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how to improve finger control/tapping?

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goose7849
i've been playing for a few months now and just finally am able to do semi okay at mid 3 star maps. i can't play a lot of them though because for some reason i just can't figure out how to tap consistently on time. the minute a map hits me with a triple stack followed by a double 9/10 i end up missing, or BARELY hitting it.

its almost as if i've gotten worse at tapping and finger control as i play more actually. it's really frustrating because when my tapping hand gets tired i'll go do relax on 4 and 5 star maps til it's okay, and i can hit almost everything. so clearly my aim is decent, but the whole tapping skill is really far behind it.

i'd be so good at the game if i could just actually play it lol

i've tried messing with offsets since my unstable rate is actually insane, it was 504 once on a map i passed with like a C lmao, which has helped a little i think.
and i've been doing finger control practice maps and very slow stream practice maps, etc for about a month now just to try and build the muscle memory, stamina, and whatever but i'm literally just getting worse at it?

if anyone has any advice i'd appreciate it
Earthquake
I would just continue to play more of those maps that challenge you.

One outside of the game tip that I'm not sure does anything is practicing alternating the patterns just on your own without a map, like trying to hit zxz xz or xzx zx or whatever pattern you want to practice.
FrostyF
The 3* range is actually kinda huge and took me forever to get through. Looking at your profile, you are just entering 3* (congrats on your first FC medal today). You've been improving steadily since 2m so I wouldn't worry and just keep doing what you've been doing. Triples (zxz) get a lot more common in the 3* and you'll get better at them the more you play them.

This is a pretty good finger control map. Disclaimer: it's more difficult than normal 3.21* maps
beatmapsets/24626#osu/83712
Simon12
It's most likely a reading issue.
Topic Starter
goose7849
thank you! improvement is tough and yeah getting past 3 stars seems impossible at the moment but when i go replay songs that seemed impossibly fast in the 2 star range i realize how easy it looks now, so i guess most of it is just gonna come with time. and thanks i appreciate that, i'll download that map and try it.

and no it's not reading, i had a lot of issues learning how to actually read the different ar's but im semi decent at it now, it's just i can't tap very well lol.
Simon12
Can you alternate?
Topic Starter
goose7849
yeah i full alternate
AccountWontWork
play more 3* maps, and don't play 4* and 5* for now.
Topic Starter
goose7849
thanks, i'm gonna focus more on strictly 3 stars. i couldn't play 4 and 5 stars even if i tried anyways lol, i just play them with relax when my tapping hand needs a break because they're more entertaining to track than most 3 stars
FrostyF
Topic Starter
goose7849
thanks! i have 6k songs but i'm always grateful for more to add to the collection, i'll try em out later today. that one map you recommended in your first reply is harder than i thought it'd be but it's great practice so thanks for that too.
DM FOR MUTUAL
Sorry for the long and rambly response, I literally have the inability to write anything concisely.



goose7849 wrote:

its almost as if i've gotten worse at tapping and finger control as i play more actually. it's really frustrating because when my tapping hand gets tired i'll go do relax on 4 and 5 star maps til it's okay, and i can hit almost everything. so clearly my aim is decent, but the whole tapping skill is really far behind it.
This doesn't really relate to your finger control problem, but I'd just thought I'd point it out. Thinking your aim is good and your tapping is holding you back because you can play high star maps with relax is kind of a misconception. Literally everyone will be able to play maps a few stars higher with relax than what they can usually play, because just putting your cursor over the notes is a lot easier than having to put your cursor over the notes and having to tap them. Relax isn't actually that indicative of your true aiming ability, because flinging your cursor to every note and precisely placing your cursor over every note so you can tap them consistently and at the right time are fairly different. This doesn't necessarily mean the idea that "so clearly my aim is decent, but the whole tapping skill is really far behind it" is false, maybe your aim is actually cracked and you're hitting 4 star jumps with ease but you can't play anything because stacked notes trip you up every time, idk. It just means that relax isn't really that relevant to your ability to aim without it, or at least not as much as you probably think.

