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[Experimental] Death Note: The Forum Game (GAME OVER)

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vytalibus
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REGISTRATION FOR THIS ROUND'S GAME HAS BEEN CLOSED.

We have a total of 7 confirmed players for this round. Hence, we are playing "The Killer Is Among Us" variant.

All confirmed players, please remain on standby while I randomly distribute the roles.

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"... Sir, there has been a breach on our database controls. Someone's accessing all of our files!"

"They've already gone through. Cut their transmission off quickly."

"But what about the data-"

"I'd be damned if they get all of our information. We can worry about what was stolen later. We have to limit the damage."

"Locating outsider's IP address... Located!"
"IP address blocked, sir!"
"Sir, we have located the information that was accessed by the outsider. Apparently they've retreived the information of six detectives, including the one leading them, sir. Their target seems to be specific and clear."

"... Killer."
vytalibus
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Day 1.

An abandoned industrial building on the unknown outskirts was chosen as the venue for seven individuals, as they were blindfolded and led to the center of the machinery room. The only signs leading the blind group to the spot were the sounds of gunshots threatening them to keep walking forward and straight. As the giant steel doors were shut, the seven removed the darkness from their eyes to see the dim and ominous atmosphere around them.

Speakers were situated around the vicinity, with cameras watching everyone's movements. Other than those, the place looked like it had been untouched for decades.

A few minutes later, a voice of a young man greeted the seven through the speakers.

"Welcome. You have been invited by one fellow among you. I am pretty sure you are well-accustomed to their works. They have only killed thousands of people and managed to secure information on the identity of each and every one of you. However, they have a twisted way of playing with their prey, as they specifically left a message on our database after they hacked through our system.

"They want you to squirm defenselessly as they pick you off one by one.

"We have no choice but to give in to their demands. We have no idea how much information they have retrieved. However, even with this, you have your chance of identifying the killer before they go for our blood. Successfully investigate the Killer, and we will do our very best to bring them down quickly. Be wary however; the Killer does not like inefficient investigations, and threatens to kill everyone if investigations were done in consecutive days.

"Chief Detective, you are among the group. I am entrusting you with the final decision on each and every investigation. Use it well.

"... Good luck."

(Day 1 will end 72 hours after this post.)
Ph0X
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Ph0X
tl;dr we don't confirm before the game starts.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
@MOD

Does the Chief Detective get replaced if killed...?

Are the detectives supposed to try and save the Chief Detective and find the Killer?

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The Killer can kill any time during the day? That sounds scary and unexpec---- *shot*
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Nvm, I found the rules...
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Great; thanks for ruining the game, animask.
Lilac
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Lilac
FoS: animask.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Cool, we've started and already got stuff going on. Much quicker than mafia.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Wait a sec...animask?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH~

Not this again! :|
Ph0X
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Ph0X
DxS and animask are mafia buddies.
Lilac
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Lilac
There's only one killer though...

...Oh you. :P
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Roleclaim: Killer

Hammer time~
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
um...

Inspection time~
Lilac
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Lilac

Ph0X wrote:

Great; thanks for ruining the game, animask.
Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
I am ever so slightly confused in regards to the last few posts here. Oh well.
vytalibus
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vytalibus

animask wrote:

@MOD

Does the Chief Detective get replaced if killed...?
No.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
I am more active.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
How active does this game need to be?

Roleclaim: Chief Detective

:D
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
lololol nice one animask

Nominate: animask for investigation.

GG everyone.
Sleep Powder
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@DxS (and some other people), since there is only 1 killer and 1 chief detective, the killer should be able to kill a random lurker without
much risk. While the detectives can't just decide based on suspicion, because the odds are against us on Day 1.

You have to remember that only the Killer may kill someone. The detectives will not be able to kill any detectives that they investigate.

But, the beginning is the best time to vote for someone to investigate, because the Killer will probably want to find out who the Chief Detective could be after the 2nd Day. If the Killer kills too many people and doesn't find the Cheif ( and vice versa ), our chances of finding the Killer will also increase. So the Killer will want to kill before too many innocent people are found out. In other words, the killer will want to kill the person who everyone votes for to inspect.

