This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Wednesday, October 07, 2015 at 16:34:56

Artist: Stefano Mocini
Title: Heart of Darkness
Source: Jamendo
Tags: jazz electronic classical dance chillout piano history
BPM: 120
Filesize: 5041kb
Play Time: 03:27
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy - 4Key (1.35 stars, 441 notes)
2. Hard - 4Key (2.9 stars, 1420 notes)
3. Insane - 4Key (3.05 stars, 1646 notes)
4. Normal - 4Key (2.2 stars, 896 notes)

Download: Stefano Mocini - Heart of Darkness
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Sadly, I will graveyard this map.
Heart of Darkness: Delightful tune with piano triplets, now available in:

• Easy 100% -- Hitsound 40% Ready for modding. (3 mods)
  Normal 100% -- Hitsound 0% -- Ready for modding. (3 mods)
  Hard 100% -- Hitsound 0% -- Ready for modding. (2 mod)
  Insane 100% -- Hitsound 0% -- Ready for modding (3 mods)

The beatmap is designed over 6 months during which I advanced from mania #50k to #2300.

hello~ from Japan.
I'd like to say sugoi! I agree with your basic idea: beginner's trainee.

My English is not good enough, so If you can't understand, that's my fault.


Let me check some points.
Before your submission of the beatmap-set, You can do basic check by using 'Ctrl+Shift+A' keys.
You can see current problem.
Then, as for the timing, I can't determine the offset. (I'm just noooob... as you know.)
But it seems okay to play.
When you change the timing points, you have to re-snap the notes.
Open the timing setup, and you can find the check box and 'snap objects to new timing'.

Erase the ',' in your tag.

If you arrange the beatmaps, please let me know!

First of all, thank you for playing this map. You are better at English than I'm in Japanese, so no worries!

Following your suggestions, I've used Ctrl+Shirt+A to eliminate all of the snapping problems, unified and corrected the tags, disabled the letterboxes.

Most importantly, I added a Beginner difficulty just to accommodate people who have no experience at all to osu!mania. It's based off of Easy difficulty but I have removed a lot of irregular beats.

As to the timing, I would like to know if the offset is optimal. If any osu!topus level players could provide any input, that'd be great.

hayabusa0423 wrote:

hello~ from Japan.
I'd like to say sugoi! I agree with your basic idea: beginner's trainee.


Let me check some points.
Before your submission of the beatmap-set, You can do basic check by using 'Ctrl+Shift+A' keys.
You can see current problem.
Then, as for the timing, I can't determine the offset. (I'm just noooob... as you know.)
But it seems okay to play.
When you change the timing points, you have to re-snap the notes.
Open the timing setup, and you can find the check box and 'snap objects to new timing'.

Erase the ',' in your tag.

If you arrange the beatmaps, please let me know!

The Hard difficulty is now out.

There are now 6 difficulties for 4K. Moving on to the next phase of qualification :/

Modding is the way you thought about other players beatmap. such as "this Notes should be here" and "this notes should be there" and "This long notes should end here" and many else.

In order to get your map ranked, you should follow the ranking criteria. Click here


Okay this is just a simple mod for you. Will see this again if there any issues

Beginner - The use of short Long notes is over kill
Easy - Too many mini Jack notes
Normal - Jack notes and Long notes
Simplified - ^
Hard - ^
Complex - ^

Simply put, Long notes and jack notes are hard to follow for most of Mania player.
Jack notes is the situation where a note are too close with other note



How to apply mod from someone else? Open your song in the editor. and then click on the timing I post it here, to simply jump to the point.




For the other difficulties, I see you overused The Long notes, even for a small piano tune you use triple notes.
As a footnote, Only give Kudos to someone who mod your map. Don't give kudos to player who only say like "This map is good" or " I like the song".

Just PM-me if there is anything you wanna ask about mapping. I'd be happy to help.
Good Luck

Rivals_7 wrote:

Modding is the way you thought about other players beatmap. such as "this Notes should be here" and "this notes should be there" and "This long notes should end here" and many else.... In order to get your map ranked, you should follow the ranking criteria...

Wow, that's quite a lot of information!

