1. 00:21:792 (1,2,3,4,5) - Incorrect timing here. 1, 2 and 3 should be 1/3, then 4 should be 1/6. Kind of like thisss:
   
2. 00:26:981 (1,2) - More timing issues. Whats below sounds more correct. Additionally, the 1 may just need to move forward 1/6th.
   
3. 00:29:576 (1,2) - ^ (I think its just the 1 here though. A lot of the timing here just sounds really off tbh. The offset may be off.)
4. 00:32:170 (4) - ^
5. 00:36:062 (2,3) - ^
6. 00:37:359 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
7. 00:39:954 (7) - ^
8. 00:42:549 (3,4,5,6,1) - Difference in DS here compared to 00:43:035 (2,3,4,5,6) - here for no observable reason. Make them the same?
9. 00:45:143 (2) - So this one is finnicky. The cymbal that the 1st repeat is "playing" sounds to me like its on the blue tick rather than the purple 1/6th tick. More or less, I think it'd be better to do a 1/4th then 1/6th here rather than what you have now, as what you have now sounds incorrect to me when playing it on 25% a bajillion times over and over. (Btw, I'm fairly confident its 1/4th because theres a constant 1/4th beat in the background)
10. So, as far as I'm aware, Four Dimensions is about mapping like, everything, right? If so you need a kick slider in the following locations:
    00:47:089 (4) - 00:47:414 (2) - 00:47:738 (2) - 00:48:062 (2) - 00:48:387 (2) - because they all have strong, noticeable piano beats.
    In general, that section is a bit iffy because 00:46:927 (2,3,4,1) - should technically be 5 notes which means your first NC should technically be 00:47:414 (2) - there which would screw up your entire pattern. What I suggested was a work around (the kicksliders) but overall this section would be best remapped IMO.
11. 00:55:522 (2) - ^
12. 00:56:495 (3) - There should be one more repeat here
13. 00:57:468 (1) - through 00:58:765 (1) - you fall to the same issues as before, but this time with completely different NC patterns. I think you should fix the consistency between these two sections and map those other piano notes.
14. Everything after the spinner is halp:
    
    1. 01:05:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Incorrect rhythm, should be:
       
       or something along those lines. Its 100% incorrectly mapped at the moment.
    2. 01:07:522 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
    3. 01:08:819 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why did you get it right here but not up there...?
    4. 01:10:603 (3,4,5) - 3 should be 3/4 slider, 4 and 5 should be kicksliders.
    5. 01:11:414 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Starting to lose faith ;=; ^
    6. 01:12:711 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ the only difference on this one is 5 should be 3/4 again and there should be a note on the beginning of the next measure. This is musically accurate and also helps accentuate the strong beat.
    7. 01:14:251 - and 01:14:332 - there should be beats in both of these locations.
    8. 01:14:657 (2) - This should be another 3/4 into strong circle or something.

21:14 CrypticMech: modding FD
21:14 Spaghetti: o gawd
21:15 CrypticMech: Sorry
21:15 CrypticMech: its gonna be lengthy
21:15 Spaghetti: lmao
21:15 Spaghetti: rip me
21:15 CrypticMech: rip
21:15 CrypticMech: Its a good song
21:15 CrypticMech: it deserved a good mod
21:15 CrypticMech: I was gonna mod all the sets but then I was like
21:15 CrypticMech: "Thats too much effort"
21:15 Spaghetti: tru
21:15 Spaghetti: im just
21:15 Spaghetti: so
21:15 Spaghetti: l a  a a  z yt
21:16 CrypticMech: WELP
21:16 CrypticMech: so far I have like
21:16 CrypticMech: 8 bullet points on timing alone
21:16 CrypticMech: :p
21:17 Spaghetti: [ahh]
21:17 Spaghetti: thats atsuro lol
21:18 CrypticMech: hmmm?
21:18 CrypticMech: wait wa
21:27 Spaghetti: ?
21:27 Spaghetti: atsuro timed the map
21:27 Spaghetti: not me
21:27 Spaghetti: its his set
21:27 CrypticMech: Wait
21:27 CrypticMech: not
21:27 CrypticMech: timing
21:27 Spaghetti: lol
21:27 CrypticMech: rhythm
21:27 CrypticMech: Rhythm is donezo boi
21:29 CrypticMech: so
21:29 Spaghetti: wh
21:29 CrypticMech: I'm going to post a mod of the first 1:15
21:29 CrypticMech: and we can do the rest IRC some other time
21:29 CrypticMech: or
21:29 Spaghetti: why
21:29 Spaghetti: o
21:29 CrypticMech: because its a lot already
21:29 Spaghetti: make it irc for another day
21:29 CrypticMech: okay
21:29 CrypticMech: Well I'll post the first bit now
21:29 CrypticMech: and we can IRC some other time
21:30 Spaghetti: nopls
21:30 Spaghetti: i dont want
21:30 Spaghetti: double post
21:30 Spaghetti: just make it full irc lol
21:30 Spaghetti: when you have the time
21:30 CrypticMech: err
21:30 Spaghetti: i dont want to send an update to atsuro
21:30 Spaghetti: twice
21:30 Spaghetti: i send him enough already lol
21:30 Spaghetti: pls im begging u
21:31 CrypticMech: Well like, what I'd like to do is post it on the thread and then after I finish my HW tonight, we can do the rest IRC and I can just edit that post.
