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Bad idea.Asian Warlord wrote:
Actually, I’m not gonna vote for anyone this round. I’ll just wait and see what happens next.
We need to vote or else we can't win at all. We need all the information we can get so that we can find out scummies.YyottaCat wrote:
Bad idea.Asian Warlord wrote:
Actually, I’m not gonna vote for anyone this round. I’ll just wait and see what happens next.
i think we should vote yhuan
geniusPararunten wrote:
i think we should vote yhuan
yo im alive tho
good ideaPararunten wrote:
i think we should vote yhuan
Vote: Yhuan Debeste
i know rightigorsprite wrote:
good ideaPararunten wrote:
i think we should vote yhuan
Vote: Yhuan Debeste
Topic Starter
Who are you?NotRaffi wrote:
yo im alive tho
the 14th participant, how did you forget?McEndu wrote:
Who are you?NotRaffi wrote:
yo im alive tho
Topic Starter
No moderation error has occured; JK9++ is a 13-player setup.igorsprite wrote:
the 14th participant, how did you forget?McEndu wrote:
Who are you?NotRaffi wrote:
yo im alive tho
NotRaffi is not in game. Day continues normally.
McEndu wrote:
No moderation error has occured; JK9++ is a 13-player setup.igorsprite wrote:
the 14th participant, how did you forget?McEndu wrote:
Who are you?NotRaffi wrote:
yo im alive tho
NotRaffi is not in game. Day continues normally.
Excellent
People really need to stop being scared about pushing others and get information.
Unless you're scum then yeah you can be scared of giving away information.
Unless you're scum then yeah you can be scared of giving away information.
pls don't ask anything to me because i don't want to reveal that i'm scumSakura wrote:
People really need to stop being scared about pushing others and get information.
Unless you're scum then yeah you can be scared of giving away information.
I understand that you guys want to press on people to make them "spill the beans".
However, we at least need some information before we can press anyone effectively.
Not to mention pressing could backfire on us since some people handle being pressed very poorly, even though they're not scum. So we might vote someone off because they look "scummy" and then turns out they're not.
However, we at least need some information before we can press anyone effectively.
Not to mention pressing could backfire on us since some people handle being pressed very poorly, even though they're not scum. So we might vote someone off because they look "scummy" and then turns out they're not.
Sakura wrote:
People really need to stop being scared about pushing others and get information.
Unless you're scum then yeah you can be scared of giving away information.
bruh, why you trying to argue against sakura about RVS pushing for info?Tad Fibonacci wrote:
I understand that you guys want to press on people to make them "spill the beans".
However, we at least need some information before we can press anyone effectively.
Not to mention pressing could backfire on us since some people handle being pressed very poorly, even though they're not scum. So we might vote someone off because they look "scummy" and then turns out they're not.
You get information not only from the person being pushed but about others too.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
I understand that you guys want to press on people to make them "spill the beans".
However, we at least need some information before we can press anyone effectively.
Not to mention pressing could backfire on us since some people handle being pressed very poorly, even though they're not scum. So we might vote someone off because they look "scummy" and then turns out they're not.
You need to push and do proactive things to cause people to react and garner info and motivations behind people's actions, if you're gonna wait to "have information" before you "gain information" then you effectively will sit around doing nothing.
Also if you vote someone out incorrectly because you thought something they did was scummy when in reality it wasnt then you learn from it and start learning how to actually scumhunt.
Remember, your vote is your main weapon to find and eliminate scum, if you're not using your vote you're effectively wasting it.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2707177#p2707177
Actually i'll just put this down here.
Actually i'll just put this down here.
Speaking of, i'd like to point out that Yhuan is at E-2, if you're in the mindset of avoiding needless random elimination then even if you think Yhuan could be scum this isnt a good time to vote for them and let others comment, if you dont think Yhuna is scum, then you should be using your vote to vote for who you think COULD be scum.
I seriously need to do less teaching and more information gathering, but all this "people not doing anything coz they are too scared to vote someone due to high chance of being a townie" gets annoying EVERYONE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE HIGH CHANCE OF BEING A TOWNIE IF YOU DONT DO ANYTHING TO LOWER THAT CHANCE BY SCUMHUNTING.
Sorry had to take that out of my chest.
Sorry had to take that out of my chest.
Also makes it harder to find actual information because it gives scum too many places to hide.
