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Yesterday I was playing an old map to improve my finger control and my reading and I got this achievement, what does it mean, do you get it in a specific way or is it random?


My English version lol:
Yesterday i was playing an old osu map to improve my finger control and reading and i get this achievement, what does that mean, it's specific or it's random?

Feel free to correct my English :p

exact conditions for hush-hush achievements are meant to be kept in secret to make them more interesting and hard to obtain. it could be a specific combination of mods, specific score, accuracy, or even a map.

while there are web sites that spoil fun by listing what exactly you need to do for a given medal, I urge you to not look them up.

TicClick wrote:

exact conditions for hush-hush achievements are meant to be kept in secret to make them more interesting and hard to obtain. it could be a specific combination of mods, specific score, accuracy, or even a map.

while there are web sites that spoil fun by listing what exactly you need to do for a given medal, I urge you to not look them up.

Oh interesting, that make sense and it makes the game even more fun, I won't look for these sites anyway

moved from general discussion

TicClick wrote:

exact conditions for hush-hush achievements are meant to be kept in secret to make them more interesting and hard to obtain. it could be a specific combination of mods, specific score, accuracy, or even a map.

while there are web sites that spoil fun by listing what exactly you need to do for a given medal, I urge you to not look them up.

Better they "spoil" the fun than frustrate you with very vague hints that don't even give a lean into what you're supposed to do. Like, most of them make absolutely no sense and don't even suggest what song you're supposed to play or anything like that.

I'm all for hiding the exact specifics for each medal (for instance, one involving playing specifically with only HIdden/Flashlight can make a coy reference to both of those mods), but when you're potentially referring to playing a specific song a specific way that's potentially half a decade old or more, who is supposed to guess that if they're new and only have very flowery text to go off of? Unless it's a specific quote from the song (or perhaps from the mapper description).

Voidedosu wrote:

TicClick wrote:

exact conditions for hush-hush achievements are meant to be kept in secret to make them more interesting and hard to obtain. it could be a specific combination of mods, specific score, accuracy, or even a map.

while there are web sites that spoil fun by listing what exactly you need to do for a given medal, I urge you to not look them up.

Better they "spoil" the fun than frustrate you with very vague hints that don't even give a lean into what you're supposed to do. Like, most of them make absolutely no sense and don't even suggest what song you're supposed to play or anything like that.

I'm all for hiding the exact specifics for each medal (for instance, one involving playing specifically with only HIdden/Flashlight can make a coy reference to both of those mods), but when you're potentially referring to playing a specific song a specific way that's potentially half a decade old or more, who is supposed to guess that if they're new and only have very flowery text to go off of? Unless it's a specific quote from the song (or perhaps from the mapper description).

I'm not a player who cares about achievements but I hadn't seen it from this side but you're also right, just yesterday I went to see the achievements and many of them gave vague descriptions or didn't even give any tips

R3even wrote:

I'm not a player who cares about achievements but I hadn't seen it from this side but you're also right, just yesterday I went to see the achievements and many of them gave vague descriptions or didn't even give any tips

THat's exactly my point. THese are way too obtuse to do without a guide in the first place, especially if you're someone like me who basically lives off of achievement hunting (which I will get to doing for Osu at some point, but I'm currently having fun without it at the moment and I want to get up to playing 5-6*'s before seriously trying).

Take, for example, my most recent hush-hush medal, Quick Draw. It's hint? "It's High Noon". There isn't even red scroll-over text that tells you something extra, either.

Know what it's for? You have to be the first to finish a ranked or qualified map, I believe regardless of mods used. Can somebody please explain how the Overwatch reference is supposed to convey to proper means to earn this medal, specifically WITHOUT knowing that it's even a reference in the first place to Overwatch? ANd yes, I'm being specific here because not everyone is going to know what Overwatch is, nor even understand who that refers to; hell, I only really know about Overwatch because I read about it's release in a gaming magazine years ago, continue to know about it because of it's E-sports scene (such that it is), and even then I only know about the reference because I've seen enough memes and references to it elsewhere to recognize it. However, I've never played the game (nor ever intend to), and I don't even know how the ultimate it refers to actually works. If there's some mechanic regarding his ultimate that feeds into the medal criteria, I sure as hell would never know, and even if the only thing you're referencing is the "high noon" quote, that still does not really explain much at all.