21:31 CrypticMech: and attach the IRC
21:31 Spaghetti: aaa
21:31 CrypticMech: Is that cool w/ you?
21:31 Spaghetti: i dont want to check twice
21:31 Spaghetti: save the point
21:31 Spaghetti: s
21:31 Spaghetti: send them in pm
21:31 Spaghetti: and after i reply here continue with the rest of the irc
21:31 CrypticMech: okay.
21:32 CrypticMech: sent you the thread
21:32 CrypticMech: privately
21:32 Spaghetti: mk
21:33 CrypticMech: You can ask me whatever while I'm doing HW
21:33 CrypticMech: I just need to get this done first
21:34 Spaghetti: is it fine if i dont reply to the mod and just apply what i think i should
21:34 Spaghetti: or nah
21:34 CrypticMech: Well, everthing I've pointed out is timing only
21:34 CrypticMech: so
21:34 CrypticMech: Most of it is need-to-apply
21:34 Spaghetti: ill determine that :^)
21:34 CrypticMech: Well
21:34 CrypticMech: the entire intro is 1/3rd 1/6th so
21:34 CrypticMech: :p
21:34 Spaghetti: this song is very inconsistant with timing
21:34 Spaghetti: so idk
21:35 CrypticMech: Nah, its pretty consistently switching between 1/4th, 1/3rd, 1/6th
21:36 Spaghetti: first point is wronhg
21:36 Spaghetti: already
21:36 Spaghetti: lol
21:36 CrypticMech: wat?
21:36 Spaghetti: there's 5 beats in the bar
21:36 Spaghetti: its just timed wrong
21:36 CrypticMech: yeah
21:36 Spaghetti: on atsuro's part
21:36 CrypticMech: I have the 5 beats there
21:36 Spaghetti: its not 1/3 to 1/8 tho lol
21:36 Spaghetti: that'd be impossible to hit
21:36 CrypticMech: Its 1/3rd to 1/6th
21:36 Spaghetti: nothanks
21:36 Spaghetti: 1/3 to 1/6 ok
21:36 Spaghetti: still no
21:37 CrypticMech: But thats the correct timing... :c
21:37 Spaghetti: nope
21:37 Spaghetti: its a violin
21:37 Spaghetti: with a drifing bpm
21:37 Spaghetti: you cant time an instrument like that so perfectly
21:37 CrypticMech: I'm aware of that, I'm a musician...
21:37 Spaghetti: and you can tell by listening to the song that the violin isnt perfectly timed
21:38 Spaghetti: think about it like this
21:38 Spaghetti: would a player play the intended 1/4 but a bit drifted
21:38 Spaghetti: or go from 1/3 to 1/6 in the span of a 1/4 of a bar
21:38 CrypticMech: Well, as a pianist, both are things I do
21:38 CrypticMech: The 1/3rd to 1/6th would be an accent note
21:38 Spaghetti: especially when it's the first stream of the song with little to no rhythmic context
21:38 CrypticMech: which is actually incredibly common
21:39 Spaghetti: but this isnt playing the piano lol
21:39 Spaghetti: you're reacting to something
21:39 CrypticMech: It applies in most music...
21:39 Spaghetti: and trying to get a perfect hit
21:39 CrypticMech: Meh
21:39 CrypticMech: Its still sounds more accurate my way IMO
21:39 CrypticMech: if you listen to it
21:39 Spaghetti: sounds accurate
21:39 Spaghetti: but plays like shit
21:39 Spaghetti: and isnt what the music intended
21:40 CrypticMech: Eh, not entirely sure. It makes sense rhythmically to me to have it either way
21:40 CrypticMech: I mean, the music could have fully intended that tbh
21:41 Spaghetti: second part sounds accurate
21:41 Spaghetti: plus
21:41 Spaghetti: the second beat isnt tapped
21:41 Spaghetti: so it works
21:42 CrypticMech: so
21:42 CrypticMech: I'm looking at a ranked Akasha
21:42 CrypticMech: and
21:42 CrypticMech: http://puu.sh/ni1sj/3a68919bf7.png
21:42 CrypticMech: If anything, make it 1/3rd notes then a 1/6th kick slider to make it easier to play
21:42 Spaghetti: mania=/=standard
21:42 Spaghetti: they cope with fucky rhythm easier
21:43 CrypticMech: Yeah, but I mean, should you not map the correct rhythm on a hardest difficulty?
