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Stable vs Lazer

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QuinTekno
38 posts
Joined July 2022
Topic Starter
QuinTekno
So…
I’ve been playing on stable for about a year or so now and I still keep debating whether or not to switch to lazer…

Thoughts? Pros and cons?
McEndu
1,409 posts
Joined March 2019
McEndu
Lazer features mobile, Mac and Linux support, along with a revised look and mechanics (slider head accuracy etc.). It is a bit more demanding on hardware than stable. See Upgrading to lazer.
QuinTekno
38 posts
Joined July 2022
Topic Starter
QuinTekno

McEndu wrote:

Lazer features mobile, Mac and Linux support, along with a revised look and mechanics (slider head accuracy etc.). It is a bit more demanding on hardware than stable. See Upgrading to lazer.
Yeah indeed, I really like Lazer but it's mainly the UI that throws me off to be honest...
McEndu
1,409 posts
Joined March 2019
McEndu
Though I suggest try it yourself, if it's smooth in gameplay things are good
Nanofranne
840 posts
Joined May 2018
Nanofranne
Some subjective (As in what I like) pros to mainly play on lazer client over stable:
1. Easier HUD customisation. Previously on stable, you have to use skin folders, know how to edit skin elements yourself, etc. Now on lazer, you have easier option to simply move and resize skin elements
2. No Notelock. I personally don't mind notelock but I'm aware a huge portion of players do, so there you go
3. Easier to pass hard maps. If you're more of a pass player rather than consistency, lazer might benefit you
4. Your mileage will vary, but the lazer performance is better on my laptop than on stable

I think you can try both and play it side by side, decide it for yourself. If you have some specific problems persist on lazer (poor performance, lag spikes, weird aiming, consistency issue, simply can't get used to it, etc) then I suggest to hold back a bit for future updates
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Happy Satoko
294 posts
Joined November 2019
Happy Satoko
The number of players on Lazer is still insignificant for a reason, it doesn't take as much convincing as people make out to get someone to switch to truly better software... Whether you personally will have the same issues with it that the majority of players do, who knows.
Naiad
1,110 posts
Joined May 2019
Naiad
It lags like crazy on some maps (and my computer is not bad). Also, it just feels off. I constantly hit late (not an offset issue) and my aim is noticeably worse on it.

As far as gameplay goes, the removal of notelock is a great feature. Many flow aim maps are objectively easier, which can make farming easier.

On many maps, though, it's harder to get pp because of slider acc (there are plans to eventually make slider acc increase pp but for now it doesn't), which also puts many people off.
QuinTekno
38 posts
Joined July 2022
Topic Starter
QuinTekno
Damn thanks for all the replies, I was really curious about other people’s opinions about it ^^

I switched over to lazer for a few days before but went back to stable because of the UI in lazer >_<
anaxii
15,192 posts
Joined December 2022
anaxii
I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
QuinTekno
38 posts
Joined July 2022
Topic Starter
QuinTekno

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
Indeed, single-handedly the only thing that’s stopping me to make the switch, they should make it “skinnable” or have an option to have the stable UI imo
anaxii
15,192 posts
Joined December 2022
anaxii

QuinTekno wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
Indeed, single-handedly the only thing that’s stopping me to make the switch, they should make it “skinnable” or have an option to have the stable UI imo
The option to have the stable UI sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure they don't care about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
tabbi
100 posts
Joined January 2013
tabbi

Naiad wrote:

It lags like crazy on some maps (and my computer is not bad).
I tried playing Depth mod last night and my PC nearly exploded. I didn't think my computer was that bad, but apparently it is.
Lyawi
Technical Support Team
4,139 posts
Joined February 2015
Lyawi

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

QuinTekno wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
Indeed, single-handedly the only thing that’s stopping me to make the switch, they should make it “skinnable” or have an option to have the stable UI imo
The option to have the stable UI sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure they don't care about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tried to talk about that on GitHub yet? peppy is really open to the community, so saying "I'm sure they don't care" feels just not right
McEndu
1,409 posts
Joined March 2019
McEndu
I think UI skinning would need a more complex skinning system...
Happy Satoko
294 posts
Joined November 2019
Happy Satoko

Lyawi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

QuinTekno wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
Indeed, single-handedly the only thing that’s stopping me to make the switch, they should make it “skinnable” or have an option to have the stable UI imo
The option to have the stable UI sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure they don't care about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tried to talk about that on GitHub yet? peppy is really open to the community, so saying "I'm sure they don't care" feels just not right
Of course it's been talked about. It's one of the most common things brought up on github, in the dev discord, and in youtube comments. If he doesn't know what players want by this point, it's by willful incompetence. "I'm sure they don't care" is a reasonable conclusion to come to.
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Lyawi
Technical Support Team
4,139 posts
Joined February 2015
Lyawi
They are listening https://github.com/ppy/osu/issues/22204
anaxii
15,192 posts
Joined December 2022
anaxii

Lyawi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

QuinTekno wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
Indeed, single-handedly the only thing that’s stopping me to make the switch, they should make it “skinnable” or have an option to have the stable UI imo
The option to have the stable UI sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure they don't care about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tried to talk about that on GitHub yet? peppy is really open to the community, so saying "I'm sure they don't care" feels just not right
Of course and I'm not the only one to say this. It's clear that they're reading everything on GitHub, but I'm afraid it will take a long time before that happens due to the complexity of making the UI customizable. If not, they'll focus on more important things without going back over it
Aveil
235 posts
Joined January 2018
Aveil
I much prefer stable's leaderboards. I like seeing my global rank on the map and knowing that it's based on an objective comparison to other scores. Also when I use the friend leaderboard, I don't want my scores to be inflated just because I'm playing on lazer (most of the time slideracc doesn't make enough of a difference to justify the 0.96x debuff - not to mention other modes also receiving the debuff). Even if I wanted to use the classic mod to make it an even comparison, scores with it don't even submit to the global leaderboard. The leaderboards on lazer just feel like a joke in terms of competitiveness compared to stable, last time I checked you could literally use the random mod and be on the global leaderboard. There's a feeling of realness and permanence to scores in stable, but I just don't get that feeling when I set scores on lazer. Having separate leaderboards for lazer and stable seems like a bad idea in the first place, it makes it harder to transition from stable to lazer. Why play on lazer where my scores won't be recorded on stable's leaderboard, the one which I prefer, when I can continue to play on stable and have my scores uploaded to both (albeit with the classic mod applied on lazer).