I wasn't active for these 2 days so yeah here is my daily message so I don't get prodded
Vote: bambinex
yes
vote: bambinex 😳
vote: bambinex 😳
nobambinex wrote:
yes
vote: bambinex 😳
Vote: igorsprite 😡
bambinex wrote:
:(
amogus
goddammit i'm getting more confused, i know voting is essential in some cases but bruh i cant decide who the hell i should vote at all.
i'm going to panic
i'm going to panic
vote yhuan
okPararunten wrote:
vote yhuan
Vote: Yhuan Debeste
yes
yo it's happening
It's always me with youPenguin wrote:
i think it's abraker
igorsprite wrote:
guys my role is town hider, what that means?
I've seen you be town and played like scum, and ultimately had you lynched because of it. If you always play like that, it's hard to tell if you are truly town because you could be scum in any one of these games. Your actions make it much harder to clear you as town, especially since you looked 100% town as scum the first game we played and now I'm 500% more cautious when it come to you.igorsprite wrote:
pls don't ask anything to me because i don't want to reveal that i'm scumSakura wrote:
People really need to stop being scared about pushing others and get information.
Unless you're scum then yeah you can be scared of giving away information.
Ultimately what I am saying is that you are jeopardizing town if you purposefully act like scum.
oh shoot did we lynch Yhuan?
Topic Starter
As Yhuan Debeste has been expelled from the council, the meeting ended.
Vote Count
Day 1Count 2
Yhuan Debeste (7): Sakura, ShinRun, YyottaCat, Asian Warlord, Pararunten, Yhuan Debeste, pentaqola
abraker (1): Penguin
bambinex (1): bambinex
igorsprite (1): igorsprite
Penguin (1): abraker
Not voting: (2 players)
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline for the day is 2021-07-10T07:00:00+08:00.
Yhuan Debeste, a Vanilla Townie, has been eliminated Day 1. Night 1 begins.
Night ends at around 2021-07-01T07:00:00+08:00.
Topic Starter
igorsprite will be on vacation from July 1 to July 5.
V/LA from June 30th to July 1st.
So, when is day 2 going to start?
When your body is foundAsian Warlord wrote:
So, when is day 2 going to start?
Day 2 is already 27 hours late.
Topic Starter
Day 2 now starts.
It is a new day. Tad Fibonacci, a Vanilla Townie, has been killed Night 1.
Discussion begins.
Count 0
Not voting: (11 players)
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.
Deadline for the day is 2021-07-13T07:00:00+08:00.
It is a new day. Tad Fibonacci, a Vanilla Townie, has been killed Night 1.
Discussion begins.
Vote Count
Day 2Count 0
Not voting: (11 players)
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.
Deadline for the day is 2021-07-13T07:00:00+08:00.
VOTE: pentaqola
Why hammer?
Why hammer?
Welp, since Tad is dead. I probably know who killed him.
Vote: YyottaCat
Vote: YyottaCat
as much as i didn't wanna vote, i feel like not voting isn't the best move either. so i just asked and went with the first person that was suggested after this post:YyottaCat wrote:
VOTE: pentaqola
Why hammer?
which ultimately was yhuan.pentaqola wrote:
goddammit i'm getting more confused, i know voting is essential in some cases but bruh i cant decide who the hell i should vote at all.
i'm going to panic
pretty dumb of me if i say so myself, but you can judge that to your own accord. i already gave my reasons and i probably should not do that again.Pararunten wrote:
vote yhuan
also bruh moment calvin, i'm not gonna follow on and vote yyotta for that, but that's a funny little analysis you got 👁👁
It is likely that the mafia jumped on the bandwagon to get an easy kill on Yhuan.
The person who voted for Yhuan are
The late vote are the most likely to be mafia vote.
For now I am gonna vote for Pentaqola since she was the hammer vote and I am suspicious of the late vote on Yhuan.
Vote: Pentaqola
The person who voted for Yhuan are
Sakura, ShinRun, YyottaCat, Asian Warlord, Pararunten, Yhuan Debeste, pentaqola.
The late vote are the most likely to be mafia vote.
For now I am gonna vote for Pentaqola since she was the hammer vote and I am suspicious of the late vote on Yhuan.
Vote: Pentaqola
Nonsense.Asian Warlord wrote:
Welp, since Tad is dead. I probably know who killed him.
Vote: YyottaCat
That isn't even meta and Day 2 is not RVS.
VOTE: Warlord
VOTE: Warlord
voting Yhuan was fine, what was NOT fine is hammering without declaring intent first and ending the day prematurely, why pentaqola?
community/forums/posts/8169874
I even mentioned it here FFSSakura wrote:
Speaking of, i'd like to point out that Yhuan is at E-2, if you're in the mindset of avoiding needless random elimination then even if you think Yhuan could be scum this isnt a good time to vote for them and let others comment, if you dont think Yhuna is scum, then you should be using your vote to vote for who you think COULD be scum.