21:43 Spaghetti: i rather map the music the way its intended with 5 beats or time it perfectly
21:43 CrypticMech: I mean, maybe its just my weird opinion but yeah
21:43 Spaghetti: sorry but no dood deal w/ it
21:43 CrypticMech: whatevs
21:43 Spaghetti: the rhythm i mapped is correct, song is drifted
21:43 Spaghetti: give me exact timings and ill consider it :^)
21:44 Spaghetti: now that i listen to the second and 3rd point more
21:44 Spaghetti: it sounds like a swing
21:44 Spaghetti: when the music doesnt produce that
21:44 CrypticMech: It is..
21:44 Spaghetti: so no change either lol
21:45 Spaghetti: 4th point i dont even hear it LOL
21:45 CrypticMech: ok
21:46 Spaghetti: remember this game is play by ear
21:46 Spaghetti: people dont have sheet music
21:46 Spaghetti: so i have to go with what sounds rhythmically accurate on a sightread
21:47 CrypticMech: btw
21:47 CrypticMech: Try moving the first 4 notes forward a 1/16th
21:47 CrypticMech: and tell me what you think
21:47 Spaghetti: PLS
21:47 Spaghetti: that's so edgy
21:47 CrypticMech: not edgy enough tbh
21:47 Spaghetti: bn's would kill me
21:47 Spaghetti: nothankslmao
21:47 Spaghetti: save this mod for boogie Xd
21:47 CrypticMech: w0o0w
21:49 CrypticMech: well
21:49 CrypticMech: everything past the intro should be correct tho
21:49 CrypticMech: because thats piano and so you theres less lead on it
21:52 Spaghetti: and the piano is timed correctly in the song
21:52 Spaghetti: Xddd
21:52 CrypticMech: huh?
21:52 Spaghetti: like
21:52 CrypticMech: Where are you referring to?
21:52 Spaghetti: everything past the intro is correct
21:52 Spaghetti: cuz the music is properly timed
21:53 Spaghetti: and for the first point on this
21:53 Spaghetti: 00:42:549 (3,4,5,6,1) -
21:53 Spaghetti: i was like "holy shit they look exactly the same why is the DS different"
21:53 CrypticMech: Its a SV change that causes the DS change
21:53 Spaghetti: and it was cuz i didnt put the 1x SV on the pickup notes
21:53 Spaghetti: yeagh
21:53 CrypticMech: yepyep
21:53 CrypticMech: most of the points past that are correct tho
21:54 CrypticMech: because its less iffy
21:54 Spaghetti: the finish on 00:45:143 (2) - is on the first beat
21:54 Spaghetti: .-.
21:54 CrypticMech: huh?
21:54 CrypticMech: nah, I'm saying the 1st repeat isn't there
21:55 CrypticMech: fuck
21:55 CrypticMech: wait
21:55 CrypticMech: I hear it now
21:55 Spaghetti: cymbal covers it but its there
21:55 Spaghetti: LOL
21:55 CrypticMech: fuck me
21:55 Spaghetti: lmao
21:55 CrypticMech: I thought it was on the 1/4th
21:55 CrypticMech: I checked that shit like
21:55 CrypticMech: 5 times
21:55 CrypticMech: my ears plz
21:55 CrypticMech: actually wait
21:55 CrypticMech: no
21:56 CrypticMech: I was right, theres a constant 1/4th beat in the background, and there should only be the first and the last 2 notes. The 2nd one doesn't exist
21:56 Spaghetti: its on the white tick
21:56 Spaghetti: lol
21:56 CrypticMech: 00:45:143 (2) - on this
21:56 Spaghetti: im mapping the 1/6 tho
21:56 Spaghetti: the piano
21:56 CrypticMech: the 2nd repeat isn't there
21:56 Spaghetti: ye it is
21:56 Spaghetti: pianoooo
21:56 CrypticMech: is there a really quiet piano tick I can't hear?
21:56 Spaghetti: yep
21:56 CrypticMech: All I hear is doo dodo
21:56 CrypticMech: okay
21:56 Spaghetti: you can hear it on 100%
21:56 CrypticMech: oh
21:56 CrypticMech: fuck
21:56 CrypticMech: gross, okay
21:57 Spaghetti: again this song has retardedly weird rhythm
21:57 Spaghetti: so ya gotta cope
21:57 Spaghetti: "So, as far as I'm aware, Four Dimensions is about mapping like, everything, right?"
21:57 Spaghetti: where'd u get that lol
21:57 Spaghetti: this aint no standard dump chart nigga
21:58 Spaghetti: 4D is an xi map that is interpretted and mapped as hard as one can whilst staying playable and rational
21:58 Spaghetti: like most (if not all) top diff maps with a cool name
21:58 Spaghetti: compare mine to Jemmmmy's
21:58 CrypticMech: ah
21:59 Spaghetti: you cant get much harder than i did without overmapping
21:59 Spaghetti: which i kinda did
21:59 Spaghetti: LOl
21:59 CrypticMech: eh
21:59 CrypticMech: The rhythm isn't really that weird but okay
22:00 Spaghetti: next p o i nt
22:00 Spaghetti: er
22:00 Spaghetti: same point iguess
22:00 Spaghetti: removed the triplets cuz they dont rlly make sense
22:00 CrypticMech: Yeah.
