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What should I focus on as a returning player?

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Chiquitraka
For the past 6 months I haven't touched osu! at all, and now that I'm done with studying for an exam, I was wondering what should I do? Given that I'm fresh and have a lot of free time, maybe it's time to go all out on osu once again, or should I take it slow?

Most importantly, I want to play 7k to a high level and thought that maybe this hiatus would help me adapt faster.

I have many other questions regarding this process (some related to maps such as if I should stick to the same maps I played before once I regain my ability to play as I used to), but the ones stated above are my main concerns.

Thanks in advance.
Slowpoke1135
if you wanna learn 7k just play 7k and learn. youll improve alittle faster because previous experience but not that much faster

copy paste link to my advicr thread lol
SwagBoyOnOsu
Ngl I'm in the same boat of wanting to get back into actually playing this game now that my exams are over. I've been mapping tho since that's been more fun and easier for me to unwind when I was studying.

To be honest, I don't think you should take a systematic approach to start replaying. Everyone is going to say "have fun", and you can't argue with it because why not have fun? Just let impulse do its thing and eventually you'll figure it out. Stuff like "Oh yea I love this song/map and want to play it again after so long", or "yea I wanted to get good at 7k, let me play this 7k song".
But if you want actual proper focus on your goal and have time for it or worry that impulse will hinder you in some way, dedicate maybe 20 minutes to 7k then keep playing 7k if you're feeling like it.
Wimpy Cursed
probably unlearned some bad habits, so progression should be generally natural.
good luck
Topic Starter
Chiquitraka

Slowpoke1135 wrote:

if you wanna learn 7k just play 7k and learn. youll improve alittle faster because previous experience but not that much faster

copy paste link to my advicr thread lol
Thank you for the thread, it is somewhat simple but you address key points, such as the A-rank and S-rank progression.

But I do have a question regarding the wrist up and down playstlye. You said you are a wrist-up player, but are your arms floating? I try to maintain my wrists down as I put pressure on my desk while I play and my arms moving freely tire my forearms even more. I also don't have cushions on the edge of my desk so I end uo with marks on the lower part of my wrists.
SwagBoyOnOsu

Chiquitraka wrote:

Slowpoke1135 wrote:

if you wanna learn 7k just play 7k and learn. youll improve alittle faster because previous experience but not that much faster

copy paste link to my advicr thread lol
Thank you for the thread, it is somewhat simple but you address key points, such as the A-rank and S-rank progression.

But I do have a question regarding the wrist up and down playstlye. You said you are a wrist-up player, but are your arms floating? I try to maintain my wrists down as I put pressure on my desk while I play and my arms moving freely tire my forearms even more. I also don't have cushions on the edge of my desk so I end uo with marks on the lower part of my wrists.
His arms would be essentially floating, yes. The point of wrist-up is to leverage your arm movement more. That said, people will play wrist down since it's simply more natural. I'm pretty sure it gives more manageable finger control as well as not being as exhausting for endurance. End of the day, it's a preference, though I think wrist down players do eventually practice switching between wrist down and wrist up once the speed they tap isn't cutting it for them anymore. That is something I did at least, until my wrist down gaming became capable of the speeds of my wrist up tapping, I've not had to use wrist up for anything in a long time.
Topic Starter
Chiquitraka

SwagBoyOnOsu wrote:

Ngl I'm in the same boat of wanting to get back into actually playing this game now that my exams are over. I've been mapping tho since that's been more fun and easier for me to unwind when I was studying.

To be honest, I don't think you should take a systematic approach to start replaying. Everyone is going to say "have fun", and you can't argue with it because why not have fun? Just let impulse do its thing and eventually you'll figure it out. Stuff like "Oh yea I love this song/map and want to play it again after so long", or "yea I wanted to get good at 7k, let me play this 7k song".
But if you want actual proper focus on your goal and have time for it or worry that impulse will hinder you in some way, dedicate maybe 20 minutes to 7k then keep playing 7k if you're feeling like it.
It's just that I'm worried I will commit the same mistakes as when I was a beginner, like overplaying the songs I like and not practicing my weaknesses.

Also, how could I balance 4k and 7k? Idk if you liked both gamemodes, but if you did and practiced them, what would you say is best, a 50/50 approach or focusing more on the main/new keycount? For example, I used to play 4k for 2 hours every day with a one day rest every four days, but now that I will be introducing 7k, does it needs to take more time of my 2 hours, less, or dedicate one hour for each mode?

I have been enjoying 7k a lot (even tough it has just been one day lol) and as you said, I just keep playing it because I feel like it, but I also don't want to let 4k rustier than it is right now.

