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New Mod to force standard circle colours(for colorblinds) [resolved]

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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
Current Priority: +2
GabrielRKF
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Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
GabrielRKF
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varq
104 posts
Joined February 2008
varq
I believe this was suggested before, but shot down because it considered the intention of the mapper to have distracting colors or because it's the modder's fault for not telling the mapper that those colors were bad. I completely agree though, because this would fix problems with gray beats in multiplayer tag.
mm201
osu! Alumni
4,495 posts
Joined August 2008
mm201
Proper hitcircle colours should have good contrast in both the chroma and luma, so this shouldn't be an issue if mappers are mapping right.

Other than that, the actual usage of colour isn't too critical to the gameplay.

varq wrote:

gray beats in multiplayer tag.
I was thinking for this that notes which aren't yours could be alpha faded.
peppy
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peppy
Can you give an example of an "unplayable" map? The contrast of the white outline around hitcircles should mean that you can still see the circles no matter what colour.
awp
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awp

varq wrote:

...because it's the modder's fault for not telling the mapper that those colors were bad.
This is a terrible reason not to change something, to be honest.
LuigiHann
Resident Skinner
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LuigiHann

peppy wrote:

Can you give an example of an "unplayable" map? The contrast of the white outline around hitcircles should mean that you can still see the circles no matter what colour.
Typically if there's a problem, it's with the approach circles blending in.

I wouldn't be opposed to a high-contrast mode that just slightly darkens the background and lightens the hitcircles
GabrielRKF
992 posts
Joined September 2008
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GabrielRKF

peppy wrote:

Can you give an example of an "unplayable" map? The contrast of the white outline around hitcircles should mean that you can still see the circles no matter what colour.
Actually, as LuigiHann said, is with the approach circles.
Example: "The Invasion From Within" by ztrot
When the hitcircle is on the top of the screen, were the BG is more dark, it's pretty hard to see the approach circles.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
3,936 posts
Joined April 2009
Ephemeral
I know ztrot has trouble playing the Bad Apple!! collab because of the greyscale skin and hitcircle colours because of his partial colourblindness, at least that's what he told me - mainly from the fact that the approach circles tend to 'meld' into the background sometimes (hell, I've had that happen to me on a few maps).

An option for this would be nice.
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old
And some monitors are horrible or horribly configured and have horrible contrast.

Then again that's the player's fault...
Lybydose
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Joined January 2009
Lybydose

peppy wrote:

Can you give an example of an "unplayable" map? The contrast of the white outline around hitcircles should mean that you can still see the circles no matter what colour.
Examples:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7662 - The pink approach circles are extremely difficult to see.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/9273 - The approach circles are difficult to see.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10435 - The everything is difficult to see.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10652 - Every combo color appears to be the same.
That one NSYNC skin (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/27936) - OH GOD
Anything that doesn't use the standard colors (or EBA colors) for 300, 100, and 50 hits - I can't tell if I'm doing amazing or terrible.

Granted, it's still possible to adjust my monitor to completely ridiculous and strange settings that make things easier to see. (Usually this involves removing green. Completely.)
mm201
osu! Alumni
4,495 posts
Joined August 2008
mm201
This map is completely playable.

Case closed.

Features don't need to be added to compensate for mapper stupidity.
Azure_Kite
osu! Alumni
3,217 posts
Joined February 2009
Azure_Kite
Personally I don't see the harm in such an option. Even if it was allowed for those maps which require it, it would be helpful.
GabrielRKF
992 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
GabrielRKF

MetalMario201 wrote:

This map is completely playable.
Yes it's playable but I don't think that it does close the case. This map is playable and just because the aproach circles are not so dark as the background.
There are still other maps with this prob.
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
Well, no harm adding it.


MetalMario201 wrote:

Features don't need to be added to compensate for mapper stupidity.
You are just saying this because you don't know how it feels like to be unable to see the beats. Not only that, I don't think maps will be unranked just to change some combo colours. osu! can be played by everyone, so why not colourblind people too?
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

JInxyjem wrote:

osu! can be played by everyone, so why not colourblind people too?
Why not blind people, too?

Why not deaf people, too?
Gabi
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Joined December 2008
Gabi

strager wrote:

JInxyjem wrote:

osu! can be played by everyone, so why not colourblind people too?
Why not blind people, too?

Why not deaf people, too?
really what is the point in comparing this with colorblind? it is not the same thing.

blind people can't see at ALL and nothing can be done about it since you can't really code brail

deaf people might be legit, then again you can't code anything to that either.

this mod won't hurt anyone, and i doubt it is hard to implement. the only thing this goes against is the "mappers will" and i know peppy strongly disagrees with that and will not change anything.
aRiskOfRain
osu! Alumni
1,367 posts
Joined June 2009
aRiskOfRain

strager wrote:

Why not blind people, too?

Why not deaf people, too?
On an unrelated note, I'm so annoyed that my pets can't play Osu! I mean, my budgies can't move the mouse, and my dog can't seem to get the hang of clicking. FIX PLEASE.
Slavoc
2 posts
Joined October 2009
Slavoc
I would like to add my voice (for what it's worth) to those wishing to let the user override the skin. The OSU! default skin has excellent contrast, and I can easily see where the cursor is, whether it's on a slider ball, against any of the circle colours, or on the spinner. The same can not be said for all custom skins, which we must use to gain rank.

Examples of beatmaps that I like but are infuriating to play:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/9533 - the custom skin is nigh impossible to tell apart from the background.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/9651 (and anything with the Lucky Star skin) - the spinner is almost the same colour as the cursor. No good.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/8495 - similar problem; the spinner sucks. The circles aren't great either, but it's playable.

I'm not even colourblind (far from it, my vision is better than average). I'm sure that the colourblind and blind-aspected players can come up with many more examples of beatmaps made needlessly difficult solely because of the skin.
Shulin
1,189 posts
Joined August 2009
Shulin
+ 1 Support, not to compensate for mappers stupidity in choosing silly colors and skins, but for the fact that it might help some people enjoy the game more.

That being said enforcing the custom skin with the original colors might not help all colorblinds, for example if you can't see reds or greens well, so you would probably have to have an option to toggle what colors are enforced on all maps. Either way I can't see the harm in including such an option.
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
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