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Rolled
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Hey, I'm not taking credit for animask bashing :P

And truthfully, the mafia games I've been in so far (granted, like only 2?) have not had such a heavy D1 bandwagon and it's definitely alarming to me.

And I never attempted to paint any of those three players as scum. In fact, based on my gut feeling I have right now, I'm thinking the opposite. Despite the terrible job animask is doing defending himself (I see scumtells in all of his posts pretty much), gut feeling and meta-playstyling leads me to believe that he is town.

And the main reason I believe he is town is because he has five people on his case right now, and most likely more to come once the other people visit the thread.

Right now, as I've said, the amount of people that have jumped down animask's throat in such a short amount of time is outweighing animask's scummy behavior in my eyes. Perhaps this is backwards logic, but I can't fight this feeeeeeeeling anyyymooore~
Rolled
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Also, scumpaint me fucking moar.

so painting them scum because they didn't follow you in bashing
a mistake I wouldn't expect to see coming from you.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Yeah, I guess I tend to show a lot of scum tells when I'm pressured (even if I'm not mafia).

I'll roleclaim before the final vote for hammer if you want me to...

I'm actually pretty useful at night.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I think in this kind of game, everyone is going to be.
Mashley
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Mashley

animask wrote:

I'm not trying to be suspicious on purpose.
Because that's what people do, right?
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Sorry, I was away all day.
Unvote for now. Things are getting a bit heated and there might be a strong reason brought up to vote for someone.
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Kiddo-Kun wrote:

Sorry, I was away all day.
Unvote for now. Things are getting a bit heated and there might be a strong reason brought up to vote for someone.

So rather than form your own opinion you're going to unvote until someone else brings up a good point and then bandwagon? I don't understand the logic here.
Kiddo-Kun
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foulcoon wrote:

Kiddo-Kun wrote:

Sorry, I was away all day.
Unvote for now. Things are getting a bit heated and there might be a strong reason brought up to vote for someone.

So rather than form your own opinion you're going to unvote until someone else brings up a good point and then bandwagon? I don't understand the logic here.
Someone might say something, leading me to bring up a good point. I never said anything about joining a bandwagon.
foulcoon
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That doesn't really look like what you meant, but thats about the extent to which I'll argue with you about it. You don't seem all that suspicious to me, but then again you're not really contributing much.
Rolled
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i like you foulcoon
foulcoon
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foulcoon
i love you too Rolled
0_o
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0_o
boom de yada boom de yada
Rantai
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Rantai
Goood afternoon :D

I don't believe using meta to form serious accusations is the right way to go to be honest.

As I see it right now, Lybydose FoS'd animask to start up a conversation (or is it because animask RV'd him?) and animask is doing a fairly bad job at defending himself (I believe this to be more incompetence than actually being scum right now).

But I'm more interested in this:

foulcoon wrote:

So I take it nobody saw my post on day 2 where I actually voted for animask for the same exact reason. I guess you can FoS Lyby for being the 2nd on the "bandwagon" though lol. My vote never was an RV, it was a lame meta-gaming vote.
Having slight difficulty wording my thoughts*

Interesting you didn't start drawing attention to your vote (or post at all for that matter) until after someone else started looking animask's way. It kind of feels like you're trying to convert an RV (maybe not quite an RV but something similar which I do not have a name for at this time) into a legitimate vote under the guise of "I was on him all along".

How to explain, like one of those people who feel the need to constantly prove their innocence because they don't want to be suspected. Of course you aren't proving your innocence in this case but I hope my thought process makes it across.

Long story short: foulcoon irked me slightly, animask is incompetent, everyone else is within the bounds of normality as far as I observe it.
Wojjan
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There is so much wrong with this post.

I don't believe using meta to form serious accusations is the right way to go to be honest.
Have you reread fully? If something seems out of line with someone's behavior on day one, it's about everything you can get at that point. If you notice anything it's worth pursuing. By the way, I don't think anyone is sticking on animask for his cautious behavior more than his piss poor reaction regarding Lyby's accusation.

