This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 at 01:45:17

Artist: MYTH & ROID
Title: STYX HELIX
Source: Re:ゼロから始める異世界生活
Tags: re:zero ending kara hajimeru isekai seikatsu emilia-tan nardoxyribonucleic
BPM: 123
Filesize: 17089kb
Play Time: 04:40
Difficulties Available:

1. Futsuu (1,94 stars, 415 notes)
2. Kantan (1,18 stars, 233 notes)
3. Muzukashii (2,24 stars, 665 notes)
4. Nardo's Inner Oni (3,64 stars, 1192 notes)
5. Oni (2,9 stars, 972 notes)
6. Rebirth (3,79 stars, 1373 notes)

Download: MYTH & ROID - STYX HELIX
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Inner Oni by Nardoxyribonucleic

Explanation for OD7 in Rebirth difficulty:
Since the timing of the map is pretty straightforward and there are no awkwardly timed instrumental or vocal parts using OD7 here doesn't make the difficulty awkward to get accuracy on.
It also makes sence to use it when looking at the set as a whole, since there is a map of similar difficulty with lower OD included in the set, so using OD7 on this diff will rather broaden the ammount of players who can have a fun and challenging experience with this mapset than make it smaller, so i decided to use it here since there's not really much to speak against it. Also many parts of the map use a higher SV which makes it easier to judge the timing windows.

Hi, here is the Inner Oni as requested.

https://puu.sh/sTGp8.rar

Please add my name to tags, thanks :3

Sup

Lower hit volume and get rid of the AI mod warnings plz

On top of the inconsistencies that I've mentioned in this mod, there're some places where hits are missing when they're there in the previous difficulty.

Kantan

00:11:070 (7) - Forgetting a finisher?

00:16:924 (1,2,3) - I personally don't think it's necessary to have 1/1 here at the very quiet part. Doesn't really matter tho

00:25:705 (19) - You could move this to 00:27:656 - to make a similar 4/1 gap that you had at 00:33:509. Also possible to add a hit at 00:28:144 - to match the vocals. Same at other kiais.

00:38:387 - Considering you've mapped the beginning, I'd personally also try to map this break section too.

01:33:997 (43,44,45) - I think this would sound better if you ended the pattern with a d, similar to how you did it in the other difficulties.

02:16:924 (72) - You could possibly delete this since this is the only hit in the entire 3rd non-kiai that's not matched to the vocals.

02:53:022 (108,109) - Personally think Ctrl + G is more accurate to the pitch here, and then you could change 03:04:729 (114,115) - to d k perhaps.

02:56:924 (110,111) - You should probably make this consistent to 02:53:022 (108,109).

03:06:680 - I can't really think of anything good, but I found this section kind of bland because of the d k d k 2/1 patterns and the sole usage of k d d 1/1. If you could somehow make it more interesting, that'd be dope

04:24:241 (186) - This would sound good as a k to match to the high vocals imo.

04:30:095 (192) - Forgetting a finisher?

Futsuu

02:09:119 (176,177) - Manipulating the rhythm from 02:02:290 - should be done to balance the difficulty curve at 02:08:144 (175,176,177).

02:52:046 (251) - Perhaps create a 4/1 break here, similar to how you left a larger rest moment in the Kantan diff.

02:59:851 (261) - ^

03:06:680 (270,271,272,273) - Nothing wrong with this, but perhaps you could move 03:07:046 (271) - to create less 2/1 breaks throughout the section. I think it'd make for a better flowing section.

03:13:022 (282) - Change to k? There's a high pitched melody so it'd be possible to create some variety.

04:00:826 (354) - ^ Would match nicely to the instrumentals and the vocals imo.

04:06:192 (363,364,365,366) - Personally think it'd be better to keep consistent with 03:58:387 (349,350,351,352).

Muzukashii

00:28:631 (28) - Forgetting a finisher?

00:30:095 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37) - Changing 00:30:339 (32) - to k would keep consistent with the Futsuu and 00:22:534 (8). 00:31:314 (36,37) - Ctrl + G on these two hits would also sound awesome imo; I really liked how a k is matched at 00:31:558 - in the Kantan, Futsuu and Oni.

01:15:948 - Consider providing a 2/1 break somewhere in the middle of the kiai, similar to how you made a 4/1 gap in the Futsuu. Same in 3rd kiai.

01:46:680 (203) - Perhaps change to k like you had it in the previous two diffs.

02:51:070 - Again, consider providing a 2/1 break somewhere between here and the end of the 4th kiai.

04:14:485 (579) - This finisher is present in the Muzu-Inner Oni, but not in the first two diffs. Perhaps make it consistent?