The final votes are 3 hours apart so it's very suspicious.Sakura wrote:
voting Yhuan was fine, what was NOT fine is hammering without declaring intent first and ending the day prematurely, why pentaqola?
Currently my sus pool is pentaqola, bambinex and asian warlord.
Unfortunately i dont think any of them are in a team together.
Also FFS if you're a townie dont self-vote, that's literally voting for someone you know is 100% confirmed town for YOU and could be considered playing against win condition. (Looking at you Yhuan)
Do people here even play seriously
Let's begin:
vote: pentaqola
Unfortunately i dont think any of them are in a team together.
Also FFS if you're a townie dont self-vote, that's literally voting for someone you know is 100% confirmed town for YOU and could be considered playing against win condition. (Looking at you Yhuan)
Do people here even play seriously
Let's begin:
vote: pentaqola
In case i wrote it in a weird way, i was asking pentaqola "why" not asking people "why pentaqola" my bad.YyottaCat wrote:
The final votes are 3 hours apart so it's very suspicious.Sakura wrote:
voting Yhuan was fine, what was NOT fine is hammering without declaring intent first and ending the day prematurely, why pentaqola?
highly betting none of y'all gonna trust me on this, but my intent was just trying to put my vote to use. again, thought that it would be a bad move to not vote. backfired by a lot nonetheless and made a shittier move.Sakura wrote:
voting Yhuan was fine, what was NOT fine is hammering without declaring intent first and ending the day prematurely, why pentaqola?
in this first round, i cannot tell who is scum at all. everyone seems the same to me regardless of whatever claims were thrown in.
i probably should have not voted instead to not make this all happen.
my intentions were clearly there by the way, i wanted to use my vote. just didn't know who
i should have made it more clear but yeah. i just have no clue on what to do. which is why i didn't declare why exactly i did that
pentaqola wrote:
my intentions were clearly there by the way, i wanted to use my vote. just didn't know who
“Alright then” is not clear at all. If you don't know what to do, then just don't do anything until you think that you should do something.pentaqola wrote:
i should have made it more clear but yeah. i just have no clue on what to do. which is why i didn't declare why exactly i did that
those two are my mistakes, making myself unclear and doing something when i don't know what to do. i was a complete brainlet for thinking at that time that y'all are gonna magically figure it out by looking at my posts.YyottaCat wrote:
pentaqola wrote:
my intentions were clearly there by the way, i wanted to use my vote. just didn't know who“Alright then” is not clear at all. If you don't know what to do, then just don't do anything until you think that you should do something.pentaqola wrote:
i should have made it more clear but yeah. i just have no clue on what to do. which is why i didn't declare why exactly i did that
i was dumb, i shouldn't have thought so carelessly like that, i understand that some things have to be more blatant than that.
in case i am next to be voted out, i say good luck to the townies and i hope most of the special roles survive with em
The inherent act of voting Yhuan isnt the issue, because if that was the issue everyone on that wagon would be guilty of it. The issue is that you hammered ending the day early without waiting for more input/more info.
[Puts on Teaching Hat] If you want to vote someone that's at E-1 (as in 1 vote away from being eliminated) you dont vote them immediately unless you're 1000000% sure they are scum, instead you say Intent to Hammer which demonstrates to everyone including the person being voted that you're going to hammer them if nothing changes within the next X hours/days, this gives people time to form more information and gives the voted person time to defend themselves[Removes Teaching Hat]
[Puts on Teaching Hat] If you want to vote someone that's at E-1 (as in 1 vote away from being eliminated) you dont vote them immediately unless you're 1000000% sure they are scum, instead you say Intent to Hammer which demonstrates to everyone including the person being voted that you're going to hammer them if nothing changes within the next X hours/days, this gives people time to form more information and gives the voted person time to defend themselves[Removes Teaching Hat]
This post makes it seem like Penta was very confused and distraught with what she wanted to do. Then, suddenly, Penta made a very quick and irrational 180 out of nowhere which is scummy and out of character for her. It's possible that she was trying to make herself "appear" like a confused townie at first, then as soon as she got the validation to hammer Yhuan in the form of Pararunten telling her to do it and Yhuan voting himself, she took the opportunity and hammered.pentaqola wrote:
goddammit i'm getting more confused, i know voting is essential in some cases but bruh i cant decide who the hell i should vote at all.
i'm going to panic
I was thinking that Pentaqola might start blaming Pararunten for telling her to vote Yhuan, but she hasn't even mentioned Pararunten at all yet. If Pentaqola was mafia, shifting blame towards Pararunten would be an easy move for her. So, it's possible that Pentaqola is infact a confused townie, or it's possible that both are scum and she doesn't want to bring attention to him.
