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Parallel Mafia - The City (MAFIA WIN)

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Jinxy
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Jinxy
The City

December 2011, Date: 11

This is the City Resistance second-in-command reporting!
Our campaign against the corrupt officials has finally paid off!
Our leader has obtained a list of the corrupt officials and now we can track them!
He has burned the list and memorized the names of everyone, over!

We have finally won this... What the hell?! What do you mean he’s...
The leader. He is dead! He was inside his underground bunker, but...
It is impossible. No one was anywhere near him when he was killed, over!

Could it be... The Middle World that our scientists were talking about?
Give me a list of those with known access to that warphole!
We'll have to check that out later, over!

Although it pains me, as the second-in-command, we still have to proceed to plan B!
The top agents from all cells will meet at the Mayor’s house and attempt to infiltrate the records!
The details are in database, over!

Alive:
3) bmin11 - Mafia Right-Hand Man - Mafia Goon - Survived
6) Salvage - Mafia Mayor - Mafia Godfather - Survived

Dead:
7) pieguy1372 - Rebel - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 1
1) Rantai - Undercover Rebel - Self-Aware Miller - Killed Night 1
2) Luna - Psychic - Dual-Game Watcher - Lynched Day 2
3) Backfire - Scientist - Dual-Game Tracker - Endgamed
5) Lilac - Rebel - Vanilla Townie - Endgamed

Sample Vanilla Town PM:
SPOILER
You are a Rebel.
Your life is bad, despite the government’s true efforts to lift them. You know that the corrupt officials are all responsible for this. Thus you have joined an underground resistance group to help purge the City from these corrupt officials.

You win when all threats to the City have been eliminated.

PLEASE CONFIRM IN THE MAIN THREAD!
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bmin11
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bmin11
/confirm
Jinxy
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Topic Starter
Jinxy
Alright boys, secure the area while we find the location of the records!
...Hm? There are more rebel signals than the amount of agents here?
Watch out, everyone, we have infiltrators, over!

IT IS NOW DAY 1.
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Salvage
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Joined January 2010
Salvage

Salvage wrote:

hi i say we skip rv in both games what do you guys think
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Okay, I'm cool with that.

Vote: Salvage.

Wait how does this work? Is there a different votecount? I dunno.
Backfire
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Joined February 2010
Backfire
This city is quite deserted.
Luna
2,355 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
Indeed.
Do we have a vote per thread or one vote total? I can't seem to find a clear answer =/
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i think it's a vote per thread and then on the deadline nohitter and jynxy do the maths on both to get the lynch (since there is no hammering)
Rantai
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Rantai
Actually adding on to my other post, I know there is a cop in this game. This is due to the wording of my flavours. I can only assume there is also a doctor making me think this is a standard game of cop, doc, 3 town, 2 mafia.
Salvage
590 posts
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Salvage
i can't see how you would know it for the wording of your flavour other than being roleclaiming a PR or godfather
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
cause i can't see it for the wording of my flavour
Rantai
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Rantai
I'll flesh it out now because I don't want this to get in the way later. I am a miller role in my city role. ie;

Roleclaim: Undercover Rebel

Basically vanilla with a miller.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Posting to notify that I won't be able to read or write on this forum at all today and probably tomorrow morning, I have a 15-page essay due :S
Salvage
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Salvage
having two games doesn't mean that we can handle everything on 1 thread cause there are different roles on each game, so if the setup it's the same on both games then an informative role would be helpfull in different ways.


also reading the intro on the game aren't we all supposed to be undercovered? ..
Lilac
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Lilac
Read the sample vanilla role PM.
Salvage
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Salvage
i was saying that cause of Rantai's roleclaim .. to be an undercovered Rebel while reading the pm plus the intro it seems like we all are from the same organtization infiltrating on the mayor's house to steal the records, so why would there be an undercovered rebel?


Rantai wrote:

Roleclaim: Undercover Rebel

Basically vanilla with a miller.

the roleclaim doesn't really make sense to me.


vote: Rantai
Rantai
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Rantai
We are all underground rebels that are hiding from the corrupt officials and planning to take them down.

I am an undercover rebel that turns up as a corrupt official when investigated. Think of me like an undercover agent working on the inside to help the rebels. In this case I didn't get any special roles, probably for balance reasons.
Salvage
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Salvage
so what do you think about this game having a miller while the othe doesn't apparently have one?
Rantai
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Rantai
It makes sense.

Actually being a parallel game what I suspect is instead of 1 cop/doc etc on each side there is 1 spanning both. For example city may have a cop and society may have a doc. Having a miller on both sides makes no sense if there is only 1 cop.

Of course that's all speculation but it also leaves room for other roles like watchers or whatever.
Salvage
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Salvage
so you're saying we have a cop on this game but not on the other while there is no doctor here basically?




btw in case someone missed it out, there is no hammering in these games and all the votes of both games get together at the deadline to decide the lynch .. there are like 67 hours till the deadline tho.
Rantai
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Rantai

Salvage wrote:

so you're saying we have a cop on this game but not on the other while there is no doctor here basically?
I can't say for certain but it seems far more likely than 2 doctors and 2 cops over the 2 games.
Backfire
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Backfire
Shit, I forgot to post in this :x
Hi ranny-chan.
Rantai
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Rantai
Hai.
Rantai
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Rantai
The Society can't be that much better than the City. Where'd everyone disappear to?
Lilac
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Lilac
Not sure.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
Back I am. Pretty much done with school except for the finals, so happy.

