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Mafia is populr now gaiz
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I startsded it!animask wrote:
Mafia is populr now gaiz
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Also, do you want to play?animask wrote:
Mafia is populr now gaiz
I love you, yes.LadySuburu wrote:
Also, do you want to play?animask wrote:
Mafia is populr now gaiz
Don't make me a Doctor again. I fail at Doctor/Priest roles.
Me me!
Join
Random regular screams!
Join
Random regular screams!
SLOT ME UP, SCOTTY!
I think I'll play from the sidelines on this one.
Put me down as a replacement though I guess (again)
Put me down as a replacement though I guess (again)
/in
Always in.
Oh hey I'm here on time finally.
in
in
holy shitRolled wrote:
Oh hey I'm here on time finally.
in
hi
omgomgomg JoinRolled wrote:
Oh hey I'm here on time finally.
Playing via PS3?Rolled wrote:
Oh hey I'm here on time finally.
in
either way....
OH GOD NO
Replacement...
...I'm sorry, Rolled. T_T
...I'm sorry, Rolled. T_T
Confirmed.
Confirmed ^_^
Confirmed.~
I just realized Rolled is here...
My faggotry is now outmatched, maybe.
My faggotry is now outmatched, maybe.
ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED
;P
WHERE DO I CONFIRM? I DON'T SEE IT IN MY PM OR IN THE RULES!
;P
WHERE DO I CONFIRM? I DON'T SEE IT IN MY PM OR IN THE RULES!
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Either, bro. (I actually confirm someone once I see the PM has been read.)Ph0X wrote:
ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED ROLLED
;P
WHERE DO I CONFIRM? I DON'T SEE IT IN MY PM OR IN THE RULES!
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All but one are confirmed, we start.
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 5 days.
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 5 days.
Vote: Chris
I don't know you, you seem pretty shady to me.
I don't know you, you seem pretty shady to me.
inb4 "OMG YOU LYNCHED KENNY!"
Can we unvote before the last 24 hours or same rules as the last HNM?
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animask wrote:
Can we unvote before the last 24 hours or same rules as the last HNM?
Rules wrote:
8. Votes are reset 24 hours before lynch deadline. At that point, votes may no longer be changed once they've been placed.
Vote: Chris
A friend of two's who has actually been known to be a carpetbagger in this community. Do I trust the words of a person who knows nothing about this community? Probably no.
A friend of two's who has actually been known to be a carpetbagger in this community. Do I trust the words of a person who knows nothing about this community? Probably no.
ya he is my friend but he's also rolled's friend, and we purposely don't talk about this game because all that would end up happening would be the 3 of us think each other is mafia
Vote: DeathxShinigami
I don't know what a carpetbagger is.
I don't know what a carpetbagger is.
How many games of Mafia/WWG has everybody played, here? Not necessarily on these forums, but a rough total count.
I've played probably like 5 total, not including the ones that got canceled, remade, all that jazz. This is my first Mafia that I remember, though (I may have died n1 of another one or something)
I've played probably like 5 total, not including the ones that got canceled, remade, all that jazz. This is my first Mafia that I remember, though (I may have died n1 of another one or something)
I'm gonna say 10-15? All of them here, though I'm not sure how many of those were cancelled. Definitely 10+ completed games though.Rolled wrote:
How many games of Mafia/WWG has everybody played, here? Not necessarily on these forums, but a rough total count.
I've played probably like 5 total, not including the ones that got canceled, remade, all that jazz. This is my first Mafia that I remember, though (I may have died n1 of another one or something)
I have no idea how many I've played
they were all glorious victories though
they were all glorious victories though
I've played 2 games. About a year between the two. 1 of them was recent.
Why do you always take replacement positions, faceman?
Better success rate of roles you like?
(I'm assuming spectators, or at least replacements, can talk in mafia games? Sorry if I'm getting OT)
edit: animask, what roles did you get? Which did you prefer more?
Better success rate of roles you like?
(I'm assuming spectators, or at least replacements, can talk in mafia games? Sorry if I'm getting OT)
edit: animask, what roles did you get? Which did you prefer more?
lolol I just realized now that I got my games mixed up.. I'll crawl into a hole now kthxbye
And I chose to be a replacement so I could focus on one game at a time, but still be available if backup is needed.
And I chose to be a replacement so I could focus on one game at a time, but still be available if backup is needed.
Priest (aka Doctor) and Doctor (aka Doctor).Rolled wrote:
animask, what roles did you get? Which did you prefer more?
I prefer being a normal townie or mafia. Mostly townie, because I get to reek havoc
that sometimes benefits mafia (less NK rate) and sometimes townies (less DK[??] rate).
Mafia has more risks, but at least I won't get scared of being NK'd. Getting NK'd is a huge
fear for me when playing this game unless a few days have passed, then I'm alright.