03:37:900 - I'd probably also provide a 2/1 break somewhere in the 5th kiai to the end.

Oni

00:20:826 - Comparing the Oni to the Muzu and the Inner Oni, I found the Oni to be too similar to the Inner Oni and too difficult compared to the Muzu. Tone down the difficulty in the patterns, and create a bit more 1/1 gaps, especially in the first half of this kiai.

01:08:144 (171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178) - I personally find these two kind of awkward with the 1/1 gaps after them; the 1/4 doesn't flow at the end of a pattern unless matched precisely, like at 01:10:339 (180,181,182) imo. Possible options could include adding hits at 01:08:875 - and 01:09:851 - or getting rid of the 1/4. However, an even bigger problem might be how the frequency of 1/1 gaps sharply increases in this section in comparison to the much longer pattern at 01:04:241. Same thing at similar spots.

01:11:558 (184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199,200) - Basically the same as the Inner Oni, if not harder. Same in other kiais, since difficulty curve is also an issue here.

01:54:485 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - This is denser than the Inner Oni.

03:05:705 (271) - Could be changed to k for variety and to match to the high vocals.

04:13:022 (149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160) - This part is suddenly much less denser, and too similar to the Muzu.

04:28:631 - ^

Nardo's Inner Oni

01:01:802 - Reduce the volume? I felt like 80% volume was too loud for the whispers. Same at 02:17:900.

02:19:851 - Consider making some portions of this kiai slightly more difficult, as it's identical to the 2nd kiai.

02:57:168 (270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279) - Idk, but I found this pattern kind of weird, perhaps because of 02:57:656 (274,275,276) - which isn't really matched to the vocals while 02:53:753 (250,251,252) - 03:01:558 (297,298,299) - and 03:05:461 (321,322,323) - seem to be matched to the vocals.

Great diffs as usual

Rebirth

I realize that I've been calling the Rebirth diff the Inner Oni diff.

00:20:826 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24) - Not telling you to change it, but I liked the rhythm at

00:31:558 (64) - Similar to what I mentioned in the Muzu, it'd be cool if you could somehow get this to be a k.

00:52:412 (157) - Don't think there's a sound here, but even if there is, you should probably add hits at places such as 00:51:924 - and 00:51:192 - as the instrumentals are more audible here. I don't see a reason for placing additional 1/4 in this section without any sound that supports it.

02:02:900 (29) - Perhaps moving this to 02:02:656 - would make a more consistent 1/4 structure with a triplet at the first red tick of each measure, like you had at 02:04:485 (38,39,40) - and 02:06:436 (49,50,51).

02:17:656 (98,99) - Don't see anything bad with making this a triplet, like you did b4 the 2nd kiai.

03:08:631 (405,406,407,408,409,410) - Could be modified to be two triplets, since this is the only place where you skip the sound on a white tick at 03:09:119 - without anything significant to match to, in comparison to 03:06:924 (395,396,397,398) - matched to the melody and 03:20:826 (476,477,478,479,480,481) - matched to the vocals.

03:22:290 - Perhaps make this part more vocal-oriented? I found it kinda strange how you start to match exactly to the vocals from 03:28:631.

03:53:509 - I find it hard to follow how you're deciding when to make a part 1/4 and when to create a 1/2 gap in this ending section :/ I can't really suggest anything because you probably have reasoning behind everything you've placed, but it'd be dope if you could make the patterns a bit more organized and rhythms more consistent.

That's all

newyams99 wrote:

Sup

Lower hit volume and get rid of the AI mod warnings plz lowered volume to 90% in my diffs, there are no serious ai mod warnings lol

On top of the inconsistencies that I've mentioned in this mod, there're some places where hits are missing when they're there in the previous difficulty.

Kantan

00:11:070 (7) - Forgetting a finisher? added

00:16:924 (1,2,3) - I personally don't think it's necessary to have 1/1 here at the very quiet part. Doesn't really matter tho works buildup wise so i think it's ok

00:25:705 (19) - You could move this to 00:27:656 - to make a similar 4/1 gap that you had at 00:33:509. Also possible to add a hit at 00:28:144 - to match the vocals. Same at other kiais. i have the 4/1 breaks here where there isn't too much going on in the music

00:38:387 - Considering you've mapped the beginning, I'd personally also try to map this break section too. the break works better buildup and spread wise though imo

01:33:997 (43,44,45) - I think this would sound better if you ended the pattern with a d, similar to how you did it in the other difficulties. changed to d k d

