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CrystilonZ

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-08-26T18:06:06+00:00

แก้พวก nc ละ น่าจะไม่มีไรมึนแล้ว
fixed ncs according to the mod

- Frontier - wrote:
very late nm req from my q
[Crystilz's Colorful]
00:24:594 (4) - ctrl+g น่าจะ flow กว่ามั้ย ;w; จงใจอ่ะ ตรงนี้มันเป็นแบบ ช่วง transition + ถ้า flow ไปเด่ว emphasis ไม่ดี
01:01:398 (3,4) - XoX ยากไปมั้ยอ่า ;w; พี่ลองมาวางตรง x 56 y 164 ดูดีมั้ยย น่าจะง่ายกว่าน้า นี่ X นะ ไม่เป็นไรหรอก owo มันจะได้มีโดดตรง 01:01:746 (1) - ด้วย ความจริงคือซาดิสม์
01:07:648 (2,3,2,3,4) - อันแรกพี่ใส่ 1/4 slider อันที่สองพี่ทำ stream งง 01:07:909 (3) - เป็นสไลเดอร์กันชนอ่ะ + มันเข้ากับเสียงลากดี
01:25:703 (1) - อ่าวพี่ไม่ได้เอาไป stack กับ 01:24:488 (5) หรอ?? emphasis
Well, Good map. Sorry I can't mod it all. Lazy
Good luck!

Thanks for the mod~ :3

@HabiHolic They're made so because they kinda rhyme with 00:41:260 (2,3,4) -

Sry for not replying each suggestion separately. Busy playing nekojishi demo pls don't murder me

Electoz wrote:
เห็นม็อดภาษาไทยครั้งแรกในรอบหลายเดือน
why I feel so triggered from this

OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO OwO

that cat is so cuteee >///<

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Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-08-26T18:39:26+00:00

I have no idea what you guys are talking about lol..

- Frontier - wrote:
very late nm req from my q

[Metadata]
[list][*]Missing video in Easy diff It's should be there though, bc the video code is present in the .osu file
[*]Shouldn't preview point start here? 01:01:051 This is mostly personal preference, I just like the verse better as a preview point than the chorus.

Well, Good map. Sorry I can't mod it all. Lazy
Good luck!

Thanks for modding and for the stars~

CrystilonZ wrote:
that cat is so cuteee >///<

Aren't they all cats? :^)

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-08-26T19:03:36+00:00

a tiger, cloud leopard and leopard cat to be precise owo
by "cat" i meant the leopart cat XD

HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-08-28T00:57:06+00:00

Legend

✔ fixed!
a not fixed + reason

[Replies]

Frontier

[Rocket's Hard]

00:11:574 (3) - imo ctrl+g this makes a better flow. I tried it, but it would make the jump from 4 to 5 really high and might make players to lose their combo here. ;w;
00:14:178 (1,1) - you can put some notes between this. you don't need to make a space here. You're right but. ;w; I wanted to leave it like this to keep consistency as well as the other difficulties do.
00:30:149 (1,2,3,1) - what? o: If you pay more attention to the pattern itself, you'll notice they actually highlight the instrument here without leaving aside the rhythm of the vocals. This is also presented along the difficulty. Some examples: 00:41:260 (2,3,4) - 00:44:038 (2,3,4) - 00:49:072 (4,5,6) - etc

HabiHolic

[Rocket's Hard]

00:38:830 (4,5,6) - far jump patten. This is intentional. >w< Since the music turns up really strong here, I think this fits well the segment,
01:09:731 (4) - like this? I tested it up but it didn't give the effect the pattern suggests here. ;w;

[]

Thank you very much for the mod! /w\

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,661 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 2016-08-28T21:33:33+00:00

Colorful

00:02:547 (4) - and 00:05:324 (1,2) - . Can you make your rhythm choice more consistent here? I prefer the 1/1 gap, it gives a more interesting rhythm to the song, and allows the players a pause after the vocals.
00:11:401 (2,4) - How about arranging so the repeat isn't covered? I feel this overlap is unnecessary.
00:14:352 - You should map the vocals, since it seems you've been following that with your rhythm choice up to here.
00:18:171 (3,4,6,1) - This just doesn't work... why is there a jump from 3>4 on the blue tick? And this is a simple song, I really don't tihnk 1/4 stream jumps are necessary xP
00:31:104 (7,1) - Here too... there is really no need to have such a large jump here.
00:36:399 (4,5) - Same... ^
00:47:336 (3,4) - etc...
01:01:659 (4,1) - ^

Okay I just can't agree with the way 1/4's are being handled at all on this diff, sorry.

Insane

00:05:324 (1,2) - Blanket can be better
00:09:664 (1,2) - ^
00:16:261 (1,2) - Basically, check your blankets again quite a few are off
00:18:692 (7) - I think you should reduce this to a 1/2 slider instead so you can map those triplets on 00:19:126 - . they are quite noticeable, and you mapped the drums out just earlier with those 5 note streams.
00:26:156 (2) - 00:27:372 (2,3,4) - Spacing is so small. I think you can use a larger base spacing here. Actually in this first section of the verse, you use really small spacings... but then you switch to larger spacings with stuff like 00:28:240 (1,2,3) - and then 00:33:969 (1,2,3,1,2) - . It feels like your spacing isn't consistent here and its contributing to a poor structure for this section. It gets better after 00:36:746 - though.
00:47:857 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Again here though, your spacing becomes really inconsistent again/
01:10:599 (2,3) - I think you can space them apart even a bit more so they aren't confused with 1/2 jumps.

Rocket

00:01:331 (1,3) - These blankets can be better

;c

00:06:019 (2,3,4,5) - How about just using a square pattern here? Makes the design look cleaner.
00:14:178 (1) - I don't think a spinner fits here. You have to spin really fast to get a 300 because of the short duration, but the music is really quiet here so I don't think you should make the player do some really fast movement xP. Do some slider art here? xD That way ou can start mapping at 00:15:220 - too.
00:28:760 (2,4) - I think this overlaps the repeat arrow too much. Can you do a different design for slider 4 or something?
00:40:045 (3,1,2) - If you look closely, they aren't even in terms of blanket distance. Move 2 up and right a bit,

~

00:57:926 (2,3) - This jump doesn't really map to anything that impactful... I think normal DS is better.
01:06:259 (2,3,4,5,6) - I don't really get the jumps here. I mean, i guess they work, but if you put jumps here its like "why not put them here, and here and here?, like 01:05:391 (3,1) - for example, is tsill the same spacing,.
01:11:294 (1,2) - Rip blankets.
01:13:377 (2,3,1) - 3>1 should have a larger jump for the vocal's higher pitch imo.
01:16:502 (3,1) - And a jump could work here, if you decide to put a jump for the point above.

Lower diffs look good. But upper diffs could use some work still. Good luck!

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-08-29T00:06:58+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
Insane

00:05:324 (1,2) - Blanket can be better
00:09:664 (1,2) - ^
00:16:261 (1,2) - Basically, check your blankets again quite a few are off Fixed pretty much all of them, to my knowledge
00:18:692 (7) - I think you should reduce this to a 1/2 slider instead so you can map those triplets on 00:19:126 - . they are quite noticeable, and you mapped the drums out just earlier with those 5 note streams. Considered this as well, although as it is it kinda feels awkward. Turned the slider into a circle instead and changed the jumps around. Also tried following the drums instead of the bass notes.
00:26:156 (2) - 00:27:372 (2,3,4) - Spacing is so small. I think you can use a larger base spacing here. Actually in this first section of the verse, you use really small spacings... but then you switch to larger spacings with stuff like 00:28:240 (1,2,3) - and then 00:33:969 (1,2,3,1,2) - . It feels like your spacing isn't consistent here and its contributing to a poor structure for this section. It gets better after 00:36:746 - though. Increased the spacing on these parts to make it a little more consistent, had to make some flow adjustments though
00:47:857 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Again here though, your spacing becomes really inconsistent again/ I tried lower spacing here since the song gets a little calmer, but this was too small I agree, Increased this spacing as well.
01:10:599 (2,3) - I think you can space them apart even a bit more so they aren't confused with 1/2 jumps. I'll change this if other people point this out as well, because for me it looks good the way it is.

Thanks for modding!

Last edited by Kaitjuh 2016-08-31T12:21:43+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-08-29T12:36:12+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
Colorful

00:02:547 (4) - and 00:05:324 (1,2) - . Can you make your rhythm choice more consistent here? I prefer the 1/1 gap, it gives a more interesting rhythm to the song, and allows the players a pause after the vocals. why should it be? this part is accelerating up, so it makes sense for the density to go up too. Besides, there's an additional instrument playing at 00:05:672 (2) -
00:11:401 (2,4) - How about arranging so the repeat isn't covered? I feel this overlap is unnecessary. oops
00:14:352 - You should map the vocals, since it seems you've been following that with your rhythm choice up to here. I follow both the vocals and the instruments. This emphasizes the pause really well
00:18:171 (3,4,6,1) - This just doesn't work... why is there a jump from 3>4 on the blue tick? And this is a simple song, I really don't tihnk 1/4 stream jumps are necessary xP yep. probably too hard lol and it's a bit unnecessary
00:31:104 (7,1) - Here too... there is really no need to have such a large jump here. nerfed a bit but it emphasize the vocal pretty well imo
00:36:399 (4,5) - Same... ^ emphasis. This is not too hard imo.
00:47:336 (3,4) - etc... Accelerating things here. I tried a high DS stream but it's a bit too much. This is easier to play.
01:01:659 (4,1) - ^ b--but this emphasize the start of kiai really well ;__;

Okay I just can't agree with the way 1/4's are being handled at all on this diff, sorry.

Lower diffs look good. But upper diffs could use some work still. Good luck!

Thanks for the mod~~

BEARRR

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HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-08-31T00:48:44+00:00

Fixed all blankets and jumps related things. Decided to keep some placements because they would make the diff harder. ;w;

osu file format v14

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Creator:Kaitjuh
Version:Rocket's Hard
Source:しろくまカフェ
Tags:Shirokuma Polar Bear Cafe Café opening music playlist ミュージック プレイリスト HappyRocket88 estellia- CrystilonZ [_Emillia_]
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Zero__wind

osu! Alumni

3,314 posts

Joined August 2012

Zero__wind 2016-09-13T12:27:40+00:00

NM from my queue, sorry for the huge delay. I actually finished the mod quite some time ago but my new ISP could hardly connect to osu server and I couldn't make this post ;w;

Red: unrankable issues
Purple: highly recommend to fix

General
about the timing, this should be more appropriate imo
the hitsounding in the part from 00:47:857 (1) - to 00:53:412 (1) - in all diffs don't seem so fitting since the drum pattern in the music changed itself. you should try clap at the 3rd white tick in every stanza like 00:48:552 - , instead of clapping at the 2nd and 4th white tick 00:48:204 - 00:48:899 - .

Easy
00:58:968 (1) - the spinner doesn't fit the song really well, and is quite short for a Easy diff, better replace it with circles and sliders
01:07:301 (1) - use 3/2 reverse slider instead like 01:18:412 (1) - ? that seems to match with the song better
01:12:162 (3) - finish on head?

estellia-'s Normal
00:13:657 (3) - short sliders with multipler reverses are not recommended in E/N diffs since beginners won't have enough time to tell how many times the slider will repeat. better reverse once less and add a circle instead
00:19:733 (5) - ^
00:53:933 (2) - whistle at end? as it shares the some sound with 00:54:628 (3) -
01:01:051 (5) - it feels better to make it 1/2 beat shorter since it's apparently following the vocal
01:12:162 (4) - ^ and maybe finish on head
01:26:745 (1) - add whistle?

Rocket's Hard
00:06:019 (2,3,4,5) - I must say it feels weird to suddenly throw away the claps and use keysounds
00:15:220 (1) - you have too few clap/normal sample in this part, there are many points like 00:16:608 - and 00:17:303 - and on which deserve claps
00:28:760 (2,4) - this reversing arrow overlap is really dangerous, can cause unrankable issues, please rework this pattern
00:31:191 (1,2,3) - doesn't flow so good imo, maybe CTRL+H for 2 and move to the left
00:53:065 (6) - feels too weird to end on blue tick, better use 1/2 slider instead and have a jump at 00:53:412 (1) -
01:10:599 (3,4) - similar to above, recommended to use 1/2 sliders instead

Insane
00:30:844 (1) - the NC doesn't seem necessary
01:01:398 (3) - the clap feels quite out of place, there isn't any drumbeat in the music
01:25:009 (3,4,1) - maybe it's only me, but this pattern doesn't flow so smooth
generally good, apart from the overwhelming circular flow

Crystilz's Colorful
sorry I don't really like how all those spaced streams work in this diff, the music doesn't deserve such aggressive mapping imo
if you really want to keep those patterns, please at least avoid having stream jumps at the relatively soft parts like 00:30:844 (4,5,6,7,1) - and 01:01:398 (3,4,1) -
also, many 3/4 sliders like 00:00:984 (3) - 00:09:317 (5) - 00:12:442 (1) - etc. are extended unreasonably, they usually end on the blue ticks where there's nothing in the music while ignoring instruments on the former red tick, like 00:35:705 (2) - and 00:47:857 (1) - . I suggest that you listen carefully and go through the whole map again, get rid of some of those 3/4 sliders which really don't make sense.

that's all for me
good luck

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-09-13T12:54:49+00:00

This sounds familiar lolol

Kagetsu

796 posts

Joined March 2015

Kagetsu 2016-09-14T00:26:46+00:00

Zero__wind wrote:
2kd preserved

>.>

[Crystilz's Colorful]

the way you handle the strong beats (aka downbeats) feels really weird and it's also uncomfortable to play
examples
00:16:174 (8,1) - / 00:21:383 (7,1) - 00:25:549 (11,1) - / 01:01:659 (4,1) - this is mapped like if this was a very technical song but this style just doesn't fit imo, it feels overdone
00:20:253 (10,1) - / 00:53:238 (6,1) - / 00:57:058 (8,1) - these transitions doesn't feel good, stacking them kills the emphasis which those beats need... i think you should rather try to make a jump between these, because keeping the cursor in the same place just doesn't feel good.
00:28:934 (3,4,5) - looks so cramped compared with other 1/2 slider patterns... it breaks the structure :'(
00:27:198 (2,3,4) - i believe you're intended to follow the voice, keeping that in mind, reducing the density around this section might be a better option to properly map it... the current pattern, which is filled with 1/2 jumps just doesn't feel good, because it outshines the strongest beats
00:46:295 (1,2,3,4) - i find this a bit weird, shouldn't be the jump between 00:46:121 (6,1) - larger than 00:46:468 (3,4) - ?.... also, visually speaking, 00:46:642 (4,5) - looks too far from the previous objects which is something that's not really pleasent to look at
01:05:739 (1) - i think an 1/1 slider works better for this type of extended vocal. the voice is louder than the weak beat on 01:05:912 - ...1/1 would be also consistent with the previous 01:02:961 (1) - rhythm
01:09:992 (7,1) - isn't it too far from 01:09:731 (6) - ? looks out of place/messy if we compare it with 01:09:037 (2,3,4) -
01:19:019 (3) - is this whistle intended? it doesn't sound good if we consider that you never used them before

i personally think that the whole diff looks overdone overall... i think it doesn't fit this type of calm song, but yeah, that's only my opinion

[Insane]