Wimpy Cursed wrote:

probably unlearned some bad habits, so progression should be generally natural.
good luck
Ii doesn't let me reply to you so I had to edit this.
I just wanted to say thanks. :D

Maybe the maps I have mindblocked will be easier to play again (true Dj MAG im looking at you).

SwagBoyOnOsu wrote:

His arms would be essentially floating, yes. The point of wrist-up is to leverage your arm movement more. That said, people will play wrist down since it's simply more natural. I'm pretty sure it gives more manageable finger control as well as not being as exhausting for endurance. End of the day, it's a preference, though I think wrist down players do eventually practice switching between wrist down and wrist up once the speed they tap isn't cutting it for them anymore. That is something I did at least, until my wrist down gaming became capable of the speeds of my wrist up tapping, I've not had to use wrist up for anything in a long time.
I tried to play like that but my precision was terrible even though my fingers were considerably faster; my forearms would cramp up in a matter of seconds because of the new speed level I could achieve and I have never used it even for hard, dense sections (I think they are called bursts).

After a really short time playing like that, I switched bak to wrist-down and played most skillsets as chordjacks (using my wrists, like jumping), this hindered my ability to play LN and I really suck at it, so maybe now I should switch my playstyle focusing on wearing out my forearms before utilizing my wrists?
SwagBoyOnOsu
Well I'll leave someone else to answer how to balance both 4k and 7k gaming since I'm not into 7k, just suggested something you could try. I think the answer to how to balance is "you don't", but I'll let someone else answer, don't trust me on that.

As for the whole wrist up and down thing, it's just a matter of leveraging different parts of your body. In fact, I neglecting mentioning how I did wrist up in RoBeats on songs with parts that were spammy for me, just trying to practice getting more speed and stamina despite the fact I was doing terribly lol. I'm a wrist down player.
Realistically, I love jump/handstream the most, and I'm pretty sure I do some sort of arm-push movement to hit jumps or hands during them, otherwise I just use my fingers and sometimes wrists for chords. And with LN especially, it's kind of hard to leverage those parts since your finger is anchoring your hand.

All of this to say: The part of your arm/hand you use for a pattern depends on the pattern. There definitely are ways of training certain parts to be faster (like for example, when I want to practice finger speed I try to bring it all the way up before tapping back down on faster-than-usual patterns), but the part you use is incredibly dependent. LN especially can throw you off due to the anchoring of fingers and hand to the key while doing otherwise-familar patterns, it's something I need to re-practice.

Edit: Also going to add, usually if you want to practice a skill you're bad at, you dedicate a play session to it. Personally, I like taking map packs or graveyarded songs, practicing the skill they provide, and then try to apply it to ranked maps where it will be slightly different but with more stakes (rank, pp, accuracy! big number go bigger!). Not to say I don't get satisfaction out of doing better on the song I practiced also.
Slowpoke1135
i should be learning 8k but i barely play it lol i dont balance at all
Stickman92
As a proffesional quitter.

Plz have fun (very important)
&
Don't go rushing into the all the diffficult maps u used to play.
Topic Starter
Chiquitraka

SwagBoyOnOsu wrote:

Well I'll leave someone else to answer how to balance both 4k and 7k gaming since I'm not into 7k, just suggested something you could try. I think the answer to how to balance is "you don't", but I'll let someone else answer, don't trust me on that.

As for the whole wrist up and down thing, it's just a matter of leveraging different parts of your body. In fact, I neglecting mentioning how I did wrist up in RoBeats on songs with parts that were spammy for me, just trying to practice getting more speed and stamina despite the fact I was doing terribly lol. I'm a wrist down player.
Realistically, I love jump/handstream the most, and I'm pretty sure I do some sort of arm-push movement to hit jumps or hands during them, otherwise I just use my fingers and sometimes wrists for chords. And with LN especially, it's kind of hard to leverage those parts since your finger is anchoring your hand.

All of this to say: The part of your arm/hand you use for a pattern depends on the pattern. There definitely are ways of training certain parts to be faster (like for example, when I want to practice finger speed I try to bring it all the way up before tapping back down on faster-than-usual patterns), but the part you use is incredibly dependent. LN especially can throw you off due to the anchoring of fingers and hand to the key while doing otherwise-familar patterns, it's something I need to re-practice.

Edit: Also going to add, usually if you want to practice a skill you're bad at, you dedicate a play session to it. Personally, I like taking map packs or graveyarded songs, practicing the skill they provide, and then try to apply it to ranked maps where it will be slightly different but with more stakes (rank, pp, accuracy! big number go bigger!). Not to say I don't get satisfaction out of doing better on the song I practiced also.
Thanks for your reply, I should have known there is no balance between 4k and 7k, as there is no player who is the best at both, just people who like one more than the other and, even if they are not the best, they are pretty decent and that's the real goal of a game, to entertain people.