02:16:924 (72) - You could possibly delete this since this is the only hit in the entire 3rd non-kiai that's not matched to the vocals. keeping it here for buildup purposes and since the vocal before is still pretty strong here

02:53:022 (108,109) - Personally think Ctrl + G is more accurate to the pitch here, and then you could change 03:04:729 (114,115) - to d k perhaps. it can also be interpreted as d k here imo and it fits the pace of the song more imo

02:56:924 (110,111) - You should probably make this consistent to 02:53:022 (108,109). variating between ox and oo here, also the second hit is noticably deeper than the last pattern

03:06:680 - I can't really think of anything good, but I found this section kind of bland because of the d k d k 2/1 patterns and the sole usage of k d d 1/1. If you could somehow make it more interesting, that'd be dope changed a bit

04:24:241 (186) - This would sound good as a k to match to the high vocals imo. changed

04:30:095 (192) - Forgetting a finisher? added

Futsuu

02:09:119 (176,177) - Manipulating the rhythm from 02:02:290 - should be done to balance the difficulty curve at 02:08:144 (175,176,177). moved 02:06:680 - to 02:08:631 - as d

02:52:046 (251) - Perhaps create a 4/1 break here, similar to how you left a larger rest moment in the Kantan diff. yes

02:59:851 (261) - ^ yes

03:06:680 (270,271,272,273) - Nothing wrong with this, but perhaps you could move 03:07:046 (271) - to create less 2/1 breaks throughout the section. I think it'd make for a better flowing section. i prefer the way it is now tbh

03:13:022 (282) - Change to k? There's a high pitched melody so it'd be possible to create some variety. yes

04:00:826 (354) - ^ Would match nicely to the instrumentals and the vocals imo. yes

04:06:192 (363,364,365,366) - Personally think it'd be better to keep consistent with 03:58:387 (349,350,351,352). vocal intonations are more declining here so i decided to go for the declining triplet in this one

Muzukashii

00:28:631 (28) - Forgetting a finisher? yes

00:30:095 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37) - Changing 00:30:339 (32) - to k would keep consistent with the Futsuu and 00:22:534 (8). 00:31:314 (36,37) - Ctrl + G on these two hits would also sound awesome imo; I really liked how a k is matched at 00:31:558 - in the Kantan, Futsuu and Oni. yes

01:15:948 - Consider providing a 2/1 break somewhere in the middle of the kiai, similar to how you made a 4/1 gap in the Futsuu. Same in 3rd kiai. yes

01:46:680 (203) - Perhaps change to k like you had it in the previous two diffs. yes

02:51:070 - Again, consider providing a 2/1 break somewhere between here and the end of the 4th kiai. yes

04:14:485 (579) - This finisher is present in the Muzu-Inner Oni, but not in the first two diffs. Perhaps make it consistent? yes

03:37:900 - I'd probably also provide a 2/1 break somewhere in the 5th kiai to the end. added one after the last kiai, end part is okay since there are many 1/1 rythms inbetween too

Oni

00:20:826 - Comparing the Oni to the Muzu and the Inner Oni, I found the Oni to be too similar to the Inner Oni and too difficult compared to the Muzu. Tone down the difficulty in the patterns, and create a bit more 1/1 gaps, especially in the first half of this kiai. added a 1/1 break on 00:24:729 - , this should suffice since the inner's 1/2 pattern is much longer and it'S using a lot more 5plets too

01:08:144 (171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178) - I personally find these two kind of awkward with the 1/1 gaps after them; the 1/4 doesn't flow at the end of a pattern unless matched precisely, like at 01:10:339 (180,181,182) imo. Possible options could include adding hits at 01:08:875 - and 01:09:851 - or getting rid of the 1/4. However, an even bigger problem might be how the frequency of 1/1 gaps sharply increases in this section in comparison to the much longer pattern at 01:04:241. Same thing at similar spots. the 1/1 breaks emphasize the gasping sounds at 01:08:144 - etc, but i added a note at 01:09:851 - since it fitted here

01:11:558 (184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199,200) - Basically the same as the Inner Oni, if not harder. Same in other kiais, since difficulty curve is also an issue here. changed it a bit to make it easier

01:54:485 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - This is denser than the Inner Oni. it's denser, but the rythm here is more straightforward and easier to hit, the corresponding part in the inner oni is still harder imo and both parts fit the context of their respective difficulty well

03:05:705 (271) - Could be changed to k for variety and to match to the high vocals. yes

04:13:022 (149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160) - This part is suddenly much less denser, and too similar to the Muzu. added hits at 04:13:875 - and 04:15:217 - but other than that i think this is fine as it emphasizes the music pretty well

04:28:631 - ^ ^

Nardo's Inner Oni

01:01:802 - Reduce the volume? I felt like 80% volume was too loud for the whispers. Same at 02:17:900.

