T-Mac wrote:

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cs5

滑条静音

00:22:104 - 这种地方50%音量明显不够

01:24:477 (1,2) - 换成1/4串或者滑条，不要这种

01:52:274 (1,2,3,4,5) - 这地方有点难读，01:52:274 (1,2) - 01:52:528 (3,4) - 这两个拉开点会好一点

02:21:426 (1,1) - 这两个滑条有碰到一起的地方，看上去感觉有点恶心

03:19:054 (1,2) - 换成1/2单点

03:26:089 (3) - 这里可以换成1/3单点或者1/3折返滑条

03:27:330 (1) - 这地方挺建议1/6折返滑条的不过145的1/6好像也还可以

03:30:123 - 感觉还是填上好，03:29:813 (5) - 这个可能要改一改，试试看2个圈1个滑条

03:36:020 - 换成圈，前后放成两个滑条

04:03:911 (1) - 感觉这个转盘你可以拼命往里面塞1/4折返滑条，04:06:453 (1,1) - 这里也是

05:10:185 (1) - 换成转盘，05:15:009 - 这里改成圈

最后那段kiai，串的音量还是太小

09kami wrote:

回复了半个小时发表失败404.... 算了 虽然你摸了非常非常非常非常长的一篇摸 但基本都是主观的论文摸 我只有一个地方是大概同意改的 但那个地方我还需要考证下 很多地方我不知道你让我修改 但有没有验证过 许多让我改的地方都在我以前的作图经历里遇到过的 但修改后会让这张图变得非常非常糟糕 首先是连打后接的滑条段 就算NC是重新起音 你考虑过那个地方拉远后玩家打的感受吗 我自己打时会问这他妈是什么玩意 还有关于对称 对称不要仅仅纠结于点对称和轴对称这两个最最基本的对称上 任何同一个滑条复制粘贴 然后旋转得到的滑条 同前面的滑条都是对称的 只不过对称的方向不同 正是因为千篇一律的对称 才让现在的RANK图出现了千篇一律的轴点对称 三角跳 很多PP麻婆就是这样 考虑怎么最简单与顺手去满足玩家的手感 然后12天一张屎图就出狱了 但你也不能去反驳那张图 因为都符合RANK规则 而在这些麻婆里走出PP圈建立自己的风格的人少之又少 相反的 像HW这种走猎奇方向的反而能激起更多人的兴趣 虽然这条路很难走下去 你是愿意12天RANK一张2年都没有20Wplay次数的垃圾图 还是愿意12个月RANK一张12天就超过20Wplay的神图

23konG wrote:

09kami wrote:

回复了半个小时发表失败404.... 算了 虽然你摸了非常非常非常非常长的一篇摸 但基本都是主观的论文摸 我只有一个地方是大概同意改的 但那个地方我还需要考证下 很多地方我不知道你让我修改 但有没有验证过 许多让我改的地方都在我以前的作图经历里遇到过的 但修改后会让这张图变得非常非常糟糕 首先是连打后接的滑条段 就算NC是重新起音 你考虑过那个地方拉远后玩家打的感受吗 我自己打时会问这他妈是什么玩意 还有关于对称 对称不要仅仅纠结于点对称和轴对称这两个最最基本的对称上 任何同一个滑条复制粘贴 然后旋转得到的滑条 同前面的滑条都是对称的 只不过对称的方向不同 正是因为千篇一律的对称 才让现在的RANK图出现了千篇一律的轴点对称 三角跳 很多PP麻婆就是这样 考虑怎么最简单与顺手去满足玩家的手感 然后12天一张屎图就出狱了 但你也不能去反驳那张图 因为都符合RANK规则 而在这些麻婆里走出PP圈建立自己的风格的人少之又少 相反的 像HW这种走猎奇方向的反而能激起更多人的兴趣 虽然这条路很难走下去 你是愿意12天RANK一张2年都没有20Wplay次数的垃圾图 还是愿意12个月RANK一张12天就超过20Wplay的神图

额，摸图这个东西不就是互相提意见吗，至于接不接受感觉也没什么啊...
关于滑条拉远的问题，我只能说这张图我真的打了，也是真的觉得那个地方很奇怪，所以就提出来了，至于你接不接受我是管不了的。
关于对称的问题，我只是指出了几个点而已，大部分的地方还是很好的啊，摸长的原因是因为这张图本身非常长啊...还有对称不一定是垃圾梗，请不要有偏见的对待。虽然很多千篇一律的pp都会滥用这些梗但是不代表就要一棍子打死，就要划清界限...具体请参考fanzhen0019的对称。
另外走猎奇路线也不代表细节方面就能够忽略，HW的图我也很喜欢，我一共19个fav就有两张HW的图，但是她每一个细节都可以说是完美无缺。就拿源流怀古来说，开了EZ或者AR改低之后可以看出来不论是串的流畅性，还是美观性，还是flow blanket这些最基本的东西都无可挑剔。有些东西不是一个猎奇，神图就能一笔带过的。在满足足够的创新性和可玩性的同时，最基本的美观也要考虑，这样才是神图。
摸个图而已这么冲干嘛...