00:01:852 (2,3,1) - i guess you could either keep constant ds or move 00:02:547 (1) - farther away in order to emphasize (1). it looks kinda messy as it is now
00:08:970 (1,1) - i don't really get the NC spam here... there's nothing special on 00:08:970 - ... the chord change happens on 00:09:664 -
00:13:657 (1) - the spinner feels out of place imo...there are still vocals (which you were previously mapping) so i think it would be a better to idea to map those beats
00:17:215 (5) - isn't it overmapped? there aren't any sound
00:22:423 (5,7) - same happens here... it feels weird because you're ignoring the actual 1/4 beats 00:22:771 -
00:27:719 (4,5,6,1) - this is just inconsistent if you compare it 00:26:330 (3,1) - which is the same rhythm-wise... the first 00:25:636 (1,2,3,1) - combo looks like if it was mapped like a hard and then 00:27:719 (4,5,6,1) - looks like an extra, which is imbalanced
00:28:240 - it feels weird because you suddenly decided to strictly follow ds from this point... i think you should reconsider your overall spacing, in order to make it a bit more equilibrated
00:35:705 (2,3) - shouldn't be the jump on 00:35:705 (2) - instead? i think it works better that way because of the clap on (2)
00:39:871 (2,3) - stacking feels odd, specially when the vocals are really strong
00:49:593 (1,2,3,4) - i think you could be a bit more consistent with the spacing here
01:12:336 (2,3) - way too undermapped... the music is clearly 1/4
01:10:079 (1,2,3) - you're ignoring a lot of beats here... feels undermapped for a diff like this

i think you should try to balance the spacing usage overall, it feels inconsistent

good luck

CrystilonZ

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Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-09-14T17:25:46+00:00

Kagetsu wrote:
Zero__wind wrote:
2kd preserved
>.>

[Crystilz's Colorful]
the way you handle the strong beats (aka downbeats) feels really weird and it's also uncomfortable to play
examples
00:16:174 (8,1) - / 00:21:383 (7,1) - 00:25:549 (11,1) - / 01:01:659 (4,1) - this is mapped like if this was a very technical song but this style just doesn't fit imo, it feels overdone can you elaborate on this? Saying that it just doesn't fit is not enough for me to fix this properly. Please state how it does not fit and what make it so (in more details ofc). Then I can fix it properly.
00:20:253 (10,1) - / 00:53:238 (6,1) - / 00:57:058 (8,1) - these transitions doesn't feel good, stacking them kills the emphasis which those beats need... i think you should rather try to make a jump between these, because keeping the cursor in the same place just doesn't feel good. I don't consider jumping as the only way to emphasize things. Unusual spacing or even stacking can emphasize things likewise if done accordingly.
00:28:934 (3,4,5) - looks so cramped compared with other 1/2 slider patterns... it breaks the structure :'( again, I need more details. Please also say what make them look cramped and why they look so.
00:27:198 (2,3,4) - i believe you're intended to follow the voice, keeping that in mind, reducing the density around this section might be a better option to properly map it... the current pattern, which is filled with 1/2 jumps just doesn't feel good, because it outshines the strongest beats They are spaced according to the intensity on each note. Spaces between 00:26:851 (1,2,3) - are the shortest; 00:27:372 (3,4) - is a bit longer because of the piano; 00:27:545 (4,5,6) - are jumpy because of the vocals.
00:46:295 (1,2,3,4) - i find this a bit weird, shouldn't be the jump between 00:46:121 (6,1) - larger than 00:46:468 (3,4) - ?.... also, visually speaking, 00:46:642 (4,5) - looks too far from the previous objects which is something that's not really pleasent to look at hola~ fixed~
01:05:739 (1) - i think an 1/1 slider works better for this type of extended vocal. the voice is louder than the weak beat on 01:05:912 - ...1/1 would be also consistent with the previous 01:02:961 (1) - rhythm I think both of them fit x.x because they are virtually the same in actual gameplay, Plus, this is made to be consistent with 01:16:849 (1,2) - . 01:17:197 (2) - represents the bass/guitar thing so 01:16:849 (1) - is shortened.
01:09:992 (7,1) - isn't it too far from 01:09:731 (6) - ? looks out of place/messy if we compare it with 01:09:037 (2,3,4) - This is because (2,3,4) have jumps already, so to emphasize that slider, a larger spacing is needed lol.
01:19:019 (3) - is this whistle intended? it doesn't sound good if we consider that you never used them before LOL nice catch!
i personally think that the whole diff looks overdone overall... i think it doesn't fit this type of calm song, but yeah, that's only my opinion I'm not sure. I can't even pass my diff lol nfweo;nbvo;wngf;w4g. I will see what zero says first~

good luck

Thanks for the mod~

crappy diff

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Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-09-14T17:59:46+00:00

Kagetsu wrote:
[Insane]
00:01:852 (2,3,1) - i guess you could either keep constant ds or move 00:02:547 (1) - farther away in order to emphasize (1). it looks kinda messy as it is now Changed, Also changed 00:05:324 (1) - for consistency
00:08:970 (1,1) - i don't really get the NC spam here... there's nothing special on 00:08:970 - ... the chord change happens on 00:09:664 - I have no idea when that NC happened lol, Changed
00:13:657 (1) - the spinner feels out of place imo...there are still vocals (which you were previously mapping) so i think it would be a better to idea to map those beats The spinner is meant to signify the end of the first part of the introduction and the start of the second part. Because they sound so differently and have to be mapped differently I thought having a spinner as a transition seemed like a good idea. Also, you can hear a sudden stop in the instrumental part during the spinner, I thought that seemed like a nice touch as well.
00:17:215 (5) - isn't it overmapped? there aren't any sound They are mapped on the bass notes, although the first bass note does take up (4) and (5). It is very subtle sounding, so playing a stream like this would be more logical than a slider or an empty gap.
00:22:423 (5,7) - same happens here... it feels weird because you're ignoring the actual 1/4 beats 00:22:771 - Same as above, mapped on the bass notes
00:27:719 (4,5,6,1) - this is just inconsistent if you compare it 00:26:330 (3,1) - which is the same rhythm-wise... the first 00:25:636 (1,2,3,1) - combo looks like if it was mapped like a hard and then 00:27:719 (4,5,6,1) - looks like an extra, which is imbalanced I changed the repeat slider into a slider and circle and nerfed the jumps. I like the pattern/variation though so I want to keep that. Also, as a side note, for consistency I changed 00:38:482 (2,3,4,5) - into a jump section as well.
00:28:240 - it feels weird because you suddenly decided to strictly follow ds from this point... i think you should reconsider your overall spacing, in order to make it a bit more equilibrated Tried matching the spacing with 00:25:636 (1,2,3,4,1) -
00:35:705 (2,3) - shouldn't be the jump on 00:35:705 (2) - instead? i think it works better that way because of the clap on (2) Will change if others point this out as well. As of now I like the pattern.
00:39:871 (2,3) - stacking feels odd, specially when the vocals are really strong I stacked the note to express the vocals, because the circle is mapped on a very short syllable, so it felt logical for me to stack it. Will change if others think it doesn't work as well.
00:49:593 (1,2,3,4) - i think you could be a bit more consistent with the spacing here Agree, but not sure how to tackle this, so I tried something.
01:12:336 (2,3) - way too undermapped... the music is clearly 1/4 Was mapped to the vocals again. I know I have skipped the drums here but I like the vocal pattern, like the one I used in 01:01:051 (1,2,3) -
01:10:079 (1,2,3) - you're ignoring a lot of beats here... feels undermapped for a diff like this The music here has a slight moment of calmness to it imo, also bass sounds are longer here so the undermap is kinda justifed in that sense lol
i think you should try to balance the spacing usage overall, it feels inconsistent

good luck

Thanks for modding! Hope you understand some of my points here xD

Mafumafu

Nomination Assessment Team

3,397 posts

Joined August 2013

Mafumafu 2016-09-26T14:40:08+00:00

M4M from queue.

[Easy]
01:22:578 (2) - This plays quite weird for vocal is snapped 1/2 earlier.

[Normal]
00:13:657 (3) - Do not use multiple reverse slider here. Too hard for newbie players.
00:19:733 (5) - ^ you could use two sliders instead.
00:34:489 (2) - Ctrl+H for better flow.
01:01:051 (5) - End 1/2 earlier for vocal.
01:12:856 (1) - Head hidden too much.
01:26:745 (1) - Too short for Normal.

[Hard]
Apparently the gap between Normal and hard is too large，adding an Advanced diff or nerf the patterns in Hard.
00:09:664 (1) - Hidden too much for Hard.
00:18:692 (4) - remove Clap on head and first reverse
00:24:594 (2) - Do not hide notes like this.
00:27:892 (4,1) - This looks meh. Increasing the space between notes and its blanket. If there is no space, then just change this pattern
00:28:760 (2) - Do not hide reverse arrow
00:57:926 (2,3) - Too large spacing
01:00:010 (1) - Personally such SV changes by redpoints are simply no from me.
01:05:044 (2,1) - Avoid this overlap
01:05:739 (1,5) - Avoid this overlap
01:10:599 (3,4,1) - There are clealy audible drum sounds at 1/2s, 3/4 are unacceptable.
01:14:940 (3) - Do not hide notes like this in Hard
01:23:967 (1,2) - Same as 00:27:892 (4,1) -

[Insane]
00:08:102 (4) - NC
00:08:970 (7) - Ctrl+G and also change the postion of 6 for stacking.
00:19:647 (2) - remove, overmapped
00:36:052 (4,5,6,7,8) - No reason to use such large jumps. No strong vocals, no strong drums.
00:47:163 (4,5,6) - ^ Vocal is 1/1 and the drum is soft.
00:55:496 (4,5,6) - ^ Vocal is quite soft.
00:58:968 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - The drums are in quite differnt intensity, no reason to use equal ds for them
01:04:350 (7) - Drum is really soft, no reason to use such large jumps.
01:10:599 (2) - Add whistle on head.

My biggest concerns:
1. Gap between Normal and Hard is too big.
2. Patterns in Hard and Insane should be polished also there needs to be consistency in hitsounds of Hard.
3. Too many 3/4s are found in the top diff where there are clearly audible sounds 1/2 earlier.

Last edited by Mafumafu 2016-09-27T09:26:05+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Mistariot

Mistariot 2016-09-26T16:36:40+00:00

Hi. How about to "Set Current Position as Preview Point" at 01:00:878 ? It sounds better on Preview menu.

Thanks.

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-09-26T16:38:41+00:00

Mistariot wrote:
Hi. How about to "Set Current Position as Preview Point" at 01:00:878 ? It sounds better on Preview menu.

Thanks.

Already explained this in a prior post

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-09-27T15:17:16+00:00

Most of my 3/4 sliders are used to replace 1/1 rhythm tho orz
Well, there are some that have audible 1/2 rhythm like 00:35:705 (2) - but those are the minority and fit pretty well imo~

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-09-27T15:39:24+00:00

Regraz wrote:
M4M from queue.

[Easy]
01:22:578 (2) - This plays quite weird for vocal is snapped 1/2 earlier. Changed

[Insane]
00:08:102 (4) - NC Applied
00:08:970 (7) - Ctrl+G and also change the postion of 6 for stacking. Applied
00:19:647 (2) - remove, overmapped idk why, but different people tell me to map different things here lol, before this, the bass notes were mapped, but a different mod suggested I mapped the drums instead so I added more notes to map drums properly and now remove the notes bc its overmapped. When listening to the drums its not overmapped, if I were mapping the bass notes it'd be overmapped.
00:36:052 (4,5,6,7,8) - No reason to use such large jumps. No strong vocals, no strong drums. The music actually does get a little more intense as it transitions into the second part of the verse. There's a very subtle but very distinct intsrument that gets louder. I wanted to represent that with larger jumps.
00:47:163 (4,5,6) - ^ Vocal is 1/1 and the drum is soft. Followed drums mostly, Could have added a stream here alternatively, but I decided on using the jumps instead, since this pattern transitions better into the next part imo.
00:55:496 (4,5,6) - ^ Vocal is quite soft. They are actually quite pronounced here, at least over the drums.
00:58:968 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - The drums are in quite differnt intensity, no reason to use equal ds for them The Notes on every (1) increase in intensity so I used that as a foundation for the jumps instead of the drums. Also, the triangles is the only way for me to make them not look terrible lol. Also increasing DS per 3 notes is a nice buildup mechanic imo.
01:04:350 (7) - Drum is really soft, no reason to use such large jumps. They aren't that large honestly
01:10:599 (2) - Add whistle on head. Applied

Although I did not change much, I will take more time and consider changing these options if more people disagree with my points here.

Thanks for modding o/

meant to edit the post above whoops

emilia

893 posts

Joined October 2012

emilia 2016-09-28T11:40:06+00:00

Regraz wrote:
[Normal]
00:13:657 (3) - Do not use multiple reverse slider here. Too hard for newbie players.
00:19:733 (5) - ^ you could use two sliders instead. double slider/1 reverse+circle is very ugly to me, and both are perfectly readable if you just held down on reverse slider
00:34:489 (2) - Ctrl+H for better flow. the flow doesnt change, if anything its an aesthetic problem, and yea i dont like your aesthetic
01:01:051 (5) - End 1/2 earlier for vocal. no, meant for leading into chorus, and the vocal "fu" is still held
01:12:856 (1) - Head hidden too much. no issues, perfectly readable even on HD
01:26:745 (1) - Too short for Normal. if i can get 1000 points with mouse and if AIMod doesnt complain its fine

sigh lmao

NoHitter

osu! Alumni

3,785 posts

Joined June 2009

NoHitter 2016-10-04T16:43:52+00:00

A mod4mod for you

[Easy]
00:28:760 (1,2,3) - Flow's a bit off here. Try maybe this: http://puu.sh/rxyUZ/b0f4a996f8.jpg (Note that you may have to adjust the combo after, a bit)
Other than that, it's alright.

[estellia-'s Normal]
00:01:852 (2) - Try to align this straight with the end of (1) for better flow. http://puu.sh/rxyfS/b7771b8f02.jpg
00:13:657 (3) - I'm on the fence for the use of an even-numbered repeat slider in a Normal. Generally speaking, it's a pretty unintuitive mapping technique and should only be used for very short sliders (1/4 etc.) or if there is a STRONG indication in the music. This slider doesn't fulfill both categories. Ultimately, it falls to you to change it or not. Personally, I think a single slider from 00:13:657 to 00:14:178 would capture the effect you want with this repeat slider as well.
00:19:733 (5) - This is an ok use of an even-numbered repeat slider, in contrast to above.
00:26:330 (2,3) - Align (3) with (2) for a neater pattern? http://puu.sh/rxyF9/84218086b7.jpg
01:19:627 (3,4) - Similar to above. Try maybe http://puu.sh/rxyJC/d60630b3ca.jpg ?
01:21:710 (2) - For this you can try to improve the flow by two ways. Either align it straight like: http://puu.sh/rxyMU/a3d3c65760.jpg OR you can try to lower it a little like: http://puu.sh/rxyOp/1ed068efaf.jpg

[Rocket's Hard]
I get what you're trying to do with the patterning in the start of this diff. I just fear that this is a bit more complex for a Hard with all of the spacing inconsistencies. I could point them out, but it'll ruin your design, so I'll refrain.
00:04:630 (2,3,4) - These objects aren't perfectly symmetrical if you align them. (look at (2) being the center of the sliders) If you want to keep the theme of your map, I suggest you fix this.
00:17:476 (5) - Better flow (and no overlap) if you place this at 149,366
00:25:636 (1) - A triangle pattern looks better IMO. Can I suggest: http://puu.sh/rxxRj/c3375e8490.jpg
00:27:892 (4,5,1) - Move the slider a little more down to avoid that overlap along the edge. Looks neater IMO.
00:37:441 (3) - Move this down and to the right a bit more to avoid that overlap.
00:38:830 (4,5,6) - Honestly, the spacing shift here doesn't make sense from both a musical standpoint and a pattern standpoint. I suggest you rework this pattern to make either all (2,3,4,5,6) equally spaced or at least (4,5,6) equally spaced [they can have different DS from (1,2,3)].
00:41:954 (4) - Again, might as well make this similarly spaced as (2,3) for consistency.
01:24:488 (2) - I feel it's a bit too close to the previous slider. Try moving it downwards and left a bit.