1. Moving notes around. is a nice and simple explanation and I like it :3

2. Use of long notes being overkill. Yes. As I recollect, my beginner friends are really afraid of long notes in the beginning. For [Beginner], even though I designed it hoping that it will be progressive, you're right-- there are just too many long notes. I reduced them dramatically and kept a few. [Easy] is intact in terms of long notes, and I moved them to avoid "Jack".

3. Overuse of mini jack notes. It's something I've just come to realize, but I intend to keep some of them in the harder maps. Yes, I actually do not want the jack notes to confuse players on the easy maps. However, since even most novice players are not good at jacks, I think (yep, I think) it's good to have parts that are carefully designed: meaningful and important by the music/rhythm, appears in a dedicated section only, and their placements are easily read (though not always easily typed, because that needs practicing, and I discover that I'm a little better at jacks than before).

4. "Simply put, Long notes and jack notes are hard to follow for most of Mania player." I agree with this, but as I play through my not-well-designed beatmaps, my performance points went from less than 1000 to 1779 (though it's not that important). I design, read and playtest my maps for 30% of my playing time, and that might have helped in reading the patterns that appear in my beatmap, but I do realize that there are many ranked long note maps and jack note maps by other mappers.

5. "Jack notes is the situation where a note are too close with other note." New phrase for me :3

6. Redundant Image Files. Removed. I thought about adding a few "GOOD JOB!" effects back then but now I find that's a bad idea.

7. Occasional Hit-sounds. For [Beginner], I added the "Finish" sound effect according to the mp3 file and adjusted the volume of the notes. I'll add sound effects for other difficulties in the next update/mod.

8. Clicking on mod timings. WOW, so nice to know this!

9. Long Notes Overuse.
I'll keep this in mind and reduce unnecessary long notes in the next update/mod. I think for now, I'll retain long notes where I think is necessary, or that the music is intense.

10. That Kudos. It's given because I didn't know that I need to resnap the notes once I change the timing. I spent a few hours doing the timing offset and then discovered that all my notes are not snapped. And the tags, and a few other inconsistencies in the beatmap. I think this may justify the kudos given (and correct me if I'm wrong :3)

In all, your input so far has been very valuable!

offset 1075 -> 1072

Niks wrote:

offset 1075 -> 1072

Hmm, would you mind telling me how you got this offset? I feels pretty nice, but I keep thinking how 3 milliseconds make a difference?

By the way, I'm working on a different computer and forgot to uploaded the modded version of [Beginner] and [Easy]. I'll have that fixed in 5 hours after I get access to the other computer. Fixed.

Don't give kudos to this post. you already give me kudos before.

FrenzyLi wrote:

Niks wrote:

offset 1075 -> 1072

Hmm, would you mind telling me how you got this offset? I feels pretty nice, but I keep thinking how 3 milliseconds make a difference?

If you think the mod are not helping, don't give them kudos.

I don't know if you notice but the Timing sound it's still 100%. for example is this on "hard" diff

I highly recommend to use 30% sound in all timing. and must be applied to all difficulties.

FrenzyLi wrote:

4. "Simply put, Long notes and jack notes are hard to follow for most of Mania player." I agree with this, but as I play through my not-well-designed beatmaps, my performance points went from less than 1000 to 1779 (though it's not that important). I design, read and playtest my maps for 30% of my playing time, and that might have helped in reading the patterns that appear in my beatmap, but I do realize that there are many ranked long note maps and jack note maps by other mappers.

Yes there is many beatmaps that contain jacks and long notes on them.
For jack notes, for the Example is AiAe "Wafles's SHD" and SDVX related songs.
But jack notes must be at least make sense. Jacks is only used where the sound are same respectively.

This - 00:04:822 (4822|0,5072|0) -

If you heard closely, the piano tune is different. so the jack note here are not relevant.

I suggest you to take experience by looking to any other map that have been ranked.

