This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on martes, 28 de mayo de 2013 at 9:46:43

Artist: Train
Title: 50 Ways to Say Goodbye
Tags: California37 help me fifty
BPM: 140
Filesize: 19571kb
Play Time: 03:53
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy (1,8 stars, 172 notes)
2. Hard (4,78 stars, 412 notes)
3. Insane (4,98 stars, 572 notes)
4. Normal (3,7 stars, 262 notes)

Download: Train - 50 Ways to Say Goodbye
Download: Train - 50 Ways to Say Goodbye (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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I really like this song! <3333 and it deserves a full mapset imo .
Everything done and ready for mods
Btw, this will be a full mapset by myself, I don't accept any kind of Guest difficulties.

Special Thanks:
ezek: For the video and BG

Mapset:
Easy: 100%
Normal: 100%
Hard: 100%
Insane: 100%

You can also play Aleks diff here

STAR!

ezek wrote:

STAR!

La primer estrella . Gracias ezek!

Me das el hard?

ThoomyyxD wrote:

Me das el hard?

Como te voy a dar el Hard, si ya esta hecho!

A proposito:

mancusojuanmattos wrote:

Btw, this will be a full mapset by myself, I don't accept any kind of Guest difficulties.

Lo cual dice claramente, que el mapset va a ser exclusivamente mio y no acepto Guest Difficulties!

Btw, the mapset is done and ready for mods

Hey! You're welcomed by Thunderstorm's modding system v 220708000...2!

Well, I don't really mod BAT's map's ever. But I'll try to make it usefull (at least I think so )

[Overall]
This song is amazing. So as the mapset
I'd suggest to decrease slider tick rate to 1
Also, I'd suggest to remove some kiai sections (too much kiai all over the map)
For example, you can replace this 00:44:860 - 01:12:289 kiai section w/ a fontains, same for 02:58:574 - 03:26:003
Some notes goes out of the grid, but I sure it can't be a major prob.

Can't really find anything, so don't kd this post, if you can't find any usefull thing here

Good luck!

Hello
I'm here just to drop few suggestions about flow and blankets :3
You don't have to answer on this because this all is subjective

Easy:
00:14:003 (1,2) - maybe blanket this
00:21:289 (2,3) - we love symmetry maybe move this http://puu.sh/2U1GB.jpg
00:50:431 (3,4) - make this flow http://puu.sh/2U1Jq.jpg with 00:53:431 (2) - stack on 00:51:289 (4) -
00:58:146 (2,1) - can be good blanket
01:27:717 (4,2) - http://puu.sh/2U1N4.jpg - this can be better, like http://puu.sh/2U1O4.jpg
01:40:574 (2,3) - blanket? http://puu.sh/2U1PW.jpg
02:38:003 (1,2,3) - maybe improve flow here http://puu.sh/2U1SP.jpg
03:22:574 (1,2,3) - fix this blanket http://puu.sh/2U1Vb.jpg http://puu.sh/2U1We.jpg

Normal:
00:25:360 (2,4) - so they not parallel and i even suggest to do something like http://puu.sh/2U22w.jpg
00:37:574 (3) - flows better http://puu.sh/2U23H.jpg
01:31:146 (3,4) - blanket this better http://puu.sh/2U27A.jpg
02:03:289 (6) - you can fix this a little http://puu.sh/2U27A.jpg
03:19:789 (2,3) - and this one http://puu.sh/2U2fd.jpg
03:36:074 (1) - imo looks better if end little spaced http://puu.sh/2U2gC.jpg
03:44:860 () - you skipped strong downbeat here

Hard:
02:09:289 (4) - Unsnapped slider (end)
00:29:431 (5) - curve this? http://puu.sh/2U2ly.jpg
00:36:717 (5,6,7) - this flow break plays not great
00:53:217 (4,6) - space this a little http://puu.sh/2U2qZ.jpg
01:30:931 (3,4) - imo this more suitable to follow lyrics here http://puu.sh/2U2uH.jpg
02:12:717 (5) - rotate this? http://puu.sh/2U2zY.jpg
03:14:646 (2,3) - fix this blanket? http://puu.sh/2U2E3.jpg

Insane:
00:21:717 (5) - http://puu.sh/2U2K0.jpg plays better imo
00:41:217 (6,1) - http://puu.sh/2U2NR.jpg maybe avoid this straight line
02:06:931 (3) - space this http://puu.sh/2U2RX.jpg
02:54:717 (1,2,3,4) - square http://puu.sh/2U2Vx.jpg
03:21:074 (5,6) - something like http://puu.sh/2U2Yl.jpg

wow, great music, great map. Good Luck!

