I'd work with sakura if her style of "Day 1 scumhunting" wasn't "attack people just to see how they react". That's not scumhunting, that's just being a dick. You can't possibly predict with any amount of certainty how people will react to being FoS'd or OMGUS'd or RV'd. I want logic and reasoning, not a barbaric brawl. (Also note my use of buzzwords, accurate though they are)
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The kind of reasoning sakura uses is likely to end up the same as a literal random vote wagon except she gets to "lead the charge" as it were and it just feels to me like it's just ego-stroking in that case. I already went over why I feel this style of play is extremely scummy and anti-town as it does nothing but add stress to the game.
The kind of reasoning sakura uses is likely to end up the same as a literal random vote wagon except she gets to "lead the charge" as it were and it just feels to me like it's just ego-stroking in that case. I already went over why I feel this style of play is extremely scummy and anti-town as it does nothing but add stress to the game.
wow im not cute? you are not sexually attracted to cubones?
If I change my avi to an anime cutie would you love me
If I change my avi to an anime cutie would you love me
Thanks for the reads list shiirn, but what I meant for you to do is start questioning other people. I don't care about your reads until I see you actually trying to solve the game besides tunneling on one person.
ok
It's a shame you're leaving Sakura. Your work has been/will be appreciated :3 - if this game ever sees an end.
Dw shiirn i havent been lurking bc of my argument with sakura, i just cant be as active during weekends due to probs with parents
Ill put a bigger post in a few mins/hours, when i arrive at dorm
Ill put a bigger post in a few mins/hours, when i arrive at dorm
ok so
i have not replied a lot lately cuz of parents and bc it seems that whatever i say eventually becomes 'hes noob dont mind him' so why should i try
then; im pretty convinced of a nightkill since its a 9/2 game with gadgets, it seems highly unlogical that we are just required to lynch each other off
Tess: why am i suddenly less scummy if there are only 2 scum people in play
Oh and, i dunno but tess, not knowing that there are 2 scums here is a bit weird, no? you should know what you are hunting for, so either you didnt prepare well as a town or u tried to look like 'well i cant chat with other scum if im town so i dont know how much scum there is'
also, sakura did a genius move either way: either she really is tired of this game (which is the most likely), or she tried to get everyone off of her with emotional arguments, and if thats the case: well done, it worked surprisingly well.
beeboy: can you please explain your reads? im not getting them if you just say 'is town, is scum'
xiz: do you have good reasons of voting for me
(ok why am i even asking my play is horrible)
why i am insisting on NL is because it doesnt help town, but it surely delays scum a lot (so yeah, its a desperate try of proving im town and i dont really mind doing so cuz i have no clue about who is what, and with those replacements it gets even harder)
i have not replied a lot lately cuz of parents and bc it seems that whatever i say eventually becomes 'hes noob dont mind him' so why should i try
then; im pretty convinced of a nightkill since its a 9/2 game with gadgets, it seems highly unlogical that we are just required to lynch each other off
Tess: why am i suddenly less scummy if there are only 2 scum people in play
Oh and, i dunno but tess, not knowing that there are 2 scums here is a bit weird, no? you should know what you are hunting for, so either you didnt prepare well as a town or u tried to look like 'well i cant chat with other scum if im town so i dont know how much scum there is'
also, sakura did a genius move either way: either she really is tired of this game (which is the most likely), or she tried to get everyone off of her with emotional arguments, and if thats the case: well done, it worked surprisingly well.
beeboy: can you please explain your reads? im not getting them if you just say 'is town, is scum'
xiz: do you have good reasons of voting for me
(ok why am i even asking my play is horrible)
why i am insisting on NL is because it doesnt help town, but it surely delays scum a lot (so yeah, its a desperate try of proving im town and i dont really mind doing so cuz i have no clue about who is what, and with those replacements it gets even harder)
MBomb
I've played so much discord mafia lately that I got kinda used to not having mod confirmation of who was mafia or not. I also rarely care about the flavor and stuff, I tend to just jump in the game and post reads and figure things out as I go. And how on Earth do you think that is a possible scumtell on me when all I said was "I'm not aware of this and if no one can confirm this, that makes you suspicious."Zaphkael wrote:
Oh and, i dunno but tess, not knowing that there are 2 scums here is a bit weird, no? you should know what you are hunting for, so either you didnt prepare well as a town or u tried to look like 'well i cant chat with other scum if im town so i dont know how much scum there is'
A post like that doesn't really mean much other than that I'm claiming not to know, and I'm saying that if nobody else knows, then you knowing it is an instant scumtell on you. It's just null. Just think about it. Why would I post such a thing as scum, a role where you need to be paying a whole lot more attention to what you say and how you act than town? I would KNOW that if you know there's 2 scum, then all other towns know, because I'd know your role. And it doesn't make me town either because I could also be SK trying to figure out how many mafia there are.