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I won't get mad about idle commentary as such, but I prefer spectators not post generally.Rolled wrote:
Why do you always take replacement positions, faceman?
Better success rate of roles you like?
(I'm assuming spectators, or at least replacements, can talk in mafia games? Sorry if I'm getting OT)
edit: animask, what roles did you get? Which did you prefer more?
Spectators/Replacements are not allowed to discuss who they think is mafia, or other game-related topics with the players, no matter what.
I think I've played three? I'm pretty sure none have ever been completed, either due to bad host or someone giving away roles.
I've played about...9 mafia games?
Out of all the mafia games that I didn't play here though those were chat mafia type games...
Still a believer in a community based game not a game where we get to drag random people who aren't even involved in this osu! community whatsoever.
Out of all the mafia games that I didn't play here though those were chat mafia type games...
Still a believer in a community based game not a game where we get to drag random people who aren't even involved in this osu! community whatsoever.
Maybe five? I've hosted a few, too. Also made a Dethy bot (anyone remember that?).Rolled wrote:
How many games of Mafia/WWG has everybody played, here? Not necessarily on these forums, but a rough total count.
I hope Chris isn't a dumbass this game like in the last game I remember playing with him.
;P
Why, is he your scum buddy?Ph0X wrote:
I hope Chris isn't a dumbass this game like in the last game I remember playing with him.
;P
I confirm (perfect time zone eh?)
This is my second time playing mafia. My last one was the recent HNM hosted by LS
Knowing Two - Rolled - Chris friend alignment makes me feel uneasy >_>
This is my second time playing mafia. My last one was the recent HNM hosted by LS
Knowing Two - Rolled - Chris friend alignment makes me feel uneasy >_>
I don't know how you do it.Rolled wrote:
Why, is he your scum buddy?Ph0X wrote:
I hope Chris isn't a dumbass this game like in the last game I remember playing with him.
;P
You amaze me, Rolled.
Uneasy in a threatening way or..?bmin11 wrote:
Knowing Two - Rolled - Chris friend alignment makes me feel uneasy >_>
Ph0x: There are two situations where you would hope Chris isn't a dumbass.
Situation 1: He is your scum partner. This is less likely than situation 2, as you wouldn't associate yourself with fellow scum d1.
Situation 2: You know he is town, and you are attempting to associate yourself with another townie.
There's only two roles you can possess that let you know Chris is town d1. Both are scum.
You're welcome guys, here's your first mafia.
I won't FoS or anything though because I'm pretty sure you died d1 in the last mafia. That would be mean to do it twice
Unvote
Anyway Rolled, I think you're making hasty judgements, which is pretty scummy to me.
About 5? I'm not gonna go back and check but it sounds right to me.Rolled wrote:
How many games of Mafia/WWG has everybody played, here? Not necessarily on these forums, but a rough total count.
Anyway Rolled, I think you're making hasty judgements, which is pretty scummy to me.
rust45 wrote:
UnvoteAbout 5? I'm not gonna go back and check but it sounds right to me.Rolled wrote:
How many games of Mafia/WWG has everybody played, here? Not necessarily on these forums, but a rough total count.
Anyway Rolled, I think you're making hasty judgements, which is pretty scummy to me.
What?rust45, the first post of day 1 wrote:
Vote: Chris
I don't know you, you seem pretty shady to me.
We got problems, rust doesn't know how to play this game.
Discuss.
Discuss.
I really don't think you're the person to be saying that
Vote: Rust because he is mafia
rust must be my Mafia partner.
... Right?
... Right?
Hi my name is phox. I accidentally scumtell'd a page ago but I'm just going to brush it off as sarcasm, and plant heavy sarcasm in every sequential post to make my OP's "sarcasm" seem more legitimate.
Since when were RVS posts to be taken seriously?Rolled wrote:
rust45 wrote:
Anyway Rolled, I think you're making hasty judgements, which is pretty scummy to me.What?rust45, the first post of day 1 wrote:
Vote: Chris
I don't know you, you seem pretty shady to me.
A scum tell doesn't always mark scum.
Therefore...
Vote: Rolled
Oh, I know I'll be unvoting you~
Therefore...
Vote: Rolled
Oh, I know I'll be unvoting you~
You gave reasoning for your vote, saying Chris was "shady." Maybe that wasn't to be taken seriously, but truth is, it was hasty judgement. You then stated hasty judgement is a scumtell, and you unvoted, which sounded like an "I'm coming for you, Rolled."rust45 wrote:
Since when were RVS posts to be taken seriously?