If you're looking to get many mods go to modding queue.
There you can ask somebody to mod your map, but make sure the author can mod Mania map, read the rules they're given and post formats there.
Your map must be have at least 12 Star Priority to get ranked. You get 3(?) SP so far this time, so 9 SP to go.
After you get 12 SP or more, you can Ask Beatmap Nominator to bubble and rank it. This is the list of Beatmap Nominator that are focused on Osu!Mania. Ask them via PM and if they're accept it, you can get a Bubble and then it could be Ranked.
But some of the BNG are extremely busy. Also, ask them politely.

Thanks for reminding me what I forgot to mod. Following these instructions I've reworked on the [Hard difficulty] and will rework on [Complex] and [Original].

FrenzyLi wrote:

Niks wrote:

offset 1075 -> 1072

Hmm, would you mind telling me how you got this offset? I feels pretty nice, but I keep thinking how 3 milliseconds make a difference?

By the way, I'm working on a different computer and forgot to uploaded the modded version of [Beginner] and [Easy]. I'll have that fixed in 5 hours after I get access to the other computer. Fixed.

I'm Hidden player

1075
rainbow 300 ↑ > 300 ↓

1072
rainbow 300 ↓ > 300 ↑

The Expert difficulty is now complete with ✰4.63. Only 1 more diff needs completion before the whole beatmap set returns to PENDING state!

Hi Frenz-san
NM as requested from ★☭ Верный osu!mania Queue ☭★

4K = |1|2|3|4|

(Focus : Note Presence , Hand/Row Balance, Variation/Consistency Pattern)
[Beginner 1.0]
00:22:572 (22572|0,23072|0) - avoid same row, diffirent rhytim
01:17:072 (77072|2) move to 2
01:25:822 (85822|2) change into normal note, then 01:26:072 - add note here
01:26:822 (86822|1) same reason
01:37:822 (97822|1) move to 1
01:42:822 (102822|1,103072|0) Ctrl + H
01:45:072 - add note, kiai part must attractive pattern (high recomendation)
02:12:572 (132572|3,133072|3) avoid same row, diffirent rhytim
02:25:072 add note, kiai part
02:37:822 (157822|1,158822|2) same reason, remove LN then add note
02:53:822 (173822|1,174822|2) ^

[Easy 1.6]
00:49:947 (49947|1) remove, then 00:50:072 - add note here
00:51:947 (51947|2) same reason
00:53:947 (53947|1) ^
00:57:947 (57947|0) ^ other pattern like this
01:12:947 (72947|1) remove?
01:14:072 (74072|0) move to 4? row balance
01:19:072 (79072|2) move to 1
01:25:072 (85072|3) move to 3
01:27:572 add note? consistency
01:37:072 (97072|3) move to 1, hand balance
01:39:822 (99822|0) move to 4
01:45:072 add note, kiai
01:46:322 (106322|3) move to 1
01:47:822 (107822|3) move to 2
01:50:322 (110322|1) move to 4
01:54:322 (114322|3) move to 1
01:57:822 (117822|2,118072|2) avoid low jack
02:28:572 (148572|0) move to 4
02:31:072 (151072|0) move to 3
02:37:072 (157072|0) move to 4
02:39:822 (159822|3) move to 1
02:45:822 (165822|3) ^
02:50:572 (170572|0,170572|1) move to right 2x
02:55:072 (175072|2) remove
02:55:822 (175822|2) ^
02:56:572 add note, cimbal sound
02:59:072 (179072|3,181072|0) remove
03:18:572 (198572|3) ^

Хорошо~ Good Luck..

Respond to Verniy_Chan for mods on [Beginner 1.0] and [Easy 1.6].
Roughly 25.0/39.0 ideas accepted! :3
You've been very helpful, and thanks for your mod! Спасибо!


Summary

• 1. In all, I think the kiai part for Beginner is already difficult than the rest of the map because of the note density (1st kiai) and the irregular piano notes (2nd kiai), therefore I'll not adopt your suggestion for this diff, but your idea is essentially correct! :3
  2. I'll keep the Beginner difficulty free of short long notes, except the ending part (where things get hard).