Thanks :3


No Changes but thanks for checking anyways

Updated!!

I didn't forget this map, will mod it tomorrow.

Hi there

[Easy]
00:47:431 (4) - Add finish at tail slider? /run
01:44:431 (2) - Little spacing error here
03:26:431 (1) - Spacing error
03:51:717 (2) - Little spacing error here


[Normal]
00:23:646 (5) - End at 00:24:074? Since you follows the vocal?
00:26:003 (3) - This placement makes the flows feels worse. Perhaps, move this to X:116 and Y:28? (nazi)
00:36:289 (1) - Remove new combo, since you add NC every 2 bars
03:00:289 (3) - Move to X:284 and Y:232 for better flow?


[Hard]
00:24:074 (7) - Spacing error or it's intentional?
03:09:717 (2) - Stack with (7) for make it good placement? (nazi)


Goodbye

Leorda wrote:

Hi there Hi

[Easy]
00:47:431 (4) - Add finish at tail slider? /run haha, alright then
01:44:431 (2) - Little spacing error here wee.. Moved 1 grid to the right
03:26:431 (1) - Spacing error Fixed.
03:51:717 (2) - Little spacing error here Fixed too.


[Normal]
00:23:646 (5) - End at 00:24:074? Since you follows the vocal? I think is better my way, because I start to follow the guitar since this downbeat
00:26:003 (3) - This placement makes the flows feels worse. Perhaps, move this to X:116 and Y:28? (nazi) Sure, why not?
00:36:289 (1) - Remove new combo, since you add NC every 2 bars Removed
03:00:289 (3) - Move to X:284 and Y:232 for better flow? I like how it flows/looks as it is, so I'll leave this for now


[Hard]
00:24:074 (7) - Spacing error or it's intentional? Nice catch :3. Fixed.
03:09:717 (2) - Stack with (7) for make it good placement? (nazi) I prefer to keep the spacing consistent instead


Goodbye

Thanks Leo! . Updated

Did some IRC Modding.

Andrea wrote:

Did some IRC Modding.

