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CLICKMACHINE
526 posts
Joined March 2023
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CLICKMACHINE
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Online Saftey Act (OSA)
Visiting UK (ETA)

I think everyone can agree on how much the OSA breeches privacy. I mean I have never seen any online website asking for your ID verification. The scammers are gonna go crazy with this glitch.

The scale of the problem is children accessing the 18+ sites. I feel like a correct parental guidance should be enough to keep 'em away. From my experience, young children are often very curious about the unknown. For example let's say...

A asks B if you know what this is. If B doesn't know it, he'll find a way to uncover what it is. Now if he asks his parents what it means and the parents start panicking and trying to laugh it off, it only feeds into that curiosity. Just one scenario of many.

Idk much about the ETA but I've heard people yapping about how annoying it is. Do you agree with these laws or do you think both of these could be handled in a better manner.
hyperastro
63 posts
Joined May 2023
hyperastro
I disagree with the measure the UK government has implemented. I agree with you, children accessing 18+ sites should be responsibility of the parents not of government. To me this seems like the typical "think about the children" laws which only serve to suppress peoples freedoms.
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synthwavesquid
224 posts
Joined February 2021
synthwavesquid
it's not just porn that can be affected either. wikipedia may be expected to adhere to the strictest guidelines or risk being blocked in the UK. which, for reference, jeapordises the privacy of some of their contributors and means articles deemed inappropriate can get censored. they've refused so far and are arguing against it, but it'll be a month until results come of it. if the government doesn't budge... it sets an obvious precedent

they say it's to protect kids, but making it harder for kids to access *any* information about sex and reproductive biology is going to put them in more danger of sexual abuse. if they don't know the right words or what's even happening to them, then they aren't going to be able to effectively communicate that to people who can help them, and it's going to encourage the stigma and discomfort/fear that turns people away from talking about these topics in the first place. same goes for anything else that gets deemed "too mature" for kids. things like drugs and addiction or violence

there's a petition for people in the UK to sign that calls for the act to be repealed. its gotten enough signatures to be up for debate in parliament, but the initial response the government gave basically amounts to "lmao, no". i'd hope if there's enough pushback something will be done, but it won't surprise me if the laws are here to stay
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myangelkonata
204 posts
Joined March 2024
myangelkonata
As someone who isn’t British, this is absolute horseshit innit?

I’m not giving my ID to ANY platform as I am NOT having that shit leaked in a data breach.
If you want to bypass them I strongly recommend ProtonVPN as it doesn’t require a subscription for unlimited use
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synthwavesquid
224 posts
Joined February 2021
synthwavesquid
also these measures have made it possible for fake/malicious sites to ask for ID "for age verification" without it immediately ringing alarm bells, so you don't even necessarily need a data breach for your info to be stolen (though it would still require you to be handing that data over in the first place, which i'm sure a lot of less privacy-conscious people would)

though it's funny that it really is as simple as using a VPN to get around these checks
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CLICKMACHINE
526 posts
Joined March 2023
Topic Starter
CLICKMACHINE

synthwavesquid wrote:

they say it's to protect kids, but making it harder for kids to access *any* information about sex and reproductive biology is going to put them in more danger of sexual abuse. if they don't know the right words or what's even happening to them, then they aren't going to be able to effectively communicate that to people who can help them, and it's going to encourage the stigma and discomfort/fear that turns people away from talking about these topics in the first place. same goes for anything else that gets deemed "too mature" for kids. things like drugs and addiction or violence
Exactly my point, well said.

It kinda got me thinking, does it ask for every single website you go through or just the 18+ ones? Cuz I've seen some sites that don't care if you 18 or not they just put you straight into it. Also yes, why bother with this if all of 'em are gonna use VPN in the end?