There's my thoughts on this game...

Also, don't play this like a mafia game.
Sleep Powder
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Addition to previous post...

I forgot to read what I typed before entering...

Only the Killer may kill. Detectives will want to find who is guilty AND innocent.

The Killer will use the bad investigations (after 1 investigation) to kill TWICE, but will possibly only kill once on the first bad inspection.

Detectives should investigate on the first day.

Odds for finding the Killer/Chief increase when we investigate or the Killer kills.

That's all that needs to be said...
DeathxShinigami
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I'm not playing this like a mafia game cause I know already thanks to pregame that you aren't the chief detective. Before I go into detail however why you aren't Chief Detective I'd like you to admit that you lied about your roleclaim.

So now is your chance...
Lilac
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I nominate to investigate DxS.

I don't believe animask is lieing, but if he is, we know he's the killer.
LadySuburu
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According to the response I got from vyt pre-game, if the chief says no to an investigation request, then we lose that day's investigation anyway. So investigating incorrectly and saying no have similar results, only I would think getting the confirmed non-killer, and having a chance to get a killer, would be better than not.

Incorrect Invest: Confirmed player, lose next day's investigate.
Denied Invest: Lose today's investigate.
No Invest (If possible): No penalty, but no chance to find killer.

Out of those options, incorrect and no investigation are the best two. I reccomend that the chief never deny a request, based on that.

Also, from what I've understood based on what's posted in the rules, the killer has to kill each day. Even if he didn't, I wouldn't see much of a reason for him to choose not to, so we should expect a kill each day regardless.

At this point, I'd agree with an animask or DxS investigation.
Azure_Kite
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I don't think animask would be serious in roleclaiming such an important role. It's essentially the same as committing suicide in this game. At the same time, if animask were the killer, they wouldn't want to cast suspicion on their character (which, of course, claiming to be CI would do).

By this reasoning, I believe animask is an ordinary detective.

Not nominating anybody at this point in time.
Sleep Powder
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Azure_Kyte wins.

@LS, I had a feeling I would be getting some things wrong, but with the rules and such, I was generally right.
You're theory sounds like a MafiaScum kind of theory, but it works too. (Mafia will want to always kill.) The only thing that was
different was that denying a investigation counts as a fail.

Can we unvote and revote?
LadySuburu
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animask wrote:

Azure_Kyte wins.

@LS, I had a feeling I would be getting some things wrong, but with the rules and such, I was generally right.
You're theory sounds like a MafiaScum kind of theory, but it works too. (Mafia will want to always kill.) The only thing that was
different was that denying a investigation counts as a fail.

Can we unvote and revote?
The main important difference is that an investigation does not remove the investigated player from the game, and when incorrect gives us someone who is confirmed not to be the killer. Of course we lose the next day's investigation, which gives us a few chances to lose.

This game is based off of mafia, so mafia theory can work here just as well. Of course, taking note of any differences is important.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Well then...

Un nominating for now.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

animask wrote:

Azure_Kyte wins.
That's not how you gambit...
Sleep Powder
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Ph0X wrote:

animask wrote:

Azure_Kyte wins.
That's not how you gambit...
At first I was like, "What? That wasn't a gambit."

Then after thinking about it for a few seconds I was like, "lol, icwudt"
vytalibus
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IMPORTANT EVENT.

As the members begin to disperse to ponder about LadySuburu's statements, LadySuburu just stopped and looked at the catwalk they were on. It was several yards away from cold, hard cement, and no one would ever dare step on the safety railing and jump over.

But LadySuburu suddenly had this question: what sound would a person make when they fall down?

In an instant, LadySuburu's feet were already over the railing. Over and off.

No one ever saw the leap. All they saw afterwards was the mush and pile of mess that was LadySuburu.

One can only wonder if LadySuburu ever found the answer to the last question.

LadySuburu has been killed.

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animask wrote:

Can we unvote and revote?
As long as the condition for a investigation suggestion is not met (votes against a person must total to half of the remaining players (rounded down) plus one), yes. This means a vote that would meet that condition cannot be retracted.
LadySuburu
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vytalibus wrote:

IMPORTANT EVENT.