[Insane]
00:00:637 (1,2,3) - There's no real reason for the spacing inconsistency here.
00:01:852 (2,3) - Flow is a bit off. Placing (3) somewhere like 239,439 gives it better flow and also leads to your next combo better.
00:15:220 (3,4) - Flow is a bit off. I would suggest you try more of a symmetrical design here. Like perhaps: http://puu.sh/rxwQK/9b9aad919d.jpg
00:26:156 (2,3,4,1) - Same as above. May I suggest something like: http://puu.sh/rxwYE/b805bc5be9.jpg
00:27:545 (3,4,5) - You can rework this pattern such that (5) is stacked on the slider end.
00:29:628 (5,1) - New combo, Remove NC for consistency here.
00:39:177 (6) - For a tidier pattern, maybe you can move this to either 115,254 to form a triangle with (4) and (5) OR at 35,212 to form a line with (3).
00:42:996 (3) - It's not blanketing the sliderhead properly. Try something like http://puu.sh/rxxef/7d2a5afd5e.jpg maybe?
01:12:162 (1,2,3) - Why is there a spacing inconsistency here

01:17:891 (5) - IMO position this at 462, 222 so that jump is a straight line: http://puu.sh/rxxmb/557f615399.jpg

[Crystilz's Colorful]
00:00:637 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing for no reason at all.
00:04:977 (3) - I think a left-right to right-left flow would fit better here. Move this to 313,357 for symmetry then Ctrl+G: http://puu.sh/rxz9r/acf11130f9.jpg
00:12:442 (1,2,3,4) - Even for accelerated spacing, the gap between (3,4) is too high compared to (1,2) and (2,3). Move (3) down to tone down the jump a bit. If you're concerned about the next combo slider, try placing at 188,73.
00:15:046 TO 00:25:636 -> I recommend you tone down the distance between your 1/4 jumps in combos with no apparent pattern like 00:16:261 (1,2) & 00:17:303 (4,5), among others. Combos like 00:15:046 (1,2) are fine due to the implicit nature of the pattern, but the rest are just adding difficulty for difficulty's sake. It also causes messy spacing inconsistencies like 00:18:171 (3,4,5,6,1), where there all separated by 1/4 but the spacing is TOO dramatically different.
01:01:398 (3,4,1) - I recommend placing the (4) closer to the (1) here. You're still building to the chorus. Save those jumps for the chorus.
01:10:079 (1) - Add a normal sampleset here.
Disclaimer: Note that I abhor difficulties mapped for the sake of being difficult, so sorry

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-04T17:33:30+00:00

NoHitter wrote:
A mod4mod for you

[Easy]
00:28:760 (1,2,3) - Flow's a bit off here. Try maybe this: http://puu.sh/rxyUZ/b0f4a996f8.jpg (Note that you may have to adjust the combo after, a bit) Changed
Other than that, it's alright.

[Insane]
00:00:637 (1,2,3) - There's no real reason for the spacing inconsistency here. The higher spacing flows better into 00:01:331 (1) - imo
00:01:852 (2,3) - Flow is a bit off. Placing (3) somewhere like 239,439 gives it better flow and also leads to your next combo better. This is spaced like this to emphasize the note on 00:02:547 (1) - . Since 00:02:373 (3) - is not mapped on the vocals, its not spaced and shouldnt be spaced further than this for emphasis sake imo
00:15:220 (3,4) - Flow is a bit off. I would suggest you try more of a symmetrical design here. Like perhaps: http://puu.sh/rxwQK/9b9aad919d.jpg Changed
00:26:156 (2,3,4,1) - Same as above. May I suggest something like: http://puu.sh/rxwYE/b805bc5be9.jpg Tried replicating it
00:27:545 (3,4,5) - You can rework this pattern such that (5) is stacked on the slider end. Changed
00:29:628 (5,1) - New combo, Remove NC for consistency here. I wanted to highlight the pattern used here 00:30:149 (1,2,3,1) - Since this occurs many times throughout the song
00:39:177 (6) - For a tidier pattern, maybe you can move this to either 115,254 to form a triangle with (4) and (5) OR at 35,212 to form a line with (3). I honestly don't know how that circle got moved, but yeah it was supposed to be a triangle with (4) and (5)
00:42:996 (3) - It's not blanketing the sliderhead properly. Try something like http://puu.sh/rxxef/7d2a5afd5e.jpg maybe? This was a result of changing a pattern around sloppily lol, Fixed
01:12:162 (1,2,3) - Why is there a spacing inconsistency here Nice catch, Fixed
01:17:891 (5) - IMO position this at 462, 222 so that jump is a straight line: http://puu.sh/rxxmb/557f615399.jpg Changed

Thanks for modding! ^^ /

HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-10-05T15:39:05+00:00

Fixed lots of stuff from mods! Thank you very much for modding! >w<

ALA TA HUUU MIRATE TUUU MITE NO TUUU

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CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-05T16:06:14+00:00

I really don't have time to fix stuff right now, so I will just reply to some part first.

NoHitter wrote:
A mod4mod for you
[Crystilz's Colorful]
00:00:637 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing for no reason at all. I like small spacing inconsistencies like this. They make the map look more dynamic and lively, especially on higher difficulties. I didn't map this arbitrarily though. I wanted to put some emphasis on the 'ful' there, hence the larger spacing.
00:04:977 (3) - I think a left-right to right-left flow would fit better here. Move this to 313,357 for symmetry then Ctrl+G: http://puu.sh/rxz9r/acf11130f9.jpg uh.. no? why?
00:12:442 (1,2,3,4) - Even for accelerated spacing, the gap between (3,4) is too high compared to (1,2) and (2,3). Move (3) down to tone down the jump a bit. If you're concerned about the next combo slider, try placing at 188,73. put it around that spot
00:15:046 TO 00:25:636 -> I recommend you tone down the distance between your 1/4 jumps in combos with no apparent pattern like 00:16:261 (1,2) & 00:17:303 (4,5), among others. Combos like 00:15:046 (1,2) are fine due to the implicit nature of the pattern, but the rest are just adding difficulty for difficulty's sake. It also causes messy spacing inconsistencies like 00:18:171 (3,4,5,6,1), where there all separated by 1/4 but the spacing is TOO dramatically different. idk what exactly causes you and others to have problems with this part. Like, a lot of problems. remapped this part for better flow & visual stuff. Hope this make the part more comfortable to play.
01:01:398 (3,4,1) - I recommend placing the (4) closer to the (1) here. You're still building to the chorus. Save those jumps for the chorus. oops. I didn't see it was that large lol. Slightly nerfed
01:10:079 (1) - Add a normal sampleset here. done
Disclaimer: Note that I abhor difficulties mapped for the sake of being difficult, so sorry my pattern is naturally jumpy lol. I can't do anything about it. Normally i try to reduce the jumps and stuff as much as possible on high BPM songs, but i didn't do that on this diff. That's all.

Idk why people judge this song as being relaxing :v. Well, the vocals are pretty laid-back i guess, but the instruments' sounds are no where near 'relaxing'. Therefore, I try to map according to the song's quirkiness and stuff, but I may go overboard sometimes. Please mention those in your mods o/, I will fix it and/or tone it down if it's too much.

dadada

osu file format v14

[General]
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ArtistUnicode:クラムボン
Creator:Kaitjuh
Version:Crystilz's Colorful
Source:しろくまカフェ
Tags:Shirokuma Polar Bear Cafe Café opening music playlist ミュージック プレイリスト HappyRocket88 estellia- CrystilonZ [_Emillia_]
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Strategas

1,394 posts

Joined July 2013

Strategas 2016-10-11T15:54:36+00:00

[Crystilzl]

00:12:789 (2,3) - you followed vocals all the time but you didn't follow 00:12:963- and followed 00:13:137 (3) - instead for some reason

00:16:782 (3,4,5) - kinda weird that you emphasis the kicks on red ticks more than snares on white ticks which are more important here, the way you did it at 00:21:990 (3,4,5,6,7) - was much better spacing wise

01:25:442 (4,5) - what happened to spacing here

[Insane]

00:09:664 (1,2,1,2,3) - they sound exactly the same but mapped differently lol

00:16:608 - 00:17:303 - 00:19:039 (9,10,11) - etc. adding clap to these snare sounds would be much cooler, pretty much applies to most of the map

00:17:302 (6) - this note could use more emphasis... changing the rhythm here would probably be best as the 5 notes don't really fit in there that well imo, because the sound you followed doesn't existi at 00:17:215 (5)
00:22:423 (5,6) - same

00:59:662 (2,3) - swap hitsounds

01:00:010 (1) - add clap

01:04:350 (7) - should be less spaced, having it same spaced as 01:04:002 (5,6,1) - is kinda weird, because there's almost nothing on it compared to the one's you spaced

01:25:703 - make clickable pls

[Rocket]

what's with the 1.20 sv in the intro?

missing a lot of hitsounds

01:23:967 (1,2,3) - can you move these more further apart? something like this

[estellia]

00:13:657 (3) - pls no more than one repeat, it's too confusing for beginners try something like this

00:19:733 (5) - same

01:26:745 (1,1) - not really recommended for a normal diff too, it's not really unrankable but almost is, mostly because the first spinner is really short

[Easy]

00:06:192 (3) - ds

overall mostly hitsounds could use some more work, now they are missing in a lot of places, or are really too simple
improving them would greatly increase the set quality, after you've done that you can call me

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-11T16:45:02+00:00

Strategas wrote:
[Crystilzl]

00:12:789 (2,3) - you followed vocals all the time but you didn't follow 00:12:963- and followed 00:13:137 (3) - instead for some reason I tried to add some variations instead of repeating the same stuff every room (thus the other stuff). It sounds good for the transition as well >w</

00:16:782 (3,4,5) - kinda weird that you emphasis the kicks on red ticks more than snares on white ticks which are more important here, the way you did it at 00:21:990 (3,4,5,6,7) - was much better spacing wise right. fixed

01:25:442 (4,5) - what happened to spacing here wat LOL XD nice catch!

overall mostly hitsounds could use some more work, now they are missing in a lot of places, or are really too simple
improving them would greatly increase the set quality, after you've done that you can call me

Thanks for the mod >,<

shit pp diff

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Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-11T17:22:07+00:00

Strategas wrote:
[Insane]

00:09:664 (1,2,1,2,3) - they sound exactly the same but mapped differently lol The second "wani" sound is longer so I had to map it like that x). The reason I used a circle at the end of the second pattern is bc it would otherwise leave a gap rhythmically

00:16:608 - 00:17:303 - 00:19:039 (9,10,11) - etc. adding clap to these snare sounds would be much cooler, pretty much applies to most of the map Applied the ones you suggested I'm not sure about using the snares in the rest of the diff except kiai though since they aren't my main focus anymore once the verse starts and they sound a little too aggressive in there.

00:17:302 (6) - this note could use more emphasis... changing the rhythm here would probably be best as the 5 notes don't really fit in there that well imo, because the sound you followed doesn't existi at 00:17:215 (5)
00:22:423 (5,6) - same I tried other methods to map these, but right now I like the current pattern the best. In a part like this where the instrument are really intense, there's not a real dominant instrument imo. Yes the drums are louder than the other instruments, but since this is also the first and only time you hear the bass notes like this, I wanted to highlight that as well. The main problem here is that I don't want to make this part too tricky/difficult and if I remove said notes or emphasize the drums the bass notes become obsolete and I have to switch focus on the drums completely.

00:59:662 (2,3) - swap hitsounds applied, also added a clap on 00:58:968 (1) - I guess, since theres a drum sound here as well

01:00:010 (1) - add clap applied

01:04:350 (7) - should be less spaced, having it same spaced as 01:04:002 (5,6,1) - is kinda weird, because there's almost nothing on it compared to the one's you spaced That's true lol, I turned the jumps into sliders instead for consistency with the second part of the chorus.

01:25:703 - make clickable pls Ctrl+G'd the triple + slider pattern

[Easy]

00:06:192 (3) - ds Whoops, fixed

overall mostly hitsounds could use some more work, now they are missing in a lot of places, or are really too simple basic hitsounding is not incorrect hitsounding imo
improving them would greatly increase the set quality, after you've done that you can call me

Thanks!

Last edited by Kaitjuh 2016-10-11T21:24:44+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

emilia

893 posts

Joined October 2012

emilia 2016-10-11T17:38:13+00:00

none accept

Spork Lover

727 posts

Joined October 2013

Spork Lover 2016-10-11T20:11:51+00:00

I was told to do a hitsounding mod xd I'll probably also find a few very general things (If I can find anything)

General:
I can't seem to find anything, I checked hitsound delay on all files, and they all had no delay xd, bg dimensions etc etc

Easy:

Timing points:
01:01:746 - Why don't you use the S:C1 in the chorus? It's more intense and would probably benefit from having a different clap. (If not S:C1 than maybe something different)

Notes:
01:22:926 - missing clap considering that you added a clap to a white tick reverse on 00:11:401 -

Overall opinion:
Overall the usage of claps sounds a little extreme on the easy probably, but that's more of a personal preference thing lol (half of the claps would be equally acceptable)
The hitsounding is consistent and the skipped ones are obvious enough 'cause red tick sliders lol

Normal:

Timing points:
00:18:055 - volume is way too low, amp the timing point up to like 60% like on the easy diff
00:25:636 - same applies to this (60%)
01:01:746 - Why don't you use the S:C1 in the chorus? It's more intense and would probably benefit from having a different clap. (same as my suggestion on the easy)

Notes:
01:00:010 (3) - I think it would benefit more as a clap

Overall opinion:
The usage of claps is fine on the normal because there's a lot of 1/2's unlike the easy xd

Hard:
Hi rocket <3

Gameplay related:
00:28:760 (2,4) - I'm not a fan of you covering 90% of the reverse arrow with this short of a timeframe xd It becomes very reading based which I don't think is your intention.

01:03:829 (4,1) - There's a pretty weird visual distance here, I'd space these apart a bit more for aesthetic reasons.

Timing points:
00:15:220 - The whole 3/4 section should be louder, a lot of the hitsounds are pretty hard to hear properly

01:00:010 - shouldn't there be a sound like on 00:59:489 - ? I think you're missing an inherited point (SC:86)
Notes:
00:01:679 - missing clap
00:05:845 - missing clap
^ I don't understand why they are not there since the rhythm is basically the same for the first eight measures

00:06:192 - There's not all that much feedback on this and the other piano notes (I would've skipped it if I didn't realize it while pausing through the song lmfao) You probably have to increase the volume on it. (Keysounding is meh by itself and reduces the playability of the map (especially when the volume is low)

00:12:442 - For some reason this is louder than the piano sound from before even though the overall volume is the same (I'd advice making use of audacity for this one <3)

00:19:039 - I feel like some sort of clap would benefit a LOT here

00:25:289 (5) - maybe a clap on the sliderend?