SPOILER

22:17 Andrea: okay can you link me your map?
22:17 Andrea: so we irc mod
22:17 mancusojuanmattos: but I don't promise anything because I don't know if I will have the necessary time to do it
22:17 *mancusojuanmattos is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/250924 Train - 50 Ways to Say Goodbye]
22:17 Andrea: okay I understand :3
22:18 Andrea: is the , necessary in the tags?
22:18 mancusojuanmattos: yes, really necessary xD
22:18 Andrea: ok
22:19 mancusojuanmattos: I mean, a lot of people try finding this song using the comma
22:19 Andrea: album name, I suppose?
22:20 Andrea: 02:38:003 (1) - soft-finish on start is better imo (easy)
22:20 mancusojuanmattos: not really, the most important part of the chorus say 'help me, help me', and a lot of people now the map with that name xD
22:20 Andrea: ah I see :3
22:21 Andrea: 03:53:431 (1) - this spinner would make more sense if ended at 03:56:860 with a finish
22:22 mancusojuanmattos: I prefer to leave it as it is, because in this point the instrumental rhythm change
22:23 Andrea: 01:27:289 (3,4) - I dislike this stack to be honest, why don't you space them like this? http://puu.sh/2UOu2.jpg (Normal)
22:23 mancusojuanmattos: ok, unstacked
22:23 Andrea: 01:38:003 (1,2) - these slider shapes are ugly to me :<
22:24 Andrea: they destroy the armony of the difficulty to me
22:25 Andrea: 02:20:431 (5,1) - switch NC to (5) maybe?
22:25 mancusojuanmattos: yes, I used a simple curve instead
22:25 mancusojuanmattos: I agree with you
22:25 Andrea: good :3
22:25 Andrea: 02:47:003 (4) - NC here and remove it on 02:48:289 (1) -
22:25 mancusojuanmattos: okas
22:26 Andrea: 03:40:146 (4) - why don't you place this note where 03:37:574 (2) - was? better I think
22:26 Andrea: 03:53:431 (1) - same spinner comment
22:27 Andrea: HP Drain +1 on Hard to balance the settings
22:28 mancusojuanmattos: hold on.. fixed the note placement but not the spinner
22:28 Andrea: okay :3
22:28 Andrea: tell me once you're ready
22:28 mancusojuanmattos: I thought it was already in 6 the HP xD, fixed now
22:28 Andrea:
22:28 Andrea: 00:41:431 (1) - remove NC maybe?
22:29 mancusojuanmattos: Hmm.. k
22:29 Andrea: 01:12:289 (1) - ^ same xD
22:30 mancusojuanmattos: I don't know why, but I prefer to keep this one
22:30 Andrea: alright :3
22:30 Andrea: 01:52:896 (3) - 1 grid up / 01:53:003 (4) - 2 grids up ? for perfect stacking
22:31 Andrea: 02:24:289 (1) - NC again, but I guess you'll keep it :3
22:31 mancusojuanmattos: fixed the first thing, but not the nc xD
22:32 Andrea: oki xD
22:33 Andrea: 03:00:074 - I feel like it's missing a note here
22:33 Andrea: 03:05:003 (3) - add a clap?
22:33 Andrea: 03:09:717 (2) - stack under (7) ?
22:34 mancusojuanmattos: added a note, I didn't added the clap since I'm following just the drums sound
22:34 mancusojuanmattos: and as I said to Leorda, I prefer to keep the spacing consistent
22:34 Andrea: I see
22:34 mancusojuanmattos: during the gameplay it looks stacked anyways
22:35 Andrea: ok
22:38 Andrea: Insane
22:38 Andrea: 01:11:860 (1) - not necessary NC imo
22:38 mancusojuanmattos: okie :3
22:39 Andrea: 01:52:789 (3,4,5) - manual stack them like I told you on Hard
22:39 Andrea: 01:59:860 (4) - add a clap and remove the finish
22:40 Andrea: 02:03:289 (2) - ^
22:40 mancusojuanmattos: done, done, done xD
22:41 Andrea: 02:17:004 (3) - clap / delete finish
22:41 mancusojuanmattos: yep
22:41 Andrea: 02:23:860 (1) - remove NC
22:41 mancusojuanmattos: removed
22:41 Andrea: 02:38:002 (7) - add a finish?
22:42 mancusojuanmattos: How did I miss that cymbal!? Added xD
22:42 Andrea: 02:56:646 (7) - NC here maybe?
22:42 Andrea: it's too long compared to the rest of the difficulty
22:43 mancusojuanmattos: yes, agree
22:43 Andrea: 03:15:717 (3) - clap and remove finish xD
22:43 Andrea: 03:29:003 (4) - ^
22:43 mancusojuanmattos: wait.. what?
22:43 Andrea: 03:15:289 (1) -
22:43 Andrea: mistake sorry
22:43 Andrea: xD
22:44 mancusojuanmattos: I see xD
22:44 Andrea: 03:30:931 - add a note maybe?
22:44 Andrea: 03:42:717 (1) - clap and remove finish
22:45 mancusojuanmattos: I prefer that pause, works fine with the next jumpy pattern
22:45 Andrea: 03:53:003 (1,2,3) - would be nice if you make centered this pattern, for a nicer ending
22:45 Andrea: that's all

Thanks for your help Andrea . Updated!

CHOO CHOO REQUEST

[General]

1. I guess you won't mind some tag-fixes. I think that you should use help me help me and maybe you need tag fifty because people will look for fifty ways to say goodbye. You'll also need such tags as: Pat Monahan Jimmy Stafford Scott Underwood

[Insane]

1. 02:18:931 (4) - this combo looks a bit too long and inconsistent. try to place a new combo here to keep consistency in your comboing and to follow vocals.
2. 03:04:789 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - nazi - oh. maaan, you had awesome triplets at 00:40:789 (3,4,5), make those ones looks like triplets at 00:40:789 (3,4,5)!
   