I don't understand why someone with Rantai's role would start by claiming from the get-go. Any reasons?
Backfire
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Backfire
One quick question before I say anything, am I allowed to talk about the other game? (probably in OP, too lazy to read)
Salvage
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Salvage
to show that there should be a cop in the game i guess, and not being suspicious of being godfather since he said that his flavour indicates the existance of a cop.
KRZY
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KRZY

Salvage wrote:

to show that there should be a cop in the game i guess, and not being suspicious of being godfather since he said that his flavour indicates the existance of a cop.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks.
Lilac
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Lilac
Both games are intertwined, yes you can Backfire.

My God.
Salvage
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Salvage
vote: Backfire



you got your quick answer, what were u gonna say?
Rantai
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Rantai
Vote: Backfire

I agree, I am curious as to what you wanted to say.

Also time for sleep. 10:30 am is way past my bedtime.
Luna
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Luna
For the Cop/Miller discussion;
I assume if Rantai's Miller claim is true, we probably have one Cop in either of the two games that investigates the Middle World. So the cop would probably return a guilty result if the target is scum in either game. Since that is a pretty strong ability it would make sense to use a miller or similar role to weaken it.
This is all conjecture of course.

Alternatively, maybe the Cop would have to choose which "version" of a player he wants to investigate (City/Society version) which would make the role a lot weaker but still viable.

I just doubt that the potential Cop can only investigate his side (City), that would be pretty lame to give such a powerful role to only one side and doesn't feel right in this "intervined" setup. Even if the Society got a different powerrole (Doc?) to make up for it, it still feels "wrong" to seperate everything like this with no possibility of interaction.
Backfire
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Backfire
Right, now I remember.
Why are you quick to call out Rantai, Salvage? You seemed eager enough to roleclaim very early for no discernable reason other than to spite me.
Backfire
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Backfire
By the way, I suggest you not lynch me yet.
Roleclaim : Tracker
I can be easily disproved if i'm lying. If I am, you can just lynch me the next day and have a mafia down.
It's your choice.
Salvage
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Salvage
hmmm i think the first idea strikes me odd cause of what NoHitter said at the beginning of the other thread :



The Middle World is being suspected as the main cause of this. The Middle World is a universe that destroys all instances of a person in all worlds if he is killed there.

it seems to me that the mafia members make the kills there .. and if the vanilla townies doesn't have access to it then i don't really see, from that point of view, how would you think vanillas can be investigated if they're not there (since the no action on vanilla roles not being able to be there i guess?).


so i'd guess the second idea is the correct one? .. it's weak and doesn't go along with the miller claim but the other one doesn't make much sense taking in mind what NoHitter pointed out about the middle world
Salvage
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Salvage
also Backfire :


is your role called Tracker?
Luna
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Luna
The quote by NoHItter doesn't say that townies die when they enter the middle world. It just says that if you die in the middle world, you die in both games.
And since Mafia kills are carried out in the Middle World that probably means that either everyone is considered to be "in the Middle World" during night (so Mafia can target and kill us there), or it is possible to affect/investigate both sides from the Middle World.
Meh, that probably sounded confusing.
Backfire
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Backfire
It's called Robot Scientist.
I send a robot tracker to middle world to check if anyone targeted anyone in both worlda.
Salvage
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Salvage
it doesn't

it's probabble that in night everyone is considered to be in the middle world at night .. still not likely cause i can't see how that would fit with the next paragraph that says :

A collection of selected suspects who are suspected to be able to access the Middle World has been gathered and a full investigation on the death of our beloved Leader will start.

meaning that not many people can enter it .. so it would be non-sense that everyone will be there at night.


cops investigating both sides from the middle world seem more likely and that could make the miller role work i guess.
KRZY
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KRZY
Judging by how Backfire's role works, the cop would likely get results for both worlds (i.e. XXX is town and town/town and mafia/mafia and mafia).

Pretty strong cop role but I guess that's why we have a miller.

Suspicions on Lilac at the moment mostly due to how he has been acting in the other thread. Nothing concrete though.
KRZY
Former osu! Champion: OWC#3
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KRZY
OK ninja me Salvage, I see how it is jk
Salvage
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Salvage
unvote, vote Lilac
bmin11
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bmin11
Sorry for the lack of contribution. Still in a middle of an important week (let alone the last week before Christmas Break).

I agree on that roles will be effected on both side, like cop's investigation and such.

I'll post more after reading the other thread as it seems most accusations are happening over there.
bmin11
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bmin11
Okay, I'm willing to use my vote for this game on Lilac. I'll vote after having Lilac's respond or a vote count.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Also, I'm going to stop the aggressive approach because I can't formulate an ARGUMENT as opposed to a sentence...

...That's right, Chris.
Jinxy
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Topic Starter
Jinxy
Current votecount for the City

Salvage - 1 (Lilac)
Backfire - 1 (Rantai)
Lilac - 1 (Salvage)
Rantai
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Rantai
Ahh affecting the middle world, that makes far more sense than a split system. Also;

Unvote - I believe Backfire for the moment.
Rantai
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Rantai
Given our claims for The City - We have;

Rantai - Miller
Lilac - Vanilla
Backfire - Tracker
Luna - Voyeur

Salvage -
bmin -
KRZY -

I'm highly skeptical that our suspect mafia from The Society are double mafias for the whole game (though I know it is possible). Going by a process of elimination, Salvage and Lilac stand out the most on this side.

Reasoning being that a vanilla claim is very safe for a mafia as no one can technically counter claim them and I believe that the existence of a tracker and voyeur is possible for the time being. However the voyeur claim is far far weaker than the tracker claim in my eyes at the moment and it seems that having a cop in there might overbalance it.

Going by that Vote: Lilac dual vanilla is the lesser of the believable stories.
Lilac
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Lilac
Miller is hardly believable if you're saying a cop might not exist.

What's the point in being a Miller then?
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