22:00 Spaghetti: id k what i was thinking lol
22:01 Spaghetti: and uh the jumps grow so
22:01 Spaghetti: isnt that enough emphasis?
22:02 CrypticMech: hmm?
22:02 CrypticMech: Either I really wrote my mod poorly or theres a disconnect :p
22:02 CrypticMech: 00:47:251 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - there are missing notes in this bit
22:02 CrypticMech: like, very noticeable
22:04 Spaghetti: well yeahg
22:04 Spaghetti: but thatd make a stream
22:04 Spaghetti: and piano is muuuuuch louder
22:04 Spaghetti: i have to choose to emphasize something and i chose piano
22:04 CrypticMech: but
22:04 CrypticMech: what I'm pointing out is piano
22:04 CrypticMech: like
22:04 CrypticMech: 900:48:062 (2,1) - there should be a piano note between those
22:04 CrypticMech: Like, I hear that on 35%
22:05 Spaghetti: but
22:05 Spaghetti: listen to how
22:05 Spaghetti: quiet that is
22:05 Spaghetti: LOL
22:05 Spaghetti: hell i can map this whole thing like ice angel if i wanted to hit every beat present
22:05 Spaghetti: but
22:05 Spaghetti: thats not how i interpret the music
22:05 Spaghetti: its very noticable on 25%
22:05 Spaghetti: but always think, "can I hear it without trying on 100%?"
22:06 Spaghetti: trust me id love to hit all these beats and make a 7 star map
22:06 Spaghetti: but that would be overmapping at that point lol
22:06 Spaghetti: thats why those kind of mania maps are called "dump charts"
22:06 Spaghetti: oh and everytime i uh
22:06 CrypticMech: Eh, the way I see it is if you map an instrument you follow the entirety of that instrument
22:06 Spaghetti: have a thing with one less repeat
22:07 Spaghetti: thats on purpose
22:07 CrypticMech: So if theres piano there, then I would personally map the piano
22:07 Spaghetti: i have to omit it or it'd be unplayable
22:07 CrypticMech: Thats fair enough
22:07 Spaghetti: but its like
22:07 CrypticMech: The only way it wouldn't is if you stacked it
22:07 Spaghetti: 100% volume
22:07 CrypticMech: and that'd require reworking
22:07 Spaghetti: vs 5% volume
22:07 CrypticMech: I hear it on 35% volume
22:07 CrypticMech: tho
22:08 Spaghetti: i mean like
22:08 Spaghetti: the note before is like super loud
22:08 Spaghetti: 100% volume
22:08 Spaghetti: and the note right after is super quiet
22:08 Spaghetti: its a reverb LOL
22:08 CrypticMech: But you mapped an almost unhearable note wiht the 1/6th sliders fam, it just seems inconsistent to me, thats all
22:08 Spaghetti: 5% volume
22:08 CrypticMech: Sorry to be a nazi about it ;=;
22:08 Spaghetti: it doenst deserve to be emphasized the same way as the other one
22:08 Spaghetti: what unhearable note?
22:09 Spaghetti: send
22:10 CrypticMech: the 1/6th repeat we were talking about earlier
22:10 CrypticMech: uh
22:10 CrypticMech: 00:45:143 (2) - this one
22:10 Spaghetti: but thats cuz it sounds identical to this one 00:44:819 (1) - at 100% volume
22:10 Spaghetti: itd be inconsistent not to hit it
22:11 CrypticMech: I get that, but I'm just saying that if you're mappin ga 5% sound there why not in the other places if its the same instrument?
22:11 CrypticMech: I mean, I guess in general its just a different mapping philosophy
22:12 Spaghetti: trust me
22:12 Spaghetti: if you create a standard dump chart
22:12 Spaghetti: youll never rank anything ever
22:13 Spaghetti: its just not possible
22:13 Spaghetti: nobody can do it
22:13 Spaghetti: in mania maybe idk
22:13 Spaghetti: bn's will murder you
22:13 Spaghetti: qat's will murder you
22:14 CrypticMech: fair enough I spose
22:17 CrypticMech: so I'm assuming I don't need to finish the IRC then...?