As I see it right now, Lybydose FoS'd animask to start up a conversation (or is it because animask RV'd him?) and animask is doing a fairly bad job at defending himself (I believe this to be more incompetence than actually being scum right now).
Lybydose didn't FoS animask to incite conversation, he did that because something was genuinely off. He probably wanted to see how animask would defend himself, and seeing who would follow his tracks and who would defend him was part of that.

Interesting you didn't start drawing attention to your vote (or post at all for that matter) until after someone else started looking animask's way.
Normally people don't need to draw attention to anything. Everybody posts under the assumption that their post gets read, there's no need to say "Hey guys, that post back on the page before? Read it again because I think you didn't." Or at least, there shouldn't be a reason to unless it's been proven that people didn't read the post. Nothing is wrong with foulcoon's reaction.

It kind of feels like you're trying to convert an RV [...] into a legitimate vote under the guise of "I was on him all along".
if foulcoon stated a reasoning for voting animask, it's not a random vote. That vote was as legitimate as a Day 1 lynch can get.

How to explain, like one of those people who feel the need to constantly prove their innocence because they don't want to be suspected. Of course you aren't proving your innocence in this case but I hope my thought process makes it across.
What you wrote here probably isn't what you want to get across, since it fits more with animask's and your behavior. animask's reaction to Lyby's accusation was FoSsing him right back, softclaiming an aux role, trying desperately to get attention off him and even lamenting the fact that people are voting him. Your posts so far have been mostly filler, agreeing with people and stating the obvious in particular standing out to me, and when you make one post to gather your thoughts you discredit Lyby's FoS as breaking the ice, call animask incompetent townie twice, ignore Rolled altogether and focus on foulcoon with a reason riddled with holes.

mod: can we get a votecount in here? I lost track who exactly is still voting animask
LadySuburu
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Possibly right votecount:

animask (3) - foul, Wojjan, Lyby
Lyby (1) - 0_o
Kiddo (1) - Mashley
No Lynch (1) - Rantai
Rantai
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Wojjan wrote:

Have you reread fully? If something seems out of line with someone's behavior on day one, it's about everything you can get at that point. If you notice anything it's worth pursuing. By the way, I don't think anyone is sticking on animask for his cautious behavior more than his piss poor reaction regarding Lyby's accusation.
That was me voicing my opinion on meta regardless if it was right or wrong. I agree with you on animask's poor defense.

Wojjan wrote:

Lybydose didn't FoS animask to incite conversation, he did that because something was genuinely off. He probably wanted to see how animask would defend himself, and seeing who would follow his tracks and who would defend him was part of that.
He says that later but it may have just started as something as simple as that (remember this is only guessing), it might well have been a mix of both for all I know. Conversation was dry and nothing had happened then poof. Either way I'm not too concerned about it, they were just initial observations as interpreted by me.

Wojjan wrote:

Normally people don't need to draw attention to anything. Everybody posts under the assumption that their post gets read, there's no need to say "Hey guys, that post back on the page before? Read it again because I think you didn't." Or at least, there shouldn't be a reason to unless it's been proven that people didn't read the post. Nothing is wrong with foulcoon's reaction.
I'd like to know where it was proven that no one read it. Otherwise, as you say, there is no reason for him to say; "Hey guys, that post back on the page before? Read it again because I think you didn't." - in your words.

Taking me as an example, I was well aware of his vote. But because it was at the start of the game it felt like nothing more than a random vote (yes, yes it wasn't random, but it had a similar weight to me).

Wojjan wrote:

What you wrote here probably isn't what you want to get across, since it fits more with animask's and your behavior. animask's reaction to Lyby's accusation was FoSsing him right back, softclaiming an aux role, trying desperately to get attention off him and even lamenting the fact that people are voting him. Your posts so far have been mostly filler, agreeing with people and stating the obvious in particular standing out to me, and when you make one post to gather your thoughts you discredit Lyby's FoS as breaking the ice, call animask incompetent townie twice, ignore Rolled altogether and focus on foulcoon with a reason riddled with holes.
In Lybydose's case, my intention was not to discredit his FoS (if it looks like that then I only have myself to blame for it) as 'breaking the ice'. As for Rolled, I don't have an opinion on his posts so far.