00:25:636 to 00:31:191 - There's not a single clap sound for feedback and I don't think the piano sounds are enough here lol xd It's fine that they're there, but they should be a bit louder and should have a few claps as support.

00:32:927 (1) - remove the drum sample and let the custom clap take over

00:37:788 - add a custom clap

00:41:260 (2) - custom clap plz xd

00:42:302 - to 00:47:163 - There's no custom claps here either, which baffles me a bit 'cause the intensity is basically the same

01:09:731 and 01:15:287 - If you add a custom clap here only in the kiai, then why is it not present in the other spots too?

I like the piano sounds here 'cause they're audible enough, but some consistent claps are important for feedback imo

01:16:155 (2,3) - Here the claps are used in a weird way lol

01:26:745 (1) - The notes are noticeably off in pitch (they need to have a lower pitch (You have to find a different hitsound for that lol)

Insane:

Gameplay wise:
00:10:706 - I'd add a note here so you can add a clap for feedback xd

Notes:
00:17:129 (4,5,6,7,8) - erm, if people don't use default hitsounds, this is gonna suck lol (I won't mention all of them) I'd advice removing the blue tick whistles to all quintuplets where you do this

(Also applies to the whistle for the triples etc.)

Except for that it's consistent, and I didn't find anything too important, but I'd highly advice to get opinions on this diff again after you nerfed the whistles (Any custom skin will make the map insanely loud lol)

EX:
01:12:075 - there's a few whistles too much in spots like this, might apply to more though, but I'm a little confused about how to hitsound these parts, but I'd tone some of them down xd

Good luck~

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-11T20:48:58+00:00

Spork Lover wrote:
I was told to do a hitsounding mod xd I'll probably also find a few very general things (If I can find anything)

General:
I can't seem to find anything, I checked hitsound delay on all files, and they all had no delay xd, bg dimensions etc etc

Easy:

Timing points:
01:01:746 - Why don't you use the S:C1 in the chorus? It's more intense and would probably benefit from having a different clap. (If not S:C1 than maybe something different) I guess the intensity of the drums is the same as the part where I normally used it so you're right xD

Notes:
01:22:926 - missing clap considering that you added a clap to a white tick reverse on 00:11:401 - Added

Overall opinion:
Overall the usage of claps sounds a little extreme on the easy probably, but that's more of a personal preference thing lol (half of the claps would be equally acceptable) I think it's good atm but will check it with other people as well
The hitsounding is consistent and the skipped ones are obvious enough 'cause red tick sliders lol

Normal: Since I did the HS here, I'll apply this as well xD

Timing points:
00:18:055 - volume is way too low, amp the timing point up to like 60% like on the easy diff
00:25:636 - same applies to this (60%)
01:01:746 - Why don't you use the S:C1 in the chorus? It's more intense and would probably benefit from having a different clap. (same as my suggestion on the easy)

Applied the above ^
Notes:
01:00:010 (3) - I think it would benefit more as a clap yeah, my mistake, fixed

Overall opinion:
The usage of claps is fine on the normal because there's a lot of 1/2's unlike the easy xd

Insane:

Gameplay wise:
00:10:706 - I'd add a note here so you can add a clap for feedback xd Mentioned this in the previous mod I think

Notes:
00:17:129 (4,5,6,7,8) - erm, if people don't use default hitsounds, this is gonna suck lol (I won't mention all of them) I'd advice removing the blue tick whistles to all quintuplets where you do this Applied

(Also applies to the whistle for the triples etc.) I dont think there are any

Except for that it's consistent, and I didn't find anything too important, but I'd highly advice to get opinions on this diff again after you nerfed the whistles (Any custom skin will make the map insanely loud lol)

Good luck~

Thanks for modding ^^ /

HappyRocket88

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Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-10-12T11:56:13+00:00

Ouch! /w\ Thank you very much for mods. Kaitjuh, I'm really sorry for being absent lately. I haven't had much time for replying since it's week of midterms 😢 Will reply and do everything at night /w\

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-12T14:34:31+00:00

Zero__wind wrote:
NM from my queue, sorry for the huge delay. I actually finished the mod quite some time ago but my new ISP could hardly connect to osu server and I couldn't make this post ;w;

Red: unrankable issues
Purple: highly recommend to fix

General
about the timing, this should be more appropriate imo The reason for the negative offset is because there's an inherited line in the Colorful difficulty before 1331. Also not too sure about the offsets, since they seem to be off by increments of 1-2ms so I'll have to ask about this further maybe. Applied for now and snapped the timing lines, except for the first timing point
the hitsounding in the part from 00:47:857 (1) - to 00:53:412 (1) - in all diffs don't seem so fitting since the drum pattern in the music changed itself. you should try clap at the 3rd white tick in every stanza like 00:48:552 - , instead of clapping at the 2nd and 4th white tick 00:48:204 - 00:48:899 - . Great observation x), Changed

Easy
00:58:968 (1) - the spinner doesn't fit the song really well, and is quite short for a Easy diff, better replace it with circles and sliders I mapped a spinner to represent the instruments stopping.
01:07:301 (1) - use 3/2 reverse slider instead like 01:18:412 (1) - ? that seems to match with the song better Agree as well, little inconsistency on my part, Applied
01:12:162 (3) - finish on head? I don't hear a cymbal here

estellia-'s NormalGonna be doing the HS mods here
00:13:657 (3) - short sliders with multipler reverses are not recommended in E/N diffs since beginners won't have enough time to tell how many times the slider will repeat. better reverse once less and add a circle instead
00:19:733 (5) - ^
00:53:933 (2) - whistle at end? as it shares the some sound with 00:54:628 (3) - Applied
01:01:051 (5) - it feels better to make it 1/2 beat shorter since it's apparently following the vocal
01:12:162 (4) - ^ and maybe finish on head no cymbal sound
01:26:745 (1) - add whistle? Applied

Insane
00:30:844 (1) - the NC doesn't seem necessary This is a pattern with the other three circles before it. It happens multiple times throughout the diff so wanted to highlight that.
01:01:398 (3) - the clap feels quite out of place, there isn't any drumbeat in the music Removed
01:25:009 (3,4,1) - maybe it's only me, but this pattern doesn't flow so smooth I'll see what other people have to say about this, since this is the first time I'm hearing about this pattern xd, thanks for the suggestion
generally good, apart from the overwhelming circular flow yeahh.. xd

that's all for me
good luck

Thanks for modding! ^^

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Ouch! /w\ Thank you very much for mods. Kaitjuh, I'm really sorry for being absent lately. I haven't had much time for replying since it's week of midterms 😢 Will reply and do everything at night /w\

Take your time xD. midterms have priority obv.
I have applied the new timing to your diff btw, I made sure they make sense with the next inherited point so hope you dont mind xD

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-12T16:00:05+00:00

Changed 3/4 sliders in the calm part (before the kiais) to 1/1.
Nerfed the jump before the kiai a bit more

Thanks for the mod >w<

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HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-10-13T18:15:28+00:00

Fixed everything from mods! Jesus! D: D:

Strategas

1,394 posts

Joined July 2013

Strategas 2016-10-14T23:19:40+00:00

#1

2016-10-14 13:16 Kaitjuh: Hi Strategas~ You told me to call you back after fixing the hitsounds
2016-10-14 13:17 Kaitjuh: They have been updated with a HS mod from Spork and Zero__wind
2016-10-14 13:17 Strategas: hi
2016-10-14 13:17 Kaitjuh: so I was wondering if you could take a look xD
2016-10-14 13:18 Kaitjuh: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/251846 Clammbon - Rough & Laugh TV size]
2016-10-14 13:23 Strategas: 00:25:634 (1) -
2016-10-14 13:23 Strategas: from this section
2016-10-14 13:23 Strategas: can you use the clap from S1 custom
2016-10-14 13:23 Strategas: the default is so not fitting in there
2016-10-14 13:23 Strategas: it sounds cool in kiai
2016-10-14 13:24 Kaitjuh: I feel like the drums are softer in the verse but
2016-10-14 13:24 Kaitjuh: I could change it if you think it'll be better
2016-10-14 13:24 Strategas: or just use something else
2016-10-14 13:24 Strategas: you can copy highest diff
2016-10-14 13:24 Strategas: and just use hit normal on claps instead
2016-10-14 13:25 Strategas: in that section
2016-10-14 13:25 Kaitjuh: ooh
2016-10-14 13:25 Kaitjuh: thats sounds like a good idea
2016-10-14 13:25 Strategas: also your normal guy didn't fix important stuff
2016-10-14 13:25 Kaitjuh: I think I would have to custom clap the normal hitsound right?
2016-10-14 13:26 Kaitjuh: oh right I would have to poke him for that
2016-10-14 13:26 Strategas: you can do that yea
2016-10-14 13:26 Strategas: or just remove clap and use normal
2016-10-14 13:26 Strategas: up to you
2016-10-14 13:26 Strategas: but I guess using custom for the clap is better
2016-10-14 13:26 Kaitjuh: yeah I'll do that
2016-10-14 13:27 Strategas: cuz guys playing without your hitsound will not hear it
2016-10-14 13:27 Strategas: hate that shit
2016-10-14 13:27 Strategas: should be impossible to overwrite maps hitsound
2016-10-14 13:27 Kaitjuh: yeah exactly
2016-10-14 13:28 Kaitjuh: would it be okay to poke you again when I have updated the hitsounds and got the Normal update?
2016-10-14 13:28 Strategas: yea
2016-10-14 13:29 Kaitjuh: Awesome, Thanks ^^
2016-10-14 13:38 Kaitjuh: updated~
2016-10-14 13:38 Kaitjuh: that was way faster than I expected xD
2016-10-14 13:39 Strategas: k I guess I'll do a full recheck
2016-10-14 13:39 Kaitjuh: Alright ^^
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/251846 Clammbon - Rough & Laugh TV size [Easy]]
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: 00:10:880 (3,1) -
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: so um
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: 3/2 gap
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: too hard for noobs
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: 00:02:199 (2,3) -
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: here was fine cuz
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: long break
2016-10-14 13:41 Strategas: but that one is short
2016-10-14 13:42 Kaitjuh: yeah you're right
2016-10-14 13:42 Strategas: 00:27:717 (3,1) -
2016-10-14 13:42 Strategas: same
2016-10-14 13:42 Strategas: just probably use repeats on those
2016-10-14 13:42 Kaitjuh: actually the song has a bunch of them xd
2016-10-14 13:43 Strategas: ye but they aren't that good
2016-10-14 13:43 Strategas: for example
2016-10-14 13:43 Strategas: 00:27:717 (3,1) -
2016-10-14 13:43 Kaitjuh: yeah
2016-10-14 13:43 Strategas: just end it on white tick
2016-10-14 13:44 Strategas: 01:22:403 (3,1) -
2016-10-14 13:44 Strategas: like even if you follow vocals
2016-10-14 13:44 Strategas: the're important sound on the white tick
2016-10-14 13:44 Strategas: and it's an easy
2016-10-14 13:45 Strategas: less confusing and more rhythmic
2016-10-14 13:45 Kaitjuh: true
2016-10-14 13:45 Strategas: mostly easies focus on white ticks
2016-10-14 13:45 Strategas: unless the rhythm is super uncommon
2016-10-14 13:48 Strategas: zz
2016-10-14 13:48 Strategas: hard didn't change the intro sv
2016-10-14 13:51 Kaitjuh: oh yea
2016-10-14 13:52 Kaitjuh: actually doesnt make a lot of sense to have the intro in 1.2 when the more intensepart is 1.0
2016-10-14 13:52 Kaitjuh: xD
2016-10-14 13:53 Strategas: well that's why I mentioned lol
2016-10-14 13:53 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/999436 Clammbon - Rough & Laugh TV size [Insane]]
2016-10-14 13:53 Strategas: 00:24:072 -
2016-10-14 13:53 Strategas: how come you didn't map this one
2016-10-14 13:53 Kaitjuh: I dont hear anything
2016-10-14 13:53 Kaitjuh: wh
2016-10-14 13:53 Strategas: drum?
2016-10-14 13:53 Kaitjuh: Oh thats really soft xD
2016-10-14 13:54 Kaitjuh: I totally couldnt hear it
2016-10-14 13:54 Strategas: alright
2016-10-14 13:54 Kaitjuh: thats why I didnt map it
2016-10-14 13:54 Strategas: kk
2016-10-14 13:54 Strategas: I can hear it pretty well tho xd
2016-10-14 13:54 Strategas: but ok
2016-10-14 13:54 Kaitjuh: it blends pretty well with the music to me
2016-10-14 13:55 Kaitjuh: so I missed it
2016-10-14 13:55 Kaitjuh: should I map it?
2016-10-14 13:55 Strategas: nah
2016-10-14 13:55 Strategas: just asked
2016-10-14 13:55 Strategas: 00:36:050 (4,5) -
2016-10-14 13:55 Strategas: 4 should have more spacing than 5
2016-10-14 13:56 Strategas: 00:48:897 (3) -
2016-10-14 13:56 Strategas: whistle
2016-10-14 13:56 Kaitjuh: I kinda like the equal spacing here
2016-10-14 13:56 Strategas: it's not equal
2016-10-14 13:57 Strategas: 3 to 4 is less spaced
2016-10-14 13:57 Kaitjuh: I meant 234
2016-10-14 13:57 Kaitjuh: xD
2016-10-14 13:57 Strategas: well I get you have the triangle
2016-10-14 13:57 Strategas: but still sucks the way 5 gets all the emphasis when it shouldn't