22:21 Spaghetti: yee do it
22:21 Spaghetti: there's some rhythm things i mightve fucked up
22:21 Spaghetti: on
22:21 CrypticMech: okay, lemme finish this stuff first
22:21 Spaghetti: lol
22:21 CrypticMech: Well
22:21 Spaghetti: ya :D
22:21 CrypticMech: I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not
22:21 Spaghetti: i just redid all my NC patterns btw lol
22:21 Spaghetti: why would it be
22:22 CrypticMech: I didn't know if you were making a snide remark at all the timing things I'd pointed out so far
22:23 CrypticMech: thats all
22:23 CrypticMech: I didn't think you were mea or anything
22:23 CrypticMech: but
22:23 CrypticMech: idk
22:23 CrypticMech: I'm a bit disheartened
22:23 CrypticMech: lemme finish this up a sec and then I'll finish w/ you
22:23 Spaghetti: then dont do it, u just gotta get that im not gonna agree with everything u say
22:23 Spaghetti: oh and btw im not gonna redo this rhythm 01:06:224 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - LOL
22:24 Spaghetti: there's many wyas you can go at it i chose this one, no way im remapping the entire map
22:24 CrypticMech: Nah I get it, I'll focus more on structure of note placement and if theres any really jarring rhythmic stuff I'll point it out
22:25 CrypticMech: But let me finish phys quickly, I have like 3 more problems
22:25 Spaghetti: ye
22:25 Spaghetti: sorry for being strict with this Xd
22:25 CrypticMech: Nah, its just I think I approach maps a bit differently, its no problem :p
22:25 CrypticMech: but your method clearly works
22:25 CrypticMech: with yer ranked maps and all
22:27 CrypticMech: well fuck
22:27 CrypticMech: I accidentally closed my HW
22:27 CrypticMech: lets hope it saved my shit
22:27 CrypticMech: IT DID
22:29 Spaghetti: lol
22:29 Spaghetti: saved
22:30 CrypticMech: yepyep
22:40 CrypticMech: Okay
22:40 CrypticMech: lets do an aesthetic gameplay rundown then
22:40 CrypticMech: 00:44:738 (8,1) - these two kind of form an ugly angle with each other, just rotate 1 a bit to the left in my opinion to make it look a bit more aesthetically please
22:41 CrypticMech: If you wanted to, you could also 00:45:143 (2) - center that in your stream that led to those 1/6th sliders for some more structure. That doesn't particularly matter though - just a suggestions.
22:42 Spaghetti: b-but
22:42 Spaghetti: the angle is perfect ;w;
22:42 Spaghetti: ctrl+h'd
22:42 CrypticMech: wa?
22:42 Spaghetti: but stacked 00:45:468 (3) - on the stream Xd
22:42 CrypticMech: okay okay, err
22:42 Spaghetti: actually nvm that stack it ruins spacing
22:43 CrypticMech: I was saying that this 00:44:494 (5,6,7,8,1) - has an ugly flow to it, because your stream is a beautiful arc that runs into a really rigid slider angle
22:43 CrypticMech: Also, 00:45:468 (3) - isn't blanketed either, if it was meant to be.
22:44 Spaghetti: nah not rlly
22:44 Spaghetti: and there's a pause on those sliders anyways so flow doesnt really fuck up
22:44 Spaghetti: they're meant to be played snappy i guess
22:44 CrypticMech: I meant more aesthetic flow than anything
22:44 Spaghetti: hmm idk i like what i have
22:45 CrypticMech: fair enough I spose
22:45 Spaghetti: will change if someone else asks but i dont really care enough to change it xd
22:46 CrypticMech: 01:25:684 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - rhythm here is really jacked
22:46 CrypticMech: tbh
22:46 Spaghetti: following drum
22:46 CrypticMech: because theres strong beats 01:26:008 - during the drum
22:46 CrypticMech: I get that
22:46 CrypticMech: yeah
22:47 CrypticMech: its just, the drum is more faint than the synth so its a bit disorienting IMO
22:47 Spaghetti: no it isnt lol
22:47 Spaghetti: drum comes to the ear way more to me
22:47 Spaghetti: since its a new entering sound
22:48 CrypticMech: Okay
22:48 Spaghetti: depends on who you ask for this but its a new and different sound and I think it should be focused on
22:48 CrypticMech: I'm not saying you shouldn't map the drums, I'm just saying its a bit disorienting to me to not include the synths since they're really really prominent.
22:48 Spaghetti: and plus I focused on the drum for all this too 01:24:387 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
22:48 Spaghetti: how do you include the synth and doubles at the same time .-.
22:48 CrypticMech: then maybe
22:48 CrypticMech: err
22:49 CrypticMech: 01:25:603 - needs a drum note then?
22:49 CrypticMech: 01:25:197 (5) - theres also drums during this slider...?
22:49 Spaghetti: holy how did i miss that LOLK
22:49 CrypticMech: I'm just saying it seems really inconsistent I guess. Like, I can't tell what you're following in some places
22:49 CrypticMech: But I get it when you point it out
22:49 CrypticMech: I just think you're missing prominent beats here and there probably
22:50 Spaghetti: ima keep that slider tho cuz it works
22:50 CrypticMech: okay
22:50 CrypticMech: 01:33:468 (1,2,3) - are you following piano or drum here?