The only 'hole' that you pointed out in relation to foulcoon, was it was proven that foulcoon's initial vote was ignored which I am contesting right now.
Rantai
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Uhhh missed a quote >.<

Wojjan wrote:

if foulcoon stated a reasoning for voting animask, it's not a random vote. That vote was as legitimate as a Day 1 lynch can get.
Ok legitimise was not the right word for that. Allow me to retry explaining what I mean.

I'm more irked that he is trying to make it look like his vote had the exact same reasoning as Lybydose which is quite impossible. As far as I understand it, his vote was based on the fact that animask is always suspicious in each game he plays. Lybydose's was based on the fact that animask was laying low and saying somewhat scummy things.

So here, both are based on animask's meta. But one is drawing entirely from other games while the other is drawing from both other games and this current one.
foulcoon
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Rantai wrote:

Uhhh missed a quote >.<

Wojjan wrote:

if foulcoon stated a reasoning for voting animask, it's not a random vote. That vote was as legitimate as a Day 1 lynch can get.
Ok legitimise was not the right word for that. Allow me to retry explaining what I mean.

I'm more irked that he is trying to make it look like his vote had the exact same reasoning as Lybydose which is quite impossible. As far as I understand it, his vote was based on the fact that animask is always suspicious in each game he plays. Lybydose's was based on the fact that animask was laying low and saying somewhat scummy things.

So here, both are based on animask's meta. But one is drawing entirely from other games while the other is drawing from both other games and this current one.
Was mainly pointing it out to Rolled who was saying Lyby was on to something. Btw at your last post: are you assuming I can't read animasks posts this game? I was basing my vote off of meta but its not far off from Lyby's. Maybe because I posted it in a sea of RV's it was overlooked. That is the only reason I mentioned it.
Rantai
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Btw at your last post: are you assuming I can't read animasks posts this game?
No. I believe you are perfectly capable of reading animask's posts.

Was mainly pointing it out to Rolled who was saying Lyby was on to something.
I was basing my vote off of meta but its not far off from Lyby's
Lybydose was on to something, for sure but it wasn't what you were saying. As I said, you were just pointing fingers because of how animask played before. Lybydose was onto the fact that animask was playing differently to how he used to play. What gets me is you're trying to say that your initial vote took into account that animask is playing more cautiously.

SPOILER
So I take it nobody saw my post on day 2 where I actually voted for animask for the same exact reason.
For reference
foulcoon
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Okay I'll let you win because the point you're making doesn't seem all that relevant. So by a stipulation my reason for voting isn't exactly the same as someone elses? I don't think it makes a big difference. It just seems like an attempt to call attention to me for absolutely no reason.

P.S. - I love LS's confidence in the vote count lol
Mashley
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I'd agree that this being the first game ever where animask is 'not trying to be suspicious' is quite odd and I'd be more comfortable lynching him than any other player if deadline was soo- wait, shit, it's tomorrow. Unvote, vote animask
animask: Why have you decided for this game not to try your usual tricks? Have you finally seen sense or is it something else?
I know I vote for animask day 1 in literally every game I've played with him, but, well, he's just always suspicious. This time differently suspicious, which makes him even more suspicious.
0_o
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animask is the only one I'd feel comfortable lynching at this point as well. Nothing on the last page really stuck out at me, so I think finding out animask's role then going from there is our best move right now.

animask: if you're gonna roleclaim, now's the time to do it.
Sleep Powder
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Roleclaim: Bulletproof Serial Killer

If you guys are going hammer me I'm just going to resign... unless that isn't allowed.

(You ruined my first serial killer role and I hate you.)