Basically: What you said doesn't make sense to me.
WhatZaphkael wrote:
Tess: why am i suddenly less scummy if there are only 2 scum people in play
Where did I say that?
Also I just woke up and I'm groggy as hell so I'm sorry if I sound rude or said something stupid. I still want to lynch Zaphkael, don't really care that he's a beginner. For all we know he's just using that as an excuse to be able to say whatever he wants and get away with posts that would seem scummy on anyone else.
Also is it just me or are all these reads on Sakura really bad?
I wonder how SK would even fit within the confines of flavor. Drunk-off-their-ass party guy who doesn't care?
A lot of my reads are gut and a lot of them change over a short period of time so me not explaining reads will happen until the ball starts to roll....
Anyway once I realized my problems with Tess where originally just something I didn't like about his play style and once I reread his posts keeping that in mind I think Tess is making good strides to solve this game. I also don't think Shiirn as scum would attempt to mislynch Sakura day 1 over any of the other mislynch options for obvious reasons.
You don't have to respect them but a lot of my reads will be gut reads this game so.... >.>
Anyway once I realized my problems with Tess where originally just something I didn't like about his play style and once I reread his posts keeping that in mind I think Tess is making good strides to solve this game. I also don't think Shiirn as scum would attempt to mislynch Sakura day 1 over any of the other mislynch options for obvious reasons.
You don't have to respect them but a lot of my reads will be gut reads this game so.... >.>
That's fine, as long as you mention they're gut reads so I can take them with a grain of salt. Also I'm a her
rip I'm dumb then. That makes Zaph a whole lot less suspicious to me, but I'd still like to know why he's so persistent about NK.[/quote]Shiirn wrote:
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Setup
11 players. 9 Town, 2 Mafia
You will either be a Partygoer (Town) or Partyspoiler (Mafia)
ok tess you did say that xd
oh and to those people that do this: you dont have to refrain from lynching just because i am new, you have to lynch me if you think that im scum
but tess, i never, ever stated that im new and that i can say whatever i want because of that. I only mentioned it once, every time you heard 'zaph is newb so dont mind that' wasnt said by me at all. its no excuse for me.
Why is Zaph the current leading wagon?
I have been trying to get an excuse to go on his wagon for awhile but I don't see anything scummy coming from his slot. Can someone enlighten me so I can hopefully leach off someones vote.
I have been trying to get an excuse to go on his wagon for awhile but I don't see anything scummy coming from his slot. Can someone enlighten me so I can hopefully leach off someones vote.
Back,reading now
Topic Starter
Deadline in 5 hours!
I will try to find a replacement for Sakura first in case AutoMedic comes back after his 5 day leave
I will try to find a replacement for Sakura first in case AutoMedic comes back after his 5 day leave
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Vote Count 1.10
(3) Zaphkael: Tess, Xiz, Zexion
(1) Sakura: Shiirn
(1) Shiirn:Sakura
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Zaphkael, - Magic Bomb -, beeboy123
Lynching requires 6 votes!(3) Zaphkael: Tess, Xiz, Zexion
(1) Sakura: Shiirn
(1) Shiirn:Sakura
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Zaphkael, - Magic Bomb -, beeboy123
So d1 is almost over and I am the people who are just sitting here and watch,just talk real quick.
I don't get about what the heck Zaph 's post is talk about,seen like panicing for me. And I don't like the over-aggressive scumread .It get a very bad result of town.I also hearing about people about lynching me for my attitude,this won't help in this situation.It can let scum get a free kill for this.
I won't voting zaph because i can't find a better reason to following this wagon.
I don't get about what the heck Zaph 's post is talk about,seen like panicing for me. And I don't like the over-aggressive scumread .It get a very bad result of town.I also hearing about people about lynching me for my attitude,this won't help in this situation.It can let scum get a free kill for this.