Summary:

• 1. I have my own idea of kiai, which is similar to yours. However, I've set a hard limit on the difficulty of the maps :3 I've made the kiai on other diffs pretty hard though, and that's why I can make so many diffs.
  2. Nice catch on cimbal.
  3. Nice suggestions on balancing notes :3 but I can't move some of them due to relative pitch.

beep

My Column:
1|2|3|4




Good luck

Respond to LNP- for mods on [4K Expert].
Roughly 3.5/4.0 ideas accepted! :3
Nice catch on some mistakes I've made, thanks :3

7 Difficulties of 4K, yet you only have 3 difficulties of 7K
Are you still continuing on this? you still need 4 more dificulties of 7K for balancing with 4K diff.

Rangking Criteria wrote:

Different key amounts within a mapset must be treated as different gamemodes and require a respective independent difficulty spread. Therefore each key amount must have an independent difficulty spread. For example if you want to add a 7K difficulty to your set, you must design a whole 7K spread. If you want to add an additional 4k difficulty to your set, you must also design a whole 4K spread.

It is hard to have 14 difficulties with 3 minutes length of music, isn't it?

Also, what "1,0" , "4,6" in the diff name? Star rating?
I think it doesn't needed cause the rating is automatically can be seen, so delete those "decimal numbers"
Honestly, I'm kinda Lazy to make map more than 6 difficulties XD

Rivals_7 wrote:

7 Difficulties of 4K, yet you only have 3 difficulties of 7K
Are you still continuing on this? you still need 4 more dificulties of 7K for balancing with 4K diff.

Rangking Criteria wrote:

Different key amounts within a mapset must be treated as different gamemodes and require a respective independent difficulty spread. Therefore each key amount must have an independent difficulty spread. For example if you want to add a 7K difficulty to your set, you must design a whole 7K spread. If you want to add an additional 4k difficulty to your set, you must also design a whole 4K spread.

It is hard to have 14 difficulties with 3 minutes length of music, isn't it?

Also, what "1,0" , "4,6" in the diff name? Star rating?
I think it doesn't needed cause the rating is automatically can be seen, so delete those "decimal numbers"
Honestly, I'm kinda Lazy to make map more than 6 difficulties XD

1. It's intended star rating and I'll remove it since I declared it in the post.

2. I'll make 5 7K maps in total due to a different interpretation of the rules.

Furthermore, since the requirement is that "for each key amount there must be an independent difficulty spread," I don't see any reason why I need to have the same number of difficulties as long as the diff spread for both key amounts are both reasonable... 4K is 1.0~4.6, then 7K is 1.0~5.0 should be fine, because the spread matches well.

Regarding the number of beatmaps, 7 maps for 4K in my case means 0.6* star diff interval, but for 7K, I could do 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 which is 5 maps total, has a reasonable star interval (1.0*) and maintains a reasonable spread for all key counts. There should be 12 maps total for all key counts.

Yes, it's kinda hard to maintain... but since I'm only doing 1 beatmap set and I plan to learn 7K with this mapset, I think it's doable for me... just that there needs to be a lot of mods.

I think I forgot to copy this

Rangking Citeria wrote:

Different key amounts within a mapset should have a similiar difficulty spread. This is to keep parity between different key amounts and satisfy different key amount players.

The star rating is not an eligible reason. Just look on the other map, they not all have same star interval between each diff.

You don't have to aimed to each star rating like "this map should be 1 star" or something. Cause applying mods from someone else may change the star rating.

Since this song has mostly a piano tunes, it's supposedly cannot be mapped more than 4,5 stars.
The note placing must be reasonable and completely flow with the music. Otherwise the player will feel uncomfortable when playing your beatmap. (Are you feel comfortable when you play your own beatmap?)

About diff spread, like i said, we're talking about "diff spread" not "rating spread". The number of 4K diff must be the same as 7k no matter how high or low the star rating is.

Example: you make 4k easy, normal, hard, insane.(4 diff) Then you also have to make 7k easy, normal, hard, insane. As well.(4 diff)

For your case, if you intended to make 5 diff of 7k, you have to delete 2 of your 4k diff to balance.

Furthermore you can ask #help if you still unsure.

Doesn't mean i'm a stubborn but this is the knowledge i got since i got into the mapping world. Sorry for bad english xD