/quit
0_o
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0_o
...well then.

vote animask
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Vote: animask
You haven't done anything to help prove your innocence. You are the only one that seems really off.
foulcoon
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Well he wasn't mafia but he also wasn't town. Can I still have that medal?
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

foulcoon wrote:

Well he wasn't mafia but he also wasn't town. Can I still have that medal?
*gives foulcoon a medal*

It would be funny if getting lynched on Day 1 got me my win condition...
0_o
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0_o

foulcoon wrote:

Well he wasn't mafia but he also wasn't town. Can I still have that medal?
foulcoon
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foulcoon

animask wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

Well he wasn't mafia but he also wasn't town. Can I still have that medal?
*gives foulcoon a medal*

It would be funny if getting lynched on Day 1 got me my win condition...
If that is your win condition I"m going to rage. LadySuburu should have taken into account that you're animask.
Rolled
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So, the roleclaim is just an "I quit" ordeal right? I've never played with serial killers... but pretty sure claiming that would not save yourself from being lynched?

Just confused as to why you roleclaimed lol. But yeah, Vote: animask

ps: I'm wrong again :(
Rolled
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Oh wait what I wasn't really wrong. Mafia could still have been ganging on him knowing he wasn't aligned with them. I'm right ^___^

He actually wasn't pro-town though so I'm kind of wrong~

Sry been awake 26 hours.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
I claimed because I obviously give up... also, its too much work to think of a cover. I could've said Bulletproof Doctor and pretend that I'm
getting constantly roleblocked but idk how the Bulletproof thing works.
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh wow animask, just wow.

Unvote - Vote: animask
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: animask

Maybe I win by voting for myself?
LadySuburu
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animask - Ordinary Townie - Lynched D1

It is now Night 1. Please send all night actions within 24 hours.
LadySuburu
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It was a noisy night, but thankfully...

Nobody died.

It is now Day 2. With 8 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in 5 days.
Wojjan
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so guess what, I'm also a bulletproof serial killer. I don't think I actually am. animask claimed he was a serial killer, but flipped ordinary townie, so I guess this is where the mind game comes in.

oooooh LS you dastardly host you ;)
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Wojjan wrote:

so guess what, I'm also a bulletproof serial killer. I don't think I actually am. animask claimed he was a serial killer, but flipped ordinary townie, so I guess this is where the mind game comes in.

oooooh LS you dastardly host you ;)
this ^

I tried killing someone and it didnt work.
0_o
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0_o
yyyyep

I'm wondering if the point was simply seeing who would be the last one standing? We probably would never have figured it out if animask hadn't have roleclaimed, which LS probably wasn't counting on anyone doing...
Mashley
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Mashley
Me too.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
*clap* *clap* *clap*
LadySuburu
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Wojjan wrote:

this is where the mind game comes in.
Wojjan
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well unbeknownst to us there's probably one mafia in here who can actually kill. So we have to scumhunt without even the mafia themselves knowing which of us is the mafia.

So the best step I guess would be to have the person who didn't die (probably due to being bulletproof) claim if he's hit.
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Wojjan wrote:

well unbeknownst to us there's probably one mafia in here who can actually kill. So we have to scumhunt without even the mafia themselves knowing which of us is the mafia.

So the best step I guess would be to have the person who didn't die (probably due to being bulletproof) claim if he's hit.

Yeah, but that person might not know if they're hit, and claiming they were hit might be admitting scum. Did anyone with the role "Buletproof Serial Killer" not send in a night kill action?
0_o
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foulcoon wrote:

Yeah, but that person might not know if they're hit, and claiming they were hit might be admitting scum. Did anyone with the role "Buletproof Serial Killer" not send in a night kill action?
I'm guessing not, seeing as the night ended 11 hours early.
foulcoon
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Then Wojjan has the right idea... unless the goal is to coordinate our night kill for the same person? It might be like a night lynching. Would everyone be comfortable sharing who they tried to night kill? Let's start with a yes or no for everyone before saying.
0_o
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0_o
sure
Wojjan
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Well, if we're going to do that, it's important to out who we've targeted before the bulletproof claims.
other than that, no objections on my part. I targeted Rantai.
0_o
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0_o
I targetted Mash, because he targetted me the last time I (and everyone else) was a serial killer :U
foulcoon
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I targetted Lyby
Lybydose
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I targeted Mashley
Mashley
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Mashley
Targeted foulcoon
Away for a week starting tomorrow, replace me if I'm being a problem >_<
Rolled
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Rolled
I shot wojjan.
Rolled
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Okay, how about this:
We all vote nolynch for today. Each person shoots a different person.