Painketsu wrote:

Hi! m4m

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1. 00:13:121 (2,3) - maybe space this out a bit? Feels too close when playing it mabey no?
   
2. 00:18:037 (5) - I think if you remove NC here and put it in 00:18:884 (1) - it helps reading greatly fixed√
3. 00:43:799 (8) - Mute slider end? fixed√
4. 00:53:291 (1) - ^ fixed√
5. 00:56:003 (1) - This is the first spaced stream so maybe reduce the gap a bit? To prepare the player for fixed√
   future ones
6. 01:01:257 (2) - ctrl+g? no
7. 01:01:681 (4,5,6,7,8) - I feel like this would look and play better if it curved upwards fixed√
   
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8. 01:02:443 (2,3) - Consider this shape, I think it fits better no
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9. 01:02:782 (1,5,1) - hitsound these with a drum? fixed√
10. 01:04:138 (1,3,7,1) - ^ fixed√
11. 01:17:189 (8,1,2) - Maybe consider ctrl+G on these, it would be much more fun to play imo
    
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12. 01:20:918 (6) - move this upwards a bit? no
13. 01:21:596 (6) - ctrl+G? fixed√
14. 01:22:613 (8,1,2) - again, ctrl+G in each one of these is more fun to play and flows better no
    
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15. 01:24:477 (1) - ctrl+G no
16. 01:25:155 (2) - ^ flow better no
17. 01:51:087 (2) - move this to the left? plays a bit better fixed√
18. 01:58:376 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - maybe make the curve wider for visual purposes no
    
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19. 02:00:240 (3) - This is not wrong but feel a bit awkward to suddenly stop there and jump into a stream fixed√
20. 02:16:003 (1,1) - Mute slider ends? no
21. 02:06:511 (1) - This part is amazing lol
22. 03:06:951 - skipped a beat? no
23. 03:35:606 (1) - the slider end has a hitfinish that doesn't really fit on the last bounce fixed√
24. 03:52:987 (1) - maybe mute slider end? no
25. 04:03:742 (1) - ^ no
26. 04:56:369 (2,3,4) - fix the spacing inconsistency? for the visuals no

Really nice map, good luck!

Lily Bread wrote:

M4M

01:57:698 (8) - 这附近可能还是1/4塞满比较好，因为这个滑条头也没跟到人声 fixed√

02:49:986 (3,4) - 这叠得有点难看 还行

03:05:813 (1,2,3,4) - 这里是有音可以跟的呀，而且跟的话感觉很好，为什么不跟呢 这里感觉不用和前面区别那么大好 为了保持这个地方的一致性
03:57:123 (1) - 这以后跟上面一个一样..跟了也挺合适的呀 保留意见

03:23:399 (3) - 这附近感觉不太对 这一段我感觉暂时不用改 因为后面那段切1/6是因为吉他声明显变了 但前面这里基本是一个调的
http://puu.sh/pdLqb/084a803c97.jpg

不行..这附近有点复杂，我听不全，只说我听得到的吧

03:25:675 (1) - 这附近的电吉他是这样的 这里是故意错开一点的 因为后面那个电吉他音有1/16的误差 考虑到玩家不会感受到细微的变化就直接用折返滑条带过去了
http://puu.sh/pdLEd/a04f462025.jpg

这曲子我听着有点头疼，所以摸不出太多东西
不过这曲子的节奏真的很复杂呢，建议多找几个人看看中间那段
(这么复杂的节奏让我map的话估计我就去跟鼓点了hhh)

KaedekaShizuru wrote:

M4M
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慎用多次折返 我是不反对用kickslider啦 不过你这用的是不是有点太多了啊（原谅我不知道别的龙之力如何
00:19:393 (1) - 比如这个就不能算kickslider 一次折返就够了 然后把00:20:410 - 这里放一个circle在00:20:748 (2) 这个地方我还保持看法
00:30:240 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 这串音效略吵了一点 我觉得应该有更合适的音效才对或者你可以选择降低一些音量 ；另外这里是贝斯的持续升调 音量可以逐步放大 fixed√
01:02:104 (1) - 换连打吧 fixed√
01:38:206 (2) - 用一串连打把flow带开 不要都挤在边线附近 这里改了下位置
01:42:104 (1) - 不塞爆？ 不
01:49:901 (5) - 很多这种的二次折返我觉得很难受 01:50:918 (1,2) 这样的不是挺好 这种是为了给连打多带点变化 顺便提供一个简单的休息时间 所以不打算改
02:49:986 (3,4) - 这里压的音不对吧 这个地方的音为什么不对？
02:54:227 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 不觉得太单调了吗 稍微用一点跳做过度 这个地方是我故意这么放的 为了保持一致性
03:17:399 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - 太简单了 明明音乐有更复杂的节奏 而且你后面直接接长连打了 瞬间启动太暴力 应该有一个平缓的节奏加速 不觉得啊 而且这里的连打是145的连打 所以直接启动没问题啊 那么慢
03:27:330 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 不建议原地连打 这里不打算动 因为这里的连打是1/6段 而且是两段后面接的1/8折返滑条 这里改了后 后面1/4连打段或许会被误读
03:35:606 (1) - 拆 不
03:47:192 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 同02:54:227 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4)
03:53:813 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ↑ 而且从03:57:123 (1) 开始明显出1/4了 理由同上
04:14:589 (1) - 我觉得从这里开始是另一串节奏 从这里把这串连打拆开 这段连打太长了 所以我才没拆 这里用间距把节奏区分出来了 所以打的时候还是能感觉很明显的
04:25:436 (1) - ↑ 同上
05:04:756 (1) - 滑条尾的音效有点违和 fixed√
05:06:879 (1) - ↑ fixed√
05:08:005 (1,1) - 这次是滑条头 这里我倒是感觉没问题
05:15:281 (1) - 也许一个circle就好了 滑条就行