   Perfect.

[Hard]

1. Since this is a [Hard] a diff, try to avoid a lot of 1/4 notes. 1/4 triplets are fine, but if there's more than 3 1/4 notes, replace them with sliders! Well, seriously, it feels like 02:58:146 (1,2,3,4,1) - this pattern and some others are too hard for [Hard] diff. :< C'mon, this diff is not the hardest diff here!
2. 00:56:217 (1) - try not to curve short 1/4 sliders. It males them look like 1/6 sliders or whatever. It doesn't really look good, imo.
   Note: you should also snap next slider with regular spacing to make it more readable. Same goes on every 1/4 slider>circle pattern. Such as 01:56:003 (7,1) - 02:08:217 (2,3) - and so on
   
   detailed

   As you can seee, players might misunderstand your spacing here. Well, we shold be careful with 1/4 sliders :)
   
3. 03:49:789 (1) - nazi - I'd move it a bit down to avoid possible overlap with HP-Bar.

[Normal]

1. 01:40:146 (1) - try to remove that New Combo to keep your patterns consistent. It won't hurt vocals but it will make map a bit more consistent.
2. 03:49:789 (1,2) - ultra-nazi - you could make a little bit better blanket here o3o/

[Easy]

• 
  Nothing was found here. Awesome diff.

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Star! ~

Best of luck!

-Bakari- wrote:

CHOO CHOO REQUEST LOL!!

[General]

1. I guess you won't mind some tag-fixes. I think that you should use help me help me and maybe you need tag fifty because people will look for fifty ways to say goodbye. You'll also need such tags as: Pat Monahan Jimmy Stafford Scott Underwood Just added fifty in tags, I think the members are not totally necessary, and I don't want to delete the double help me in tags

[Insane]

1. 02:18:931 (4) - this combo looks a bit too long and inconsistent. try to place a new combo here to keep consistency in your comboing and to follow vocals. Hmm.. k.
2. 03:04:789 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - nazi - oh. maaan, you had awesome triplets at 00:40:789 (3,4,5), make those ones looks like triplets at 00:40:789 (3,4,5)! I like how it flows these stacked ones, in addition I think follow better the drum senses.
   
   Perfect.

[Hard]

1. Since this is a [Hard] a diff, try to avoid a lot of 1/4 notes. 1/4 triplets are fine, but if there's more than 3 1/4 notes, replace them with sliders! Well, seriously, it feels like 02:58:146 (1,2,3,4,1) - this pattern and some others are too hard for [Hard] diff. :< C'mon, this diff is not the hardest diff here! I used a pair of 5-plets with notes, it doesn't hurt imo. In addition the distance between the notes in these patterns is really close
2. 00:56:217 (1) - try not to curve short 1/4 sliders. It males them look like 1/6 sliders or whatever. It doesn't really look good, imo.
   Note: you should also snap next slider with regular spacing to make it more readable. Same goes on every 1/4 slider>circle pattern. Such as 01:56:003 (7,1) - 02:08:217 (2,3) - and so on Hmm.. In a lot of places the flow perfectly, for these reason I don't want to change some of them
   
   detailed

   As you can seee, players might misunderstand your spacing here. Well, we shold be careful with 1/4 sliders :)
   
3. 03:49:789 (1) - nazi - I'd move it a bit down to avoid possible overlap with HP-Bar. Not really during the gameplay xD

[Normal]

1. 01:40:146 (1) - try to remove that New Combo to keep your patterns consistent. It won't hurt vocals but it will make map a bit more consistent. Hmm.. Okey
2. 03:49:789 (1,2) - ultra-nazi - you could make a little bit better blanket here o3o/ Meh.. It's ok

[Easy]

• 
  Nothing was found here. Awesome diff. Thanks! :3

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Star! ~

Best of luck!

Thanks!! . Updated!!

Hi. As per your request.

Please reply to this mod saying what you didn't fox - and what you did - and why.
Also, if you have any question, feel free to ask me in-game.