Mashley -> Wojjan
Wojjan -> Lyby
Lybydose -> Foulcoon
foulcoon -> Rolled
Rolled -> 0_o
0_o -> Kiddo
Kiddo-Kun -> Rantai
Rantai -> Mashley

There's a flaw with this but trying to make sense of this game seems to pointless for me to find it.
If nobody dies, pretty sure cycling down the list one person each should give us a win if there is one mafia member.. unless they're bulletproof.

Wait, us? We're all independant. This game is retarded.
Rolled
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Also we should do this asap since mashley is leaving. Or just replace him.
Kiddo-Kun
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I targeted Wojjan.
Lybydose
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yeah no lynch is probably the best option. Since everyone is the same role, there isn't really anyone "more scummy" that we can even vote on; it would just be random voting and see who loses. We should just try to figure out the secret win condition. Hopefully it isn't voting related.

vote: no lynch
0_o
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0_o
vote no lynch
Rolled
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Rolled
vote: no lynch
Rantai
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What the flying..

- I targetted Wojjan.

I'm not sure what's going on but ok, Vote: No lynch
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Vote: No Lynch
foulcoon
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foulcoon
if you insist...

Vote: No Lynch
LadySuburu
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Somehow, the discussion went from everyone being a Serial Killer, to not killing anyone that day. Will Night be this peaceful?

No Lynch - Not lynched Day 2.

It is now Night 2. Please send all actions within 24 hours.
LadySuburu
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Night is still noisy, but mainly due to everyone setting up a little something.

Unfortunately, one of the group was already tired of living here.

Lybydose - Ordinary Townie - Suicided Night 1

When day came, everyone seemed less... hostile to each other. It seems the town will live peacefully from now on.

-------------------

Animask, by claiming his role for a strange reason and helping the town to get a grip on it's sanity, is awarded a Half-Win.

Taking his own life so that he wouldn't take others, Lybydose is awarded a half-win.

All living players are awarded 3/4 of a win, for being able to coordinate well enough that everyone followed the plan that Rolled developed.

Mod Notes and Secret win conditions coming once I update the main page.
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LadySuburu
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Mod Notes:

Everyone was an Ordinary Townie, but were told they were a Bulletproof Serial Killer.

The original win conditions were from the below.

1: When two serial killers were the only ones alive, they both would win.

2. Nobody sending in a kill would cause all living players to win.

3. Performing a No Lynch three times would cause all living players to win.


Hints at these win conditions came in the stories for Night, and for the No Lynch. A "Noisy" night meant that someone tried to use their kill.

Win Conditions that were added mid-game (Post-Animask claim)

1. Suicide. Lybydose was granted this half-win when he used his kill on himself.

2. Animask was awarded the special half-win for the move that made everyone else figure the game out.

3. If everyone followed the plan Rolled came up with (Which everyone but Lyby did, and since Lyby suicided...) They would be awarded a win, although not a full one.


More notes may come later.
Lybydose
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I figured the secret win condition was sending a kill on yourself. The reasoning being that if a deluded killer tried to kill himself, but was unable to do so, he would realize he wasn't a killer after all and break out of his delusion.

I also figured that if the win condition wasn't that, it was "no one sending a kill". I planned to bring that up day 3 if my self-kill didn't end the game.
Wojjan
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We're the fucking best.
Rolled
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Did anybody think their hidden win condition was to survive with animask until the end?

Something along those lines, anyway.
Rantai
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Rantai
My head hurts.
Sleep Powder
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Before I actually read what happens...

I'm going to guess everyone died/won because nobody used their role skill.

EDIT: I was close... if it wasn't for my roleclaim, I wonder what would've happened...
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