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on a personal level I would say that you should not look any further into this because generative neural networks are genuinely nothing but a harmful influence on any creative community

Riverism wrote:

on a personal level I would say that you should not look any further into this because generative neural networks are genuinely nothing but a harmful influence on any creative community

How about you let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do? They didn't ask for opinions.

Riverism wrote:

on a personal level I would say that you should not look any further into this because generative neural networks are genuinely nothing but a harmful influence on any creative community

agree

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

How about you let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do? They didn't ask for opinions.

since when do you need explicit permission to share an opinion? and besides that, it's a very relevant piece of information, as some people might not want to do things that are harmful for the community.

Pasi_ wrote:

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

How about you let everyone decide for themselves what they want to do? They didn't ask for opinions.

since when do you need explicit permission to share an opinion? and besides that, it's a very relevant piece of information, as some people might not want to do things that are harmful for the community.

Here's the thing though, that's merely an opinion and not factual information. It's not about needing permission, it's about giving unsolicited advice with the intention of policing other people's actions when there is no reason to do so.

Riverism wrote:

on a personal level I would say that you should not look any further into this because generative neural networks are genuinely nothing but a harmful influence on any creative community

If this were worded in a way to notify OP about rankability, I think the comment would've been just fine.

But, a personal opinion really wasn't needed

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

Here's the thing though, that's merely an opinion and not factual information.

sure, it's not factual information. nobody can predict the future. maybe we will all embrace the ai slop and live happily ever after, but the concern that these types of "tools" can have harmful effects on the community is very much valid, and considering the recent changes to the RC and the discussions surrounding it, the majority of the mapping community appears to agree with that sentiment.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

It's not about needing permission, it's about giving unsolicited advice with the intention of policing other people's actions when there is no reason to do so.

i don't think it's fair to call it unsolicited advice. who's to say that OP (or anyone else reading this thread) doesn't want to know that what they intend to do could have unintended, negative consequences? if i was the one asking OP's question, i certainly would want to be informed about that.

Pasi_ wrote:

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

Here's the thing though, that's merely an opinion and not factual information.

sure, it's not factual information. nobody can predict the future. maybe we will all embrace the ai slop and live happily ever after, but the concern that these types of "tools" can have harmful effects on the community is very much valid, and considering the recent changes to the RC and the discussions surrounding it, the majority of the mapping community appears to agree with that sentiment.

This is exactly my point, even if many people think it's detrimental, doesn't mean everyone has to see it the same way and can't/shouldn't use such tools.

Pasi_ wrote:

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

It's not about needing permission, it's about giving unsolicited advice with the intention of policing other people's actions when there is no reason to do so.

i don't think it's fair to call it unsolicited advice. who's to say that OP (or anyone else reading this thread) doesn't want to know that what they intend to do could have unintended, negative consequences? if i was the one asking OP's question, i certainly would want to be informed about that.

That's quite literally the definition of unsolicited: it means "not asked for". Again, you are misusing the word "informed". If it was about objective information (such as the RC change as someone mentioned above), it would be appropriate to mention it. However, you can't "inform" someone about your personal concerns, that's an assumption and encouragement for them to think/act according to your beliefs which isn't right.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

That's quite literally the definition of unsolicited: it means "not asked for".

correct, but "unsolicited" also carries a connotation of it being unwanted. that's why i said "i don't think it's fair to call it unsolicited", not straight up "it's not unsolicited". it technically meets the definition, but it's not necessarily unwanted.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

Again, you are misusing the word "informed". If it was about objective information (such as the RC change as someone mentioned above), it would be appropriate to mention it.

the fact that this kind of technology can negatively impact creative communities is exactly that - a fact. and if we want to act in the community's best interest, it is our responsibility to inform people about this.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

However, you can't "inform" someone about your personal concerns, that's an assumption and encouragement for them to think/act according to your beliefs which isn't right.

is it really? there is a difference between forcing your beliefs on others and merely telling them about them or encouraging them to look at it from another perspective.