I also do love streams in general (jump, hand, quad, etc.), my favorite charts are all in this category, but I do like many other maps (not as much as the ones in the category previously mentioned), and to play them you need to practice all skillsets; ln is just a pain to learn, but with this new start maybe I can try out easy maps I neglected because I deemed to easy (with the ln pp nerf, I consider the new star rating atrocious, obviously only for ln).

With that said, I did practice ln a lot but maybe now I will dedicate entire sessions to it, like twice the playtime for the other patterns. Do you posses some ln map packs you could share per chance? I have lots but more will always be appreciated.

Stickman92 wrote:

As a proffesional quitter.

Plz have fun (very important)
&
Don't go rushing into the all the diffficult maps u used to play.
Thank you for the tips. I am really eager to play the same maps I used to but I know I will perform horribly (just did that with some jack and jumpstream maps, didn't even got an S when I used to >99% them)

As for the funsies, we will see, I do love the game but sometimes it makes me go nuts. I will take it easy.
SwagBoyOnOsu

Chiquitraka wrote:

With that said, I did practice ln a lot but maybe now I will dedicate entire sessions to it, like twice the playtime for the other patterns. Do you posses some ln map packs you could share per chance? I have lots but more will always be appreciated.
I'm guessing whatever LN map packs I have you may also have, but I'll share them anyways as well as just a few LN maps that I like a lot. Ngl, some recent ranked maps which aren't scared of LN have been pretty good lol.

PACKS:
beatmapsets/1532787#mania/3497641
beatmapsets/1962406#mania/4067204
beatmapsets/1939237#mania/4009271
beatmapsets/1736649#mania/3549381 (I do this on HT)
beatmapsets/714083#mania/1509196
beatmapsets/368373#mania/819048 (I haven't done this one in a long time lol)
beatmapsets/649610#mania/1376790 (Nor this one in an even longer time, I forgot I had it lol)

4K LN DAN EXISTS, IG: (don't become a dan addict pls)
beatmapsets/891143#mania/1862816
beatmapsets/891152#mania/1862832
beatmapsets/891157#mania/1862842

MAPS:
...So i ended up dumping just about every map with good LN presence that I played in the past and liked practicing, so I'm just going to put it in this document here. : )
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16cXjP_CAdxeRqDEA2lYF_xE8kmqVviO_6Gte9ncS4jE/edit?usp=sharing
Topic Starter
Chiquitraka

SwagBoyOnOsu wrote:

Chiquitraka wrote:

With that said, I did practice ln a lot but maybe now I will dedicate entire sessions to it, like twice the playtime for the other patterns. Do you posses some ln map packs you could share per chance? I have lots but more will always be appreciated.
I'm guessing whatever LN map packs I have you may also have, but I'll share them anyways as well as just a few LN maps that I like a lot. Ngl, some recent ranked maps which aren't scared of LN have been pretty good lol.

PACKS:
beatmapsets/1532787#mania/3497641
beatmapsets/1962406#mania/4067204
beatmapsets/1939237#mania/4009271
beatmapsets/1736649#mania/3549381 (I do this on HT)
beatmapsets/714083#mania/1509196
beatmapsets/368373#mania/819048 (I haven't done this one in a long time lol)
beatmapsets/649610#mania/1376790 (Nor this one in an even longer time, I forgot I had it lol)

4K LN DAN EXISTS, IG: (don't become a dan addict pls)
beatmapsets/891143#mania/1862816
beatmapsets/891152#mania/1862832
beatmapsets/891157#mania/1862842

MAPS:
...So i ended up dumping just about every map with good LN presence that I played in the past and liked practicing, so I'm just going to put it in this document here. : )
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16cXjP_CAdxeRqDEA2lYF_xE8kmqVviO_6Gte9ncS4jE/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you so much!, and sorry for the late response.

I didn't have half the mapsets you provided to me, but the few ones I did, man, Hylotl really knew how to make my fingers burn and cramp. I somehow treated them as the next step of the arcwinolivirus map packs, which are really hard but not ridiculously complex patterns.

The doc was full of maps I haven't ever played, and the neat part is that I can actually see if I have them in my songs folder as most of them are ranked (the vast majority of ln practice maps I have are like chordjack packs, being graveyard maps).

The full LN maps are by far the hardest ones, and I practiced them as much as chordjacks but really never passed above 5 stars. Maybe I'm not suitable to play LN, after 3 years it's the only pattern can't seem to make any progress.

And thanks again to all of you who gave me amazing advice, specially SwagBoyOnOsu. :D
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