22:50 Spaghetti: paino
22:51 CrypticMech: 01:33:954 (3) - make this 1/4 then?
22:51 CrypticMech: I mean a kick
22:51 CrypticMech: sorry
22:51 CrypticMech: you miss  adrum beat but it fits the pinao better
22:51 Spaghetti: it is 1/4
22:51 Spaghetti: o
22:51 Spaghetti: i dun see it
22:51 CrypticMech: ?
22:52 Spaghetti: o i hear it
22:52 Spaghetti: nah i like how i have it
22:52 Spaghetti: and that creates a huge rhythm gap that id have to fill
22:52 CrypticMech: okay.
22:52 Spaghetti: using a note on the white tick
22:52 Spaghetti: that is rlly quiet
22:53 CrypticMech: 01:35:576 (3,4,5) - the 4 is placed really weird in respect to the other notes
22:53 CrypticMech: You have a fairly linear path and then you just go down
22:53 CrypticMech: Its not really expected
22:53 Spaghetti: I see
22:53 Spaghetti: ye that whole part kinda sucks
22:53 CrypticMech: Yeah :p
22:53 Spaghetti: ill remap gimme a sec
22:53 CrypticMech: Okay
22:55 Spaghetti: fixed
22:55 Spaghetti: i gotta go eat dinner brb
22:55 CrypticMech: rip
22:55 CrypticMech: ok
23:39 Spaghetti: bakku
23:40 Spaghetti: wanna continue tomorrow?
23:40 CrypticMech: its up to you
23:40 CrypticMech: I have a bit before I need to go
23:40 CrypticMech: wbakku btw
23:40 Spaghetti: im really tired ;w;
23:40 Spaghetti: tomorrow would be better i guess
23:40 CrypticMech: okay
23:40 CrypticMech: well
23:40 CrypticMech: let me mention one thing then
23:40 Spaghetti: mk
23:40 CrypticMech: 01:47:737 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - 
23:40 CrypticMech: so
23:41 CrypticMech: You're following the drums I think, but its a really weird bit, becuase it goes from like, piano, to drums, then to a run of piano
23:41 CrypticMech: and it just sounds weird
23:41 Spaghetti: ye the drum is more prominent there but i think the drums give more enetgy
23:41 Spaghetti: it just feels weird to ignore them ><M
23:41 Spaghetti: ><*
23:41 CrypticMech: Yeah
23:41 CrypticMech: Like
23:41 CrypticMech: I think a good fix to this tbh
23:41 CrypticMech: is to make the 1 a kick
23:42 CrypticMech: and then make the stream at the end like, SV 0.5 1/8th kick sliders
23:42 CrypticMech: but thats just my personal opinion
23:42 CrypticMech: Because that'd be following the drums but also capturing the louder piano there
23:42 Spaghetti: 1/8 kickslider stream would be inconsistent around the map
23:42 Spaghetti: and just plays ugly lol idk who those exsist
23:42 Spaghetti: there's veeeeery few people who can pull that off
23:43 CrypticMech: SW did it fairly well on Crystallized
23:43 Spaghetti: im not one of them
23:43 CrypticMech: if you want a reference
23:43 Spaghetti: I didnt like it, I thought it kinda played like shit imo but that's just me
23:43 Spaghetti: people who can do it right are priti
23:43 Spaghetti: and idk whoelse really he knows whats up
23:43 CrypticMech: NO
23:43 CrypticMech: THEY MADE HIM REMOVE IT
23:44 CrypticMech: THEY'RE GONE
23:44 CrypticMech: my heart is broken
23:44 CrypticMech: but yeah, up until that point I think that covers most of my issues with Akasha
23:44 Spaghetti: LOL
23:45 CrypticMech: But ye
23:45 CrypticMech: we can continue this tomorrow

18:11 CrypticMech: hihi
18:11 Spaghetti: hi~
18:11 CrypticMech: Would it be cool to do the IRC sometime after the next 3-ish hours?
18:11 CrypticMech: I'm working on a slew of HW now but if you won't be on then I can do it now
18:12 Spaghetti: sure
18:12 CrypticMech: Coolcool
18:13 CrypticMech: I'll message you when I'm done, but it'll def be sometime then
23:17 CrypticMech: Hey Pasketti, I can do FD Akasha now :>
23:22 CrypticMech: WHATS THAT RANK THO
23:22 Spaghetti: `lol
23:22 Spaghetti: its me decaying
23:22 Spaghetti: cuz i fucking suck at this game
23:22 CrypticMech: 33333 hype tho
23:23 CrypticMech: same tho boi
23:23 CrypticMech: so
23:23 CrypticMech: FD Ahsaka now?