Idk about UK but petitions over here tend to fall through if it doesn't benefit the government in any way. (Though it might be different now with the new president).
Farfocele
1,103 posts
Joined April 2020
Farfocele
I do not think this is a good idea, it's stupid.
ClevelandsMyBro
880 posts
Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro
bit sad innit
shiratorxi
124 posts
Joined April 2023
shiratorxi

CLICKMACHINE wrote:

Do you agree with these laws or do you think both of these could be handled in a better manner.
This won't stop the problem and will only make it bigger. People will look for other places because there will always be some way of easily getting access adult content.
Neigdoig
719 posts
Joined May 2021
Neigdoig
I'm not about to give out my ID just to be blackmailed by any one government.

I may be American, but what's happening in the UK is a sign of what quite some blackmailed peeps are doing, point blank cart blanche. Not to mention that I see ties to Rome, as they want to kill everyone who doesn't follow the 1300's edict of what's called Unum Sanctum. Look that up.
Slowpoke1135
889 posts
Joined February 2024
Slowpoke1135
i think its poo poo balls
Jangsoodlor
611 posts
Joined December 2020
Jangsoodlor

Neigdoig wrote:

Not to mention that I see ties to Rome, as they want to kill everyone who doesn't follow the 1300's edict of what's called Unum Sanctum. Look that up.
Merci????

Are you suggesting that there exists the contents of Index Librorum Prohibitorum on the internet, which the British government, the 0th Parish of the Church of England, the Vatican and maybe the globalist world elite all somehow work in tandem to suppress its knowledge, or something similar is happening?
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tapperruiii
75 posts
Joined July 2024
tapperruiii
Wack law from the beans on toast land. Atleast VPNs exist to avoid this.
synthwavesquid
224 posts
Joined February 2021
synthwavesquid

CLICKMACHINE wrote:

It kinda got me thinking, does it ask for every single website you go through or just the 18+ ones? Cuz I've seen some sites that don't care if you 18 or not they just put you straight into it. Also yes, why bother with this if all of 'em are gonna use VPN in the end?

Idk about UK but petitions over here tend to fall through if it doesn't benefit the government in any way. (Though it might be different now with the new president).
depends on the site/app. there's guidelines for which sites will need to do anything. it depends on popularity, the kind of content they allow, presence of algorithms that affect what users see, that sort of thing. for the most part, basically any 18+ sites and any social media/other platforms that allow mature content, assuming ofcom knows it exists. so it could be popular social media like bluesky, x/twitter, reddit, discord, etc., video game platforms like xbox, possibly wikipedia and sites like it, and maybe any 18+ site you might think of (if you thought of a particular furry-related one, that one actually hasn't done anything yet)

(to be clear, that's a non-exhuastive list)

a few sites i use that do freely host porn (requiring you to login or not) haven't felt the need to implement anything yet. for some reason youtube just accepts that i'm over-18, but that site's had verification for a while iirc

can't comment on how all petitions go in the UK, but right now there isn't much reason to expect anything signficant to come of this one

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Neigdoig wrote:

I'm not about to give out my ID just to be blackmailed by any one government.

I may be American, but what's happening in the UK is a sign of what quite some blackmailed peeps are doing, point blank cart blanche. Not to mention that I see ties to Rome, as they want to kill everyone who doesn't follow the 1300's edict of what's called Unum Sanctum. Look that up.
i have my doubts the government is specifically thinking of unum sanctum. there's a lot of justifications one could make for why censorship and identity verification is good without necessarily tying it to religion or some conspiracy
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Lotus7
36 posts
Joined January 2022
Lotus7
I feel like instead of making everything stricter, there should be a focus on digital literacy—teaching people how to navigate the internet safely and responsibly. Otherwise it’s just going to end up as another law that people bypass while the problems stay the same.
BlueChinchompa
799 posts
Joined May 2019
BlueChinchompa

great_elmo wrote:

As someone who isn’t British, this is absolute horseshit innit?

I’m not giving my ID to ANY platform as I am NOT having that shit leaked in a data breach.
If you want to bypass them I strongly recommend ProtonVPN as it doesn’t require a subscription for unlimited use
Mullvad is also a good choice and has many different ways to pay for it (crypto, bank transfer, mail in)

You can also rent out a VPS and install WG-Easy, outline, or OpenVPN. If you have a friend who is willing they can also grab a spare laptop or minipc and install one of those options and it works well. I host a VPN for a Russian friend of mine with Outline.