Let's take another one, this time one I don't have: "Mirage". This is the medal text:

The horizon goes on, forever and ever and ever...

If you scroll over it for a bit, it gives this red text:

The light is far harder than it seems.

Who is supposed to guess which map, out of literally millions at this point, this is referring to? Are we supposed to put that into a search bar and hope it comes up with a song with those lyrics in it or a link to the beatmap it refers to? ANd what if it's not just playing the map? What if it's also, say, playing a specific difficutly for that map? Or get a specific accuracy? Or play with certain mods? Or a mix of all of the above?

And just so you're aware, this is what you're supposed to do, according to Osekai Medals: Full Combo Culprate - Reluctant Feat. ZES. Difficulty is irrelevant due to there only being on, and mod type appears to not matter, so anything that's not Auto, Relax, etc. should be fine.

Please, TicClick. Explain exactly how any normal user is supposed to figure or puzzle ANY of that out purely from the medal description or the "hint" provided, and come to the conclusion that it's this exact song? I'm serious. I want an actual explanation. Hell, from anyone; I'm just mentioning you because you're the only person who replied with that particular opinion.



Look, as I said in my first post, I'm not against having vague, coy hints for them. Having them be something you should puzzle out what to do is interesting, and while I personally am irritated by that choice regardless of this discussion I'm not faulting peppy or whoever designed them for that choice. However, when the description is so vague and the "hint" so obtuse that looking up a guide or playing through literally every single map and hoping you stumble upon it randomly is the only way to seriously find them all, that's a big problem whether you're an achievement hunter like me or just a casual achievement finder (or don't even care like r3even). Just give a hint as to what song you're supposed to be playing or what mod combo you should have on; you don't have to outright mention it (though I think at this point you should), but at least try to give some sort of idea as to what is going on.

I've checked some more achievements (besides these I already have or was familiar with) and got to admit that my opinion aligns with yours.

Still, I have two possible explanations:

1. The descriptions are intentionally made so vague to bring you in awe once you acquire at least something. Anything. The medals are probably not supposed to be farmed, but randomly gained (which really defies the point, yeah).
2. The medals are supposed to exist in a moment. A new FA drops a pack of tracks, or one of the contests is over, and here you go -- try recent maps and maybe you'll catch the drift.

TicClick wrote:

I've checked some more achievements (besides these I already have or was familiar with) and got to admit that my opinion aligns with yours.

Still, I have two possible explanations:

1. The descriptions are intentionally made so vague to bring you in awe once you acquire at least something. Anything. The medals are probably not supposed to be farmed, but randomly gained (which really defies the point, yeah).
2. The medals are supposed to exist in a moment. A new FA drops a pack of tracks, or one of the contests is over, and here you go -- try recent maps and maybe you'll catch the drift.

1. The medals as a whole serve no purpose other than to say you got them. Unless we're assigned a fixed pp gain to each one (which I do not approve of, personally, for Osu), what does this matter? If anything, you might get people interested in older songs and beatmaps if they see a particular challenge they like (for instance, maybe getting 95%+ acc. on a 6* song with HDFL).

And, as I mentioned before, "randomly gained" only kinda worked back when there were less than 1000 songs and less than 10K beatmaps to pick from. Provided you're good enough to get all the medals in the first place, you're arguably just as likely to get it while intentionally playing through every combination as you are randomly stumbling upon the song and challenge criteria in question. Nowadays, there are simply far too many songs and significantly more maps for that to be feasible short of anyone who wants to have submissions for every ranked map or something (like EEEEEE, etc.). And if you wanted them to be found regardless of whether it's random or not, it's detrimental to the cause when potential medal-seekers won't have any idea what they're supposed to be searching for.

2.Blink-and-you-miss-them medals or items or what-have-you annoy me on the surface anyways unless they're purely something cosmetic. Even then it frustrates me because I'm a completionist at heart and seeing a medal or achievement that I can never get again because it happened once before I had a chance to be there and get it pisses me off.

Now, if it's a case of spotlighting those who get the medal(s) during the event timer (with a banner or some kind of Osu!supporter package) and then afterwards the medal is still available, that's perfectly fine. You reward those who put in the effort during the event itself, and those who missed out still have a chance to get the medal.