I'm not certain as of right now anybody's role but my own. That being said, I'm going to place my scum vote on people who have given me scum tells. Not really much else to go on.animask wrote:
A scum tell doesn't always mark scum
the "lets all vote for random people ^__^" sentiment is horrible if you actually are town, since it 100% guarantees town dies day 1
About 5, I'm getting better at this game as I play more, really.Rolled wrote:
How many games of Mafia/WWG has everybody played, here? Not necessarily on these forums, but a rough total count.
I've played probably like 5 total, not including the ones that got canceled, remade, all that jazz. This is my first Mafia that I remember, though (I may have died n1 of another one or something)
sup guys
My name isn't phox.Rolled wrote:
Hi my name is phox. I accidentally scumtell'd a page ago but I'm just going to brush it off as sarcasm, and plant heavy sarcasm in every sequential post to make my OP's "sarcasm" seem more legitimate.
Also, I will find it highly amusing if you manage a bandwagon against me.
I smell some emotional warfare...
(Highly) Emotional reactions are a aux/mafia tell.
True or not. I'm using this rule.
(Highly) Emotional reactions are a aux/mafia tell.
True or not. I'm using this rule.
vote: ph0xPh0X wrote:
Also, I will find it highly amusing if you manage a bandwagon against me.
or just not dealing it seriously with it. Accusing for meta relationship is weak and proven to be dangerous on the previous HNM game. So ya, I'm not weighing at all tbhRolled wrote:
Uneasy in a threatening way or..?
and you can't vote Ph0X twice even your name is "Two" >_>
He was hoping no one (not even LS) would notice.bmin11 wrote:
and you can't vote Ph0X twice even your name is "Two" >_>
ph0x, I'd rather not have you lynched d1 because you are one of the stronger minds, and with the most experience, in this game. That's the logistic side of me. If I went with my gut, I would vote for you.
But truth is, you getting lynched d1 as pro-town is a huge win for mafia. It's not worthwhile to take that chance on a gut feeling.
But at the same time, I wish you'd be giving me more reason to think you're pro-town. You've yet to say anything in this thread constructive towards the game. All you've been doing is trying to evade pressure by shrugging everything off as sarcasm.
I'm on to you though, bro.
Let's point some FoS's. This is somewhat in order of extremity:
Rust: hypocrite
ph0x: read above
animask: You gave no reason for voting for me other than that you thought my logic was wrong. You didn't mention anything I did specifically that you thought was scummy.
DxS: Making personal votes doesn't benefit town. Chris is in the game whether you like it or not, so place your vote somewhere else unless there's a reason you're voting Chris that we don't know. It's a good cop-out if you're mafia, though.
Two: I feel that Two is trusting me more in this game than in the past (lolmeta). An optimal day 1 for him is ph0x getting lynched, and me getting NKed. This is without a doubt.
oh and Q is always mafia.
But truth is, you getting lynched d1 as pro-town is a huge win for mafia. It's not worthwhile to take that chance on a gut feeling.
But at the same time, I wish you'd be giving me more reason to think you're pro-town. You've yet to say anything in this thread constructive towards the game. All you've been doing is trying to evade pressure by shrugging everything off as sarcasm.
I'm on to you though, bro.
Let's point some FoS's. This is somewhat in order of extremity:
Rust: hypocrite
ph0x: read above
animask: You gave no reason for voting for me other than that you thought my logic was wrong. You didn't mention anything I did specifically that you thought was scummy.
DxS: Making personal votes doesn't benefit town. Chris is in the game whether you like it or not, so place your vote somewhere else unless there's a reason you're voting Chris that we don't know. It's a good cop-out if you're mafia, though.
Two: I feel that Two is trusting me more in this game than in the past (lolmeta). An optimal day 1 for him is ph0x getting lynched, and me getting NKed. This is without a doubt.
oh and Q is always mafia.
I don't know what post of mine gave you the impression that I don't think you're mafia. Maybe the lack of a post?Rolled wrote:
Two: I feel that Two is trusting me more in this game than in the past (lolmeta).
Why ignore the last part. Is it because it is true?
ignoring all other factors, my ideal lynch as town is chris cause he isn't that active
if I consider the content of posts, then right now I think ph0x is the most likely to be mafia
if I were mafia, I would night kill rust45
if I consider the content of posts, then right now I think ph0x is the most likely to be mafia
if I were mafia, I would night kill rust45
edit:
p.s.- animask was lurking, but he didn't post
Stuff like that is shady to me, especially when you're being called out.
Stuff like that is shady to me, especially when you're being called out.
No accusations in the following. Just ideas.
Rolled, you seem to be pressuring players a bit by lightly accusing them of being mafia. Seems like a Cop sort of thing. Aux/Mafia
Ph0X, just survive until Day 2 please. I'll decide what to do with you then.
rust45, information without much accusation. Seems kind of townie.
