Why do people say that osu is genetics based? Like if you're born with certain genes, you will be strong at osu?
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Because it's true. It is readily apparent that two people who play the same exact maps for the same amount of time from the moment they install the game will not be at the exact same skill level. This isn't to say you can't be good if you have "bad" genetics or that every person with "good" genetics is a good player, but it obviously plays a factor, like it does in basically every other competitive game/sport etc,.
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I see that...Naiad wrote:
Because it's true. It is readily apparent that two people who play the same exact maps for the same amount of time from the moment they install the game will not be at the exact same skill level. This isn't to say you can't be good if you have "bad" genetics or that every person with "good" genetics is a good player, but it obviously plays a factor, like it does in basically every other competitive game/sport etc,.
People mostly say it because most people in life have a fixed mindset and think that you are either inherently good at something or you're not. It's the same thing as when people see someone that's good at art or math and assume it was a talent they were born with, and they say, "I could never draw like that," "I'm just not a math person." It's easier in the short-term to blame what you can't control. Most people I see talking about genetics are unlikely to have "bad genetics" physically but have terrible mindset.
I agree that dwelling on genetics tends to be detrimental to a person's mindset, but the reality is that they do exist and I think that acting like no one is held back by genetics is disingenuous.Happy Satoko wrote:
People mostly say it because most people in life have a fixed mindset and think that you are either inherently good at something or you're not. It's the same thing as when people see someone that's good at art or math and assume it was a talent they were born with, and they say, "I could never draw like that," "I'm just not a math person." It's easier in the short-term to blame what you can't control. Most people I see talking about genetics are unlikely to have "bad genetics" physically but have terrible mindset.
Most people that say that they are held back by genetics are not, they are held back by mindset. I have seen a few people where I do think they're just fucked, but not nearly as often as I see people complaining about genetics because they don't want to put in the proper practice.Naiad wrote:
I agree that dwelling on genetics tends to be detrimental to a person's mindset, but the reality is that they do exist and I think that acting like no one is held back by genetics is disingenuous.
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It's crazy to see some people saying "omg I'm trash I don't have genetics" then 2 days later they get a top play...Happy Satoko wrote:
Most people that say that they are held back by genetics are not, they are held back by mindset. I have seen a few people where I do think they're just fucked, but not nearly as often as I see people complaining about genetics because they don't want to put in the proper practice.Naiad wrote:
I agree that dwelling on genetics tends to be detrimental to a person's mindset, but the reality is that they do exist and I think that acting like no one is held back by genetics is disingenuous.
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two people who install the game have differend skills that translate to osu! differendly, differend approach to playing/improving, differend mindsets etc, learned from things they did before. differend environmentNaiad wrote:
Because it's true. It is readily apparent that two people who play the same exact maps for the same amount of time from the moment they install the game will not be at the exact same skill level. This isn't to say you can't be good if you have "bad" genetics or that every person with "good" genetics is a good player, but it obviously plays a factor, like it does in basically every other competitive game/sport etc,.
Its impossible to measure how much osu skill is based on genetics.
If you cant measure it then blaming it is an excuse, its as simple as that.
There are literally people with genetic DEFECTS who are playing at the top level of sports, e.g. Francesca Jones.
If you are an average human you have no excuse since osu is a niche game that nobody plays. There is very little competition here.
Genetics could play a part but it could be really small (5%), you never know.
If you cant measure it then blaming it is an excuse, its as simple as that.
There are literally people with genetic DEFECTS who are playing at the top level of sports, e.g. Francesca Jones.
If you are an average human you have no excuse since osu is a niche game that nobody plays. There is very little competition here.
You don't know if that variance between two players is caused by genetics. It could be caused by totally controllable factors and if you blame genetics you will never find those factors and lose without even trying. Not to mention pp is a very rough way to measure skill and comparing pp is not a very accurate way to compare improvement rate. Additionally people can play offline to improve without increasing playtime which gives the illusion of "talent".Naiad wrote:
Because it's true. It is readily apparent that two people who play the same exact maps for the same amount of time from the moment they install the game will not be at the exact same skill level. This isn't to say you can't be good if you have "bad" genetics or that every person with "good" genetics is a good player, but it obviously plays a factor, like it does in basically every other competitive game/sport etc,.
Genetics could play a part but it could be really small (5%), you never know.
Yes, but none of that really negates what I said.dung eater wrote:
two people who install the game have differend skills that translate to osu! differendly, differend approach to playing/improving, differend mindsets etc, learned from things they did before. differend environmentNaiad wrote:
Because it's true. It is readily apparent that two people who play the same exact maps for the same amount of time from the moment they install the game will not be at the exact same skill level. This isn't to say you can't be good if you have "bad" genetics or that every person with "good" genetics is a good player, but it obviously plays a factor, like it does in basically every other competitive game/sport etc,.
Of course there are many factors, I made it very clear that I dont think genetics are the main or even the most important factor. Additionally, I never said anything about pp, but I will add that pp is a very good approximation of skill, even though it isnt perfect. I was speaking purely hypothetically, in a world where we know that two players did indeed do the exact same thing since the moment they installed, with no offline play etc,.Fxjlk wrote:
You don't know if that variance between two players is caused by genetics. It could be caused by totally controllable factors and if you blame genetics you will never find those factors and lose without even trying. Not to mention pp is a very rough way to measure skill and comparing pp is not a very accurate way to compare improvement rate. Additionally people can play offline to improve without increasing playtime which gives the illusion of "talent".Naiad wrote:
Because it's true. It is readily apparent that two people who play the same exact maps for the same amount of time from the moment they install the game will not be at the exact same skill level. This isn't to say you can't be good if you have "bad" genetics or that every person with "good" genetics is a good player, but it obviously plays a factor, like it does in basically every other competitive game/sport etc,.