02:19:851 - Consider making some portions of this kiai slightly more difficult, as it's identical to the 2nd kiai.

02:57:168 (270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279) - Idk, but I found this pattern kind of weird, perhaps because of 02:57:656 (274,275,276) - which isn't really matched to the vocals while 02:53:753 (250,251,252) - 03:01:558 (297,298,299) - and 03:05:461 (321,322,323) - seem to be matched to the vocals.

Great diffs as usual

Rebirth

I realize that I've been calling the Rebirth diff the Inner Oni diff.

00:20:826 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24) - Not telling you to change it, but I liked the rhythm at at where? but i still like this rhythm here so i'm keeping it

00:31:558 (64) - Similar to what I mentioned in the Muzu, it'd be cool if you could somehow get this to be a k. gotcha

00:52:412 (157) - Don't think there's a sound here, but even if there is, you should probably add hits at places such as 00:51:924 - and 00:51:192 - as the instrumentals are more audible here. I don't see a reason for placing additional 1/4 in this section without any sound that supports it. ,pved tp 00:52:168 -

02:02:900 (29) - Perhaps moving this to 02:02:656 - would make a more consistent 1/4 structure with a triplet at the first red tick of each measure, like you had at 02:04:485 (38,39,40) - and 02:06:436 (49,50,51). i like the way the current part flows more and it makes it less monotonous imo

02:17:656 (98,99) - Don't see anything bad with making this a triplet, like you did b4 the 2nd kiai. yes

03:08:631 (405,406,407,408,409,410) - Could be modified to be two triplets, since this is the only place where you skip the sound on a white tick at 03:09:119 - without anything significant to match to, in comparison to 03:06:924 (395,396,397,398) - matched to the melody and 03:20:826 (476,477,478,479,480,481) - matched to the vocals. made it kdddk d instead

03:22:290 - Perhaps make this part more vocal-oriented? I found it kinda strange how you start to match exactly to the vocals from 03:28:631. this part is following the vocals, although it is only following the strong hits for buildup purposes while switching to following them all at the part you just pointed out

03:53:509 - I find it hard to follow how you're deciding when to make a part 1/4 and when to create a 1/2 gap in this ending section :/ I can't really suggest anything because you probably have reasoning behind everything you've placed, but it'd be dope if you could make the patterns a bit more organized and rhythms more consistent. the vocals and intensity of the song is changing a lot in this part so a lot of different placing concepts were applied but i looked through it and made them a bit tidier in the respective sections

That's all

thx man!

newyams99 wrote:

Sup

Lower hit volume and get rid of the AI mod warnings plz

On top of the inconsistencies that I've mentioned in this mod, there're some places where hits are missing when they're there in the previous difficulty.

Nardo's Inner Oni

01:01:802 - Reduce the volume? I felt like 80% volume was too loud for the whispers. Same at 02:17:900. fixed

02:19:851 - Consider making some portions of this kiai slightly more difficult, as it's identical to the 2nd kiai. Done by adding some 1/4 patterns.

02:57:168 (270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279) - Idk, but I found this pattern kind of weird, perhaps because of 02:57:656 (274,275,276) - which isn't really matched to the vocals while 02:53:753 (250,251,252) - 03:01:558 (297,298,299) - and 03:05:461 (321,322,323) - seem to be matched to the vocals. changed 02:57:778 (661) - to k.

Great diffs as usual I'm glad to hear that :3

That's all

Thanks for your mod~

Update: https://puu.sh/t3DFq.rar

updated 👌

Nerfed some patterns in the Rebirth diff, variety was made more organized, and the set overall is looking pretty good.

Bubbled!

[General]

1. Change Oni's background because you said so.
2. Do you have any idea how big the filesize will be thanks to your giant PNG backgrounds wtf I'm TILTED.

[Rebirth]

1. OD 7? I'm beyond sure someone's complained about that already, but add me to that list. That sounds like a nightmare for this BPM.
2. 03:13:022 (434) - k? Varies the pattern from the previous ddkdd while sounding like a nice fill instead of a generic beat.

There isn't much worth caring about otherwise.