Sorry if this turned into more of a rant, the global leaderboard is a part of lazer that I don't see addressed or brought up much for how big of an issue it is.

Choose based on what you prefer, this is only my experience.
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QuinTekno
38 posts
Joined July 2022
Topic Starter
QuinTekno

Lyawi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

QuinTekno wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I hope they're going to change the UI because it's really horrible...
Indeed, single-handedly the only thing that’s stopping me to make the switch, they should make it “skinnable” or have an option to have the stable UI imo
The option to have the stable UI sounds like a good idea, but I'm sure they don't care about that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tried to talk about that on GitHub yet? peppy is really open to the community, so saying "I'm sure they don't care" feels just not right
No, thanbks for reminding me though, I'm gonna do that right now. ^^
Voidblow
1 post
Joined March 2024
Voidblow
Ill be honest, osu lazer is better then osu stable with customization. MY OPINION
Naiad
1,110 posts
Joined May 2019
Naiad

Voidblow wrote:

Ill be honest, osu lazer is better then osu stable with customization. MY OPINION
Necropost aside, with 6 hours of playtime across all modes, there is a 0% chance you could have an educated opinion on this matter
Lyawi
Technical Support Team
4,139 posts
Joined February 2015
Lyawi
I do think the opinions from very new players matter as a huge part too. If we only stick to "the old stable users" then nothing would ever change
Naiad
1,110 posts
Joined May 2019
Naiad

Lyawi wrote:

I do think the opinions from very new players matter as a huge part too. If we only stick to "the old stable users" then nothing would ever change
Sure, but with 6 hours he won't even be familiar with all of the features of either one.
BenjaminElling9
1 post
Joined October 2023
BenjaminElling9
The gameplay is way better on stable and the skins also has way higher quality and readability aswell compared to lazer where they look like cheap versions and same for the cursor
yosh890
20 posts
Joined November 2023
yosh890
My opinion:
So I started my osu! journey on lazer (before it was ranked, as well) and it was pretty great.
But, now that I moved to stable (yes, I went backwards)... I can't go back to lazer.
It's not the interface that puts me off, I actually like how lazer looks right now (but I really don't like the new interface that hasn't come in yet)

In lazer, my cursor movement feels a lot smoother (bad) and that it is lagging behind slightly. I'm a mouse player so I don't really know how it compares to smoothing in tablet drivers, but it feels wrong to me. I think it might be a performance issue, but I'm not totally sure.
I also have this weird issue where sometimes it will randomly change my offset and make me start tapping late. Restarting the game seems to work.
Lazer also has an issue when where I'm using screen scaling, the mouse sensitivity setting doesn't work the same as stable. I have asked about this on github.
Also, lazer has far worse performance in conjunction with overlays, if you care about that kind of thing. (It's unplayable for me!)
So, while lazer has many benefits, there are just a few remaining issues that make me not want to switch back to it, even if that was how I started playing the game.

(and yes, i know opinions from relatively new 6 digits don't really matter!)
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[-Snapy-]
372 posts
Joined April 2023
[-Snapy-]
For me there are a few reasons why Lazer is very unappealing for me:

1. Slider acc, no one asked for this, why complicate what’s already working fine.

2. Design, I know they are trying to work on it and take players feedback, but like I’m a person who doesn’t like change and going from the cozy and warm stable to fucking osu! from 2100’s is just awful.

3. Mechanics, going to Lazer on the same ass settings as stable compares to suddenly switching from tablet to mouse. It feels like I’m aiming a flat surface, like I looked at every god damn setting and there was nothing, it’s a day and night difference, yet no one can really pinpoint what’s wrong.

4. Just doing a dick move and abandoning stable with a “we’ll stop supporting it when no one is playing it anymore” mentality.
CHESTS114514
2 posts
Joined December 2023
CHESTS114514
In my opinion, Laser is more better than stable. Laser got tons of versions. It supports almost all of the systems(e.g. almost full ver of linux, AndroidOS and more) .But Stable is only support to run at Win or Mac.
Mugenq
255 posts
Joined January 2023
Mugenq
Lazer is not stable for some people. So if you want your client to perform the same way everytime you boot up, then maybe it's not for you.
Slowpoke1135
897 posts
Joined February 2024
Slowpoke1135
lazer is better nice ui and download song ingame and theres less sexual anime women jumpscare from downloading a new skin

please do not dig up prehistoric threads im pretty sure its like bad or smth lol
QuinTekno
38 posts
Joined July 2022
Topic Starter
QuinTekno
I appreciate everyone's input 💙
However, this post is from over a year ago now so no need anymore (≧ヮ≦) 💕
[-Snapy-]
372 posts
Joined April 2023
[-Snapy-]
all it takes is for one fucking dude to give his opinion 4 months after the disscusion has ended -_-
AccountWontWork
2,095 posts
Joined March 2021
AccountWontWork
I like both
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