As the members begin to disperse to ponder about LadySuburu's statements, LadySuburu just stopped and looked at the catwalk they were on. It was several yards away from cold, hard cement, and no one would ever dare step on the safety railing and jump over.

But LadySuburu suddenly had this question: what sound would a person make when they fall down?

In an instant, LadySuburu's feet were already over the railing. Over and off.

No one ever saw the leap. All they saw afterwards was the mush and pile of mess that was LadySuburu.

One can only wonder if LadySuburu ever found the answer to the last question.

LadySuburu has been killed.
Hey vyt can I still talk to players outside of thread?

Also oooooh I'm a ghost.
Lilac
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Someone pushed LS off.

Now we need to know.

Here are a few possibilities:

* Killer found that LS contributed greatly towards the detectives side. Person obviously found LS a great threat.
* From this, it would mean that the person is either really afraid of LS catching on, or that previous Mafia games meant that it would be a risk to them.

Anyone else got any other ideas?
Ph0X
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My idea is that you are the killer.
vytalibus
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LadySuburu wrote:

Hey vyt can I still talk to players outside of thread?
I would like you to refrain from giving out anything that might influence the game in any way. Otherwise, feel free to comment on what is happening.
LadySuburu
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vytalibus wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Hey vyt can I still talk to players outside of thread?
I would like you to refrain from giving out anything that might influence the game in any way. Otherwise, feel free to comment on what is happening.
Will do. Might want to put a similar note in the OP.
Lilac
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I'm nominating DxS to be scanned still.
vytalibus
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Today's tally:
Lilac votes against DeathxShinigami

Number of votes needed to put an investigation: 4

(Dead players cannot vote, obviously. There is no paper in the Afterlife.)
Lilac
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Let's be particually honest here. When LS died, there were only a few people online at the time. Considering if the killer PM'd vyt for a kill at around the same time that vyt got it, this would limit it to only a few people.

*Me
*Ph0X
*DxS

If you want, you can investigate all 3 of us and that's really all you have to do.
Azure_Kite
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So LadySuburu's dead already ;~;

reading LS's posts though, there's not a lot in there that isn't common sense.

For now, Lilac's suggestion that the Killer was online around the time the death was announced doesn't necessarily make sense to me. What if the Killer simply sent a PM and logged off, and Vyt picked up the kill request when he next logged on?

I'll keep thinking about it, for now.
Sleep Powder
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Suicide kill?

Vote: Lilac

Let's start with you...
Lilac
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Azure_Kyte wrote:

For now, Lilac's suggestion that the Killer was online around the time the death was announced doesn't necessarily make sense to me. What if the Killer simply sent a PM and logged off, and Vyt picked up the kill request when he next logged on?

I'll keep thinking about it, for now.
There is that possibility, which is why I said "if". I mean, there's even one person who's not here. It's really the best lead so far. In fact, I'd also be more worried about the people who HAVEN'T contributed... It's what made me lose in Kingdom Royale.
Haseo_old
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Lilac wrote:

Let's be particually honest here. When LS died, there were only a few people online at the time. Considering if the killer PM'd vyt for a kill at around the same time that vyt got it, this would limit it to only a few people.

*Me
*Ph0X
*DxS

If you want, you can investigate all 3 of us and that's really all you have to do.

Azure_Kyte wrote:

So LadySuburu's dead already ;~;

reading LS's posts though, there's not a lot in there that isn't common sense.

For now, Lilac's suggestion that the Killer was online around the time the death was announced doesn't necessarily make sense to me. What if the Killer simply sent a PM and logged off, and Vyt picked up the kill request when he next logged on?

I'll keep thinking about it, for now.
I'm really confused right now, but what I quoted about Lilac and Kyte made me think:
There is a possibility that the killer did not sent the kill PM by private message.It might be even sent outside the website itself. Ph0X isn't even contributing, so this made him suspicious.

Vote:Ph0X
Lilac
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There are very few websites that vyt looks outside and can get a message. That doesn't make any sense at all, but I'm not sure about vyt's websites and the killer.