OzzyOzrock wrote:

[General]

1. Change Oni's background because you said so. fixed
2. Do you have any idea how big the filesize will be thanks to your giant PNG backgrounds wtf I'm TILTED. people gotta enjoy the full Re:Zero experience.... lowered the resolution on the BG for Nardo's diff since it was higher than the other ones though

[Rebirth]

1. OD 7? I'm beyond sure someone's complained about that already, but add me to that list. That sounds like a nightmare for this BPM. already wrote a pretty long explanation for it in the description. Offset of the song is pretty good so it's not overly awkward to acc and since the set provides a map of similar difficulty with lower OD raising the OD up to 7 here makes a nice linear spread and rather widens the ammount of players who can have a fun and challenging experience with the set rather than restricting it.
2. 03:13:022 (434) - k? Varies the pattern from the previous ddkdd while sounding like a nice fill instead of a generic beat. changed 03:13:265 - to d also since the double k that would have ensued felt a bit too intense here

There isn't much worth caring about otherwise.

thx mate

After that wait for an update and then the wait for me...

Qualified!

& haha re:zero joke

Gratzz!

lol bub and rank in page 1

yes this is late, but this bothers me

[Rebirth]

I do not believe this difficulty suits the song. The song, to me at least, feels not as powerful and fast-paced as this difficulty. Several spots give me this impression:

02:31:558 (179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191) - This up-beat kat rhythm for example. The song has a very... static rhythm. (Yes it's hi-hat I realized that after. Still it feels more upbeat to me than it should.)

03:37:900 - The whole last kiai also seems way too much over the top. 1/4 7-plets and the "long" stream at the end feel completely out of place with a song that, as mentioned above, is incredibly static to me. I also don't buy the "climax" argument, as the song simply has no climax. It's as not intense as other kiais/choruses.


Additional things:

Across the map there are random kat-rhythm changes, like when comparing 00:22:778 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46) - to 00:30:583 (59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90) - (note: The first one is very inconsistent when compared to the rest of the map).

Additionally, mapping 00:20:095 (1,2,3) - on 123 BPM OD7 seems like a very poor choice to me considering how off the vocals are (roughly 60 ms difference for the first note)


this might be a little late but at least I posted and overcame my laziness.

Nwolf wrote:

yes this is late, but this bothers me

[Rebirth]

I do not believe this difficulty suits the song. The song, to me at least, feels not as powerful and fast-paced as this difficulty. this is your opinion, i feel like what i mapped compliments the song and it does not feel overdone at all to me Several spots give me this impression:

02:31:558 (179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191) - This up-beat kat rhythm for example. The song has a very... static rhythm. (Yes it's hi-hat I realized that after. Still it feels more upbeat to me than it should.) the song is still following a steady pace and rythm here, which the pretty standard patterns (i.e kdddk kkddk etc. used here are keeping up. then the slightly different pattern 02:33:509 (192,193,194,195,196) - is used to emphasize the strong vocal outside of that)

03:37:900 - The whole last kiai also seems way too much over the top. 1/4 7-plets and the "long" stream at the end feel completely out of place with a song that, as mentioned above, is incredibly static to me. I also don't buy the "climax" argument, as the song simply has no climax. It's as not intense as other kiais/choruses. this is also your opinion on the matter. I gave you several reasons for this before. The patterns here are built up for throughout the entire difficulty and do not feel overdone for me also the stream at 03:51:558 - is basically the point where the song transitions into the end part where things get less intense and can be called a climax imo. The density gradually increases throughout the map and as it is here it's befitting of the last kiai. No emphasis on the notes itsself goes lost through this either imo. Your statement on the song feeling very calm is basically caused by how slow it is, the patterns still play pretty slowly due to the bpm of the song and don't really feel overly intense therefore either.


Additional things:

Across the map there are random kat-rhythm changes, like when comparing 00:22:778 (15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46) - to 00:30:583 (59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90) - (note: The first one is very inconsistent when compared to the rest of the map). for the second one the vocals have a very different intonation, which i'm emphasizing here. the vocal on 00:30:095 - is higher for example, which is why i chose ddkdk for this pattern, 00:31:070 - the ddk puts more emphasis on the very strong vocal at the end of this pattern too and 00:31:558 - actually starts on a very high pitched vocal when compared ot the last repetition and starting from 00:32:534 - it's going into an entirely different rythm than 00:24:729 - anyway.

Additionally, mapping 00:20:095 (1,2,3) - on 123 BPM OD7 seems like a very poor choice to me considering how off the vocals are (roughly 60 ms difference for the first note) these notes still create neccesary momentum into the start of the kiai in my opinion and aren't too hard to get accuracy on either


this might be a little late but at least I posted and overcame my laziness.

I've talked to you before about your concerns for this map, but i feel they are highly subjective. I can understand you wanting to at least ask again, but next time please don't give me a heart attack lmao.