Chewin wrote:

Sorry, I can't try this round <.< I will try next time..

backstep wrote:

Oh... I have some question >.<'

Mod all map in my group or choose 1 map to mod it ?

Envi wrote:

what if i'm already mod one of my group's map long time ago? should i mod it again? \:D/

Envi wrote:

what if i'm already mod one of my group's map long time ago? should i mod it again? \:D/

wcx19911123 wrote:

round #1
deadline is 3rd june or later, now open 32 slots!
anyone who has any questions, feel free to post here

haha5957 wrote:

3rd june on which area? (Like GMT+9 or whatsoever)

like, I've posted THIS POST on may 28th, 1:12 PM, but i'm preety sure it's gonna be early morning or even yesterday on western countries..

wcx19911123 wrote:

backstep wrote:

Oh... I have some question >.<'

Mod all map in my group or choose 1 map to mod it ?

need to mod all other maps in your group before deadline, good luck

-Sekai- wrote:

lol i think i want to quit >A</

Snepif wrote:

Katty Pie's map from my group has been bubbled, what should I do? Mod it anyways? o.O Please tell me?

wcx19911123 wrote:

[*]every group member need to mod other members' maps(the maps in the same group of you) before the deadline(so if you post a bubbled map, it may be popped after others' mods)

iMercurial wrote:

Snepif wrote:

Katty Pie's map from my group has been bubbled, what should I do? Mod it anyways? o.O Please tell me?

wcx19911123 wrote:

[*]every group member need to mod other members' maps(the maps in the same group of you) before the deadline(so if you post a bubbled map, it may be popped after others' mods)

^

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  *What if someone gives others low score? (Just because he is strict)
  *If a group has only three members, they'll only have to mod 2 maps, and they may have more chance(1/3) to get mod than other groups' members (1/4). Is that OK?
  *Also I'm not sure about bubbled map...

iMercurial wrote:

This queue is out of control, and is very confusing.

Envi wrote:

how about if the participant doesn't give any mod at the end but he's not saying that he is quitting from the challenge?

if anyone can't finish modding before deadline, he'll lost the corresponding modding score

wcx19911123 wrote:

谁乱打分就bl

wcx19911123 wrote:

* for avoiding this happen, I'll take a look at all scores and when I found someone vote very low scores to others, I'll put him into a blacklist

wcx19911123 wrote:

things are going on well now, pay attention that round #1 will be finished in 24 hours, I'll give the result at that time. just saying here
a little prediction here: group #1, #5 is finished

bossandy wrote:

我只是想抗議一下
如果有下次有一樣的Challenge 加入的圖可不可以只加沒有bubbled的圖呢
( 如果加入後bubbled的 必須強制退出 這樣比較合理 不然就只繪變成一個Rank queue 因為mod不出東西所以mod被評低分 )
bubbled的圖表示已經ready for rank 我們其他member如果要mod
也只能大部分都Nazi 但是Nazi的通常都會說沒差多少 然後就沒改
這樣子等於其他member只能靠map取分 有點不公平
就差8分 如果還沒bubbled可能還mod出些東西 QAQ

popner wrote:

因为已经bubble了，所以我给mod打分时根本没有看改了多少，前边那个一堆finish的mod我也给了很高分我只是想说明那个45不是我打的
就结果来看我给你们打的分都是你们得分中比较高的，所以没有因为mod泡图给低分的情况..

wcx19911123 wrote:

I'm sorry that I didn't think any rules for the bubbled maps or someone want to quit ;__;
I'll complete the rules next round

wcx19911123 wrote:

Result

Strawberry 70+45+80=195
raririn 65+50+75=190

Miya wrote:

For the next round, i suggest all of the partcipant must give a reason in giving a score to someone. So, people can be understand why they got score like that. It can clear any of missunderstanding too.

Snepif wrote:

Beat, you need to send your scores on a forum PM to wcx.

From now on, I suggest adding a blacklist for people who quit/don't mod/etc?

wcx19911123 wrote:

here is the detailed scores information
and thanks for your support, I'll make the rules better in the next round
also, welcome to pm me or post here with your good ideas about the queue

wcx19911123 wrote:

I put them in a group depends on the post sequence in this round. I think this is fine because they'll know which group he'll join when they post
or shall we grouping randomly?

wcx19911123 wrote:

shall we grouping randomly?

bossandy wrote:

看到了...但是我們這group的分數 感覺有人故意打低分...
我不覺得我的map能只到25或20分 這種亂打分數的該死 他沒打分的話 我就嬴了
你應該檢查下member's mod跟map來看他有無亂打分數...
UNFAIR
我們的D's voting比其他的都來的低

亂打的BL

rickyboi wrote:

Not a good idea imo. How about you guys check first what kind of maps they have and group them by the quality of their map?

Sieg wrote:

group them by kd and maps ranked

DarknessAngel wrote:

自從我看到這種比賽方法我就發現這問題
打從一開始就是不公平的
評分是個很主觀的認定
像是我發現有人評5分，0分什麼的，道理何在？
讓參賽者本身擁有評分自主權，原本就是個錯誤

還有
而且中途出現的問題(像是有誰突然退出隊伍)
就該事先預想好這種情況的發生並訂定處理對策
而不是貿然舉辦比賽之後之後才處理
我認為這次辦事欠妥，也缺乏公正性

EDIT : 雖然這麼說，但我覺得辦這樣比賽，想法很好
推動大家m4m，互助和競爭的精神
儘管結果和過程有點不如意
希望下次能辦得更好 (像是評分交給裁判什麼的)
有機會我也來參與一下

bossandy wrote:

但是關於有些很低的分數也是有原因的 你要自己看看被打低分的mod或map
才能明顯知道是否亂打分 我覺得打那個5分跟0分是情有可原的 ( 因為根本沒幫助到什麼 )
但是他喵的那個人打mod分跟map分明顯惡意評分 快把他BL Damn...