不是很懂你们屌之力（

Hakurei Yoru wrote:

09已经开始从hw身上遗传drama属性了
不过还是23konG比较机智

JJburstOwO wrote:

还债还债...

00:22:104 (1,2) - 建议这个和00:23:460 (1) - 一样用1/2滑条，这段节奏稍微不那么随机 fixed√
00:26:342 (2) - Ctrl+G，稍微摆开点，因为00:26:850 (1,2) - 也是同向的 fixed√
00:28:460 (7,8) - 这里的节奏应该是8在前7在后吧，00:28:460 - 和00:28:715 - 应该clickable，这样好点http://puu.sh/pjPeE/f4b46fe66e.png fixed√
00:32:274 (9) - NC fixed√
00:49:732 (1,3) - swap NC fixed√
00:51:257 (9) - NC fixed√
00:53:291 (1) - 其实我觉得这里大减速0.5x可能好点，你试试看？ fixed√
00:58:037 (8,9) - http://puu.sh/pjPCc/7c58ac8ca0.png fixed√
↑↑ 按照我的理解，你在连打中都刻意去压vocal制造变化，所以我就挑一下没压到人声的地方吧
01:37:359 (9) - NC
01:39:054 (3) - 摆下面一点，(512,364)，这样1234间距递增均匀一点 fixed√ 不过512出界了 放近了点
01:42:104 (1) - 这个不是很好看，而且01:42:443 - 有vocal，建议缩短到这就行了 fixed√
01:46:850 (5) - NC fixed√
01:47:189 (9) - NC fixed√
01:57:359 (5,6) - 这个也用短滑条吧，压人声http://puu.sh/pjQ7h/c0ae408be1.png 这里我的理解是把01:57:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 三个分为一段
02:03:460 (3) - NC，因为前面你都NC了 fixed√
02:16:003 (1,1) - 折返 fixed√
02:21:426 (1) - ...... 下面对齐得很好上面怎么歪了 打死你 就不对齐
02:24:477 (1) - ...... 你谋杀强迫症
02:40:410 - break长度不对，又改AR了吧 fixed√
02:47:606 (1) - 爽啊，你前面怎么不对齐
03:10:779 - 03:12:848 - 这一节听起来是个三角形啊，把03:10:779 (1,2,3,4) - 这坨复制粘贴重复三次就好了，现在节奏和排列都乱掉了 fixed√
03:22:779 (1) - 03:23:606 (1) - 取消NC，这里节奏不是很快 fixed√
03:24:641 (4) - snap到1/4 这里我暂时保留看法
03:32:917 (2) - 拆成两个折返 这里感觉不用改 可以分为2组 区别于后面的折返
03:45:330 (6) - 实在不懂了。。这段你得找高手check一下.... 可以
04:03:742 (1) - 有个音好像在滑条和转盘之间啊，这里的红线是对的吗? 应该没问题
04:18:657 (5) - NC fixed√
04:19:674 (5) - NC fixed√
04:29:080 (3) - 往左边摆远点，这样04:29:335 (4,1) - 不容易读错 fixed√
04:52:216 (7) - NC fixed√
04:55:267 (5,1) - swap NC fixed√
04:55:945 (5,1) - swap NC fixed√

美丽，伸手 (￣ u￣)┍

X Light wrote:

00:42:443 (1,2,3) - 可以弄成往右上去15°的移动连打 这里按你的说法试下了感觉不是很好啊 或者我理解错了？
00:46:511 (1,2) - 不如直接3/2的长滑条 因为这个折返跟vocal的效果不是很好 这里很好啊 我个人感觉 这个地方跟人声效果很棒
00:48:715 (2,3) - 这里也是同样的道理 这么燃的一段鼓 要我就摆成直线连打或者原地连打 这里之前我是跟的节奏放了组大间距连打 但后来考虑到之后的连打段太长了 又想区分这里 于是索性改成了起跑式折返滑条
01:21:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这里6的音效应该是drum+clap 另外这里slider不如直接连打啊我觉得 节奏和排列可以变化下 这个地方我不打算改 如果你用原始皮肤的音效就知道为啥了
01:47:528 (1,2,3,4) - 这里不用之前00:53:291 - 那个节奏吗 不用 感觉不用统一 多点节奏变化也好
01:53:376 (6) - normal 这里我看了下 应该是117故意把这里的音效改成三连的
01:56:342 (8) - 这里这个停顿有点突兀而且不知道有什么理由...直接两个1/4也可以啊 统一了下
02:08:206 (1) - 这里军鼓是从02:08:037 (3) - 开始的 可以在那里nc 然后前三个note也可以放原地 这段是人声起头的 同样 后面也是人声转折
03:06:951 - 这里不加个note吗 放在4的头上 我注意到这里了 之前这个地方是有个Note的 但后来为了这一段的一致性我选择忽略了这个音 加了后反而打着怪怪的
03:19:675 - 这里加个note 摆成这种感觉还不错http://puu.sh/pnyw0/3e7519e301.jpg no
03:24:848 (5,6) - 我听着这里是1/4 然后03:25:261 (1,2,3) - 这里吉他是1/6 03:25:261 (1,2,3) - 这个地方的确是1/6 但这一段我想试试能不能糊过去...因为这个1/4和1/6如果再切就太频繁了 反而不好打
03:27:330 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 这里我建议开低DS摆而不是原地摆...大概这样http://puu.sh/pnyFM/e1c485ad1f.jpg 保留看法

03:52:987 (1,2) - 这里我的第一想法是保持滑条长度降DS 不过随便吧
然后音效说实话没有一点一点细听但是下得还是很用心的 另外我觉得现在勇于探索的不多 但是美观这个也可以注意下 像crn后期那样
good luck
P.S. 本来说是M4M但是我那张图现在实在是不想补低难度...这次就算了

sahuang wrote:

00:03:121 (1,2,3) - 等间距 △是能量守恒的定律
00:10:918 (2) - 一点也不好看。。 这里是因为有个扩张感 可能因为后面那个滑条位置下得不太好 不过暂时不打算改
00:12:613 (1) - 可以拉好看一点 no
00:24:138 (7) - 00:28:206 (6) - NC fixed√
00:42:443 (1,2,3) - 可以不用stack，和00:42:782 (1,2,3) - 一样 http://puu.sh/pqYRw/25d8510211.jpg no
00:57:020 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 不好看 感觉还好吧
01:02:443 (5) - 前面NC这边不NC？ fixed√
01:21:426 (5,1) - 打图的时候很容易读错。。 fixed√
01:44:732 (8,1) - 距离太大了，为什么不和01:44:816 (1,2) - 一样呢 想表达人声
01:46:087 (8,1,2) - 一样
01:53:969 (1) - 这边不需要NC吧 人声改变连打间距 这里连打的间距变了 所以NC
01:58:291 (4,1) - 还是太大了吧（不过我看好像后面全部是这种突然大间距，所以估计也改不了，就这样吧 这里不改
这一块NC略乱，有些地方4个，有些8个，有些干脆12个一串不NC 我是尽量根据人声下的NC 连打段也尽量根据NC改变间距

02:16:003 (1,1) - 要么全折返要么都1/4 fixed√
03:07:882 (3,4,1) - 这种flow好难 这个应该没问题吧 80多BPM的单点
03:32:296 (1,2,1) - 间距不对吧 没问题啊
03:33:537 (4,1) - 不如blanket NO
04:11:199 (5,7) - 04:12:555 (9) - NC？ nc了第一个5
怎么后面又变成4个1nc了。。
04:29:504 (1) - 好难看。。
04:35:606 (1,2) - 换位？ 这个是故意留的梗
04:57:640 (9) - NC
05:10:185 (1,1) - 位置关系有点神奇
最后一段kiai好棒

sodarose wrote:

M4M

[Legend]
00:01:426 (4,2) - 没Blanket好 fixed√
00:03:121 (1,2,3) - 很明显是歪的 fixed√
00:17:189 (2,3) - 太挤了，你后面又放得开00:17:359 (3,4) - 。00:17:189 (2) - 建议往中间放一点 这里不挤啊 我是故意放近的
00:18:545 (6,1,2) - 不建议这样叠，节奏上又没有明显的区别，感觉只能读缩圈，难以分辨 no
00:24:138 (1,2) - 这个间距最好和 00:22:104 (1,2) - 统一 NO 因为前面是因为长滑条 后面是节奏密集的短滑条
00:24:393 (3,4,5,1) - ^
00:53:206 (2,1) - bad flow 还好吧
00:58:545 (1,2) - 个人不是很喜欢这种，放开的好 感觉还好 这里不打算改
01:38:206 (2) - 感觉有点不合适 还好吧
01:47:528 (1,2) - 掉个位置跟顺手 这里就是为了做个逆向flow 所以才这么摆的
02:16:003 (1,1) - 用单点更好。现在的折返是表达什么？ 煤油煤油 这里的音是有点拉长的
03:24:227 (2,3,4,6) -03:25:261 (1,2,3,4,1) - 这里整段都是1/6 look pishifat mod for thsi
03:32:917 (2,3,4) - NC NO
03:35:606 (1) - 好像有点偷懒。现在这么用的很少了 我个人还挺喜欢多次折返的...
03:39:330 (1,2) - 拉近一点平行。现在好像是随手一摆的样子 fixed√
04:29:504 (1) - 调均匀一点好看吧 fixed√
05:10:185 (1) - 头尾都Finish fixed√
05:15:281 (1) - Finish fixed√