I won't voting zaph because i can't find a better reason to following this wagon.
no, i mean that, IF (better?) there is a nightkill, the most probable option is that scum will kill of lurkers because its to risky to kill any of the active players.Zexion wrote:
Also, even if a lurker gets killed, we have a body to discuss and we still have items to try and make stuff easier. And if it isnt - you should all know where to look with your experience, no?Do you mean is possibly better to lynch lurkers? I don't really get this point, but a lurker kill won't probably bring much to discuss - if they were just lurking, their interactions with other players would probably be null and not much is learnt by that.
o and btw jess, my posts arent desperate at all, im just trying to clean up all the mess i made in my first 'strategy' which was trying to confuse everyone in the hope something would come out - well i horribly failed at that, so im trying to...well i dun even know what im doing lol
Zaph I have a scummy and potentially terrible idea.
Can you role claim right now so if you are a useful PR you can stay alive because I don't see any other lynch happening with 5 hours left in the day?
Can you role claim right now so if you are a useful PR you can stay alive because I don't see any other lynch happening with 5 hours left in the day?
the only role that has any right of claiming D1 is like a commuter
...He only has 3 votes on him with 3 hours remaining o_Obeeboy123 wrote:
Can you role claim right now so if you are a useful PR you can stay alive
I can roleclaim if you really want it cuz its nothing anyway
im a vanilla townie, believe it or not
im a vanilla townie, believe it or not
Zaphkael wrote:
I can roleclaim if you really want it cuz its nothing anyway
im a vanilla townie, believe it or not
Still think we should NL? If you had to, who would you lynch today?
i don't buy the vanilla townie claim, for reasons i'll go over D2 if possible.
Why the wait? You've got time.Shiirn wrote:
i don't buy the vanilla townie claim, for reasons i'll go over D2 if possible.
tbh i was pretty confused when you guys where talkin about cop and SK or bulletproof stuff bc i genuinely thought this was a vanilla game apart from gadgets
and uhh shiirn, at the very beginning of this game you said that you had some clues (=the items) that made this game not a vanilla game, but now you dont believe that i am a vanilla townie. does that mean that
- you were lying about not having a role
- you are vanilla too, and therefore you have no reason not to believe me
- you are scum
@haneii As before, i think there is some scum in sakura-shiirn-tess-zexion
its really hard to choose between these, therefore id still say NL, but if i really have to choose ill go for - this is 100% gut - Sakura
and uhh shiirn, at the very beginning of this game you said that you had some clues (=the items) that made this game not a vanilla game, but now you dont believe that i am a vanilla townie. does that mean that
- you were lying about not having a role
- you are vanilla too, and therefore you have no reason not to believe me
- you are scum
@haneii As before, i think there is some scum in sakura-shiirn-tess-zexion
its really hard to choose between these, therefore id still say NL, but if i really have to choose ill go for - this is 100% gut - Sakura
...alright. If that's the case, vote Zaph and push for the lynch. Better than a NL, right? Only 1.5 hours left to get 4 more on Sakura, when you'd only need to get 2 more to lynch Zaph.beeboy123 wrote:
better then no lynch
lol actually haneii is right, if you want to push a lynch, it's on me, thats the only possibility within the more or less an hour left. Otherwise its no lynch at all
But I don't think Zaph is scum :/Haneii wrote:
...alright. If that's the case, vote Zaph and push for the lynch. Better than a NL, right? Only 1.5 hours left to get 4 more on Sakura, when you'd only need to get 2 more to lynch Zaph.beeboy123 wrote:
better then no lynch
Can we lynch the Sakura slot tomorrow if we lynch Zaph today and he flips town?
Have you read Zaph's posts on this page?beeboy123 wrote:
Can we lynch the Sakura slot tomorrow if we lynch Zaph today and he flips town?
vote: Zaph
This just feels like typical newbie play I don't see it as either scum or town :/
But I really think NLing is bad.
This just feels like typical newbie play I don't see it as either scum or town :/
But I really think NLing is bad.
What posts? i said that i found shiirn suspicious, that i dont know who is scum, that i hate to pull a wagon because i dont want to be the guy that kills someone without proper reasoning and that, if you really want a lynch today, its on me because you wont get anyone else to 6 votes. The first 3 are my opinions on this game, the last one is just a simple fact, if that is scummy you should place your vote right now.
