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# [Guide] Making Delicious Sliders

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Making Delicious Sliders: A Guide.

There is a growing epidemic of horrible, horrible sliders which make me want to commit suicide over seeing them again, so I am making this to help improve the quality of your curves.

All of these sliders use Bezier Curves - any Catmull slider can be improved with beziers, true story.

Arcs (Use essentially the same technique for any sliders symmetrical in one axis)

This is the easiest shape to make. Place all of your points symmetrically in the grid first of all. Select it and Ctrl+H when you think you have it accurate to make sure the points are on symmetrical grids. Then move the points around until the slider is the right length and falls just a little short of the final point. It's important that whenever you move a point, you move the corresponding point exactly the same way to keep all the points symmetrical with each other. Make sure you Ctrl+H often to check you haven't made a mistake.

To make the sliderend and endpoint line up hold shift to disable grid snap and move the top point down until the sliderend is right on the last point. When you think it's perfect, select and Ctrl+H a few times and see if the endpoint moves around. If it doesn't, congratulations, you have a beautiful slider. Show it off to your friends. If it does, move the top point around until it does.

If you want an arc at an angle, it's usually easiest to make it upright as above, then Edit > Rotate By... to make it the angle you want.

Waves (Use essentially the same technique for any sliders that are rotationally symmetrical)

Waves are made very similarly to arcs, only your points should be rotationally symmetrical with each other as opposed to horizontally flipped. If you press Ctrl + H + J it rotates the slider by 180 Degrees so you can check the points correspond.

To line the sliderend and endpoint up choose two corresponding symmetrical points. Disable grid snap and move them both in by a tiny bit at a time until the sliderend and last point are right on top of each other.

Beat Blankets

Blankets are easiest to do if you eyeball the slider first of all to get it roughly correct, then scroll to a point on the timeline where the approachcircle of the beat lines up with the closest edge of the slider's startpoint. It may help to go into 1/8 snap to get it just right. Then just tweak the points until the whole slider lines up with the approchcircle as perfectly as you can.

Keep in mind that if you want a slider to blanket and be perfectly symmetrical, worry about symmetry first then adjust the points symmetrically to improve the blanket.

Circles (Courtesy of mm201)

#### mm201 wrote:

The number of control points you want depends on the angle covered by your arc.
0°: 2 points
0°-20°: 3 points
20°-170°: 4 points
170°-200°: 5 points
200°-300°: 6 points
300°-350°: 7 points

None of this is really exact, just a general idea. Similar to waves, the further the control point is from the start/end in order, the further away from the curve it goes. Make sure the first and last control lines are pointed in the direction you want your loop to begin at. The others, just adjust by eye until it's mostly round. Using an approach circle as a guide can help with this.

Like with most shapes, keep one (two if the number of points is even) control point to take out of grid snap so you can line up the endpoint.

Elbows (Use same technique for any slider with straight bits and curved bits)

When you want a slider with a transistion between a curved bit and a straight bit you use a red point where it switches. The most important thing is to ALWAYS PUT THE RED POINT AND POINTS ON EITHER SIDE IN A STRIAGHT LINE. Like exactly straight. Get a ruler if you have to. We don't want any sharp bends here kthx. But yeah it's pretty straightforward apart from that.

Heart sliders (Use same technique for any slider which is symmetrical, but the startpoint is on the centre line)

Instructions are kinda long, so I've put them in here
First, make a basic heart shape, slightly longer than you need, with both the start and end points in the same place at the bottom. Try and copy these points roughly if you're having trouble. Putting just a redpoint at the top is fine, but I prefer to use an elbow curve

Next, copypaste this slider to the tick immediately after itself and horizontal flip like so

Then grab the endpoint of the first slider and pull it back to the length you want your slider to be.

See how it's asymmetrical and ugly? well mess with the points on the tail half of the slider until it lines up perfectly with the slider behind.

If you managed all that, you're done! Delete the slider behind and edit/scale by if you want to fill any gaps.

Awesome Wiggles
There are a couple of ways to do this, depending on what kind of wiggle you're after.

Type 1 - Start and end pointing the same way.

The important thing here is that each arc that make up the wiggle is made up of four points, and as you get closer to the centre the taller the four points need to be. Once you have the basic shape, it's just messing around and eyeballing until it looks even and the tail end of the slider lines up on the last point. As with arcs, don't forget to be Ctrl + Hing all the time to make sure the points are symmetrical.
Other than that, it's mostly practice. Once you've made a few nice looking wiggles you'll be able to knock them out in no time.

Type 2 - Start and end pointing different ways.

Similarly to type 1, each arc is made up of four points, but in my experience it helps if they're kinda twisted round, like in the image. These are rotationally symmetrical, like waves, so use Ctrl + H + J to check points.

Type 3 - Super Tight Wiggles

Sometimes wiggles are just too tight to use the above method, so redpoints are neccesary. Make sure that the points of each section between each pair of redpoints are identical, apart from the end ones - you can check this by dupicating the slider and moving them around, checking it lines up all the way along, or by simply counting grids. Also, make sure that each redpoint and the two points either side make a perfect straight line, to avoid unwanted bumps.
The sections towards the end really need to be eyeballed, and should be what you adjust when you want to make the tail end land on the last point. This just takes a lot of messing around, but hopefully you'll get there eventually.

Loops

The things to remember when forming loops is that the points go up a lot further than the loop does: The further each point is from the ends, the further away it needs to be from the slider.