就这么多。毕竟我打不动这图 orz

Sonnyc wrote:

00:41:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - Hitsound feels too weak. fixed√
01:07:867 (2) - The curve rate of this slider is too high compared to other ones. fixed√
01:38:206 (2,1,2) - (2,1) feels too close than (1,2). fixed√
02:21:426 (1) - Consider this kind of shape for a better blanket? http://puu.sh/pCJba/cb85aa3176.jpg fixed√
03:32:917 (2) - I'd like you to devide the rhythm, and add a new slider starting at 03:33:123. That symbol sound is not getting discerned in your mapping. fixed√
04:19:674 (1) - Reducing 1/4 will fit the music better than an extended slider. fixed√
04:29:504 (1) - Mind improving the quality of this S curve? fixed√
04:56:623 (1) - This transition of spacing didn't felt cool imo. changes slider
05:08:997 (1) - I don't think this will need a new combo since it is pretty much related with 05:08:005 (1). fixed√....but here new redline .

Good map with good patterns.

Sonnyc wrote:

00:41:765 (1,2,3) - These sliders aren't still not enough in hitsounds imo. 00:41:765 (1) - add finish and whistle 00:42:104 (2) - changes finish
03:32:710 (1,2) - Consider starting the NC from (2) since (1) belongs in the 1/4, and (2) is in the 1/6. fixed√

Sonnyc wrote:

Nominated.

Chaoslitz wrote:

M4M (Sorry for delay)

1. 00:53:291 (1) - 這個應該不是跟vocal吧, 不跟vocal的話滑條在藍線完就好 请注意红线是有音的 这里的吉他音是个甩过的音 刚好是滑到红线消失
2. 00:55:918 (4,1) - 沒必要分開吧? 首先这里是根据人声转换的间距 其次 这里缩短了后面连打的间距 我感觉拆开一能提高可玩性 二是分开后也比较美观 在这个难度里 这种地方player还是可以接受的吧
3. 00:57:528 (3) - 這1/4是在跟什麼... 这里要结合00:57:359 (1,2,3) - 来看 我把这里的人声看为一个整体 12是个人声的区域 但3的滑条部分人声刚好消失了 为了区分这个地方并且更好的链接后面的部分 所以用了滑条 而为什么00:57:189 (3,4) - 这个地方我没有用滑条 是因为这里也是有人声的 刚好是个ne音 只不过有点难听出来 细看会发现 这一段00:57:020 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 00:57:698 (4,5,6,7) - 都是连打在人声部分 而00:58:037 (8,9,1) - 所用了滑条是因为在后面即将变换的排列 给玩家一个休息段
4. 00:58:545 (1) - 這個應該跟00:58:291 (9) - 一樣用1/4吧 这里我感觉变换节奏用单点更好的能衬托后面的串
5. 01:52:189 (8,1) - 不要完全疊上, 很難讀圖 这里我感觉没大碍吧 我自己可以直读 但如果一定要改 我会把他弄一点偏差
6. 01:56:342 (8) - 這個sampleset normal搬去01:55:748 (2) - 这里搬上去不是更难读了吗...
7. 01:58:291 (4,1) - Same as 00:55:918 (4,1) 这个地方 打上去感觉很舒适 并没有卡手感 所以不打算改
8. 02:02:020 (12,1,2,3,4,1) - ^ ^
9. 02:21:426 (1,1) - 距離也太遠 实际还好啦 这里的滑条是减速过的 所以比较好接上
10. 02:44:296 (4) - 好醜..左邊那個圈弄高點 感觉还行
11. 02:47:606 (1) - blanket ?
12. 03:24:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 這裡的snap也太奇怪了吧..? 这里我和pis研究时觉得 没有问题 因为这里的节奏比较多变 结合电吉他的变化 已经选择了最好的节奏

抱歉, 真的不是很想點這張圖, 感覺距離rank還有一段距離....kd也不給也沒關係的..
下次有圖再找我...