2016-10-14 13:57 Kaitjuh: yeah
2016-10-14 13:57 Strategas: but if you don't want to change it's also fine
2016-10-14 13:58 Strategas: since atleast it looks good
2016-10-14 13:58 Strategas: just it would be better
2016-10-14 13:58 Kaitjuh: I'm awful at rearranging jumps
2016-10-14 13:58 Kaitjuh: I think it might look worse if I change it
2016-10-14 14:02 Kaitjuh: fixed the 3/2 in easy
2016-10-14 14:04 Strategas: k fix hard and I'll bubble
2016-10-14 14:05 Kaitjuh: Thanks ^^, I'll poke Rocket whenever he's online
2016-10-14 21:47 Kaitjuh: Hi Strategas! The hard diff has been updated.
2016-10-14 22:33 Strategas: ok
2016-10-14 22:35 Strategas: uhh
2016-10-14 22:35 Strategas: overwrite the hitsounds on his diff
2016-10-14 22:35 Strategas: the remapped parts have a lot of missing
2016-10-14 22:36 Kaitjuh: uh lets see
2016-10-14 22:39 Kaitjuh: do you the claps or
2016-10-14 22:39 Kaitjuh: do you mean*
2016-10-14 22:39 Strategas: well yeah
2016-10-14 22:39 Strategas: the whole diff
2016-10-14 22:39 Strategas: has a lot of missing
2016-10-14 22:40 Strategas: would be better if you copied the hitsounds from the highest diff
2016-10-14 22:40 Strategas: or your insnae
2016-10-15 00:14 Kaitjuh: okay took a while
2016-10-15 00:14 Kaitjuh: I was asking Rocket for opinions
2016-10-15 00:14 Kaitjuh: but I updated the diff
2016-10-15 00:15 Kaitjuh: so if you have time, please check it again ><"
2016-10-15 00:17 Strategas: in 15 min
2016-10-15 00:18 Kaitjuh: alright
2016-10-15 00:33 Strategas: still missing tho
2016-10-15 00:33 Strategas: everywhere on the 3rd white tick
2016-10-15 00:33 Strategas: in the intro atleast
2016-10-15 00:34 Strategas: 00:11:401 (2) -
2016-10-15 00:34 Strategas: ds
2016-10-15 00:34 Strategas: dunno whether I should be telling you or him
2016-10-15 00:34 Kaitjuh: I'll fix the ds i guess xD
2016-10-15 00:35 Kaitjuh: I was thinking that I was also not HS'ing the 3rd tick
2016-10-15 00:35 Kaitjuh: but then I realized I mapped sliders that go over the 3rd tick
2016-10-15 00:35 Kaitjuh: on the insane
2016-10-15 00:36 Strategas: 00:17:476 (5) -
2016-10-15 00:36 Strategas: this one too
2016-10-15 00:36 Kaitjuh: I usually have claps on 2nd and 4th and whistles on 1st
2016-10-15 00:36 Strategas: weird that it's 1.30 all of a sudden
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: well that's the default way to hs
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: but that song has every white tick
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: clap
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: or snare
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: lets call it
2016-10-15 00:37 Kaitjuh: then I should change it in the other diffs as well right?
2016-10-15 00:37 Kaitjuh: since I dont have it in the others I think
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: but the other diffs have it
2016-10-15 00:37 Strategas: correctly
2016-10-15 00:38 Strategas: oh actualyl you're right
2016-10-15 00:38 Strategas: just look at the highest diff
2016-10-15 00:38 Strategas: that's how or atleast similar
2016-10-15 00:39 Strategas: should be in the other diffs too
2016-10-15 00:39 Kaitjuh: yea
2016-10-15 00:51 Kaitjuh: ok updated once more
2016-10-15 00:52 Kaitjuh: Rocket is making this really difficult with his custom HS lol
2016-10-15 01:30 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/999436 Clammbon - Rough & Laugh TV size [Insane]]
2016-10-15 01:31 Strategas: not sure if you can
2016-10-15 01:31 Strategas: 00:17:650 (1) -
2016-10-15 01:31 Strategas: but should be spaced a bit more
2016-10-15 01:31 Strategas: 00:20:427 (1) -
2016-10-15 01:31 Strategas: like this one
2016-10-15 01:31 Kaitjuh: o
2016-10-15 01:31 Kaitjuh: I realized I accidentally deleted the bg's
2016-10-15 01:31 Kaitjuh: fml
2016-10-15 01:35 Strategas: LOL
2016-10-15 01:35 Kaitjuh: im so sad now
2016-10-15 01:36 Strategas: 00:29:626 (5,1) -
2016-10-15 01:36 Strategas: swap nc
2016-10-15 01:37 Strategas: 00:40:737 (5,1) -
2016-10-15 01:37 Strategas: same
2016-10-15 01:37 Kaitjuh: I think you mentioned that one before
2016-10-15 01:37 Kaitjuh: or Zero__wind did
2016-10-15 01:37 Strategas: kkkkk
2016-10-15 01:38 Kaitjuh: im still trying to figure out how to space the slider and not make the pattern after that awful
2016-10-15 01:38 Kaitjuh: xD
2016-10-15 01:38 Strategas: 00:47:681 (7,8) -
2016-10-15 01:38 Strategas: claps
2016-10-15 01:39 Kaitjuh: also I wish I'd had backed up my bg's
2016-10-15 01:39 Kaitjuh: >_>
2016-10-15 01:39 Kaitjuh: applied the claps
2016-10-15 01:40 Strategas: 01:24:486 (2,3,4) -
2016-10-15 01:40 Strategas: vs
2016-10-15 01:40 Strategas: 01:25:875 (4,5) -
2016-10-15 01:40 Strategas: misleading if people don't read
2016-10-15 01:40 Strategas: so more spacing on 5
2016-10-15 01:41 Kaitjuh: okay
2016-10-15 01:42 Kaitjuh: I moved it more upwards
2016-10-15 01:42 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1006333 Clammbon - Rough & Laugh TV size [Rocket's Hard]]
2016-10-15 01:42 Strategas: 00:28:758 (2) -
2016-10-15 01:42 Strategas: again weird spacing increase
2016-10-15 01:42 Strategas: same with
2016-10-15 01:42 Strategas: 00:27:543 (3,4) -
2016-10-15 01:43 Kaitjuh: hmm
2016-10-15 01:44 Strategas: 01:10:077 (1) -
2016-10-15 01:44 Strategas: clap on slider end
2016-10-15 01:44 Strategas: 01:10:597 (3) -
2016-10-15 01:44 Strategas: same
2016-10-15 01:44 Strategas: 01:11:292 (1) -
2016-10-15 01:45 Strategas: clap on slider head
2016-10-15 01:45 Kaitjuh: applied
2016-10-15 01:46 Strategas: 01:25:701 (2) -
2016-10-15 01:46 Strategas: spacing zz
2016-10-15 01:46 Kaitjuh: I'll ask him about those
2016-10-15 01:48 Strategas: k tell me after you update hard and insane
2016-10-15 01:50 Kaitjuh: he says they're on purpose
2016-10-15 01:51 Strategas: tell him it looks nasty
2016-10-15 01:51 Strategas: but if he wants to keep them it's also fine
2016-10-15 01:51 Strategas: it's just aesthetic stuff
2016-10-15 01:53 Kaitjuh: okay
2016-10-15 01:54 Kaitjuh: He wishes to keep them
2016-10-15 01:54 Strategas: k
2016-10-15 02:07 Kaitjuh: okay updated
2016-10-15 02:07 Kaitjuh: could you check the pattern at the insane that I changed? 00:17:650 (1) -
2016-10-15 02:10 Strategas: sec
2016-10-15 02:16 Strategas: patern is fine
2016-10-15 02:16 Kaitjuh: okay ^^
2016-10-15 02:17 Strategas: that's it I guess

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2016-10-15T18:19:57+00:00

Hi \:D/

[General]

Kill me if you want, I know some people already mentioned you this, but... umm.. really really, 01:00:962 - this would be the perfect preview point. I saw you said it was mostly personal preference, but this is not a regular song where you can have a favorite specific part and many people would agree with you that is the "best part". This is an anime opening, where listening to the chorus in the preview sound makes people feel excited. As a person who watched the anime myself, I actually didn't remember the song well until I heard the chorus~ But well, at the end of everything, it's still up to you to choose the preview time, so it's fine if you still don't agree orz

[Rocket's Hard]

00:21:468 (3,1) - Not a pretty overlap, I would try to avoid it~
00:38:480 (2,3,4,5,6) - I had a hard time reading this pattern, could you work on it and make it more organized and readable? I just didn't know where to hit in the middle of it~ First I tried to hit (5) instead of (4), after getting it, I tried (6) instead of (5) x.x
Your diff is the only one which doesn't end with a spinner + it's the only which ends at a different time. I'm aware that it's not mandatory to follow this consistency among all the diffs, but hey, even the other guests end the map similarly to the mapset owner, so it would be cool of you do too~

[Crystilz's Colorful]

01:01:657 (4,1) - What about making the jump between these note 3.0x for a stronger emphasis on that first kiai burst and chorus intro?
Nice as always, sweetie :3

Call me back once you're done with your replies! \:3/

lit120

3,276 posts

Joined August 2013

lit120 2016-10-15T18:28:55+00:00

ho? was about to mod this, but since i saw a bubble here, i'll just leave 2 stars here instead =w=/

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-15T19:05:54+00:00

ezek wrote:

Hi \:D/ Heeeey o/

[General]
Kill me if you want, I know some people already mentioned you this, but... umm.. really really, 01:00:962 - this would be the perfect preview point. I saw you said it was mostly personal preference, but this is not a regular song where you can have a favorite specific part and many people would agree with you that is the "best part". This is an anime opening, where listening to the chorus in the preview sound makes people feel excited. As a person who watched the anime myself, I actually didn't remember the song well until I heard the chorus~ But well, at the end of everything, it's still up to you to choose the preview time, so it's fine if you still don't agree orz
Yeah, so my preference is not really liked by the majority xD. I guess im gonna have to deal with the Preview BG not matching up with the chorus ><

Call me back once you're done with your replies! \:3/

Thanks! Will change the preview point when the 2 diffs are updated!

lit120 wrote:
ho? was about to mod this, but since i saw a bubble here, i'll just leave 2 stars here instead =w=/

Oops, I forgot to mention to you it got bubbled in the meantime, sorry xD

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-15T19:16:25+00:00

ezek wrote:

Hi \:D/

[General]
Kill me if you want, I know some people already mentioned you this, but... umm.. really really, 01:00:962 - this would be the perfect preview point. I saw you said it was mostly personal preference, but this is not a regular song where you can have a favorite specific part and many people would agree with you that is the "best part". This is an anime opening, where listening to the chorus in the preview sound makes people feel excited. As a person who watched the anime myself, I actually didn't remember the song well until I heard the chorus~ But well, at the end of everything, it's still up to you to choose the preview time, so it's fine if you still don't agree orz Totally disagree with this paragraph right here, especially the very first words :O. Killing ezek is just out of the question when i'm around >w</
[Crystilz's Colorful]
01:01:657 (4,1) - What about making the jump between these note 3.0x for a stronger emphasis on that first kiai burst and chorus intro? lol lots of opinions about this particular spot. Gonna go with 2.5x(0.75SV) and 2.5x(1.00SV). 3.0x will make players furious lol
Nice as always, sweetie :3 nah this is not that good >//<
Call me back once you're done with your replies! \:3/

Replyezek

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[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:7.5
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9.2
SliderMultiplier:1.7
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
Video,0,"opto.flv"
0,0,"BEARRRRR.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Combo2 : 161,182,229
Combo3 : 125,226,120
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HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-10-15T19:19:20+00:00

ezek wrote:
[Rocket's Hard]
00:21:468 (3,1) - Not a pretty overlap, I would try to avoid it~ Tried but this is way intentional. As it doesn't affect gameplay-wise I don't think it's relevant to change it.
00:38:480 (2,3,4,5,6) - I had a hard time reading this pattern, could you work on it and make it more organized and readable? I just didn't know where to hit in the middle of it~ First I tried to hit (5) instead of (4), after getting it, I tried (6) instead of (5) x.x AHHHHHHHHH I ctrl+g'ed 4 and 5 to make it more simple to catch 5 and 6 since those are the beats which deserve the jump emphasis. :3
Your diff is the only one which doesn't end with a spinner + it's the only which ends at a different time. I'm aware that it's not mandatory to follow this consistency among all the diffs, but hey, even the other guests end the map similarly to the mapset owner, so it would be cool of you do too~. Yeee; however, as you've already said it, I found it quite questionable to end the diff here 01:28:826 - instead since the cymbal doesn't play along with the piano sound of the song, hence ending it here 01:29:523 - wouldn't fit well according to what the song offers.

Thank you very much for modding! >w<

Panda-kun is excited

Kaitjuh

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Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-15T19:26:44+00:00

updated all!

ZekeyHache

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ZekeyHache 2016-10-15T21:31:15+00:00

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-10-15T21:34:52+00:00

!!!!!!!!

Spork Lover

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Spork Lover 2016-10-15T21:42:11+00:00

GRATZ!!!

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2016-10-15T21:43:38+00:00

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Grats for first! Quagsire

Complete Shirokuma set \o/

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_DT3

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_DT3 2016-10-15T21:48:23+00:00

Holy, gratz Kaitjuh!

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-10-15T22:20:44+00:00

Thank you guys!

Sonnyc

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Sonnyc 2016-10-16T03:18:28+00:00

Really cool Expert diff!

-NanoRIPE-

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-NanoRIPE- 2016-10-16T03:37:17+00:00

Grats ~

Kyouren

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Kyouren 2016-10-16T04:44:52+00:00

Gratzz for your first ranked map >w</

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2016-10-18T21:15:31+00:00

Sonnyc wrote:
Really cool Expert diff!

eee >///< thanks!
First GD ranked XD

Doyak

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Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-10-19T10:09:49+00:00

Hello everyone, I think we can discuss some things before we keep going.

[General]
* The BG used for Easy/Normal/Insane looks pretty bad. It's pretty much blurred, and it hurts my eyes a lot. The ones on the other diffs aren't that HD-ish too, but at least those are better. I think you can search for some more to use a better one.

[Easy]
* 01:01:744 (1) - This is the only 3/1 slider you used for all the same sounds. Any reason for that?
* 01:12:854 (1,2) - Also this is the only one you used this rhythm. All others are 3/2 reverse slider + 1/1 slider, but only this one has the opposite. Both fits the song, but in this case only this one is different than others so it loses consistency.

[estellia-'s Normal]
* 01:01:049 (5) - This slider isn't exactly following anything, so I don't see why this slider should be extended like this. The vocal sounds are at 01:01:049 - 01:01:223 - 01:01:396 - and not on 01:01:570 - , and 01:01:570 - is only where the drum starts. So basically this slider is following multiple things with no reason.
* 01:06:431 (4) - Here doesn't have any strong sounds, and if you delete this, you will be able to represent the difference than 01:03:653 (4) - having a vocal sound. Same for 01:17:542 (4) -
* 01:12:160 (4,1) - This overlap is relatively much deeper than all other overlaps you have used, therefore it looks a bit inconsistent with other overlaps.
* 01:26:743 (1,1) - It's hard for Normal players to expect that there can be another spinner right after a spinner, and both spinners are short. They need more time to actually realize that the second spinner has started. So I'd rather recommend to put a circle 01:26:743 - here, remove the first spinner, and put the last spinner start on 01:27:784 - .

[Rocket's Hard]
* 00:21:815 - You have represented all the important drum sounds before this one, why not use a 1/1 slider and a circle instead? Also when you reach 00:22:857 (2) - here, the note density is extremely reduced while the song is pretty consistent (it actually has even more drums).
* 00:27:543 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Why the DS here is inconsistent?
* 00:35:876 (3,4,5) - The strong sounds are on 00:36:050 - 00:36:397 - so it's weird to click on offbeats instead. Why not use something like http://puu.sh/rO7zR/46fe98bedb.jpg ?
* 00:50:633 (1) - Maybe this is good for aesthetics, but there's nothing that can be extended to the red tick. I mean, the vocal has ended much earlier already, and there's really big sound on 00:50:980 - so it makes me wonder what made you to extend it over that point.
* 00:53:931 (2,3) - 00:57:924 (2,3,4) - These jumps are pretty much sudden because the map is generally little-DS based and most notes are ds-snapped, but those jumps are just wheeee~ jump while the sound isn't that large compared to other important sounds. If there was a structure to the jumps then I could understand, but in this case you can simply reduce the spacing and it'll not hurt anything.
* 01:06:257 (2,3,4,5,6) - 01:17:368 (2,3,4,5,6) - You can probably justify these jumps by "Each note has strong sounds" logic, but what I can say about this is that you're trying to put very different sounds into one jump pattern. So to say, there's nothing that discriminates "this jump is for vocals" and "this jump is for the drums". For me, it's just being there for a star shape. Consider looking for a better pattern that can represent each of the sounds efficiently.
* 01:22:403 (1,2,3,4) - You have made the vocals clickable pretty nicely 01:21:187 - 01:21:535 - 01:21:708 - but when you get here, it suddenly is reversed by not clicking 01:23:097 - 01:23:444 - . You can try http://puu.sh/rO82X/226984c280.jpg

[Insane]
* 00:13:657 (1) - I think it would be more reasonable to finish the spinner on 00:14:699 - because there is where the last vocal is. I see it kinda disappears at around the downbeat, but leaving a 1/2 gap between the next note only because of that only hurts the gameplay. Also why a clap there while there's no effective sound at all?
* 00:19:386 (1,2,3) - What's your reason behind the choice of this spacing of 1/4s? All other non-stacked 1/4s have 1.0x spacing and this just seems inconsistent with them.
* 00:36:050 (1) - An NC would emphasize what you put jumps for better. I think it's more needed at least than 00:30:147 (1,1) - these which are only for the shapes.
* 00:46:379 - 00:47:595 - pretty good drum sounds you could have considered representing. You don't need to undermap those sounds, it rather makes it not following the song fully, but only a portion of it.
* 01:00:528 (1,2,3) - I don't see why this would be triplet. The "real" 1/4 drum sound is at 01:00:442 - , just like the hardest difficulty did. Overmapping non-existent 1/4s while undermapping some real 1/4 sounds doesn't make sense imo.
* 01:25:354 (1,2,3) - Same here. You overmapped 1/4s while ignoring actual 1/4 beats 01:25:267 - 01:25:441 -

[Crystilz's Colorful]
* 00:25:547 (10,1) - I can see the 1/4 jumps are the concept of this map, so I won't point out that circle-to-object spaced 1/4s are really really intense to play. I can see some reasonable size of jumps like 00:16:174 (7,1) - can be played pretty naturally, but 00:25:547 (10,1) - this jump totally went overboard. Not only the distance, but it also has a sharp flow angle. I highly recommend you to reduce it a lot. I think 00:16:174 (7,1) - this is maximum unless this is like a 7* map. Even 00:18:604 (7,1) - is too large as well imo.