Also, until that post YOU weren't contributing either. Don't you dare think about blaming anyone else yet.
Azure_Kite
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that's certainly a possibility; It's often the lurkers who are the culprits, flying under the radar.

I don't think we need to consider external sources for the Kill, though. Any way you look at it, the Killer is able to notify the host without anyone else knowing. A PM is for the most part, private, hence the acronym. So that's a dead end.

For now, Voting Ph0x, simply because at this point, I'm suspecting a low flying Participant.
Sleep Powder
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Idea: If someone bandwagon votes for an investigation. The Chief will most likely go with the investigation.

Also, hi Haseo.
vytalibus
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I am extending this day for 18 more hours (after this post) for the undecided and recently-inactive. As of yet, here is the tally for the nominations:

Lilac votes against DeathxShinigami
animask votes against Lilac
Haseo votes against Ph0x
Azure_Kyte votes against Ph0x

Votes needed to nominate someone up for investigation: 4

Stay frosty, fellows. Whether an investigation goes or not for this day could decide the outcome.
Lilac
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Unvote, Vote: Ph0X. Might as well investigate SOMEONE.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
same

unvote, Vote: Ph0X

Lets do Lilac next~
Ph0X
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animask wrote:

Idea: If someone bandwagon votes for an investigation. The Chief will most likely go with the investigation.
Huh? I don't know what you mean.
vytalibus
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Four votes have been casted for Ph0x. He has been nominated for investigation.

The Chief Detective shall review the nomination and message me for his/her confirmation.
Haseo_old
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Lilac wrote:

Also, until that post YOU weren't contributing either. Don't you dare think about blaming anyone else yet.
Sorry, school's been hard on me lately -.-
vytalibus
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IMPORTANT EVENT

The silence of the establishment was broken by the echoey voice from the speakers.

"The Chief Detective has given you the right to investigate Ph0x. You may proceed as planned."

Ph0x was brought to the center of the room, tied and bound to a chair. A long series of sessions laid upon him, as each individual questioned his integrity and motive.

Hours had passed, and they could find no reasonable platform to judge him against. They found Ph0x innocent of all crimes.

And thus the end of the first day approached.

Day 1 has ended, and with that, Day 2 has started.

However, due to a failed investigation from the previous day, no investigation shall commence today. Discussions among the group are still permitted. The Killer is still on the loose, and will continue to wreck havoc upon your group. Think carefully about what had transpired already.

You have around 72 hours for this day.
Sleep Powder
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@Ph0X, the Chief can deny an investigation and once the required votes are met, the Chief will (most likely) choose the deny option. With this in mind, I think the Killer would try to accuse someone else of being Killer and avoid reaching the required amount of votes needed. (or will vote for themself as a way of saying they aren't Killer)

New Idea: What would the Killer do if he/she was almost voted enough to be investigated?
Would they try to defend them-self? If so, that would make them suspicious.

Question for everyone: What do you think is the best way to find the Killer?
Ph0X
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animask wrote:

@Ph0X, the Chief can deny an investigation and once the required votes are met, the Chief will (most likely) choose the deny option.
What makes you say that?

animask wrote:

Question for everyone: What do you think is the best way to find the Killer?
See who's most passionate.
Haseo_old
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vytalibus wrote:

They found Ph0x innocent of all crimes.
That leads DxS to be a suspect,although it's unlikely.
Sleep Powder
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@Ph0X, the events that occur when denying an investigation would be failure the next day, finding someone innocent the next (counts as failure) or finding the Killer (win).

...oh wait. I had a typo in my last post.

I meant most likely not... :?
vytalibus
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GM ANNOUNCEMENT

I will be away on a short vacation this weekend. I am not sure if I will be able to access the internet by then. Therefore, I will be extending the deadline by another 24 hours.

Enjoy your discussions.
DeathxShinigami
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@Haseo, why me all of a sudden? You don't seem to have any reasoning within your post and on top of that no one voted upon me during Day 1.