General

• Everything okay. Make the green combo colour lighter ? it will be more consistent with the others

Easy

1. Well, this is full of sliders that end on strong beats, making some parts awkward to play,and the comboing inconsistent... I won't point them out because I know you can recognize them, but yeah.
2. 00:20:870 (1,2,3,4) - This part felt disturbingly dense compared to the parts before and after it, most likely because of the 1/2 slider. I'd suggest to make its rhythms simpler to stay consistent with how the diff was made so far. Or you can replace 00:26:013 (2,3) - with a 3/2 slider followed by a circle - or a mix of both.
3. 00:48:727 (2,3) - 03:02:441 (1) - This felt weird because of the 1/2, which collides with the clap pattern and makes it empty by missing one. It would make this easier to follow the drums and end this sldier on the white tick imo
4. 01:01:584 (4) - 01:59:870 (4) - 02:13:584 (4) - 03:14:013 (3) - 03:29:013 (4) - 03:32:441 (3) - 03:46:156 (4) - missing clap
5. 01:30:727 (3,1) - weird rhythm again - and a slider that ruins comboing - it'd be better to have another 3/2 slider starting at 01:31:156 -
6. 02:48:513 (1) - Finish this spinner earlier so that you can complete the rhythm on 02:52:584 (1,2,3) - and follow the one at 02:55:156 (1,2,3,4) -
7. 03:35:013 (3,1) - This is just a purely aesthetic suggestion but (1) could blanket (3)
8. 03:42:299 (3) - missing finish on end

Normal

1. Here again, sliders break the comboing several times...
2. 00:16:146 (4,5,6) - You use this rhythm only once in the whole difficulty, and I find it rather unfitting, especially given the simpler rhythms around it, and so soon in the difficulty.
3. 00:48:717 (2,3,4) - 03:02:431 (2,3,4) - That sounded weird. I expected the slider to finish 1/2 earlier for the clap... I know it follows the vocals, but it's not that intuitive imo, because you were following the drums, then switch to the vocals, then switch back to the drums with 00:50:003 (4) - which is a note the vocals do not sing. Something like 1/1slider 1/1slider circle would fit better, I think.
4. 02:48:503 (1) - Same as easy - make it finish earlier to complete the rhythm from the vocals you used, but didn't start at the right moment.

Hard

1. Bigger circles pls. This felt... difficult because of the circle size, and very stressful.
2. 00:26:753 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - Make this a star, it will look better
3. 03:49:789 (1) - It would flow MUCH BETTER to flip this horizontally so that it goes to the right and followed the movement frm (5)

Insane

• OD8 pls

Well, that's it. Good luck with it, que aproveche, y viva la revolucion.

Shiro wrote:

Hi. As per your request. Hi!

Please reply to this mod saying what you didn't fox - and what you did - and why.
Also, if you have any question, feel free to ask me in-game.

General

• Everything okay.

Easy

1. Well, this is full of sliders that end on strong beats, making some parts awkward to play,and the comboing inconsistent... I won't point them out because I know you can recognize them, but yeah. I did that, because sometimes I tried to follow the vocals to place my combos. And, usually the Vocals start on the second White line, so I think it'll not be any problem
2. 00:20:870 (1,2,3,4) - This part felt disturbingly dense compared to the parts before and after it, most likely because of the 1/2 slider. I'd suggest to make its rhythms simpler to stay consistent with how the diff was made so far. Or you can replace 00:26:013 (2,3) - with a 3/2 slider followed by a circle - or a mix of both. Ok, I made (1,2,3,4) simplier.
3. 00:48:727 (2,3) - 03:02:441 (1) - This felt weird because of the 1/2, which collides with the clap pattern and makes it empty by missing one. It would make this easier to follow the drums and end this sldier on the white tick imo I prefer to keep that as it is, in my opinion the vocals needs an emphasize and the Whistle at this point do that (especially).
4. 01:01:584 (4) - 01:59:870 (4) - 02:13:584 (4) - 03:14:013 (3) - 03:29:013 (4) - 03:32:441 (3) - 03:46:156 (4) - missing clap All these claps, added.
5. 01:30:727 (3,1) - weird rhythm again - and a slider that ruins comboing - it'd be better to have another 3/2 slider starting at 01:31:156 - Fixed
6. 02:48:513 (1) - Finish this spinner earlier so that you can complete the rhythm on 02:52:584 (1,2,3) - and follow the one at 02:55:156 (1,2,3,4) - Hmm..Ok, I finished the Spinner 1/1 before
7. 03:35:013 (3,1) - This is just a purely aesthetic suggestion but (1) could blanket (3) I re-arranged a bit this blanket
8. 03:42:299 (3) - missing finish on end added