Two, a bit annoying, but why vote for Ph0X? If Ph0X survives another day we might have a lead.
If hes mafia, then we just need to read his posts carefully. No matter what, we should read his posts carefully.
bmin11, if you're going to complain about metagaming, don't do it yourself.
Chris, newbie or lurker. Which one could it be?
0_o, try to remember that this is HNM. The others are osu!mafia or w/e. It would be funny if you said something in
the wrong thread. I don't really need/want that.
Quy, haven't said much yet. I hope you're not mafia like last time.
DxS, I hope you don't do that time thing again. You should know how I play by now, right?
@Rolled Don't call me a lurker I'm supposed to be reckless player.
Rolled, you seem to be pressuring players a bit by lightly accusing them of being mafia. Seems like a Cop sort of thing. Aux/Mafia
Ph0X, just survive until Day 2 please. I'll decide what to do with you then.
rust45, information without much accusation. Seems kind of townie.
Two, a bit annoying, but why vote for Ph0X? If Ph0X survives another day we might have a lead.
If hes mafia, then we just need to read his posts carefully. No matter what, we should read his posts carefully.
bmin11, if you're going to complain about metagaming, don't do it yourself.
Chris, newbie or lurker. Which one could it be?
0_o, try to remember that this is HNM. The others are osu!mafia or w/e. It would be funny if you said something in
the wrong thread. I don't really need/want that.
Quy, haven't said much yet. I hope you're not mafia like last time.
DxS, I hope you don't do that time thing again. You should know how I play by now, right?
@Rolled Don't call me a lurker
I'm supposed to be reckless player.lolwut? The only thing you mentioned was my first post calling it hasty judgment as I accused you of. As I mentioned RVS votes aren't meant to be taken seriously and reasoning for RVS votes should be treated the same.Rolled wrote:
Rust: hypocrite
random votes do mean something
you might think your vote is random, but even "random" is telling
you might think your vote is random, but even "random" is telling
DeathxShinigami - I'm definitely not new to this community, and have actually played WWG's with you before. Why are you bringing it up in this game?
I'm keeping my vote with DeathxShinigami for now as it seemed like a bad attempt to bandwagon me out of the game for not being "apart of the community", because I don't play osu! anymore.
I'm keeping my vote with DeathxShinigami for now as it seemed like a bad attempt to bandwagon me out of the game for not being "apart of the community", because I don't play osu! anymore.
Alright, at this point in time we are going nowhere and town has a 0% chance of getting a mafia lynch d1.
Instead of gathering your own biased opinions (myself included) that nobody is likely to agree on, I think the best play right now is to find the person you feel most likely to be pro-town and hop on the wagon. That said, the people currently voting are:
Chris (DxS)
DxS (Chris)
Two (Ph0x)
Rolled (rust)
animask (Rolled)
There's a 5 way tie for 1 vote, 4 are not voting.
I have reason to suspect everybody on that list except for Chris. If any of those 5 people turn out to be mafia, there's a very small chance that they're voting for fellow mafia, so I'm not going to wagon and get a townie lynched.
That said, unvote
Vote: DxS
Experimental logic. I think it's sound, though.
I'd also like to make note that DxS has posted in the other mafia game, and did not respond to Chris asking a legitimate question here.
Instead of gathering your own biased opinions (myself included) that nobody is likely to agree on, I think the best play right now is to find the person you feel most likely to be pro-town and hop on the wagon. That said, the people currently voting are:
Chris (DxS)
DxS (Chris)
Two (Ph0x)
Rolled (rust)
animask (Rolled)
There's a 5 way tie for 1 vote, 4 are not voting.
I have reason to suspect everybody on that list except for Chris. If any of those 5 people turn out to be mafia, there's a very small chance that they're voting for fellow mafia, so I'm not going to wagon and get a townie lynched.
That said, unvote
Vote: DxS
Experimental logic. I think it's sound, though.
I'd also like to make note that DxS has posted in the other mafia game, and did not respond to Chris asking a legitimate question here.
Huh, right Chris' statement.
Well you backed yourself well then. Just found it suspicious that it's been a year since that WWG game and you show up again into the world of osu! mafia so who knows...
Might as well
unvote
then
Well you backed yourself well then. Just found it suspicious that it's been a year since that WWG game and you show up again into the world of osu! mafia so who knows...
Might as well
unvote
then
Not always~Rolled wrote:
oh and Q is always mafia.
I may lurk most of the time or sometimes, but my activeness is really just random.
And there's this Timezone issue too.
Anyway, not sure who to vote yet.