Hope you would consider these points!

Kaitjuh

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Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-19T11:48:19+00:00

Doyak wrote:
Hello everyone, I think we can discuss some things before we keep going.

[General]
* The BG used for Easy/Normal/Insane looks pretty bad. It's pretty much blurred, and it hurts my eyes a lot. The ones on the other diffs aren't that HD-ish too, but at least those are better. I think you can search for some more to use a better one. It is honestly quite difficult, looking for a good BG from this anime, because it's relatively unpopular. The current bg is from the last scene of the opening theme itself (although the video has a different season on it) and its supposed to be like that. The reason the other BG's arent that "HD" is because they're actual screencaps from the anime itself.

[Easy]
* 01:01:744 (1) - This is the only 3/1 slider you used for all the same sounds. Any reason for that? seems weird this is the only 3/1 right xD, I can change this no problem.
* 01:12:854 (1,2) - Also this is the only one you used this rhythm. All others are 3/2 reverse slider + 1/1 slider, but only this one has the opposite. Both fits the song, but in this case only this one is different than others so it loses consistency. I could change the ones after it to match.

[Insane]
* 00:13:657 (1) - I think it would be more reasonable to finish the spinner on 00:14:699 - because there is where the last vocal is. I see it kinda disappears at around the downbeat, but leaving a 1/2 gap between the next note only because of that only hurts the gameplay. Also why a clap there while there's no effective sound at all? That is true lol. I can fix this
* 00:19:386 (1,2,3) - What's your reason behind the choice of this spacing of 1/4s? All other non-stacked 1/4s have 1.0x spacing and this just seems inconsistent with them. A slider triple with 1,0 doesnt look good to me at all for some reason. Also didnt want to stack them since I wanted to incorporate a little more movement because of the increased spacing after. Another slider like this can be found here 01:07:125 (7,8,1) -
* 00:36:050 (1) - An NC would emphasize what you put jumps for better. I think it's more needed at least than 00:30:147 (1,1) - these which are only for the shapes. I think this is perfectly readable without the NC, I NC'ed the other pattern because I think its looks aestetically better / paired with the vocals.
* 00:46:379 - 00:47:595 - pretty good drum sounds you could have considered representing. You don't need to undermap those sounds, it rather makes it not following the song fully, but only a portion of it. I like to think it follows the song well, Also the drum on 00:46:379 - I honestly couldn't hear at all, until you pointed it out xD. The reason I used jumps + triple instead of a burst stream was explained in another mod, but basically I didnt want to enter the next secton of music with a stream, because I think thats too intense.
* 01:00:528 (1,2,3) - I don't see why this would be triplet. The "real" 1/4 drum sound is at 01:00:442 - , just like the hardest difficulty did. Overmapping non-existent 1/4s while undermapping some real 1/4 sounds doesn't make sense imo. damn, I really like this pattern x(
* 01:25:354 (1,2,3) - Same here. You overmapped 1/4s while ignoring actual 1/4 beats 01:25:267 - 01:25:441 - I don't hear anything on 01:25:267 - personally, the pattern used to be a cricle-circle-slider pattern, but had to Ctrl+G it since 01:25:701 (3) - wouldnt have been clickable while being the strongest beat so I changed it.

Hope you would consider these points!

Thanks for modding!

I'll wait for the others to respond.

Last edited by Kaitjuh 2016-10-19T12:05:25+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

emilia

893 posts

Joined October 2012

emilia 2016-10-19T12:00:36+00:00

Doyak wrote:
[estellia-'s Normal]
* 01:01:049 (5) - This slider isn't exactly following anything, so I don't see why this slider should be extended like this. The vocal sounds are at 01:01:049 - 01:01:223 - 01:01:396 - and not on 01:01:570 - , and 01:01:570 - is only where the drum starts. So basically this slider is following multiple things with no reason. if you were to look at 01:12:160 (4) - you can see that these "extended" sliders are there for leading in, as with this slider, its meant to lead into the kiai/chorus
* 01:06:431 (4) - Here doesn't have any strong sounds, and if you delete this, you will be able to represent the difference than 01:03:653 (4) - having a vocal sound. Same for 01:17:542 (4) - theres a piano, and i also like its consistency with the previous section which has similar rhythm, not just the vocal has to be similar
* 01:12:160 (4,1) - This overlap is relatively much deeper than all other overlaps you have used, therefore it looks a bit inconsistent with other overlaps. and wheres the issue with a little bit of inconsistency
* 01:26:743 (1,1) - It's hard for Normal players to expect that there can be another spinner right after a spinner, and both spinners are short. They need more time to actually realize that the second spinner has started. So I'd rather recommend to put a circle 01:26:743 - here, remove the first spinner, and put the last spinner start on 01:27:784 - . i want to say that normal players arent braindead, i'm pretty sure they can follow a double spinner right after one another, but i will consider making them just 1 spinner. i just wanted them to be split for the hitsound in the middle

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-19T12:19:14+00:00

@Kaitjuh: 01:00:528 (1,2,3) - still want some musical justification. Also, 01:25:267 - this drum sound is pretty clear in my ears(the hardest diff also heard that), and there are alternatives you can try. http://puu.sh/rOdIl/7ba8c47d78.jpg or just use all circles why not? It would be cool if fill 01:25:267 - this beat out as well and make http://puu.sh/rOdLy/e818d8bd86.jpg

@[ Emillia ]: Being inconsistent is breaking the map's own structure. Why do you need to hide more than half of the click spot when you can easily make it more clear and consistent? Deep overlaps are not recommended in easier diffs as well.

Kaitjuh

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Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-19T13:32:15+00:00

Doyak wrote:
@Kaitjuh: 01:00:528 (1,2,3) - still want some musical justification. Also, 01:25:267 - this drum sound is pretty clear in my ears(the hardest diff also heard that), and there are alternatives you can try. http://puu.sh/rOdIl/7ba8c47d78.jpg or just use all circles why not? It would be cool if fill 01:25:267 - this beat out as well and make http://puu.sh/rOdLy/e818d8bd86.jpg Changed the second one, but the first one is kinda tricky to change since I won't be able to make the 1/1 between 01:00:702 (6,1) - look anywhere near decent enough, since the triple helped decrease momentum so the 1/1 didnt look as bad. Do you maybe have a suggestion for this pattern?

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

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Joined April 2010

Deif 2016-10-19T13:37:58+00:00

The mapper is willed to apply some changes before the beatmap gets ranked. Now it's your chance to do it.

Good luck!

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-19T13:44:12+00:00

I'd usually go with something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6358930 , but it's up to you how you'll connect this to the next notes.

Kaitjuh

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Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-19T13:49:57+00:00

Doyak wrote:
I'd usually go with something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6358930 , but it's up to you how you'll connect this to the next notes.

Had this in mind as well, along with a few others xD. I guess I'll do this one then, since it looks the best imo as well.

Now we wait for Rocket and Crystilon

HappyRocket88

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Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-10-19T14:41:59+00:00

Doyak wrote:
[Rocket's Hard]
* 00:27:543 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Why the DS here is inconsistent? For aesthetic purposes, I think it's way more readable if the overlaps were avoided here so the way players approach the whole pattern will be more catchy.
* 01:06:257 (2,3,4,5,6) - 01:17:368 (2,3,4,5,6) - You can probably justify these jumps by "Each note has strong sounds" logic, but what I can say about this is that you're trying to put very different sounds into one jump pattern. So to say, there's nothing that discriminates "this jump is for vocals" and "this jump is for the drums". For me, it's just being there for a star shape. Consider looking for a better pattern that can represent each of the sounds efficiently. I understand what you mean, but what about the start patterns I did at the beginning? o: Both represent the same pitch of the music (vocals+drums) . Hence, it won't be a big problem when players play these patterns since the star shapes are readable for them and do not represent "random jumps" here.

Rest of it was fixed! Thank you very much! >w<)7

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2016-10-19T14:57:57+00:00

00:18:691 (1) - was my mistake alright lol. I didn't use DS for these stuff ~~because i'm lazy~~. Decreased to ~2.3
00:25:634 (1) - is this that large? aaaa idk i can't play it well lol. probably is. decreased to ~2.5 like 01:01:744 (1) -

da fix

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edit :

Fix #2 Rip eyesight

osu file format v14

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Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-19T16:28:19+00:00

updated all~

We're ready to go again!

Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2016-10-21T05:18:28+00:00

just hopping in before you get this re-quali'd to drop a few points on the top diff
also, your diffs are pretty solid Kaitjuh, good job~

[Stream Jumps on a Calm Song]

Your stream DS when the stream jumps first start is always a DS of approximately 1.0, but the jump itself ranges from 2.12 to 2.52. Why is this not consistent? Additionally, I think that a stream jump in places like 00:25:287 (7,8,9,10,1) - here or maybe even here 00:47:595 (4,5,6,1) - is justified due to the significant changes in music, but what difference is there between 00:15:914 (4,5,6,7,1) - and 01:12:507 (1,2,3,4,1) - that makes the first (which is less intense and not a lead in to a chorus) have a stream jump whereas the second (which is more intense and does lead in to a chorus) does not? Overall, stream jumps are a great tool for increasing the technical difficulty of the map slightly and also emphasizing certain notes, but when you over use them (like on this map) they end up losing their intensity and intended purpose. I may be in the minority here, but I definitely wanted to mention these because I think they decrease the difficulty of a difficulty that has a lot of creativity to take advantage of.
00:00:984 (3,1) - This would look significantly better if you rearranged it to be in the center of the three notes.
^
00:02:547 (4) - You should possibly give this slider more spacing or change it up from the previous two to emphasize the significantly raised pitch in vocals. Right now it just seems like nothing changes w/ the vocals which is not the case at all.
00:02:547 (4,1) - Not a huge fan of this stack since the music is still doing something in the background, essentially. The patterning you've chosen right now kind of stunts the momentum in a weird way.
00:03:415 (3,4) - Decrease the spacing here, the song is super calm and your current spacing is reflective of other parts in the map such as 01:14:938 (5,6) - 01:16:847 (1,2) - .
00:04:630 (2,3) - Same here.
00:05:324 (1) - Give this one more emphasis in some way due to the vocal pitch change again. Remember to make your spacing be consistent and reflective of the first time this pattern arose in the music.
00:05:324 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Are you mapping to bass or vocals? If you're mapping to vocals still you need to un-NC the 1 and NC the 2 instead. If you're following the bass your spacing 00:06:192 (6,7,8) - here should be decreasing instead of increasing due to the pitch shift downwards.
00:06:540 (8) - I'd rotate this 45 degrees in place to decrease the spacing to the next note (because it needs a slight nerf) and to also make the flow a tiny bit better.
00:07:408 (2,3,4) - Give this a slight spacing nerf as well. This is the opening, its not intense at all.
00:10:012 (2,3,4) - Change the pattern here to something thats a bit less linear, flow-wise. Personally I liked this. (The reason you should do this is the current arrangement is a bit more difficult and therefore less fitting for the current calmness of the song with your current spacing).
^
00:10:880 (1,2,3) - Hello kiai spacing how are you? Definitely nerf this.
00:15:046 (1,2) - After those huge calm-jumps this almost feels like an Easy diff.
00:16:782 (3,4,5,6) - This plays like a weirdly malformed square, but if you move the 6 to x288 y231 that helps even out the pattern by making that curve more rectangular.
00:17:997 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is super duper un-intuitive. When players do a back and forth jump they'll normally expect to go back to the same or a similar place, not closer then where they started and then immediately into a stream that stacks on to where they started. I think you'd solve a lot if you just made the 4 start on the 2 or something along that line, as what you have now could definitely be optimized.
00:20:080 (4,5,6) - I'd move this a bit farther to the right because while I like the emphasis you're giving to 00:20:427 (1) - I think its too much with the current positioning of 4,5,6.
00:22:857 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Why? What was the reasoning behind this? What are you emphasizing by having harsh flow from each triple to the next? What benefit are you gaining from having it curve inward rather than outward like one would expect?
00:24:245 (2,3) - Nerf this, this is really large and emphasizing nothing in particular.
00:25:287 (7,8,9,10,1) - I'm not overly happy with the positioning of 1 here. Based on your stream's curve the player will expect the 1 slider's head to be closer to x107 y120 or farther to the right. Here goes a quick way to check, look below!
^
00:25:634 (1,2) - Based on previous patterns this basically reads as a 1/4th snap and not a 1/2. Very deceptive. (It's also getting like 0 emphasis.)
At some point you basically start stacking all your triples. Decide between stacked or unstacked and then make the map consistent.
00:30:842 (4,5,6,7,1) - Wait this is a stream jump? What are you emphasizing? The pitch jump in the vocals? It's rather smooth, also this doesn't even really look like a stream jump at first glance, it looks like a 4 note burst and a 1/2 note. (Though to be honest this stream jump probably plays the best out of all of them due to your angles here.)
I think all the points I've mentioned thus far can be applied until the kiai via self modding. Just look for spacing issues or parts that are larger than the kiai in this section, and then if you find one, ask if it's justified.
01:01:396 (3,4,1) - I'm surprised I was able to read this when I was playing it in qualified, because it definitely looks like a 1/3rd pattern with really bad DS. Change it up somehow to be more inherently obvious (mainly because its also unique to this one spot. 00:47:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - is different due to your spacing patterns).
01:11:813 (2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like a huge emphasis opportunity is missed here by having the stream DS 1.0 still. This is more intense and you should emphasize that with a higher DS! I do like the patterning here, though.
01:25:180 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same here.
I got a bit lazy after the first 30 seconds because the mod becomes entirely repetition and I think you're capable of self-modding the parts that reappear a few times. Overall I don't expect you to apply much of this so my goal was mainly to make my points understandable so you can learn and avoid some of these issues in the future. Hopefully it helps you, regardless!

Good luck Kaitjuh!