goose7849 wrote:

i've tried messing with offsets since my unstable rate is actually insane, it was 504 once on a map i passed with like a C lmao, which has helped a little i think.
Not really sure what this means. Sorry if I'm somehow misunderstanding and you know all this, but the lower the unstable rate the better. What counts as a good unstable rate depends a lot on the map you're playing, but for me, anything above 200 generally sounds kinda bad. Not sure if this applies to 3 star maps though. Either way, 504 sounds really bad, so it's no wonder you got a C.
Changing your offset will only help if your unstable rate is already good. People generally only recommend playing with your offset once you're unstable rate is consistently good, because changing it before that point won't really change the accuracy you get, but if you changed it incorrectly your future self will have to deal with it after wondering why their accuracy is so bad. And in most cases, 0 is the correct offset anyway.

goose7849 wrote:

and i've been doing finger control practice maps and very slow stream practice maps, etc for about a month now just to try and build the muscle memory
Very epic, keep doing this. Don't know why you feel like you're getting worse. Maybe you're doing something wrong and building bad habits like mashing, or maybe it just feels like that because your expectations are increasing faster than your actual skill and it's just your imagination. Either way, there's always dips and slow points in the ever-increasing improvement graph.



From my experience, I didn't really encounter anything too funky with finger control until 4 star maps, at 3 stars it was pretty much just simple bursts for me. I see you full alternate, which might be why you're struggling with the finger control associated with bursts. Learning to hit bursts while not tapping with the same finger twice in a row is very hard, even for players can hit bursts completely fine otherwise.
If you haven't already, try starting all bursts on the same finger. You might even find it easier to start odd numbered bursts with one finger, and even numbered bursts with the other. A lot less muscle memory to learn if you just do everything the same way.
If that doesn't work out and you want to stick to being a full-alt chad, outside of practicing bursty maps, I'd suggest practicing consecutive bursts even when you're not playing the game, like on a table or on your legs. Never seen anyone else suggest this, but it really helped me when I learned to fully alternate. Maybe it helps you.

Reading is also probably part of the issue, most things not to do with your physical ability is somewhat of a reading issue. No idea how you can get better at reading bursts outside of playing more, maybe use a skin with see-through hit circles if you somehow aren't already. AR probably doesn't have anything to do with it, your brain might just have trouble looking at notes and figuring out finger movements.

It might also be that you could be bad with accuracy in general, not just finger control. If that is the case, I'd suggest looking into ways to increase your ability to tap precisely not associated with finger control, like focussing really hard on timing your hitsounds/key-taps with the music.
AccountWontWork

yoony1 wrote:

Sorry for the long and rambly response, I literally have the inability to write anything concisely.



goose7849 wrote:

its almost as if i've gotten worse at tapping and finger control as i play more actually. it's really frustrating because when my tapping hand gets tired i'll go do relax on 4 and 5 star maps til it's okay, and i can hit almost everything. so clearly my aim is decent, but the whole tapping skill is really far behind it.
This doesn't really relate to your finger control problem, but I'd just thought I'd point it out. Thinking your aim is good and your tapping is holding you back because you can play high star maps with relax is kind of a misconception. Literally everyone will be able to play maps a few stars higher with relax than what they can usually play, because just putting your cursor over the notes is a lot easier than having to put your cursor over the notes and having to tap them. Relax isn't actually that indicative of your true aiming ability, because flinging your cursor to every note and precisely placing your cursor over every note so you can tap them consistently and at the right time are fairly different. This doesn't necessarily mean the idea that "so clearly my aim is decent, but the whole tapping skill is really far behind it" is false, maybe your aim is actually cracked and you're hitting 4 star jumps with ease but you can't play anything because stacked notes trip you up every time, idk. It just means that relax isn't really that relevant to your ability to aim without it, or at least not as much as you probably think.