The biggest issue I see with people's loops are the hole. You're looking for an open, rounded teardrop shape like the above slider.
If the hole of the loop looks like any of these, your loop isn't as awesome as the above screenshot:

Wise words from wise peoples

#### Ephemeral wrote:

always align slider endpoints to the smallest possible value - that is, if you drag them any further backwards, the slider will shorten. the point will center itself in the slider end and will make attaining passable curves much easier to accomplish.
Also, doing this makes reverse selection on sliders not fuck them up. Which is a good thing.

#### Gonzvlo wrote:

As a variation of Beat Blankets, sometimes I use a spinner to make nice circles.

Inspiration Gallery Corner
blame naraku

narakucrimson's sliders of wonderment

"U" Slider:

Semi-elbow:

Awesome wiggle:

Interesting heart-shaped slider:

Slider blankets:
>
>

Creativity is just a click away! (or quite a lot):

You know, creativity:

Self-blanketed slider:

Zodiac Signs
By Krisom

Capricorn

Cancer

Gemini

By Soaprman

Scorpio

Taurus

Armin's sliders of further wonderment
Xmas' tree

Extended Loops

Crushed slider

Spirals
(with and without anchor points)

Heart sliders

(<- you need to use a velocity slider's varation here)
(<- classic shape, just with a little varation: there's an anchor point that helps you to make the slider in a short time)

(for a good flow)
Slider Art
Topic Starter
Sliderart can be good, but I reccomend you get pro at basic shapes first as they're the basis for much more complex shapes.
Thank you very much for the delicious tips

Time to fix all the slider on my maps
I suck at making those really long sliders that are big and like 3/4 of a circle that take up most of the height and/or width of the screen.
Any tips on making a circle/oblong? http://osu.ppy.sh/s/13342 the long slider here, which is supposed to be an oblong, is looking really bad and I want to change it... but I'm just horrible at making good looking slider shapes that aren't one curve :/
RandomJibberish I love you.

Time to make sexy waves~
Topic Starter

#### Ekaru wrote:

I suck at making those really long sliders that are big and like 3/4 of a circle that take up most of the height and/or width of the screen.
If you mean rainbow sliders, you make them the same as arcs only bigger. You still only need four points or so though, just make it biiiig.

#### Zekira wrote:

Any tips on making a circle/oblong? http://osu.ppy.sh/s/13342 the long slider here, which is supposed to be an oblong, is looking really bad and I want to change it... but I'm just horrible at making good looking slider shapes that aren't one curve :/
Circles are a bitch. Making all the points symmetrical similar to arc is how you can get horizintal symmetry (Assuming endpoints are at the top or bottom, you can put them where you like after by rotating it), but vertically it's often best to get it as close as you can then check vertical symmetry by copypasting the slider ahead in the timeline and flipping it vertically, so you can see how the slider lines up with itself. Then you can adjust based on that.

For sliders like yours, Zekira, vertical symmetry is less important. As long as your points are horizontally symmetrical and it's roughly vertically symmetrical it won't look too terrible. I'd suggest something like this so the endpoints don't overlap.
A general rule of thumb is, for simpler sliders, use less sliderpoints. I don't want to see a curve 1/2 beat long with around 7 sliderpoints. This obviously doesn't apply to more complex sliders.

Just wanted to throw that out there.
Topic Starter
The sharper the curve is, the more sliderpoints you'll need too. But keep it to a minimum to make your curves more natural.
OK I'm just trying this out now and...

Place all of your points symmetrically in the grid first of all.
Admittedly I am finding this very difficult to do on Grid Level 3. Any advise?

EDIT: Never mind, I just counted the grids manually (and wrecked my eyes in the process)

But now I have a recurring problem in that it still doesn't like symmetrical; I am inferring because there might be conflicts with the slider velocity. Any input on exact estimations (???) as to how much points should be away depending on the slider velocity? E.G. my 5 point symmetry for 1.28 velo would be different than that of 1.5 slider velo... Pic below uses 1.28 slider velo

#### Zekira wrote:

OK I'm just trying this out now and...

Place all of your points symmetrically in the grid first of all.
Admittedly I am finding this very difficult to do on Grid Level 3. Any advise?
I always use grid level 2 (sometimes switching to 1 as a guide to help count) and then switch back to 1 for detailed repositioning.

Although, I suppose just horizontally flipping to make sure all points are symmetrical would be easier. :v
Never mind, I just counted the grids manually (and wrecked my eyes in the process)

But now I have a recurring problem in that it still doesn't like symmetrical; I am inferring because there might be conflicts with the slider velocity. Any input on exact estimations (???) as to how much points should be away depending on the slider velocity? E.G. my 5 point symmetry for 1.28 velo would be different than that of 1.5 slider velo... Pic below uses 1.28 slider velo

...you know what because of this slider conspiracy I'm actually halting making this Normal for now :/
Topic Starter
Lol

What you have to do is move the top point(s) down a grid at a time, keeping them symmetrical until the endpoint and sliderend nearly line up. Then disable grid snap and move the top point down until it's exact. Ctrl + H to check.

Also I find that it's easiest to make your points symmetrical if you do it roughly at first, then Ctrl+H and see what moves. Then you can fix based on that. You can also use the switch to grid two method if you prefer.
HOLY CRAP I DID IT

Lol

By the way this isn't Zekira posting
Topic Starter
I want to give you, good RandomJibberish, a hug and ten kudosus right now<3 ;_;

*runs off to make more delicious pretty sliders*
best tip in the universe:

always align slider endpoints to the smallest possible value - that is, if you drag them any further backwards, the slider will shorten. the point will center itself in the slider end and will make attaining passable curves much easier to accomplish.
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