1. 00:22:782 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I get what you tryed to do here, but being honest the stream looks awful, the problem is 00:23:037 (4,5,6,7) - just use a single curve instead of a S shape
2. 00:22:359 (2,3,4,5) - basically the same visual problem as above
3. 00:24:308 (2,3) - 00:24:562 (4,5) - I guess stacks would play and represent the music better. same: 00:29:732 (2,3,4,5) -
4. 00:28:884 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - follow the guitar instead? that's more intuitive
5. 00:41:596 (7) -the stacking leniency make this not align properly with the rest of the pattern 00:41:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , check this in game or in the editor with stacking on
6. 00:42:443 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I don't see the reason of spamming combos like this, you can easily remove 00:42:782 (1) -
7. 00:45:155 (1,2,1,2,3) - this is a whole part in the music, that's why you don't need the NC at 00:45:494 (1) -
8. 00:52:952 (1) - basically the same, I'd remove this unnecessary NC as well
9. 00:55:918 (4,1) - I don't think this is the right way of introducing this kind of stream jumps, since the rest of the stream is overlaped.
10. 00:58:545 (1,2) - swap NC, 2 is actually the start of the new stanza in the music.
11. 01:06:511 (3,4,1) - the music is getting stronger, the jump from 4 to 1 should be a bit bigger.
12. 01:12:274 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - can youn redo this stream? it looks bad IMO, you can make those curves alot better.
13. 01:26:342 (4,1) - why the spacing is so short here? 1 is a really strong beat, you should increase the spacing alot, tbh it doesn't make much sense that things like 01:26:003 (2,3) - have higher spacing than 01:26:342 (4,1) -
14. 01:48:037 (4) - can you reduce the volume at this slider tick? sounds bad atm.
15. 01:52:952 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - there are some parts like this where i can hear some triplets, but not a full stream o.o
16. 02:04:138 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - the stream curve can be alot better than this.
17. 02:10:579 (1) - I don't know if is just me, but I found the slider shape a bit random, you can do a better one, this one 02:13:291 (1) - is great tho!
18. 02:21:426 (1,1) - overlap is ugly, and its easy to avoid it.
19. 02:44:296 (4) - again i think this slider shapes need more work
20. 03:23:606 (5,6,7,8) - I can't hear the 1/4s there, use a 1/2 slider instead?
21. 03:24:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - can you recheck the snap with more people? its so weird
22. 04:06:453 (1,1) - if you're trying to blanket this, then you can make it better!
23. 04:37:640 (1) - can you make this symmetryc in the centre of the grid?

Natsu wrote:

Legend

1. 00:22:782 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I get what you tryed to do here, but being honest the stream looks awful, the problem is 00:23:037 (4,5,6,7) - just use a single curve instead of a S shape fixed√ 00:22:782 (6,7,8) - changes slider.just use a single curve
2. 00:22:359 (2,3,4,5) - basically the same visual problem as above ↑
3. 00:24:308 (2,3) - 00:24:562 (4,5) - I guess stacks would play and represent the music better. same: 00:29:732 (2,3,4,5) - fixed√
4. 00:28:884 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - follow the guitar instead? that's more intuitive [color=#FFF0000]fixed√ [/color]
5. 00:41:596 (7) -the stacking leniency make this not align properly with the rest of the pattern 00:41:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , check this in game or in the editor with stacking on [color=#FFF0000]fixed√ changes 00:41:087 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - distance snap to 0.9 0.7 0.5[/color]
6. 00:42:443 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I don't see the reason of spamming combos like this, you can easily remove 00:42:782 (1) - fixed√
7. 00:45:155 (1,2,1,2,3) - this is a whole part in the music, that's why you don't need the NC at 00:45:494 (1) - fixed√ this nc. I think the 00:45:664 (2) - speed change .so I deleted 00:45:494 - NC. change 00:45:664 (1) -
8. 00:52:952 (1) - basically the same, I'd remove this unnecessary NC as well [color=#FFF0000]fixed√ [/color]
9. 00:55:918 (4,1) - I don't think this is the right way of introducing this kind of stream jumps, since the rest of the stream is overlaped. fixed√ well I change to slider
10. 00:58:545 (1,2) - swap NC, 2 is actually the start of the new stanza in the music. fixed√
11. 01:06:511 (3,4,1) - the music is getting stronger, the jump from 4 to 1 should be a bit bigger. fixed√
12. 01:12:274 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - can youn redo this stream? it looks bad IMO, you can make those curves alot better. fixed√ Optimization curve
13. 01:26:342 (4,1) - why the spacing is so short here? 1 is a really strong beat, you should increase the spacing alot, tbh it doesn't make much sense that things like 01:26:003 (2,3) - have higher spacing than 01:26:342 (4,1) - fixed√
14. 01:48:037 (4) - can you reduce the volume at this slider tick? sounds bad atm. fixed√
15. 01:52:952 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - there are some parts like this where i can hear some triplets, but not a full stream o.o fixed√ delete 01:53:884 - and 01:54:223 -
16. 02:04:138 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - the stream curve can be alot better than this. fixed√
17. 02:10:579 (1) - I don't know if is just me, but I found the slider shape a bit random, you can do a better one, this one 02:13:291 (1) - is great tho!fixed？02:10:579 (1) - I've adjusted the red dot.
18. 02:21:426 (1,1) - overlap is ugly, and its easy to avoid it. fixed√ http://puu.sh/qyGjk/d01ad34d6d.png
19. 02:44:296 (4) - again i think this slider shapes need more work fixed√ http://puu.sh/qyGv5/6ea730e880.jpg
20. 03:23:606 (5,6,7,8) - I can't hear the 1/4s there, use a 1/2 slider instead? fixed√
21. 03:24:020 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - can you recheck the snap with more people? its so weird hummm...I know that it's weird.so I talked to a lot of people about this place. I think we can use 1/4 to replace it. fixed√
22. 04:06:453 (1,1) - if you're trying to blanket this, then you can make it better! I feel like it's all right now.
23. 04:37:640 (1) - can you make this symmetryc in the centre of the grid? fixed√