goose7849 wrote:

i've tried messing with offsets since my unstable rate is actually insane, it was 504 once on a map i passed with like a C lmao, which has helped a little i think.
Not really sure what this means. Sorry if I'm somehow misunderstanding and you know all this, but the lower the unstable rate the better. What counts as a good unstable rate depends a lot on the map you're playing, but for me, anything above 200 generally sounds kinda bad. Not sure if this applies to 3 star maps though. Either way, 504 sounds really bad, so it's no wonder you got a C.
Changing your offset will only help if your unstable rate is already good. People generally only recommend playing with your offset once you're unstable rate is consistently good, because changing it before that point won't really change the accuracy you get, but if you changed it incorrectly your future self will have to deal with it after wondering why their accuracy is so bad. And in most cases, 0 is the correct offset anyway.

goose7849 wrote:

and i've been doing finger control practice maps and very slow stream practice maps, etc for about a month now just to try and build the muscle memory
Very epic, keep doing this. Don't know why you feel like you're getting worse. Maybe you're doing something wrong and building bad habits like mashing, or maybe it just feels like that because your expectations are increasing faster than your actual skill and it's just your imagination. Either way, there's always dips and slow points in the ever-increasing improvement graph.



From my experience, I didn't really encounter anything too funky with finger control until 4 star maps, at 3 stars it was pretty much just simple bursts for me. I see you full alternate, which might be why you're struggling with the finger control associated with bursts. Learning to hit bursts while not tapping with the same finger twice in a row is very hard, even for players can hit bursts completely fine otherwise.
If you haven't already, try starting all bursts on the same finger. You might even find it easier to start odd numbered bursts with one finger, and even numbered bursts with the other. A lot less muscle memory to learn if you just do everything the same way.
If that doesn't work out and you want to stick to being a full-alt chad, outside of practicing bursty maps, I'd suggest practicing consecutive bursts even when you're not playing the game, like on a table or on your legs. Never seen anyone else suggest this, but it really helped me when I learned to fully alternate. Maybe it helps you.

Reading is also probably part of the issue, most things not to do with your physical ability is somewhat of a reading issue. No idea how you can get better at reading bursts outside of playing more, maybe use a skin with see-through hit circles if you somehow aren't already. AR probably doesn't have anything to do with it, your brain might just have trouble looking at notes and figuring out finger movements.

It might also be that you could be bad with accuracy in general, not just finger control. If that is the case, I'd suggest looking into ways to increase your ability to tap precisely not associated with finger control, like focussing really hard on timing your hitsounds/key-taps with the music.
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Topic Starter
goose7849
I honestly have no idea how to respond to parts of a post like you did but I appreciate the response. I haven't been a part of the social aspect of this community despite there being a whole multiplayer function because of anxiety and was nervous about posting here so it's really relieving to see everyone being very nice and helpful in the responses.

I know it's entirely different being able to tap the notes you aim at, I feel that every time I go try and play a map I've played with relax on lol. I only brought it up to try and emphasize that aim isn't my issue at the moment with my skill progression, but I guess I used a bad example to try and make that point. but yes you're right about the stacked up notes tripping me up constantly.

about the offset yeah my point was my unstable rate was insanely awful and still isn't great, I messed with it because for some reason mine was all the way to the left, forgot what that specific value is. I'm not sure how it got there since I don't remember ever changing it but I have since changed it to 0 after reading through a few posts that said 0 is best. that's what I meant by messing with it.

thanks for the advice about practicing burst maps, I googled it and I've made a collection of maps in my star range that were recommended in other posts so hopefully that will help. I don't think it's an accuracy issue, I've spent a lot of time working on accuracy because I struggled with tapping far too early when I first started. right now it genuinely just seems like a finger control issue to me. starting bursts with the same finger is not something I've tried yet so I'll give that a try and see if it helps any.
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