23:23 Spaghetti: sure
23:23 CrypticMech: coolcool
23:24 CrypticMech: We did everything before here: 01:49:035 (1) - 
23:24 CrypticMech: so
23:24 CrypticMech: now for the rest
23:26 CrypticMech: `I mentioned it earlier and I'm going to mention it again, I don't like the way you have this rhythm mapped becuase strong beats (like on this slider end 01:49:359 (3) - ) aren't clickable
23:26 CrypticMech: But thats just me
23:26 Spaghetti: there's a lot of sound in the kiai
23:26 Spaghetti: and im still emphasizing the main beat
23:26 Spaghetti: so i think its fine Xd
23:26 CrypticMech: Okayokay
23:26 CrypticMech: 01:49:684 (4) - this is an unintuitive jump since its almost perpendicular to the slider's trajectory
23:26 Spaghetti: just trying a different approach since Jemmmmy
23:27 Spaghetti: 'Jemmmmy's does that and is way too popular Xd
23:27 Spaghetti: ye so?
23:27 Spaghetti: not everything needs to go in a circular motion
23:27 CrypticMech: It 'd be better with more of an obtuse angle w/ the slider
23:27 Spaghetti: why?
23:27 CrypticMech: It doesn't need to be circular, its just most of your map isn't squarish like this
23:28 Spaghetti: its a sharp angle I don't see what's wrong with it
23:28 Spaghetti: andgles like this are seen in every map lol
23:28 Spaghetti: its not even that sharp either
23:28 CrypticMech: No it isn't.
23:28 CrypticMech: It'd be fine if it was sharper tbh
23:29 Spaghetti: hmm
23:29 CrypticMech: Its >90 degrees which makes it a bit ugly aestehtically speaking and it creates a weird flow with the horizontal slider
23:29 CrypticMech: Like, if the slider was curved, it'd be fine
23:29 CrypticMech: but you have a flat straight slider than a nearly vertical straight upwards jump
23:29 CrypticMech: It just doesn't play well
23:29 Spaghetti: ima keep it cuz i rlly dont see the issuew
23:29 CrypticMech: You're making a right angle tbh
23:29 CrypticMech: And thats weird coming out of a slider like that
23:29 CrypticMech: fair 'nough
23:30 CrypticMech: 01:57:468 (4,5,6) - this is kind of another weird jump pattern
23:30 Spaghetti: ye that's really sharp
23:31 Spaghetti: will fix
23:31 CrypticMech: huge downard jump 01:57:305 (3,4) - , weird sideways jump going in the opposite momentum 01:57:468 (4,5) -  another huge sideways jump 01:57:630 (5,6) -  going into a large vertical jump 01:57:954 (6,7) - 
23:31 CrypticMech: I don't like the section at all
23:31 CrypticMech: 01:58:603 (2,3) - this is a really ugly transition and its ne of the things I hate most about the map atm
23:31 CrypticMech: Make the slider more parallel with the stream or something :<
23:32 CrypticMech: 01:59:414 (1,2,3) - tbh this is also really extreme
23:33 CrypticMech: You're jumping into the slider, its going the opposite direction and its actually a 370 BPM jump
23:33 Spaghetti: slow down brah
23:33 Spaghetti: im still on the first point
23:33 CrypticMech: sorry sorry
23:33 Spaghetti: keeping stream transition cuz i dont see why its bad
23:33 CrypticMech: its just ugly tbh
23:34 CrypticMech: its not bad to play
23:34 CrypticMech: it just looks bad
23:34 Spaghetti: and the second one flows pretty nice since it's so spaced
23:34 Spaghetti: I think it looks nice ._.
23:34 CrypticMech: But its a 370 bpm jump?
23:34 Spaghetti: played as a double
23:34 Spaghetti: first note of the triple isnt played
23:34 CrypticMech: Yeah, I get that
23:35 CrypticMech: I'm just saying that the momentum is really weird here
23:35 CrypticMech: Like, if I could draw out why i think its bad I would
23:35 CrypticMech: but I can't :c
23:35 Spaghetti: see
23:35 Spaghetti: thats the thing
23:35 CrypticMech: ?
23:35 Spaghetti: dont call stuff bad if it isnt actually objectively bad
23:36 Spaghetti: you called it bad, but you dont know why
23:36 CrypticMech: I do know why
23:36 Spaghetti: its fine personally, I can fc it everytime
23:36 CrypticMech: I just can't actually draw it out.
23:36 Spaghetti: and im 33k
23:37 CrypticMech: Basically what I'm saying is its a hard snap from 01:59:414 (1) - here to 01:59:657 (2) - and then you instantly move in the opposite direction of that snap. Typically after a snap so large a player's cursor tends to drift towards their original trajectory, meaning the player would want to go leftish after that, but you have them going right. Thats all I'm saying.
23:37 CrypticMech: Its fine normally, but I think the spsacing for that movement is too big here.
23:37 Spaghetti: i nerfed it a little cuz it looks better
23:37 Spaghetti: LOL:
23:38 CrypticMech: Okay.