It's one thing to be like "I was rolefishing", but to do a 180 with halfassed logic isn't cutting it for me. Especially right after you were voted for.
unvote, vote: deathxshinigami
unvote, vote: deathxshinigami
Up to you guys but...just a heads up
I'm not mafia~
I'm not mafia~
I don't honestly think DxS is mafia too actually.
gosh I don't either
who cares about why I don't think so? my post was substantive and surely makes up for my previous inactivity
who cares about why I don't think so? my post was substantive and surely makes up for my previous inactivity
Have a feeling it'll just be Rolled/Two/Chris vs. everyone else
Whee, can't be that hard to lynch people now isn't it?
Whee, can't be that hard to lynch people now isn't it?
I've explained every move I've made in this game. If you think that I'm mindless sheeping you should reread the thread.
Why not Rolled or Ph0X? Just wondering why since rust45 isn't holding much attention by the othersTwo wrote:
if I were mafia, I would night kill rust45
Where did I complain? animask, please don't refer my actions on the other game (plus, how the other game meta game'd was really getting no where but just biting eachother for personal feeling. Unnecessary)animask wrote:
bmin11, if you're going to complain about metagaming, don't do it yourself.
DxS wasn't holding a strong suspicion (heck, it looks more like a RVS), so I would understand if he turns hs suspicion around.
I still haven't made my thought yet and I will have to go through the thread someday >_>;;
Unvote since it's useless
P.S. What's a carpetbagger?
It's a political term, such as when someone tries to run for public office but lacks the community ties which often times is criticized for not having. So I used the term to refer to Chris who doesn't know this community very well.bmin11 wrote:
P.S. What's a carpetbagger?
Anyways carry on~
you wishDeathxShinigami wrote:
Have a feeling it'll just be Rolled/Two/Chris vs. everyone else
do you really think people are dumb enough to not notice you trying to paint us as a team? you've done it twice now, with what reason I wonder?
I'm pretty sure I'm the only member of town and everybody else is mafia.
Is that why this is experimental LS? Do I win for figuring it out?
Seriously town, stop looking so suspicious.
edit: To elaborate, stop defending people you have no reason to defend. People should be fully capable of defending themselves. The fact that everybody is defending people other than themselves is not a pro-town trait.
Is that why this is experimental LS? Do I win for figuring it out?
Seriously town, stop looking so suspicious.
edit: To elaborate, stop defending people you have no reason to defend. People should be fully capable of defending themselves. The fact that everybody is defending people other than themselves is not a pro-town trait.
There are some people who just "give up" or whatever when he/she got a lot of votes.
WIFOM, I think?
And most of the time, they really are town and ends up being lynched anyway.
I'm not really sure, but meh.
WIFOM, I think?
And most of the time, they really are town and ends up being lynched anyway.
I'm not really sure, but meh.
Also, about the Experimental thing, I don't think it's something as silly as that. Maybe it has something to do with the power roles.
oh okay that clears a lot up then
ph0x you better be fucking posting
Some people like to play differently. I'm a townie so everybody else isn't mafia. You should get to learn how people play beforeRolled wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm the only member of town and everybody else is mafia.
Is that why this is experimental LS? Do I win for figuring it out?
Seriously town, stop looking so suspicious.
edit: To elaborate, stop defending people you have no reason to defend. People should be fully capable of defending themselves. The fact that everybody is defending people other than themselves is not a pro-town trait.
you assume they are mafia or not. I have a good idea on what your play style is like, so now I know what to do to help you.
(I'm a newbie lulz) The reason I think you're sus(s) is because you are accusing almost everyone of being mafia.
That is actually a scum tell. You seem pressured for some reason and that is why I voted for you. Chillax and don't assume like crazy. But I agree with your last statement. Townies don't really need to defend others.
I'm also trying to say that some scum tells are not logical, but more towards gut feeling.
@DxS
I think you're on the right track by seeing how all those players are related (except for Chris who I have no idea about).
They seem to be the most offensive/annoying and use insufficient logic to back their thoughts. (Rolled might be an exception.)
@bmin11
Sorry, since you're in more than 1 mafia game I guess I got mixed up.
Semi-dangerous to say (yay~), but I'm going to save and organize all the posts for
both mafia games so I don't forget. Just knowing who is in each game isn't good enough.
Sorry, since you're in more than 1 mafia game I guess I got mixed up.
Semi-dangerous to say (yay~), but I'm going to save and organize all the posts for
both mafia games so I don't forget. Just knowing who is in each game isn't good enough.
animask wrote:
They seem to be the most offensive/annoying and use insufficient logic to back their thoughts.
You seem pressured for some reason and that is why I voted for you.
Oh, I know I'll be unvoting you~
well, it's good to know that animask and ph0x are mafia day 1
Okay; now that I have a bit of time, let's get things rolling. (Pun totally intended.)