Pasi_ wrote:

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

That's quite literally the definition of unsolicited: it means "not asked for".

correct, but "unsolicited" also carries a connotation of it being unwanted. that's why i said "i don't think it's fair to call it unsolicited", not straight up "it's not unsolicited". it technically meets the definition, but it's not necessarily unwanted.

Do you know if it's wanted? No, and you can't make that assumption either. In fact, they didn't even state any intention of using these tools, they only asked about their existence, which could also just be out of curiosity.

Pasi_ wrote:

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

Again, you are misusing the word "informed". If it was about objective information (such as the RC change as someone mentioned above), it would be appropriate to mention it.

the fact that this kind of technology can negatively impact creative communities is exactly that - a fact. and if we want to act in the community's best interest, it is our responsibility to inform people about this.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

However, you can't "inform" someone about your personal concerns, that's an assumption and encouragement for them to think/act according to your beliefs which isn't right.

is it really? there is a difference between forcing your beliefs on others and merely telling them about them or encouraging them to look at it from another perspective.

That's like someone asking how to make comfortable jump/stream patterns and then someone else replying that PP maps are bad for the game or whatever. It just doesn't make sense, even if it might be true according to some people, because for others it might be the opposite. This kind of comments also conveniently leave out potential positive or neutral aspects, so if you're that concerned about informing the community, why not do so by giving them the full picture instead of only one angle?
The point here is to let everyone do what they want, especially since they might just want to experiment with it for themselves because there is no harm in doing so.

community/forums/topics/2095517?n=47 i think this answer is sufficient for why we should not actively pass around things that can be harmful to or not in the spirit of the game.

subjectively i don’t feel worried/ threatened/ fear of being replaced/ degraded/ underestimated/ devalued/ discredited/ belittled that “AI has harmful influence towards the creative community” (in terms of mapping), much more of “oh another cool mapper!!” to me instead

i couldn’t speak for other gamemodes, so i’ll only mention about 4k mania
consider someone who completed mapping more than 100 full diff spread beatmaps, AI mapping is pretty much just not a bother to me; it’s like am i going to feel like my creativity is getting harmed? no - i have my own unorthodox way of mapping in emphasising music differently (in fact, most of us do have our own signature way, the only exception is if your patterns are repeatedly basic, generic, and predictable), if AI could adapt my unorthodox mapping style, i’d be happy to let it spread my creativity to whoever uses that prompt

in 4k mania, i would speculate that AI mapping would be a major harm to these sole pattern repeatedly c+v c+h/j spam maps, and predictable/ basic/ generic/ common/ ordinary patterning maps, patterns that are easy to replace or copy paste tend to have lesser uniqueness, at least from my perspective

regardless of the threat, the use of AI mapping is still on the loose, widely encouraged by some users, mainly because of an obvious factor: they couldn’t find an existing map to play on their favourite song (i’ll call this a speculation anyhow), therefore how many of us are going to volunteer for that cause to cut down the use of AI tools? (if you’re suggesting to just turn down their demanding desire to play a map on their favourite song and should just play other existing maps instead, while expecting them not to find other “ways” to achieve that, i would say lol wow)
i do requests for free occasionally and what i eventually got burnt out because my ass dopamine always come at the wrong fkng time

experienced mappers most likely will not resort to AI mapping because they know very well what it means by using it already (if they do i bet it is mostly because of curiosity, or really lazy), it’s easy to reach a conclusion about who are the major users of AI mapping tools, what’s funny is even people know the root cause of “why” using AI tools, nothing will still change, it’s just how human nature works
keep in mind that this is just my subjective opinion regarding that topic - it can sound either right or wrong to you

tldr my opinion: i don’t feel like my creativity is at risk of getting harmed regarding the use of AI mapping tools - i couldn’t say for the others but it’s nonchalantly lol to me