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-21T06:54:00+00:00

Cryptic wrote:
just hopping in before you get this re-quali'd to drop a few points on the top diff
also, your diffs are pretty solid Kaitjuh, good job~

[Stream Jumps on a Calm Song]
Your stream DS when the stream jumps first start is always a DS of approximately 1.0, but the jump itself ranges from 2.12 to 2.52. Why is this not consistent? Additionally, I think that a stream jump in places like 00:25:287 (7,8,9,10,1) - here or maybe even here 00:47:595 (4,5,6,1) - is justified due to the significant changes in music, but what difference is there between 00:15:914 (4,5,6,7,1) - and 01:12:507 (1,2,3,4,1) - that makes the first (which is less intense and not a lead in to a chorus) have a stream jump whereas the second (which is more intense and does lead in to a chorus) does not? Overall, stream jumps are a great tool for increasing the technical difficulty of the map slightly and also emphasizing certain notes, but when you over use them (like on this map) they end up losing their intensity and intended purpose. I may be in the minority here, but I definitely wanted to mention these because I think they decrease the difficulty of a difficulty that has a lot of creativity to take advantage of. nah you're the majority. People really hate these 1/4 jumps but I like it lol. Will reply to this case by case later
00:00:984 (3,1) - This would look significantly better if you rearranged it to be in the center of the three notes. uhh no. I want to make that slider have some sort of stacked feeling. Players simply don't follow 00:00:984 (3) - to the tail, just half way through.
^
00:02:547 (4) - You should possibly give this slider more spacing or change it up from the previous two to emphasize the significantly raised pitch in vocals. Right now it just seems like nothing changes w/ the vocals which is not the case at all. sounds really excessive to me. I prefer the spacing being equal though; imo it's more comfortable to play
00:02:547 (4,1) - Not a huge fan of this stack since the music is still doing something in the background, essentially. The patterning you've chosen right now kind of stunts the momentum in a weird way. the hardly audible hi-hat? I don't think mapping that is a good idea. Btw the momentum break is intentional to emphasize the vocal pause.
00:03:415 (3,4) - Decrease the spacing here, the song is super calm and your current spacing is reflective of other parts in the map such as 01:14:938 (5,6) - 01:16:847 (1,2) - . sure
00:04:630 (2,3) - Same here. 2.4 is fine for me. Trying to give them some accelerating mood
00:05:324 (1) - Give this one more emphasis in some way due to the vocal pitch change again. Remember to make your spacing be consistent and reflective of the first time this pattern arose in the music. the reason is mentioned above
00:05:324 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Are you mapping to bass or vocals? If you're mapping to vocals still you need to un-NC the 1 and NC the 2 instead. If you're following the bass your spacing 00:06:192 (6,7,8) - here should be decreasing instead of increasing due to the pitch shift downwards. oops xd
00:06:540 (8) - I'd rotate this 45 degrees in place to decrease the spacing to the next note (because it needs a slight nerf) and to also make the flow a tiny bit better. flow break there is intentional for emphasizing stuff
00:07:408 (2,3,4) - Give this a slight spacing nerf as well. This is the opening, its not intense at all. raising the DS due to the change in vocal pitch + its intensity. It's not that hard though from testplays i got

Ok, before I continue doing this, I want to mention something. I don't use these stuff anymore because modders hate it a lot, even though I like it.
Crys sits on a couch in front of a fireplace with a hardcover book opened and puts his glasses on
Long ago I used something like "relative spacing" so the DS tends to go up and down A LOT in the same section. I cared for the "overall" spacing of each section, making sure it reflects the intensity properly, but for each note, some spacing may go so high that it sticks out so much and feels as if doesn't belong to this part, as modders said. Imo this is fun to play as you feel the excitement of the song building up at 00:06:887 (1) - on ward or the difference between 00:40:043 (3,4) - and 00:41:258 (2,3,4) -, or how that freaking 4+x combo breaker jump on 00:36:657 (5,1) - makes the transition there stands out, or even the shit pp jump at 00:58:966 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2) - (tbh I hadn't had any prior knowledge about how pp system works since i'm just a mediocre player xd. I knew after people told me that this was a pp jump)

Btw I used a lot of flow breaks in this map, so the flow might looks shitty xd, partly because i suck, but some of them are intentional.

Cryptic wrote:
00:10:012 (2,3,4) - Change the pattern here to something thats a bit less linear, flow-wise. Personally I liked this. (The reason you should do this is the current arrangement is a bit more difficult and therefore less fitting for the current calmness of the song with your current spacing). sry but I don't like the straight-flow-onto-straight-slider configuration. purely my preference
^
00:10:880 (1,2,3) - Hello kiai spacing how are you? Definitely nerf this. fine thanks! nerfed a bit00:15:046 (1,2) - After those huge calm-jumps this almost feels like an Easy diff. uhh I really don't understand the point here. Do you want me to add more notes? absolutely no. I don't like overmapping stuff, and I even tend to skip some notes even in Extra.00:16:782 (3,4,5,6) - This plays like a weirdly malformed square, but if you move the 6 to x288 y231 that helps even out the pattern by making that curve more rectangular. hmm idk. I want 00:17:303 (6) - to stand out a bit somehow since it's following the base. Right now it's emphasized with a larger spacing.00:17:997 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is super duper un-intuitive. When players do a back and forth jump they'll normally expect to go back to the same or a similar place, not closer then where they started and then immediately into a stream that stacks on to where they started. I think you'd solve a lot if you just made the 4 start on the 2 or something along that line, as what you have now could definitely be optimized. Now this is kinda subjective. Imo players that are able to play this diff throughout will be able to play this smoothly with no prob at all. I really like the pattern here btw~00:20:080 (4,5,6) - I'd move this a bit farther to the right because while I like the emphasis you're giving to 00:20:427 (1) - I think its too much with the current positioning of 4,5,6.00:22:857 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Why? What was the reasoning behind this? What are you emphasizing by having harsh flow from each triple to the next? What benefit are you gaining from having it curve inward rather than outward like one would expect? and what do you expect from throwing barrage of questions at me orz. Angular Flow works just fine here. I did try making them flow inwards while I remapped this part tbh, and they lost the emphasis they should have, so I mapped them with they pointing outwards.00:24:245 (2,3) - Nerf this, this is really large and emphasizing nothing in particular.yup. moved to emphasize 00:24:853 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - instead.00:25:287 (7,8,9,10,1) - I'm not overly happy with the positioning of 1 here. Based on your stream's curve the player will expect the 1 slider's head to be closer to x107 y120 or farther to the right. Here goes a quick way to check, look below! I think a linear flow works better that a curved flow like you did here.
^
00:25:634 (1,2) - Based on previous patterns this basically reads as a 1/4th snap and not a 1/2. Very deceptive. (It's also getting like 0 emphasis.) Yep, that's my exact intention XD thanks for noticing it! cuz 2 doesn't land on any strong sound so I put it near the previous slider. This is also a some sort of "reliever" after that 1/4 jump + sharp flow.At some point you basically start stacking all your triples. Decide between stacked or unstacked and then make the map consistent. can't xd Some are for visual purposes like 00:53:063 (4,5,6) - and 00:56:883 (6,7,8) - . Some are just weird when stacked.00:30:842 (4,5,6,7,1) - Wait this is a stream jump? What are you emphasizing? The pitch jump in the vocals? It's rather smooth, also this doesn't even really look like a stream jump at first glance, it looks like a 4 note burst and a 1/2 note. (Though to be honest this stream jump probably plays the best out of all of them due to your angles here.) have been considering nerfing this as well xd. I noticed that this was the only stream jump in the verses. fixed. also deleted the stream~I think all the points I've mentioned thus far can be applied until the kiai via self modding. Just look for spacing issues or parts that are larger than the kiai in this section, and then if you find one, ask if it's justified.01:01:396 (3,4,1) - I'm surprised I was able to read this when I was playing it in qualified, because it definitely looks like a 1/3rd pattern with really bad DS. Change it up somehow to be more inherently obvious (mainly because its also unique to this one spot. 00:47:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - is different due to your spacing patterns). really? I'm not an extra player so I don't know much about these stuff xdd. I just thought "ehh this might work" and then threw the diff to my friends that are better than me and they played just fine, so I sticked with this. Any suggestions?01:11:813 (2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like a huge emphasis opportunity is missed here by having the stream DS 1.0 still. This is more intense and you should emphasize that with a higher DS! I do like the patterning here, though. want to, but I think players hate me enough xdd no need to add fuel to the fire01:25:180 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same here.I got a bit lazy after the first 30 seconds because the mod becomes entirely repetition and I think you're capable of self-modding the parts that reappear a few times. Overall I don't expect you to apply much of this so my goal was mainly to make my points understandable so you can learn and avoid some of these issues in the future. Hopefully it helps you, regardless!Good luck Kaitjuh!

Yee~ thanks for the looong mod o/ hope my explanation satisfies you

Cryptic wrote:
CrystilonZ wrote:
00:07:408 (2,3,4) - Give this a slight spacing nerf as well. This is the opening, its not intense at all. raising the DS due to the change in vocal pitch + its intensity. It's not that hard though from testplays i got
Thats not the point. The point has nothing to do with difficulty but in how the spacing reflects the song. If you're using large spacing on a section of map that is similar/equivalent to the spacing on a much more intense part of the same map, then you're overspacing your jumps. I believe that a lot of the intro and verse jumps are a bit larger than necessary due to the fact that having all the spacing on the front end (on the less intense part) significantly lessens the intensity of the kiai's spacing. The same can be said for the stream jumps, since you use so many, the times you actually should be using them just feel bland.
Honestly, though, this just boils down to my strong opinion so its not like its unrankable.

Crys's bedtime story is the explanation for this xd.

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Cryptic

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Cryptic 2016-10-22T03:17:49+00:00

CrystilonZ wrote:
00:07:408 (2,3,4) - Give this a slight spacing nerf as well. This is the opening, its not intense at all. raising the DS due to the change in vocal pitch + its intensity. It's not that hard though from testplays i got

Thats not the point. The point has nothing to do with difficulty but in how the spacing reflects the song. If you're using large spacing on a section of map that is similar/equivalent to the spacing on a much more intense part of the same map, then you're overspacing your jumps. I believe that a lot of the intro and verse jumps are a bit larger than necessary due to the fact that having all the spacing on the front end (on the less intense part) significantly lessens the intensity of the kiai's spacing. The same can be said for the stream jumps, since you use so many, the times you actually should be using them just feel bland.

Honestly, though, this just boils down to my strong opinion so its not like its unrankable.

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-23T14:51:26+00:00

Call me back if nobody re-qualified until Wednesday xD

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2016-10-23T15:13:04+00:00

WTF somehow the SR went up.
RIP

forgot to reply to this one xd

Cryptic wrote:
00:20:080 (4,5,6) - I'd move this a bit farther to the right because while I like the emphasis you're giving to 00:20:427 (1) - I think its too much with the current positioning of 4,5,6. I think this is just fine relatively to 1/4 hell jumps xd

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Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-23T15:21:40+00:00

updated again~

Doyak wrote:
Call me back if nobody re-qualified until Wednesday xD

Might happen since I'm busy as hell for a few days .-.

Cryptic wrote:
also, your diffs are pretty solid Kaitjuh, good job~

Thank you~ xD

Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2016-10-23T17:11:35+00:00

CrystilonZ wrote:
01:01:396 (3,4,1) - I'm surprised I was able to read this when I was playing it in qualified, because it definitely looks like a 1/3rd pattern with really bad DS. Change it up somehow to be more inherently obvious (mainly because its also unique to this one spot. 00:47:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - is different due to your spacing patterns). really? I'm not an extra player so I don't know much about these stuff xdd. I just thought "ehh this might work" and then threw the diff to my friends that are better than me and they played just fine, so I sticked with this. Any suggestions? I think evening out the spacing or having the 1/4th partially stacked on the 1 would be a better design than what you have currently. Theres a weird flick motion in your current patterning that is pretty unique to that part.
01:11:813 (2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - I feel like a huge emphasis opportunity is missed here by having the stream DS 1.0 still. This is more intense and you should emphasize that with a higher DS! I do like the patterning here, though. want to, but I think players hate me enough xdd no need to add fuel to the fire In all honesty, this part is one of the most intense parts in the song (as a bridge in the kiai) and it just seems like you didn't give much to it with the current DS. Try 1.2 or something, it won't be that hard.
01:25:180 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same here. Same here.

I get relative spacing, I use it occasionally when I map. I think in the end this just boils down to differing opinions about when relative spacing is okay to use, though. Good luck you guys.

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-23T19:15:49+00:00

Oh you were talking about the flick there? I have been always wanted to map something like that, but it's really hard to play and I didn't have a chance to map extra xd. It's fun to play and emphasize the kiai start well~ stacking 01:01:657 (4,1) - is not very good for emphasis imo.
Other than that were fixed

sooo sleepyy

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HPDrainRate:7.5
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9.2
SliderMultiplier:1.7
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
Video,0,"opto.flv"
0,0,"bearshipping.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Combo2 : 161,182,229
Combo3 : 125,226,120
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Thanks again >w<

ZekeyHache

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Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2016-10-23T19:23:21+00:00

Does anyone else have something to add or any change to make? If not, let me know and I'll come to take a look and move this forward~

CrystilonZ

1,569 posts

Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-23T19:26:11+00:00

testplaying w8 a sec

results : ~~smiley face is too gimmicky. need to make a new pattern real quick xdd~~ Ok smiley face is fine : )

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2016-10-26T15:40:10+00:00

~~Bub Bub Bub~~

oops, I found unsnapped objects at last minute on Crys' diff ><

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-26T15:52:35+00:00

ezek wrote:
~~Bub Bub Bub~~

oops, I found unsnapped objects at last minute on Crys' diff ><

welp, resnapped~

~~peppy pls fix slider to stream unsnaps~~

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2016-10-26T16:09:13+00:00

Bub Bub Bub

Doyak

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Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-10-27T09:35:11+00:00

Uhh I'm gonna point some more things out. Sorry ezek.

[Rocket]
No mention on this?

* about 00:27:543 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - this, you can avoid all overlaps and still can fix the ds. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6419665 looks much better for me.
* 00:24:245 (1,2,3,4,5) - Also why inconsistent ds?
* 00:48:376 (2,3) - Consider swapping the rhythm here. The drum sound on 00:48:550 - is too strong to ignore and the hitsound is also focused on those. Seems the hitsounds are not following what the notes are following, so let's just change the rhythm to make it fit the hitsounds.
* 01:00:008 (1) - I overlooked this last time, but using slider anchors for manipulating slider speeds is prohibited according to the RC. You would say "hey, but this is not that much" but still, the slider path isn't clear enough and the purpose of it is clearly to make the slider ball drrr and make the slider speed slower. Also this is mere a Hard diff so it's better to not use gimmicky elements.
I doubt about the rhythm choice too. there are many distinct drums going on the slider and I don't see a good reason to ignore them mostly. I mean, why not http://puu.sh/rXbNY/111d179622.jpg ?
* 01:26:743 (1) - The bell hitsounds on the head and the reverse arrow are pretty much a discord with the piano sounds. It's like adding a D minor sound on D major. Try to find a better sound, or just use other kind of hitsound maybe. The hitwhistle87 also feels alright.