I don't like players dragging the game down. I don't like players who just dick around, cause chaos, or play dumb when confronted. It really poisons game morale, and osu! mafia games don't exactly have the reputation of being highly motivated after the first day (for a number of reasons).
In a similar fashion, I don't like players throwing their hands up saying "I didn't get the role I wanted" or "I don't care about this game" and interrupting scumhunting, providing misleads, etc. That behaviour detriments the town's ability to effectively play the game, giving the mafia a leg up.
The comment, although emotional and directed, did relate to gameplay as you saw. It was more of a comment that I hope Chris doesn't play poorly in this game.
Rolled commented on rust's "hypocrisy". I completely disagree that it was hypocritical of rust to make that statement against Rolled. Rolled implied that he was "done" scumhunting (as in, he had completed his hunt and found his prey) so early and quickly into the game (based on just one comment by me). rust saw this as "hasty judgement" on Rolled's part. Contrast this to a RVS vote against Chris, with the comment "I don't know you, you seem pretty shady to me." Clearly, rust isn't making judgements against Chris (as it's obviously not an "I built a case against you; defend yourself" offense). Knowing Rolled, the "what?" could have been just pointing out something silly he noticed, but then again, based on his previous gameplay, I can guess the detail also may factor into Rolled's scumhunting.
Rolled's response to rust's defense is completely weak. "You gave reasoning for your vote, saying Chris was "shady."" Uh, no? I can see how you can put meaning behind rust's words (shady => gut feeling of scum), but that is just absurd. rust's vote against Chris was clearly RVS. Also, would you prefer a hesitant vote at RVS (scum tell, IMO) or a "hasty" one (null tell in RVS)?
Also, a note to Rolled: "x is scummy" does not mean "x is a scum tell", mostly because x has context which is lost when you reword it as a scum tell. For example, rust's statement "I think you're making hasty judgements, which is pretty scummy to me." could have been better worded (for the sake of this explanation) as "I find your hasty judgements against Ph0X scummy." From this, it's clear that you cannot directly translate those words into "hasty judgements are a scum tell". Of course, I am not saying it isn't (although I personally feel it's a newb tell, not a scum tell); I am just using this example to explain my point. (This paragraph is strictly about mafia, not this game.)
Either way, the comment by DxS following Rolled's initial accusation struck me as odd:
Wha.
Anyway, if you observe the last HNM, that plan didn't really work too tell day 1. Plus, I think we have much more information in this game than we did in that game; I brought up that method because there was basically no helpful discussion and we were in a time crunch.
(Also, no editing.)
Congratulations. You skipped over two possible obvious and not-strictly-mafia causes of my actions.Rolled wrote:
Ph0x: There are two situations where you would hope Chris isn't a dumbass.
Situation 1: He is your scum partner. This is less likely than situation 2, as you wouldn't associate yourself with fellow scum d1.
Situation 2: You know he is town, and you are attempting to associate yourself with another townie.
There's only two roles you can possess that let you know Chris is town d1. Both are scum.
I don't like players dragging the game down. I don't like players who just dick around, cause chaos, or play dumb when confronted. It really poisons game morale, and osu! mafia games don't exactly have the reputation of being highly motivated after the first day (for a number of reasons).
In a similar fashion, I don't like players throwing their hands up saying "I didn't get the role I wanted" or "I don't care about this game" and interrupting scumhunting, providing misleads, etc. That behaviour detriments the town's ability to effectively play the game, giving the mafia a leg up.
The comment, although emotional and directed, did relate to gameplay as you saw. It was more of a comment that I hope Chris doesn't play poorly in this game.
I would recommend not including that as a factor. (That goes for you too, animask.) Then again, if you really want to use meta like that, go ahead.Rolled wrote:
I won't FoS or anything though because I'm pretty sure you died d1 in the last mafia. That would be mean to do it twice
Rolled commented on rust's "hypocrisy". I completely disagree that it was hypocritical of rust to make that statement against Rolled. Rolled implied that he was "done" scumhunting (as in, he had completed his hunt and found his prey) so early and quickly into the game (based on just one comment by me). rust saw this as "hasty judgement" on Rolled's part. Contrast this to a RVS vote against Chris, with the comment "I don't know you, you seem pretty shady to me." Clearly, rust isn't making judgements against Chris (as it's obviously not an "I built a case against you; defend yourself" offense). Knowing Rolled, the "what?" could have been just pointing out something silly he noticed, but then again, based on his previous gameplay, I can guess the detail also may factor into Rolled's scumhunting.
Rolled's response to rust's defense is completely weak. "You gave reasoning for your vote, saying Chris was "shady."" Uh, no? I can see how you can put meaning behind rust's words (shady => gut feeling of scum), but that is just absurd. rust's vote against Chris was clearly RVS. Also, would you prefer a hesitant vote at RVS (scum tell, IMO) or a "hasty" one (null tell in RVS)?