DarknessAngel wrote:

我那只是做個舉例
評分標準沒有訂定
僅僅要求參賽者"評分"
每個人都有自己的主觀認定，評分什麼的肯定有差距
主要是這點有疑問呢

Kurisuchianu wrote:

Google.

bossandy wrote:

Boss' idea

1. 這裡有6個MAT跟4個BAT 所以開10個Groups
   Since there are 6 MATs and 4 BATs, so open 10 groups
2. 每個Group由一位MAT/BAT擔任評審
   Each group has one MAT/BAT as a judge
3. Member看要幾個人 最好別太多也別太少 3~5即可 ( 但是還是建議少一點像3人 因為有時間限制 有的人還是Student 要抽出時間Mod顯的蠻困難的 )
   Each group has 3 ~ 5 members (Preferably 3 people because there is a time limit and some of them are still students, so it is difficult for them to have time to mod)
4. 成員互相mod ( 也就是M4M )
   Each member do Mod for Mod for other members in the same group
5. Mod完成讓Group的MAT/BAT知道你mod完了 然後給你的Mod+Map評分 ( 評分完直接post在這個queue 讓他們知道自己的分數如何 )
   Please let the judge knows after you have done your mods. Then the BAT/MAT will give your map and mod a score (for each one of them). MAT/BAT must post the socre directly in this queue in order to let the members know their own score.
6. 評分方法由當那個Group's的評審以他的方式評分
   Scoring depends on the group's judge, which means the judge will have his/her own way to score
7. 得分最高者得到MAT/BAT的Ticket一張! 可以用在其他map上
   Person with the highest score will get a ticket from MAT/BAT, which can be used on the other map
8. 中途離開的成員 請找其他方法補償其他Members' Mod ( 像是給個Star 或私下跟其他Member道歉 只要Member能接受就ok了 如果事後如果沒有任何處理 加進Blacklist )
   Member leaves during the challenge, he/she needs to find a way to compensate other members' mod (For example, shoot a star or apologize privately, as long as the member can accept it. If he/she does not handle it after he/she left, then add his/her name to Blacklist)
9. 無法完成mod的成員 MAT也會給你的Map評分 但是會少了mod的分數 也就是說要拿高分的機會相對減低 就算你還是當最高分的人 也必須在Challenge結束後補完mod 因為是M4M
   Memebers that cannot finish the mod on time, MAT/BAT will still give a score for your map, but not for your mod, which means your chance to get a higher score will decrease. Even though you get the highest score in your group and you do not complete all the mods for the people in your group, you still need to finish them, because this is M4M.
10. MAT的Group僅接受No bubbled的Map 中途Bubbled必須強制退出 Because of this 其他Member就不必須mod了
    MAT's group only accept No bubbled Maps, if the map is bubbled during the challenge, it will automatically quit and other people in the group don't have to mod it anymore
11. BAT的Group僅接受Bubbled map , No map for App 當然中途Ranked必須離開 <<<廢話 會說不接受App 是因為App通常難度都很少 且擺的Random 比較難讓人mod
    BAT's group only accept Bubbled map , No map for App map that is ranked within the time needs to quit too <<< No App because App usually has few diffs only and they all have random placements, which makes people hard to mod
    I think he also means the pattern because App maps are usually harder than the normal ranked maps
12. 最重要的 : MAT/BAT 要把圖 Bubbled/Ranked 是依照他們想做的去做 如果不Bubbled/Ranked 我們也不能強求 ( 說實在的 這queue就是單純的M4M queue 能拿到MAT/BAT算是額外的收穫 xDD )
    whether or not to Bubbled/Ranked maps is depending on the MAT/BAT. So, if they do not Bubble/Ranked maps, we cannot force them.
    I think the sentence inside the parentheses is more likely a personal thought, so I don't feel like translating it, sorry for my laziness.
    
    Edit :
13. MAT/BAT不能挑戰 因為大部分的MAT/BAT都實力堅強 平常的modder贏不過
    MAT/BAT cannot join because they have more experiences than normal modders (most likely, normal modder will not win)
14. 限制時間內務必包含星期六跟日 因為蠻多人都只有假日有空
    Challenging time period must included Saturday and Sunday because most people only idle on weekends

Snepif wrote:

Boss' idea ftw

Kurokami wrote:

I agree with Boss's idea. Its really sounds good. :3 But what if someone have a very high quality map? That means, unexperinced modder will not able to handle it, so the score will be low. o.o

rickyboi wrote:

Kurokami wrote:

I agree with Boss's idea. Its really sounds good. :3 But what if someone have a very high quality map? That means, unexperinced modder will not able to handle it, so the score will be low. o.o

That's quite the problem. In my previous posts, I said that they should group the people depending on either by their modding experience or map quality.

Kurokami wrote:

Okay, then I use myself for an example. I'm an unexperienced modder, but my map quality is good, thanks to a 10 pages of mod. And I think so many ppl have the similar problem.

ThoomyyxD wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/119457
Thanks you !