If anything I suspect Lilac as he was the one to generate the "list of activity" during day 1.
Haseo_old
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DeathxShinigami wrote:

If anything I suspect Lilac as he was the one to generate the "list of activity" during day 1.
You've got a point there, but saying that whoever generates the "list of activity" suspicious also makes Kyte suspicious.

I'm new to this
vytalibus
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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Day 1
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Gagged and bound, sent here with six others. Not sure how long I've been knocked out. Speakers slapped all around the establishment, with monotonous voice booming from them. Recognized this as my superior. He must really want me to tackle the investigation.

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Killer claimed his first victim already. I could tell because LadySuburu has the integrity not to foolishly fall to death. I could smell his hands dripping in blood already.

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I have to get these guys to trust me on this. In this twisted game, we have to cooperate to survive.

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Investigated Ph0x. Had an initial suspicion of him knowing a lot about psychological warfare. Turns out he's just playing it smart.
Day 2
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Can't investigate today, or Killer will break his own rules and finish us off. We have to wait.

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No... We have to wait...

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I haev totel ltheambo-
DeathxShinigami was holding his journal when he fell into a deep slumber. A very deep one. Most likely a permanent one, judging by his lack of pulse.

DeathxShinigami has been killed.
vytalibus
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Day 3... And Beyond.

"... I hope you got your wish, Killer. Six detectives, and you played them around on a silver platter. If I was as sick-minded as you are, I'd be impressed by you taking only two days to win at your own game."

The man, alone in a dark-pitched room, looked at the only door as it opened. The Killer stepped inside, making his presence known.

"Azure_Kyte... You sick maniac..."

Azure_Kyte kept silent. He would not want to waste his breath on a dead man, anyway.

THE KILLER (Azure_Kyte) HAS WON!

Killer:
Azure_Kyte

Chief Detective:
DeathxShinigami

Detectives:
Haseo
Lilac
LadySuburu
Ph0x
animask
The game was abrupt, but I learned a lot of things to develop along the way. I appreciate all your cooperation during this brief tenure.

If you have any questions, or would like to leave a comment about the game itself, feel free to do so. I will mostly likely hold another round soon, preferably with the other variant.
Haseo_old
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TRI-EDGE WAS THE KILLER? WHY THE POOT DIDN'T I NOTICED THAT?
That was fast. I was going to go all PW on everyone, yet screaming at quotes can only be a dream
NoHitter
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Thoughts:
I think that this game was really a clear Killer win in the first place.
Killer had to kill Chief Detective. He could do this once per day.
Detectives had to find killer. They could do this once per two days.
Basically Killer has a higher chance of winning because he has twice the number of attempts the detectives have.
And both are targeting one person.

Perhaps you could make it equal?
Or add a role that could target and guard someone and die instead of the target?
vytalibus
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NoHItter wrote:

Thoughts:
I think that this game was really a clear Killer win in the first place.
Killer had to kill Chief Detective. He could do this once per day.
Detectives had to find killer. They could do this once per two days.
Basically Killer has a higher chance of winning because he has twice the number of attempts the detectives have.
And both are targeting one person.

Perhaps you could make it equal?
Or add a role that could target and guard someone and die instead of the target?
I was playing more on the what ifs. Also consider the following:

Seven players, one killer.
Killer has 1 out of 6 chances to kill CD. He kills each day, and if he kills a non-CD, his chances increases. However, he has no clue who the CD is, no matter what.
Detectives can only investigate once every two days at most. They also have the same chances. However, even a failed investigation can give them an edge, because it means they can actually trust that person they investigated. There are underlying psychological benefits from investigations that I kept in there.
That, and even with the chances, the Killer makes his own risk. Sure he gets a bigger chance of finding the CD for every kill, but that also gives the Detectives the same amount of chances.

I will admit, however, that the "no consecutive investigation" rule was added in late because otherwise, there wouldn't be much thought given into nominating a person up for investigation. Because it's basically one versus everyone else, I figured the bigger group has to give a much deeper thought into their actions, and sum them all up together to find a good plan in figuring out the Killer.

I'm very reluctant into adding another role for a variant targetted towards a small player pool because new mechanics would potentially break the whole "let's figure out who the Killer is" mechanics.
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