Also, a note to Rolled: "x is scummy" does not mean "x is a scum tell", mostly because x has context which is lost when you reword it as a scum tell. For example, rust's statement "I think you're making hasty judgements, which is pretty scummy to me." could have been better worded (for the sake of this explanation) as "I find your hasty judgements against Ph0X scummy." From this, it's clear that you cannot directly translate those words into "hasty judgements are a scum tell". Of course, I am not saying it isn't (although I personally feel it's a newb tell, not a scum tell); I am just using this example to explain my point. (This paragraph is strictly about mafia, not this game.)
Either way, the comment by DxS following Rolled's initial accusation struck me as odd:
It really, really irks me when people sheep like this (when I realize full well Rolled's "what", if taken as "you're being hypocritical", is complete bullshit). It makes me concerned that the shepherd will have no problems herding other players. It also makes me concerned that the sheep (DxS) is unable to be analytical. I would understand DxS's comment if it was his first game, but it is not, and he is making a derogatory comment against another player due to their (seeming) inexperience. So, to me, we lost a player (for the moment; not for the entire game, of course).DeathxShinigami wrote:
We got problems, rust doesn't know how to play this game.
Discuss.
Ignoring the light-hearted(-ish?) sarcasm in Rolled's post here, I am trying to look for the source of the "scumtell" exactly. How is a statement which is WIFOMly sarcasm (note the ";P") and completely meta (in intent; I can obviously see the gameplay affects) a scum tell? Basically, Rolled is just scumpainting me here. Setting me up for a day 2 lynch, I presume. (Typical Rolled play style, right?)Rolled wrote:
Hi my name is phox. I accidentally scumtell'd a page ago but I'm just going to brush it off as sarcasm, and plant heavy sarcasm in every sequential post to make my OP's "sarcasm" seem more legitimate.
Freudian slip? Rolled could be saying he's vanilla here.Rolled wrote:
... I'm going to place my scum vote on people who have given me scum tells. Not really much else to go on.
After, what, even a year, Two still holds this opinion. Break out of your comfort zone; you joined an osu! mafia game, so you participate in the osu! mafia metagame. RVS is standard practice in many mafia circles, and is effective (for all sides). Of course, as I'm sure have been told several times before, RVS ends when real discussion starts. Real discussion has already started. Hey, look! A random vote (by rust against Chris) sparked discussion! RVS is a great kickstarter, but it's not a stand-alone solution. Just ... deal with it. =\ (After writing this, I saw your comment on RVS which I must have missed earlier. Sorry if I came across as calling you a close-minded idiot. I still feel that way deep inside, but I didn't want to communicate it that harshly.)Two wrote:
the "lets all vote for random people ^__^" sentiment is horrible if you actually are town, since it 100% guarantees town dies day 1
I said this because of the shepherding and faulty logic (intentional or not) I noticed earlier (but could not thoroughly comment on, until now). Plus, it would be really amusing if I had a bandwagon on me, especially due to the faulty claims against me. No, I am not shivering under pressure, or whatever you (Rolled, Two, and everyone else) may have thought.Ph0X wrote:
Also, I will find it highly amusing if you manage a bandwagon against me.
Too much bookworming, dude. (You're showing your lack of experience, in short.) Think of the ways a double-voter would be played (in Two's shoes or even your own); I think you'd gain a lot from it.rust45 wrote:
Two could be this. I mean it is Experimental so basically anything goes.
Again with this meta. Vote for me if you want. If I was mafia, I could sabotage the game for you townies, so your line of thinking turns meaningless.Rolled wrote:
ph0x, I'd rather not have you lynched d1 because you are one of the stronger minds, and with the most experience, in this game. That's the logistic side of me. If I went with my gut, I would vote for you.
But truth is, you getting lynched d1 as pro-town is a huge win for mafia. It's not worthwhile to take that chance on a gut feeling.
Sorry I haven't been active; I have been busy the two days. I already kinda explained the reasoning behind my attitude, and I am sure you can fill in the blanks.Rolled wrote:
But at the same time, I wish you'd be giving me more reason to think you're pro-town. You've yet to say anything in this thread constructive towards the game. All you've been doing is trying to evade pressure by shrugging everything off as sarcasm.
Yeah; your sarcasmdar is totally screwy. Go re-read animask's voting post.Rolled wrote:
[FoS] animask: You gave no reason for voting for me other than that you thought my logic was wrong. You didn't mention anything I did specifically that you thought was scummy.