Theres also a website called https://kycnot.me/ that lists a lot of services (VPN's, VPS's, Crpyto, ect) that dont require Know Your Customer

It will probably cost more but the extra privacy is nice.

I also doubt they will block a lot of instances for alternative front ends (Redlib for reddit, Invidious for youtube, and nitter for twitter) so those can work for blocked content hopefully :3 [url=nadeko.net]nadeko.net[/url] hosts a lot of services but if you check the git repos of most of these alternatives they usually link to some instances.

Im writing this a bit late hopefully this wont be too confusing bleh
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Slowpoke1135
889 posts
Joined February 2024
Slowpoke1135
now that i think abt it its bad as it pushes miners and majors to visit sites with illegl on it
Farfocele
1,103 posts
Joined April 2020
Farfocele
Sounds like they are wankers.
tapperruiii
75 posts
Joined July 2024
tapperruiii

Slowpoke1135 wrote:

now that i think abt it its bad as it pushes miners and majors to visit sites with illegl on it
how would it push minors to go onto these sites? that makes absolutely no sense
synthwavesquid
224 posts
Joined February 2021
synthwavesquid

tapperruiii wrote:

Slowpoke1135 wrote:

now that i think abt it its bad as it pushes miners and majors to visit sites with illegl on it
how would it push minors to go onto these sites? that makes absolutely no sense
line of logic is basically this:

person tries to access porn on a more mainstream, regulated site -> finds out they have to put their ID in -> this is either not possible or not something they want to do -> they look for a different site until they find one that doesn't require ID -> this site may be less well-regulated, may be more likely to contain illegal content

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BlueChinchompa wrote:

great_elmo wrote:

As someone who isn’t British, this is absolute horseshit innit?

I’m not giving my ID to ANY platform as I am NOT having that shit leaked in a data breach.
If you want to bypass them I strongly recommend ProtonVPN as it doesn’t require a subscription for unlimited use
Mullvad is also a good choice and has many different ways to pay for it (crypto, bank transfer, mail in)

You can also rent out a VPS and install WG-Easy, outline, or OpenVPN. If you have a friend who is willing they can also grab a spare laptop or minipc and install one of those options and it works well. I host a VPN for a Russian friend of mine with Outline.

Theres also a website called https://kycnot.me/ that lists a lot of services (VPN's, VPS's, Crpyto, ect) that dont require Know Your Customer

It will probably cost more but the extra privacy is nice.

I also doubt they will block a lot of instances for alternative front ends (Redlib for reddit, Invidious for youtube, and nitter for twitter) so those can work for blocked content hopefully :3 [url=nadeko.net]nadeko.net[/url] hosts a lot of services but if you check the git repos of most of these alternatives they usually link to some instances.

Im writing this a bit late hopefully this wont be too confusing bleh
this is very useful, thank you
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Ymir
1,935 posts
Joined June 2020
Ymir
I wouldn't really trust a free VPN, Mullvad is best
Slowpoke1135
889 posts
Joined February 2024
Slowpoke1135
yeah the guy speakingg facts yo. if you block clean water access to small vilage they will drink the dirty water snythsquid or smth my goat
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser
if the law was implemented successfully in the way they intended it to go,
It will reduce minors getting into contact with paedos from social networks like Facebook and Instagram since such platforms will have to restrict minors. And there are so many vulnerable people on the internet and it will have a some impact on reducing victims of such cases. This is just one example. Cons include whatever you guys have mentioned.

This wouldn't have been an issue if parents knew how to protect their children and ensure their safety, but clearly most families fail when it comes to this...
Naiad
1,102 posts
Joined May 2019
Naiad
I know I'm late but just wanted to add that yes screw that crap. This is the job of parents/guardians.
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