[Insane]
* 00:48:376 (2,3) - Same as Hard, try swapping these and represent 00:48:550 - this large drum sound.
* 00:58:098 - 00:58:445 - Consider adding whistles for the piano sounds.
* 01:21:187 (1,2,1,2,3) - As this is an Insane diff, I think you could divide some rhythms. Like, you could make every vocals clickable, while using some drum sounds as well because this part is quite drum-intense. example: http://puu.sh/rXczx/2af6ea8a93.jpg

[CrystilonZ]
* 00:25:547 (10,1) - I still think this is too big. If you get more experience on playing... you'll notice that this is a very demanding pattern. People will sacrifice their acc to get more time on the 1/4 jump rather than naturally follow the 'strong' beat on the downbeat. It's very awkward to have a big 1/4 jump, and have a sharp angle right after it. The maximum I can bear is stacking 10 on 00:24:593 (3) - , and maybe make 00:25:634 (1) - this slider just straight, to provide less harsh angle. example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6419814
* 00:55:147 (2) - Consider using 2 circles here. Since you were following the piano sounds 00:54:279 - 00:54:626 (5) - I think it's better to make 00:55:320 - this one clickable as well.
* 01:22:403 - Here requires more of a Normal hitnormal rather than Normal whistle. It's the same drum as 01:21:361 (2) - 01:21:882 (5) -

Call me back once again after addressing these.

Kaitjuh

863 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Kaitjuh 2016-10-27T10:29:49+00:00

Doyak wrote:
Uhh I'm gonna point some more things out. Sorry ezek.

[Insane]
* 00:48:376 (2,3) - Same as Hard, try swapping these and represent 00:48:550 - this large drum sound. This kinda feels off to me, because in this part I wanted to focus on the vocals. by applying this, I would give priority to the drum for one beat and then solely focus on the singer again after that. I think it's better to keep it like this.
* 00:58:098 - 00:58:445 - Consider adding whistles for the piano sounds. Nice, applied ^^
* 01:21:187 (1,2,1,2,3) - As this is an Insane diff, I think you could divide some rhythms. Like, you could make every vocals clickable, while using some drum sounds as well because this part is quite drum-intense. example: http://puu.sh/rXczx/2af6ea8a93.jpg Same with this tbh, I wanted to focus on the singer in this part. I think it fits the song nicely kinda like what I did here 01:10:077 -

Call me back once again after addressing these.

Thank you~

CrystilonZ

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Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-27T11:48:41+00:00

Doyak wrote:
Uhh I'm gonna point some more things out. Sorry ezek.

[CrystilonZ]
* 00:25:547 (10,1) - I still think this is too big. If you get more experience on playing... you'll notice that this is a very demanding pattern. People will sacrifice their acc to get more time on the 1/4 jump rather than naturally follow the 'strong' beat on the downbeat. It's very awkward to have a big 1/4 jump, and have a sharp angle right after it. The maximum I can bear is stacking 10 on 00:24:593 (3) - , and maybe make 00:25:634 (1) - this slider just straight, to provide less harsh angle. example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6419814 This is as small as I can go while not making that slider lose its importance. Smaller spacing that this will make this part weird because weaker sounds that came before have higher spacing, and I really really love that flow reverse right there. How about I link 00:25:461 (9,10) - to form a 1/4 slider instead? That should provide sufficient window time for the jump, but at the expense of the emphasis on that stream orz.
* 00:55:147 (2) - Consider using 2 circles here. Since you were following the piano sounds 00:54:279 - 00:54:626 (5) - I think it's better to make 00:55:320 - this one clickable as well. I was following the bass here to be exact XD but nice suggestion! fixed.
* 01:22:403 - Here requires more of a Normal hitnormal rather than Normal whistle. It's the same drum as 01:21:361 (2) - 01:21:882 (5) - yuss

Call me back once again after addressing these.

Please reply to the text in green
Thanks >w<

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-27T11:59:21+00:00

Actually I think the harsh angle of the next note is already enough for the emphasis. I'm not saying to make it smaller than others, I'm saying just make them equal (and if you mean by the DS value, the next note is on 0.9x'd sv so the value is 0.9x'd too, thus have a bigger actual spacing than others), with that sharp angle unlike the others. And yes, using a 1/4 slider will also work, but you would need a lot higher spacing for that, because 1/4 slider jump is not 1/4 stream spacing*2, rather like 5x.

CrystilonZ

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Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-27T13:09:16+00:00

5x is just absolute madness xdd
w/e the flow reversal should be enough here as you said; stacked (10) with (3) and moved the 1/1 slider a bit. 2.25x right now.

okdone!

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HappyRocket88

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Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-10-27T13:19:28+00:00

Sorry for the inconveniences, Kaitjuh. ;w; Will take a look of the mod and post the update ASAP.

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-27T13:28:36+00:00

5.0x was just some exaggeration xD Still I mean a 1/4 jump is not something you can use like regular big 1/2 jumps, as they're really intense to play.

CrystilonZ

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Joined January 2013

CrystilonZ 2016-10-29T14:45:05+00:00

Btw, Doyak, here's the full version of the RC regarding 01:00:008 (1) - in Rocket's diff.

osu!Standard Ranking Criteria wrote:
Slider anchors/nodes must not be used to manipulate slider speeds (whether they are normal nodes or red ones). Using extra nodes to make a slider "wiggle" is usually fine, but using so many that the slider gets scrunched up (which also makes the sliderball go crazy) or become a "hold slider" is abuse of the hitobject's intended use and is not allowed. AIMod (shortcut ctrl+shift+a) will also point out sliders that move in an "abnormal" way, so make sure to check that if you're unsure of a slider.

The slider path right there counts as a wiggle. It's kinda rare nowadays but it's 100% rankable and perfectly readable. Additionally, it provides a substantial emphasis on the piano chord, which is pretty accurate.

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-29T14:59:03+00:00

Yes, it's not against the rules. However it doesn't mean it's easily readable. Can you expect in what speed the slider would move on that spot? If you cannot, it's not readable, and I'm talking about the players who would play this Hard diff. Also I know the purpose of the slider, but still I have no idea what the slider as a whole is supposed to represent. There's no such a long sound that can be represented with a single slider even with ignoring so many other sounds.

Also bold text doesn't mean "you should 100% fix this" or something, it's just that I strongly think it's questionable.

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2016-10-29T15:19:56+00:00

Kinda yes. I can't tell what the slider will move how much fast exactly but I can definitely tell that it's going to slow down. Players can tell this by looking at the curvy slideredge, which is well beyond noticeable imo, and I honestly believe players that are able to play/pass this diff are smart enough to see that. I don't know which sound it represents actually xdd, but somehow it works. imo it fits with the train of virtually connected sounds right there, but this is purely subjective xd. let's just see what Rocket will say. My point there was just saying that it's not against the RC; that's all >w<

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-10-29T22:30:07+00:00

Doyak wrote:

Oh, sorry! I think I didn't look this point when I was applying the previous check. /w\ Regarding the suggestion, aside from thinking variation is important, I really wanted to give an emphasis to this string sound 00:21:468 - which I think it's way stronger from the one you're highlighting. Both are prominent but I see no harm of extending the emphasis on the downbeat instead of the drums here.
* about 00:27:543 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - this, you can avoid all overlaps and still can fix the ds. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6419665 looks much better for me. asdfgjlk I tried fixing it in the way you did but my brain thought it in a different way /w\ BUT! The DS is more consistent and smooth now! (~°w°)~
* 00:24:245 (1,2,3,4,5) - Also why inconsistent ds? OMG JESUS! I swear someone touched them!!! AAAAAAAAAAAA
* 00:48:376 (2,3) - Consider swapping the rhythm here. The drum sound on 00:48:550 - is too strong to ignore and the hitsound is also focused on those. Seems the hitsounds are not following what the notes are following, so let's just change the rhythm to make it fit the hitsounds. You're right! D= D= D= Idk how to make this less weird but I think I fixed in an acceptable way >w<
* 01:00:008 (1) - I overlooked this last time, but using slider anchors for manipulating slider speeds is prohibited according to the RC. You would say "hey, but this is not that much" but still, the slider path isn't clear enough and the purpose of it is clearly to make the slider ball drrr and make the slider speed slower. Also this is mere a Hard diff so it's better to not use gimmicky elements.
I doubt about the rhythm choice too. there are many distinct drums going on the slider and I don't see a good reason to ignore them mostly. I mean, why not http://puu.sh/rXbNY/111d179622.jpg ? I see your point but I have my own reasoning for this slider-shape and rhythm choice will I'll explain below:
First things first, it's not "directly" unrankable since it plays as a wiggle as Cryz said on the previous post. It might be subjective but I consider the 5 red anchors noticeable enough for hard players. In fact, the wiggle lasts less than 200ms so I don't believe this would "confuse", "make players lose their mind", "the slider-ball thing went crazy" arguments.
In the other hand, the rhythm. I do understand that there are other instruments to highlight here as you cleared out with the screenshot and it's actually a nice idea. However, that doesn't represent really the strength this sound 01:00:008 - represents. By switching the rhythm, the main emphasis would reside over the drums which from my point of view, do not highlight nicely the piano/string sound the song offers. the way I see things, the piano/string sound reflects nicely the 1/1 rhythm which deserve more emphasis since that's how I represented it starting from 00:57:230 - .
* 01:26:743 (1) - The bell hitsounds on the head and the reverse arrow are pretty much a discord with the piano sounds. It's like adding a D minor sound on D major. Try to find a better sound, or just use other kind of hitsound maybe. The hitwhistle87 also feels alright. I agree but I think C88 complements the song nicer than C87 since the lenght and the sound itself is shorter and doesn't give an appropriated feedback as C88 does.

Thank you very much for modding/checking/re-rechecking/being Doyak-person! >w<
I'll fix other things if you didn't agree with the explanaitons provided if oyou really thing they are a must-change thing. :3

Kaitjuh knows how to cock!

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316,132,86743,6,0,B|334:85|310:32|265:17|227:20|190:34|147:83|212:116|212:116|251:106,2,312,2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-10-29T22:44:25+00:00

up the dated diffs yes donezo

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-30T02:50:07+00:00

Oh, then why not look for another hitsound? That discord bell sound really disturbs me... like it's changing the whole mood of the last piano.

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-10-30T03:10:45+00:00

;w; Do you have a suggestion maybe? o: The current ones fo the custom hitsound library are way noisier than the bell one ;w;

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-10-30T19:28:08+00:00

You know some people even keysound notes following the whole song, and as long as you have hitnormal it's enough feedback. Another suggestion I can think of is to use the default whistle.

Well if you don't like both, here I just made some hitsounds by myself with NWC lol.

1 2

Both would work, I personally recommend the latter one though.

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-10-30T19:45:38+00:00

Thanks for the HS Doyak! Notified Rocket about it as well and he'll use it.

Updated~

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-11-02T14:13:20+00:00

[Easy]
* 00:01:331 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Oh this rhythm is good, but I really feel lack of hitsounds here. At least try adding whistles on 00:02:547 - 00:05:324 -

That's all. If anyone has more concerns, post it before I bubble please xD

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-11-02T14:16:46+00:00

Doyak wrote:
[Easy]
* 00:01:331 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Oh this rhythm is good, but I really feel lack of hitsounds here. At least try adding whistles on 00:02:547 - 00:05:324 -

That's all. If anyone has more concerns, post it before I bubble please xD

Applied the above suggestion, I need to learn to use whistles properly lol.

Thanks~

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-11-02T15:03:46+00:00

Okay, have your bubble back!

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-11-02T15:04:20+00:00

Thank you for all the help Doyak! ^^

ZekeyHache

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ZekeyHache 2016-11-04T06:36:24+00:00

Let's have a last look~

[Easy]

01:08:688 (2) - Seems you missed a whistle here~

[estellia-'s Normal]

00:15:740 (2) - You didn't add whistle in this slider's head but you did later at 00:18:170 (2) - which is the same thing. Then you didn't add at 00:20:947 (2) - but you did at 00:23:377 (2) - . So was this intentional or are you missing those whistles?

[Rocket's Hard]

00:27:543 (3) - I don't understand why you did a jump with this circle. There's no strong beat there or a least a vocal to support it, seems random to me. It would've made sense on 00:27:370 (2) - or 00:27:717 (4) - but definitely not at 00:27:543 ~ It may look nice because of the stacking with slider (1), but it just doesn't feel right imo~
01:25:875 (3) - I see you were trying to emphasize the wavy vocals here, but I think this slider would be more appropriate for wavy instrumentals, especially in dubstep music. I would recommend you to go with something less shaky, like this or perhaps another variation of it~

[Crystilz's Colorful]

00:24:853 (4,5) - Shouldn't these be equally spaced with slider (3)? I feel they have the same intensity so I don't see why the jump~

Feel free to throw rock at me and call me shitty BN when you're done \:3/

Kaitjuh

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Kaitjuh 2016-11-04T11:39:13+00:00

ezek wrote:
Let's have a last look~

[Easy]
01:08:688 (2) - Seems you missed a whistle here~ fml
[estellia-'s Normal]
00:15:740 (2) - You didn't add whistle in this slider's head but you did later at 00:18:170 (2) - which is the same thing. Then you didn't add at 00:20:947 (2) - but you did at 00:23:377 (2) - . So was this intentional or are you missing those whistles? If it was my intention, I would not know what that intention was, soo I'll apply this xD
Feel free to throw rock at me and call me shitty BN when you're done \:3/

HS give me death

edit: also fixed a spacing inconsistency here 01:22:403 (1,2) - to match the other sliders spacing

Last edited by Kaitjuh 2016-11-04T22:38:26+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Xexxar

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Xexxar 2016-11-04T21:00:12+00:00

In Crystilz Colorful, there are alot of jumps streams, but they dont really make sense...

why is 00:18:691 (1) - emphasized this much when 00:16:261 (1) - is emphasized less...
00:23:725 (9) - why are you randomly changing to a 1/4 slider now?
00:47:768 (6,1) - song is calming down here, so why build up with increased spacing at the end of the stream.

not only that but the spacing is overall really overdone...

00:26:154 (2,3,4) - and 00:27:717 (5,6,7,8) - and 00:41:258 (2,3,4) - and etc

for such a calm section of the song i don't understand why this is being spaced so much, it's easily comparable in design and spacing to the kiai (slightly less) and the drum heavy section before it, I think there should be some more consideration put towards this so that it better fits what the song is providing.

EDIT: wasnt gonna pop until i saw this 00:58:966 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - honestly how are you going to tell me that 00:59:139 (2) and 01:00:181 (2) - deserve the spacing let alone clickableness of those beats.

01:01:657 (4,1) - ??? readability here is very difficult.
why is 01:19:017 (3) - a slider unlike all other patterns
01:00:355 (3,4,1) - this triplet is wrongly snapped.

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CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2016-11-04T21:37:54+00:00

I don't know how often i need to quote myself, but w/e once more won't hurt i guess.

CrystilonZ wrote:
Idk why people judge this song as being relaxing :v. Well, the vocals are pretty laid-back i guess, but the instruments' sounds are no where near 'relaxing'. Therefore, I try to map according to the song's quirkiness and stuff

Gonna reply to the stuff mentioned later

Thanks for your concern~

Xexxar

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Xexxar 2016-11-04T21:43:10+00:00

i never said your overall difficulty was too hard, i said that there are inconsistencies within the map and places where the intensity is forced compared to the rest of the difficulty. As well as some unnecessary overmap during the build up before kiai.

ZekeyHache

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ZekeyHache 2016-11-04T22:45:18+00:00

ezek waits for more opinions > no one complains > ezek bubbles > ezek gets Doyaked

Doyak approves and waits for opinions > no one complains > Doyak bubbles > Doyak gets Xexxared

Conclusion: popping bubbles is the new trend~

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