I don't really understand why is everyone voting for pentaqola just because he hammered, like someone will always need to be the hammer if we want to vote someone out, so if we start killing each others just because we were a bit late it's not gonna work. Just my opinion though, you seem to know how to play this game a lot more than me.
TIL that 2 ppl = everyone.
And of course, someone's going to be the hammer that isn't the issue, the issue is prematurely ending the day without declaring intent to hammer instead of voting and not letting people get more information first. Don't pretend you didnt read my post there.
However penguin brings a good point about pentaqola, in fact i thought pentaqola was planning to use pararunten as a scapegoat but she would have probably done so already, so i'll add pressure to warlord instead.
Vote: Warlord
However penguin brings a good point about pentaqola, in fact i thought pentaqola was planning to use pararunten as a scapegoat but she would have probably done so already, so i'll add pressure to warlord instead.
Vote: Warlord
vote: Asian Warlord
tell us the truth :eyes:
tell us the truth :eyes:
I just re-read penta's posts today and I guess she did point out that she was just listening to Pararunten in this post: community/forums/topics/1358016?start=8175159
but still, she didn't really try and push sus towards pararunten
but still, she didn't really try and push sus towards pararunten
Quickhammer seems like a scum thing to do but we aren't sure about penta.
Warlord needs to post.
Warlord needs to post.
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Day 2Count 1
Asian Warlord (3): YyottaCat, Sakura, bambinex
pentaqola (1): samX500
YyottaCat (1): Asian Warlord
Not voting: (6 players)
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.
Deadline for the day is 2021-07-13T07:00:00+08:00.
I’ll post when I get home. Right now, I’m busy at work.
thank you sakura for teaching me some more stuff. i honestly wish i could have learnt more of this early on
i do not blame pararunten for what happened at all. i put the full on blame to myself for doing that quickhammer vote out of being frantic.
also, as for asian warlord, i remember him trying to unvote for yhuan before. didn't seem to register since he didn't put it in bold
here is him voting for yhuan (post num.:61)
here is him trying to unvote albeit failing since he didn't put it on bold (post num.:90)
i do not know why he didn't put that on bold when it's a vote change (i consider it so since unvoting is technically a changing your vote to none), but i just wanna bring that into light
anyways ima join in pressuring him as well due to this
Vote: Asian Warlord
i do not blame pararunten for what happened at all. i put the full on blame to myself for doing that quickhammer vote out of being frantic.
also, as for asian warlord, i remember him trying to unvote for yhuan before. didn't seem to register since he didn't put it in bold
here is him voting for yhuan (post num.:61)
here is him trying to unvote albeit failing since he didn't put it on bold (post num.:90)
i do not know why he didn't put that on bold when it's a vote change (i consider it so since unvoting is technically a changing your vote to none), but i just wanna bring that into light
anyways ima join in pressuring him as well due to this
Vote: Asian Warlord
another reason why i also pointed the fact it isn't in bold is because his vote was in bold but not his unvote
Friendly reminder that Asian Warlord is now at E-2.
(it's also useful to keep count how many votes are on a player before voting and announcing when a player is close to elimination)
(it's also useful to keep count how many votes are on a player before voting and announcing when a player is close to elimination)
Funny thing is im sus of Warlord mostly coz of his unvote, even tho it didnt count, the intent was still there.
@Pengin: If you ignore the existance of abraker. Who is scum.
Topic Starter
Asian Warlord (4): YyottaCat, Sakura, bambinex, pentaqola
I’ll explain everything and prove you guys that I’m innocent.
I fucked up my unvote. I just typed it in without knowing I forgot to bold it and I just went back to work. When I got home I was tired, so I didn’t even went on forums and just went to discord to VC and played apex legends.
I’m still voting YyottaCat because the whole beef going on (not sure if it is still going on), but there’s a possibility that it’s not her that killed Tad.