You don't act like you do.beeboy123 wrote:
But I really think NLing is bad.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.11
(4) Zaphkael: Tess, Xiz, Zexion, beeboy123 [L-2]
(1) Sakura: Shiirn
(1) Shiirn:Sakura
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Zaphkael, - Magic Bomb -
Deadline is in 40 minutes!(4) Zaphkael: Tess, Xiz, Zexion, beeboy123 [L-2]
(1) Sakura: Shiirn
(1) Shiirn:Sakura
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Haneii, Zaphkael, - Magic Bomb -
@Haneii: Because i thought i had to go to work. LOL. But I don't, so uhhhhhh
it's a bit meta, but the role PM examples have "You have X abilities". That's literally it. I have a flavor ability and MAYBE I have a power (not confirming that), so i don't know whether zaph is claiming vanilla whilst discarding the flavor ability he has, or if he's discarding flavor AND power and claiming vanilla. It doesn't take a lot of effort to assume that everyone has at least a flavor role when you're given a flavor role like mine, which I plan on revealing D2 because I don't know if it'll put me in danger to claim it D1. But even saying so puts me in some risk, but i'm alraedy on the likely-list-of-Night-1-kills simply by being a loud one along with sakura/tess/etc.
it's a bit meta, but the role PM examples have "You have X abilities". That's literally it. I have a flavor ability and MAYBE I have a power (not confirming that), so i don't know whether zaph is claiming vanilla whilst discarding the flavor ability he has, or if he's discarding flavor AND power and claiming vanilla. It doesn't take a lot of effort to assume that everyone has at least a flavor role when you're given a flavor role like mine, which I plan on revealing D2 because I don't know if it'll put me in danger to claim it D1. But even saying so puts me in some risk, but i'm alraedy on the likely-list-of-Night-1-kills simply by being a loud one along with sakura/tess/etc.
I still don't buy Zaph being mafia but if everyone believes a lynch is to the benefit of town (Statistically speaking, it kind of is, but this game has already thrown statistics and logic out the window) I might swap to Zaph. I'll think about it. I got 15 minutes, maybe someone else will wagon along with it.
screw it Lynch All Liars
Unvote
Vote: Zaphkael
Unvote
Vote: Zaphkael
Yeah, it is odd he chose to claim "vanilla" considering how our invitations are worded.
Zaph, want to clarify your role if you're still around?
Zaph, want to clarify your role if you're still around?
Shiirn wrote:
screw it Lynch All Liars
Unvote
Vote: Zaphkael
Oh my ^_^
So, 10 mins left.
Sup, Beeboy?
Sup, Beeboy?
how's life treating you haneii, long time no see
where were u when u heard shiirn was unban?
where were u when u heard shiirn was unban?
Life's okay, can't complain. You?
Also, you were banned??!!
Also, you were banned??!!
uh i dont have any flavour power? like not at all, i have a name and 'partygoer' thats all
I was banned! I didn't just leave! Like, perma-banned!
Life's good here too, i got released after a nine-month appeal process that was 99% me trying to contact and 1 email saying "ok fine ur unban" after 9 months of trying to contact
Life's good here too, i got released after a nine-month appeal process that was 99% me trying to contact and 1 email saying "ok fine ur unban" after 9 months of trying to contact
....beeboy123 wrote:
Sup.Haneii wrote:
So, 10 mins left.
Sup, Beeboy?
orz
Thanks, Zaph.
There is a decent chance Zeph is telling the truth but I am still opposed to a no-lynch.
Zaphkael: That's weird, though. From everyone's reactions, it seems like my gut feeling that i wasn't the only one with a weird flavor ability wasn't unjustified, but i dunno.
like i said, i don't think you're mafia, just a VI. But yeah....
like i said, i don't think you're mafia, just a VI. But yeah....
Shiirn wrote:
I was banned! I didn't just leave! Like, perma-banned!
Life's good here too, i got released after a nine-month appeal process that was 99% me trying to contact and 1 email saying "ok fine ur unban" after 9 months of trying to contact
My goodness D:
Welcome back <3
@beeboy, give me something.
a weird flavor ability that i assumed would completely screw with how i would need to play this game but turned out to be completely flavor-based and not actually related to mafia
word ur shit better frostings
(also mbomb's 'post restriction' gave me another example of a 'useless flavor ability' to base my gut off of)
word ur shit better frostings
(also mbomb's 'post restriction' gave me another example of a 'useless flavor ability' to base my gut off of)
Then act like you are :/beeboy123 wrote:
I am still opposed to a no-lynch.
I don't have anything to give you.
Nothing has changed since the last time I said.
Town {Tess, Shiirn}
Scum {Sakura, Mbomb}
I still don't know what you are doing, Zaph still feels like basic noob stuff and I still don't want to NL.
Nothing has changed since the last time I said.
Town {Tess, Shiirn}
Scum {Sakura, Mbomb}
I still don't know what you are doing, Zaph still feels like basic noob stuff and I still don't want to NL.