23:38 CrypticMech: 02:03:792 (3,4,5) - this is a bad jump sequence because the curve on the slider implies that the jump pattern will be going up and left but instead you have it going downward
23:38 CrypticMech: It'd be awkward as fuck on sightread.
23:39 Spaghetti: ?
23:39 Spaghetti: the note after the slider very much goes the right direction
23:39 Spaghetti: 02:03:792 (3,4) - ??
23:39 CrypticMech: Yeah, but then you'd expect the 5 to still be going towards the left
23:39 CrypticMech: but in reality it goes downwards
23:40 Spaghetti: why lol
23:40 Spaghetti: you have veeeeery circular flow
23:40 Spaghetti: that isnt good
23:40 CrypticMech: 02:03:305 (1,2,3) - these have a upward momentum
23:40 Spaghetti: its just a jump
23:40 CrypticMech: 02:03:792 (3,4) - this has an upward momentum
23:40 CrypticMech: 02:04:116 (4,5) - and then th emomentum changes here a bit. It just didn't make much sesne to me at all
23:40 Spaghetti: but listen to the music
23:40 CrypticMech: I'm fine with anti-circular things
23:40 Spaghetti: that jump compliments a transition
23:40 Spaghetti: it isnt even the same part of the phrase
23:42 CrypticMech: 02:28:441 (6,1) - this slider doesn't really do a good job of indicating where the next stream would start
23:42 CrypticMech: if anything I'd point it more parallel to the 5 and put a slight downward curve in it
23:43 Spaghetti: can i just link examples from different maps
23:43 Spaghetti: cuz you're pointing out stuff thats like
23:43 Spaghetti: veeeeeery common in other maps
23:43 CrypticMech: I mean, I'm just pointing otu what I personally think should be changed for this map. I'm aware maps like this are ranked, but that doesn't mean I think every ranked map is good.
23:43 CrypticMech: 02:42:062 (4,1) - this is another really bad transition tbh
23:44 CrypticMech: it has exact opposite momentum for no apparent reason
23:44 Spaghetti: i dont mean it like that
23:44 Spaghetti: i mean it like
23:44 Spaghetti: youre asking me to change the most basic fundamental patterns
23:44 Spaghetti: that are found everywhere
23:44 Spaghetti: with no good reasoning besides that the pattern "doesnt play right"
23:44 Spaghetti: (which it does lol)
23:45 CrypticMech: I'm pretty sure I said that the slider didn't really indicate where the next stream was starting
23:45 Spaghetti: whats bad about this i dun get it
23:45 CrypticMech: Which is actually a reason IMO
23:45 Spaghetti: right
23:45 Spaghetti: left
23:45 Spaghetti: back right into the stream
23:45 CrypticMech: 02:28:441 (6,1) - here?
23:45 Spaghetti: it would work going forward but it works well my way too
23:45 Spaghetti: nolol
23:45 Spaghetti: the next thing you said
23:45 CrypticMech: yeah but the next one is a different problem entirely
23:45 Spaghetti: i know
23:46 Spaghetti: and i just addressed it
23:46 CrypticMech: Okay.
23:46 Spaghetti: http://puu.sh/njkxu/6da0af7122.jpg
23:46 CrypticMech: The issue there though is that the stream is still going opposite of the player's trajectory
23:46 CrypticMech: and its actually creating like, a really severe mini-circular motion
23:49 CrypticMech: 03:14:657 (1,2) - I mentioned something along this line earlier
23:49 CrypticMech: its a really harsh transition
23:51 CrypticMech: rip?
23:52 Spaghetti: nope
23:52 Spaghetti: was fixing it
23:52 Spaghetti: lol
23:52 CrypticMech: oh okay
23:52 Spaghetti: mk done
23:52 CrypticMech: This plays really cramped. 04:12:549 (3,4,5,6) - Its also not really visually attractive
23:53 CrypticMech: I'm not sure if you're using a specific DS in this area, but if you aren't I'd just move that out a bit and then remap the beginning of the next stream a tiny bit
23:53 Spaghetti: aaa fuck
23:53 Spaghetti: how am i gonna fix it lol
23:53 CrypticMech: err
23:53 Spaghetti: o wait i got an idea
23:53 CrypticMech: oh okay
23:53 Spaghetti: i dont want to remap the stream
23:53 Spaghetti: it plays pretty nice
23:53 CrypticMech: I was gonna suggestion something but if you gots one
23:53 CrypticMech: go for it
23:55 Spaghetti: fixed
23:55 CrypticMech: hype.exe
23:56 CrypticMech: tbh thats it
23:56 CrypticMech: Really my main issues with the map are rhythm, but you're pretty stuck to what ya got so I've pointed out all I felt was super wrong aside from rhythm
23:57 Spaghetti: mk
23:57 CrypticMech: Sorry if I wasn't of much help
23:57 Spaghetti: na u were
23:57 Spaghetti: u got me on some stuff
23:58 CrypticMech: mmk, gonna post the logs to the thread and whatnot