I can see why you're discouraging DxS for his reasoning (and I completely agree), but I don't see why you're trying to get the vote off of Chris and "somewhere else". Why aren't you telling Chris to change his vote? In addition, DxS's reasoning is a "good cop-out" if DxS is a town (or of any alignment, really) who has nothing to go on, too. (Again with the scumpainting, yeah?)Rolled wrote:
DxS: Making personal votes doesn't benefit town. Chris is in the game whether you like it or not, so place your vote somewhere else unless there's a reason you're voting Chris that we don't know. It's a good cop-out if you're mafia, though.
Translation: if I was looking to lynch whoever is least active, I would lynch Chris.Two wrote:
ignoring all other factors, my ideal lynch as town is chris cause he isn't that active
Wha.
As I have stated, Rolled's general scumpainting and "extreme" scumhunting behaviour is part of his meta, in my opinion.animask wrote:
Rolled, you seem to be pressuring players a bit by lightly accusing them of being mafia. Seems like a Cop sort of thing. Aux/Mafia
Can you elaborate upon this? What information has rust provided, in your opinion?animask wrote:
rust45, information without much accusation. Seems kind of townie.
Don't tunnel me as superhelpfultownieperson so much...animask wrote:
Two, a bit annoying, but why vote for Ph0X? If Ph0X survives another day we might have a lead.
These two are not mutually exclusive. Also, "knowing" the latter wouldn't mean anything, because lurking is a behaviour, and not strictly a player or role trait or tell. (It is a tell circumstantially, but in 99% of scenarios that isn't important now.)animask wrote:
Chris, newbie or lurker. Which one could it be?
Typo? Did you mean "most likely to be pro-mafia"?Rolled wrote:
Alright, at this point in time we are going nowhere and town has a 0% chance of getting a mafia lynch d1.
Instead of gathering your own biased opinions (myself included) that nobody is likely to agree on, I think the best play right now is to find the person you feel most likely to be pro-town and hop on the wagon.
Anyway, if you observe the last HNM, that plan didn't really work too tell day 1. Plus, I think we have much more information in this game than we did in that game; I brought up that method because there was basically no helpful discussion and we were in a time crunch.
Take away the random and not-serious votes and you have Two voting against me, Rolled voting against rust, and (I guess; reasoning is super-weak even if I believed Chris; more OMGUS than anything) Chris voting against DxS.Rolled wrote:
That said, the people currently voting are:
Chris (DxS)
DxS (Chris)
Two (Ph0x)
Rolled (rust)
animask (Rolled)
There's a 5 way tie for 1 vote, 4 are not voting.
Then contribute and stop being such a faggot? Mafia is a game where you need to be involved and participate. Clues don't just come to you; you have to go out and seek them. One way to do this is to re-read posts. Another is to look at social and voting graphs. Just do something besides waiting for a bandwagon. I have a feeling you're scum at this point, if not a harmful townie.Quaraezha wrote:
Anyway, not sure who to vote yet.
What, so admitting you (DxS) were wrong and your logic was flawed is scum behaviour now?Two wrote:
It's one thing to be like "I was rolefishing", but to do a 180 with halfassed logic isn't cutting it for me. Especially right after you were voted for.
unvote, vote: deathxshinigami
Well, if you want to think that way, yes. It would definitely be that way if this was a WWG. But this is mafia, which is a very different game, so I don't think such harm like you suggest will happen.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Have a feeling it'll just be Rolled/Two/Chris vs. everyone else
I think Two just hates everyone who disrupts the SNR negatively.bmin11 wrote:
Why not Rolled or Ph0X? Just wondering why since rust45 isn't holding much attention by the othersTwo wrote:
if I were mafia, I would night kill rust45
Yeah, well, you guys naturally gravitate toward each other. You and Rolled have similar play styles. And, of course, there's meta history. Do you really think people are dumb enough (given the meta information) not to make (at some point) the association DxS made?Two wrote:
you wishDeathxShinigami wrote:
Have a feeling it'll just be Rolled/Two/Chris vs. everyone else
do you really think people are dumb enough to not notice you trying to paint us as a team? you've done it twice now, with what reason I wonder?
In my experience, that's not true.Rolled wrote:
edit: To elaborate, stop defending people you have no reason to defend. People should be fully capable of defending themselves. The fact that everybody is defending people other than themselves is not a pro-town trait.
(Also, no editing.)
lololol. I am. ;PRolled wrote:
ph0x you better be fucking posting
Good point! (Bravo!) I didn't see that myself; I was looking at it more from the "hopeless townie" angle.animask wrote:
The reason I think you're sus(s) is because you are accusing almost everyone of being mafia.
That is actually a scum tell. You seem pressured for some reason and that is why I voted for you.
I wonder if this post disproves your stupidly retarded theory. I didn't expect myself to post a wall of over 1500 words, but shit happens. I love mafia. ;PTwo wrote:
well, it's good to know that animask and ph0x are mafia day 1