Oh well, I waited long enough.
vote: Zaph
vote: Zaph
"Lynch the VI" has been a longstanding tradition anyway, no?
Literally that is the only thing that people do on day 1 in mafiascum so Sakura would be proud.
lol ok this means im fucked. thanks frostings for not giving me flavour text!
Zaphkael wrote:
lol ok this means im fucked. thanks frostings for not giving me flavour text!
It prob had nothing to do with your claim. They just wanted a lynch.
I voted you mainly because at L-1, you'd most likely be the wagon for tomorrow (if scum plan right) creating a repeat of today.
Six, you're late!
Haneii's got a point, better to hammer an L-1 rather than spend most of the next day debating the pros and cons of re-wagoning the guy. Mathematically, the lynch works out in town's favor as well.
Should probably just stop posting and let Frostings do his thing.
Wait I think what I just did was against the rules .-.
Wait I am just going to play it off as I was randomly saying hi to Zexion because we are bros.
Don't worry about it
Don't worry about it
Yeah I was reading and got RL interrupted. What did you do that it was agaist the rules?
I have no regrets in the Zaph lynch.
I have no regrets in the Zaph lynch.
Also AFAIK posting after deadline is okay as long as the mod hasn't posted the lynch scene, so if it was that I suppose we're okay.
Also AFAIK posting after deadline is okay as long as the mod hasn't posted the lynch scene, so if it was that I suppose we're okay.
Yeah I thought it was against the rules to point out you where browsing the forum and didn't say anything. (that is against the rules in some places I believe)
I have no idea what osu's mafia rule are or if they've changed in the years I've been gone.
Topic Starter
As the first day of the party came to a close
The other guests told Zaphkael to go!
Sadly he left, leaving behind his mask
Yet the food kept disppearing; "Who is it?" they asked
He was a Partygoer (Town) [Vanilla Town]
The other guests told Zaphkael to go!
Sadly he left, leaving behind his mask
Yet the food kept disppearing; "Who is it?" they asked
Vote Count 1.12 (Final)
(6) Zaphkael: Tess, Xiz, Zexion, beeboy123, Shiirn, Haneii [Lynch!]
(1) Shiirn:Sakura
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Zaphkael, - Magic Bomb -
Zaphkael, Olivia the Owl has been kicked from the party (Lynched!)(6) Zaphkael: Tess, Xiz, Zexion, beeboy123, Shiirn, Haneii [Lynch!]
(1) Shiirn:Sakura
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Zaphkael, - Magic Bomb -
He was a Partygoer (Town) [Vanilla Town]
Topic Starter
The clock strikes 12.
It is Night 1. Actions are due in my inbox in 24 hours.
It is Night 1. Actions are due in my inbox in 24 hours.
Topic Starter
Sorry for the delay 
Resolving Night Actions
Resolving Night Actions
Topic Starter
In the Night, a nap in bed,
And in the morning, a missing friend!
Sakura, Simon the Snail has been kicked from the party (Night Killed!)
She was a Partygoer (Town) [Timekeeper]
It is 1 o'clock
And in the morning, a missing friend!
Sakura, Simon the Snail has been kicked from the party (Night Killed!)
She was a Partygoer (Town) [Timekeeper]
It is 1 o'clock
Topic Starter
Today is Day 2
Deadline is in 7 days
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is in 7 days
Vote Count 2.0
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, Shiirn, Tess, Xiz, Zexion, beeboy123
Not Voting: AutoMedic, -[Jess]-, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, Shiirn, Tess, Xiz, Zexion, beeboy123
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
the fuck is a timekeeper
technically the term would be Limited Reveal, not Closed setup. Because you're only revealing alignment. Or should have, but now you're revealing a potential power role without saying what it is.
Closed setup purely means we don't know what's going on before the game starts. Not revealing the full extent of a role after flip constitutes a reveal setup.
So this game is somewhere between Full Reveal and Limited Reveal where you tell us alignment and roles but not what the role does?
i'm not a fan of that. whatever power role sakura was, we have no idea of its relevance. I can only guess that a timekeeper would be some crude imitation of a Tracker or something.
Closed setup purely means we don't know what's going on before the game starts. Not revealing the full extent of a role after flip constitutes a reveal setup.
So this game is somewhere between Full Reveal and Limited Reveal where you tell us alignment and roles but not what the role does?
i'm not a fan of that. whatever power role sakura was, we have no idea of its relevance. I can only guess that a timekeeper would be some crude imitation of a Tracker or something.