Genetics could play a part but it could be really small (5%), you never know.
I'll stress again that I agree that dwelling on genetics is unhelpful to an individual's improvement and that it isn't the most important factor in a person's improvement, but I simply don't think that someone like me can ever have 330 bpm stamina like Aetrna as an example. I don't let this get in the way of me playing/improving and I think my stamina is well above average, but I think my point is clear
my thought process:
you cant do anything about it or ever even know just how much and in what way it affects you -> you should ignore it.
this natural talent thing is true of everything, its not some new concept only osu has.
you cant do anything about it or ever even know just how much and in what way it affects you -> you should ignore it.
this natural talent thing is true of everything, its not some new concept only osu has.
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So basically, there are people who are born to be top players?WitherMite wrote:
my thought process:
you cant do anything about it or ever even know just how much and in what way it affects you -> you should ignore it.
this natural talent thing is true of everything, its not some new concept only osu has.
Genetics are real, they aren't really it though. Sure they make playing specific skillsets easier, but that is something anyone could really gain from constant time commitment and practice. "Genetics" is just used as a scrape goat excuse to justify why someone is better than the average player while also not taking into account other factors. (mindset, living conditions, health, etc.) Its a real thing, if some top players are anything to see, but (and I stress this but) it does not have any real weight stopping a normal player from achieving the same feats without those genetics. All in all Genetics are real, but not significant.
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I'll stress again that I agree that dwelling on genetics is unhelpful to an individual's improvement and that it isn't the most important factor in a person's improvement, but I simply don't think that someone like me can ever have 330 bpm stamina like Aetrna as an example. I don't let this get in the way of me playing/improving and I think my stamina is well above average, but I think my point is clear
I mean maybe, sure, but I think there's a big difference between the "genetics" between a top 5k and a top 20 player for instance and the "genetics" most people talk about. I don't think anyone really doubts that not everyone can become a top player, you've got to have a special something to have an edge over other people in such high-level play. However, when people bring up "genetics", it's usually in reference to things like their friend improving faster than them, or them not being able to play a certain mod etc. In other words, they're blaming genetics way before they've actually hit high-level play, where a genetic difference might become significant. So I don't think necessarily that we're disagreeing here, just talking about two different things.
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It seems that your experience is different than mine, because I very often see people insist that anyone can deathstream 300 or whatever. ("with enough practice")Happy Satoko wrote:
Naiad wrote:
I'll stress again that I agree that dwelling on genetics is unhelpful to an individual's improvement and that it isn't the most important factor in a person's improvement, but I simply don't think that someone like me can ever have 330 bpm stamina like Aetrna as an example. I don't let this get in the way of me playing/improving and I think my stamina is well above average, but I think my point is clear
I mean maybe, sure, but I think there's a big difference between the "genetics" between a top 5k and a top 20 player for instance and the "genetics" most people talk about. I don't think anyone really doubts that not everyone can become a top player, you've got to have a special something to have an edge over other people in such high-level play. However, when people bring up "genetics", it's usually in reference to things like their friend improving faster than them, or them not being able to play a certain mod etc. In other words, they're blaming genetics way before they've actually hit high-level play, where a genetic difference might become significant. So I don't think necessarily that we're disagreeing here, just talking about two different things.
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Well, YOU are one of the fastest improving cat I've ever seen with WhiteCatan actual cat wrote:
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Everyone is playing differently, so it leads to a lot of variation in people’s results. Talent is just a word we use for people who naturally use more optimal processes. People blame genetics because it’s a lot easier than taking responsibility for your results and being proactive.
I find it really frustrating when I hear people blame genetics or talent for their lack of progress. Not only do you limit your own progress by creating an "us" and "them" mentality, you also discredit much of the effort which top players have put in to reach their level.
I find it really frustrating when I hear people blame genetics or talent for their lack of progress. Not only do you limit your own progress by creating an "us" and "them" mentality, you also discredit much of the effort which top players have put in to reach their level.
Not just that but you discredit your own progress, too. If you've gotten where you are based on innate talent (or lack of), then good days are "just how you're supposed to be playing" and bad days mean you're just a bad player, rather than both just being you putting in the effort.aveil wrote:
Everyone is playing differently, so it leads to a lot of variation in people’s results. Talent is just a word we use for people who naturally use more optimal processes. People blame genetics because it’s a lot easier than taking responsibility for your results and being proactive.
I find it really frustrating when I hear people blame genetics or talent for their lack of progress. Not only do you limit your own progress by creating an "us" and "them" mentality, you also discredit much of the effort which top players have put in to reach their level.
genetics apply to your fisic... how strong and resistant your body can be, like, you can have a really good resistance into your arm, you maybe can have a god tier resistance to injurys/lesions or not.
Another example is cookiezi, he cant play ar10 more whithout struggle or anything based on reaction time bc of his goofys eyes(he said it, not me).
your body can be really responsive even while youre on a giga nerves adrenaline episode or you can simply get parkinsons like this
(lmao i love this video so hard look at the scream in the final bshhahaha icant xD)
genetic is more like 'fisic' disadvantages and advantages, but nothing that can stop you.
Another example is cookiezi, he cant play ar10 more whithout struggle or anything based on reaction time bc of his goofys eyes(he said it, not me).
your body can be really responsive even while youre on a giga nerves adrenaline episode or you can simply get parkinsons like this
(lmao i love this video so hard look at the scream in the final bshhahaha icant xD)
genetic is more like 'fisic' disadvantages and advantages, but nothing that can stop you.