Normal

1. Here again, sliders break the comboing several times...Same as Easy
2. 00:16:146 (4,5,6) - You use this rhythm only once in the whole difficulty, and I find it rather unfitting, especially given the simpler rhythms around it, and so soon in the difficulty.I tried another thing
3. 00:48:717 (2,3,4) - 03:02:431 (2,3,4) - That sounded weird. I expected the slider to finish 1/2 earlier for the clap... I know it follows the vocals, but it's not that intuitive imo, because you were following the drums, then switch to the vocals, then switch back to the drums with 00:50:003 (4) - which is a note the vocals do not sing. Something like 1/1slider 1/1slider circle would fit better, I think. It is pretty intuitive, especially if you know that i follow the vocals sometimes.
4. 02:48:503 (1) - Same as easy - make it finish earlier to complete the rhythm from the vocals you used, but didn't start at the right moment. Same.

Hard

1. Bigger circles pls. This felt... difficult because of the circle size, and very stressful. No, pls.. Just no.
2. 00:26:753 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - Make this a star, it will look better Nah.. it flows fine as it is, it doesn't need a change
3. 03:49:789 (1) - It would flow MUCH BETTER to flip this horizontally so that it goes to the right and followed the movement frm (5) That slider looks horrible, I did a best pattern in my own accord

Insane

• OD8 pls Nah..

Well, that's it. Good luck with it, que aproveche, y viva la revolucion. eh!? xD

Thanks a lot Shiro. Updated!!

Shiro wrote:

Please reply to this mod saying what you didn't fox - and what you did - and why.

Shiro wrote:

what you didn't fox

Shiro wrote:

fox

That was expected coming from a vulpix /runs

Hola C:

[General]
Your BG file seems to have a funny name.

Your finish hitsound pattern during kiai is inconsistent in all diffs, some parts you're using finish just in the downbeat (like in Easy), in higher diffs you use different combinations that is good, but at least you should keep them consistent in all diffs, I suggest the one you used in Insane. Maybe it's just me too.

[Easy]
Looks fine. I won't go nazi just to put something here.

[Normal]
00:36:717 (5,6) - I'd put the circle first and then the slider, fits better with vocals.
00:53:003 (3) - I'd delete this circle and move 00:53:431 (1) to 00:53:217, matches better with vocals, and sounds better too, do it if you are following them here of course.
02:18:717 (3) - Something similar as above, delete this and move 02:19:146 (4,5) 1/2 beat earlier
02:51:717 - I think 1 beat after a spinner is still a nice time to average players to react, and a note is definitely missing here
03:06:717 (3) - As I mentioned a bit above, remove this, move 03:07:146 (1,2) 1/2 beat earlier and put a circle in 03:08:431.
03:19:789 (2) - This time shorten this 1/2 beat and move 03:20:646 (3,4,5) 1/2 beat earlier
03:34:146 (3) - Something similar I said in 00:53:003 (3)
03:47:860 (3) - And as above.
[Hard]
01:12:289 (1) - Why NC? :c
02:24:289 (1) - ^
03:25:146 (6) - Shorten this slider to 03:25:360 and put a circle in 03:25:574, following drums in this part would be really fun before the last chorus.

[Insane]
Maybe use OD8. The streams are pretty easy :c
00:30:717 (1,2) - I didn't like how this stack felt after the previous one, if you move away (2) it should feel better as it's a new verse in the lyrics.
00:41:431 (1) - Why NC here?
00:48:503 (2) - Add whistle in the start, for vocals.
02:15:931 (6) - ^
03:07:789 (7) - ^
Maybe there are more, but get disguised as claps.

That'd be all from my part, nice mapset mancu, as always, good luck :3

awesome song. Loved to dance according to the lyrics at the chorus with my friend when we lived together ;w;