Yes, I did vote him because I wanted to troll around with him.pentaqola wrote:
here is him voting for yhuan (post num.:61)
Ok, that day I was at work it was busy. I was at the bathroom (don’t ask me why) but I unvote yhuan because I knew that we’ll lose the game if I keep trolling and I didn’t want to vote for anyone so we can have a longer match and that yhuan might not be the mafia.pentaqola wrote:
here is him trying to unvote albeit failing since he didn't put it on bold (post num.:90)
I fucked up my unvote. I just typed it in without knowing I forgot to bold it and I just went back to work. When I got home I was tired, so I didn’t even went on forums and just went to discord to VC and played apex legends.
I’m still voting YyottaCat because the whole beef going on (not sure if it is still going on), but there’s a possibility that it’s not her that killed Tad.
Thank you for your time.
Vote: bambinex
Can you please explain this one to me, im not familiar with any "beefs" that people in here have.Asian Warlord wrote:
I’m still voting YyottaCat because the whole beef going on (not sure if it is still going on), but there’s a possibility that it’s not her that killed Tad.
Although People should leave their "beefs" outside of the game as it may impact negatively their play of the game.
Don't forget asian is not the only one who attempted to unvote. Shin also intended to unvote but never did. So my question is @Shin why didn't you unvote?pentaqola wrote:
also, as for asian warlord, i remember him trying to unvote for yhuan before. didn't seem to register since he didn't put it in bold
here is him voting for yhuan (post num.:61)
here is him trying to unvote albeit failing since he didn't put it on bold (post num.:90)
i do not know why he didn't put that on bold when it's a vote change (i consider it so since unvoting is technically a changing your vote to none), but i just wanna bring that into light
anyways ima join in pressuring him as well due to this
Vote: Asian Warlord
vote: ShinRun
tad <-> yotta due to some political argumentsSakura wrote:
Can you please explain this one to me, im not familiar with any "beefs" that people in here have.Asian Warlord wrote:
I’m still voting YyottaCat because the whole beef going on (not sure if it is still going on), but there’s a possibility that it’s not her that killed Tad.
me <-> penguin for sabotaging the mafia game where it was igor, me and him
not aware of any other
Doesnt look like they voted each other?abraker wrote:
tad <-> yotta due to some political arguments
Guess their feud is long gone or they have learned to not let it get in the way of the game.
Ohabraker wrote:
Don't forget asian is not the only one who attempted to unvote. Shin also intended to unvote but never did. So my question is @Shin why didn't you unvote?pentaqola wrote:
also, as for asian warlord, i remember him trying to unvote for yhuan before. didn't seem to register since he didn't put it in bold
here is him voting for yhuan (post num.:61)
here is him trying to unvote albeit failing since he didn't put it on bold (post num.:90)
i do not know why he didn't put that on bold when it's a vote change (i consider it so since unvoting is technically a changing your vote to none), but i just wanna bring that into light
anyways ima join in pressuring him as well due to this
Vote: Asian Warlord
vote: ShinRun
I never intended to cancel my vote on Yhuan
I was just asking incase I needed to know in the future since I don't know much about the rules
hmm, I'm kind of leaning towards Penta being a confused townie, but she's still on my potential scum list. I think if Penta is town, then Pararunten is the scummiest just based on his silence today and him trying to get people to vote Yhuan on E-2.Sakura wrote:
@Pengin: If you ignore the existance of abraker. Who is scum.
It's possible that the scum might be trying to set up YyottaCat by killing Tad. That would make Asian Warlord be #1 on my scumlist since he's pushing the Yyotta vs. Tad narrative super hard. But it's also possible that YyottaCat just killed Tad or neither of those.
The most sus people to me so far is Pararunten and a toss up between Asian Warlord and YyottaCat. Also the people who aren't talking.
I hope you know that I didn't intentionally throw that game. I legitimately had the wrong reads, that's all. There's no need for you to be so salty.abraker wrote:
me <-> penguin for sabotaging the mafia game where it was igor, me and him
not aware of any other
I have nothing to say, that's why I choose to be silent. Rather than I speak about stupid things which will make me more suspicious.Penguin wrote:
I think if Penta is town, then Pararunten is the scummiest just based on his silence today and him trying to get people to vote Yhuan on E-2.
I vote Yhuan becaus ewhy not
also Yhuan, I'm sorry 🙏
We all know you’re notPararunten wrote:
also Yhuan, I'm sorry 🙏
So, what I'm getting from you saying "why not" means that you want to eliminated Yhuan, so you mafias could win faster.Pararunten wrote:
I have nothing to say, that's why I choose to be silent. Rather than I speak about stupid things which will make me more suspicious.Penguin wrote:
I think if Penta is town, then Pararunten is the scummiest just based on his silence today and him trying to get people to vote Yhuan on E-2.
I vote Yhuan becaus ewhy not