I don't feel comfortable with nominating this map at the moment, I need to see your reply first, anyways you can call sonnyc back for rebubble.

Thank you very much . I do it now

Hullahopp wrote:

rip update
*No kudos post*
I've been playing this map for a long time, the last update kinda killed the flow.. really..
Things I've noticed while playing
00:42:782 (1,2) - Should be a triple fixed√
01:53:884 - 01:54:223 - Why? I understand it's hard to hear the drum in the bg, but this triple there feelf horrible. I suggest continuing the stream fixed√
02:44:296 (4) - I think you should smooth this slider out a little bit fixed√
03:32:917 (1,2,3,4) - I had to look in the editor, and listen to the song a couple times to understand where the sliders end and when they start. Pretty confusing, this one fixed√ changes 1/4 slider
03:46:779 (4,5,6,7) - Could you hitclap these? hummm...no?
04:22:725 (1,2) - This jump felt odd. Perhaps reverse (2)? Adjust position

That's all
I hope there's not gonna be many updates to this. This last one made the map from butter smooth to.. eh.. but it's still awesome, and fun to play. Keep it up!

1. 02:24:477 (1) - isn't this supposed to end at 02:29:562 -
2. 00:42:443 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - NCs still looks weird to me, how about group them all 00:42:443 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - in a single combo and then add a NC at 00:43:291 (2) - I think that fit better the music and keep the comboing less spammy
3. 03:26:089 (3) - shouldn't this be 1/4? i think 1/4 is closer than 1/3
4. 03:26:503 (1,2,3) - use a 1/3 repear slider instead? I think its a bit troll to throw this random 1/3 circles, since all the maop is 1/4, so in my opnion a 1/3 repeat slider is more friendly to the player, same here 03:38:710 (1,2,3) -
5. 04:22:894 (1) - I don't see any reason for the NC here

Natsu wrote:

yo

1. 02:24:477 (1) - isn't this supposed to end at 02:29:562 - fixed√ changes 02:29:393 - end on the guitar
2. 00:42:443 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - NCs still looks weird to me, how about group them all 00:42:443 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - in a single combo and then add a NC at 00:43:291 (2) - I think that fit better the music and keep the comboing less spammy fixed√
3. 03:26:089 (3) - shouldn't this be 1/4? i think 1/4 is closer than 1/3 fixed√
4. 03:26:503 (1,2,3) - use a 1/3 repear slider instead? I think its a bit troll to throw this random 1/3 circles, since all the maop is 1/4, so in my opnion a 1/3 repeat slider is more friendly to the player, same here 03:38:710 (1,2,3) - fixed√ also 03:43:054 - 03:45:434 - changes 1/4 slider
5. 04:22:894 (1) - I don't see any reason for the NC here fixed√

call me back after you reply to this

Rizia wrote:

diff
00:27:782 (2,3,4) - 不跟00:28:460 (2) - 一樣用slider? fixed√
00:48:969 (3) - 這個有點不明白 為何突然要從藍線起 00:48:715 (2,3) - 这两个地方都是跟的人声起头
01:52:189 (8,1) - 突然就stack起來了 感覺這個位會不太舒服 fixed√
02:17:359 (1) - 位置上跟上一個有點分別會不會較好 fixed√
02:18:715 - 這段可以試試mute slider尾 fixed√
03:53:399 (2) - 頭應該有個clap fixed√

Rizia wrote:

應該只是歌手唱得有點偏差吧
原本怎樣編曲就不知道了

imoutosan wrote:

听说有好戏 前排搬板凳
看了看好像不插一脚就没戏了 我来插一脚 支持2/3

Did you really play this map? 不玩 没pp 没人逼您玩
Have you ever tried what you say? 试了 挺好的 哦 是吗 请问是用relax试的吗？
Are you sure you're more fluid after the changes? 你先把话捋顺了 图可以fluid 人不能 我英语差真是碍着你了
我不混你们这个圈 不太懂这三句话是个梗还是什么 感觉看起来好屌哦 是啊 屌爆了 有问题吗？
这张图pending的时候有人来挑这里 你会也这样屌屌地反问这三句话吗？我知道rank这么张图很累很辛苦 然而很累很辛苦并不是一身戾气的理由 你要是个麻婆 别人来讨论你的图你就平心静气和人讲道理 别跟吃了炸药一样 哎哟 你知道RANK一张图很累很辛苦 那么以后等您图快RANK后在下一定给您奉献一篇2000字论文来祝贺你嘞 不好意思 请问一个人看到完别人的图 而且在最后时间写个MOD说你这图这里有问题这还不算搞事 那请问你的搞事定义是什么 论文摸加找QAT吗？ 我这人就是有人来搞我我就要戴上炸药包和他肛 直到他说服我或者他主动放弃这个话题

1/4's rhythm is more suitable for players to experience
抬头看看star 6.14星 对于打得动这张图的人3/4和2/3难度上并没有什么区别 一味卡1/4有什么意义 不好意思 我就是觉得在一张全是1/4的图里突然放两个2/3非常突出 至于为什么 我可以告诉你 这图如果完全按照音来下的话 在03:24:279 - 03:24:572 - 03:24:813 - 03:25:020 - 四个地方是有音的 你的意思是在这一段就应该完全按音去下note咯 还有请你告诉我03:27:330 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - 这一段的音按您的说法应该怎么下 我就不应该考虑玩家打起来的感受咯 至于你说打得动这张图 我不知道你的打得动定义是什么 我自己能PASS这张图 但我就是感觉这个地方不应该下2/3 下了2/3打着非常变扭

If I was here alone to modify the 1/3. it would damage the overall sense of this map.
你直接说你强迫症不就好啦 请问在是我强迫症吗？原来我调整地图的整体感把所有的1/3 1/8部分改没了就是因为强迫症吗？那么我为什么要在这个地方下1/3？这难道不是你强迫症吗？
你摸着脑袋想一想你这里用折返滑条跟的是什么 跟人声还是跟伴奏？
http://puu.sh/rjV8x/7d81c025fd.jpg 我可以告诉你 这个地方是跟的伴奏 而且我可以告诉你 按您的理论 第二个人声1/3部分不是在白线起的头 00:47:133 - 1/6的这个地方 而且结尾的音却是在00:47:698 - 这根红线上 00:47:133 - 00:47:415 - 00:47:698 - 这三个音你告诉我这里怎么用1/3折返滑条 还是说应该用三个节奏不一样的单点呢？
跟背景音的话显然不会用折返 而是直接下两个长滑条 连着后面的一根一共三根拖到红线的长滑条在这里显然也挺好 对 这个地方是OVERMAP了
但是你用的是折返 在当前ranking rule不允许消去reverse箭头的音的规则下折返只能选择跟人声 而这段的人声显然要配合伴奏起到一个一波叠一波 唱的就是2/3 用3/4是两头兼顾结果都顾不上的做法
再来谈谈overall sense 你这张图 我还认认真真去看了一遍 前面放空后面接串的一段 你说damage the overall sense 讲道理哇朋友 既然你认为你看了一遍就可以大肆评论 那么我之前明天晚上单曲循环5-8遍是不是更有资格说明我对曲子的理解？
其实扯这么多蛋你也不服 干货就是这两个折返滑条的最后一个音都明显晚于人声

well.If you think you are right, please refute me.
Since you gave mod. so please give me a reason
没摸 有reason 请看心情回复
我也不太希望你回我 因为我只想搞事 不想来表演多人语言艺术 在我看来你这戏唱的不错

Edit: 顺便一提 楼上的看音也别老用25% 25%会失真的 真的有时候不准

Rizia wrote:

qualified

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Rizia wrote:

qualified

Why it's qualified instead of "Approval"??
Change heart icon to flame

HighTec wrote:

this map bothers me actually. not that 09kami is a bad mapper orz, but the map is just not what i would like to have.
lemme explain myself (no cs5ar8 meme)

1) the slow section in the song is pretty straight forward and ofc doesnt allow much creativity but copy+pasting the same pattern of sliders the whole time makes it look stupid as well. maybe something that couldve been done in order to have it more interesting is to have slight SV changes on the guitar pitches (or different slidershapes) to have it look a little more interesting for the very least, because rn it is just annoying to play because it breaks the whole map apart. having the difficulty reason doesnt help here imo as only experienced players can play these kind of maps.

2) the streams overall feel very repetitive as the spacing feels extremely overdone in a sense. it almost feels like there are barely any different streamshapes and corners used. i must compliment you on the use of the kicksliders since they fit really well with the song. but constantly having around the same spacing in the streams for 2 minutes is just extremely boring zzz

3) the beginning doubles of the streams actually play like trash lo

but who am i to complain i ranked a ytpmv xd

i just hope you will take some of this in consideration for your future maps~~