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notscience
Do you understand my reservations, Ank?
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 5.02

Amianki (1) - - Magic Bomb -
Raging Bull (1) - Haneii
notscience (1) - sLaiNi
sLaiNi (1) - notscience

Not Voting (3) - Setsuen, Raging Bull, Amianki

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
Amianki
Reservations towards what exactly?
sLaiNi
Is everyone sure that there is only one scum left?

MB and RB, could you claim your sounds, please.
notscience

Amianki wrote:

Reservations towards what exactly?
Slaini.

I still heard him yesterday, and knowing I'm town and wouldnt lie means that he did something.

I think his push on ace was angling for a last second distance.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

Is everyone sure that there is only one scum left?

MB and RB, could you claim your sounds, please.
I already claimed sounds, but once again, I heard nothing.

And I'm not completely sure, but it makes sense given the 13 players.
Amianki
Yeah.

I think massclaim isn't a bad idea at this point, honestly. At least action claims.
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

Drezi kill makes total sense, by the way. Their kill on notscience failed night 3 so they know a doctor is in the game.
Still does NOT explain how Haneii got bolded D4. For all we know it could be a ninja who targetted Haneii or something.

sLaiNi wrote:

Is everyone sure that there is only one scum left?.
4Scums in 13P is very scum sided.

Amianki wrote:

Yeah.

I think massclaim isn't a bad idea at this point, honestly. At least action claims.
I stole Sakura's vote. Ask her to vote plz. I tot stole her vote.
Raging Bull
No sound above. Wont mind claiming today. Best course of action imo since should be one scum left. Im certain haneii just cant hear sounds and vice versa unless haneii lied d4.
Raging Bull
Which i dont see happening
Haneii
Mass claim actions? For N3 and 4 :D
Setsuen

Haneii wrote:

Mass claim actions? For N3 and 4 :D
N3-Stole Haneii'svote
N4-Stole Sakura's vote

New role:Triple Voter.
Raging Bull
I think with the scum flip on dvs, we should have two conf town + mb and setsuen and CB. Leaves me and NS.

Soooo

vote NS
Setsuen
so why are you more interested in lynching NS over slani?
sLaiNi
Besides the facts that:

1. I tried to lynch Ace and he tried to save him desperatlely before saying "fire this" and vote him
2. I seem to be the only one that noticed his role yesterday and he didn't get NKed
3. I created a perfect explanation to what happened yesterday

But as you don't take this game serious anymore anyway, I should not put that much effort into this explanation
MBomb
I don't think I need to say actions considering no sounds have been heard from me, and you can see whenever my action was used anyway (As in D2 you saw positions swap).
MBomb
Oh also

Unvote
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

I think with the scum flip on dvs, we should have two conf town + mb and setsuen and CB. Leaves me and NS.

Soooo

vote NS
Also just saying whilst it's highly unlikely, there is a chance there are 2 scum doublevoters. However, I've heard no sounds from Haneii. I'm pretty sure either sLaini or NS is the last scum. (The reason for my vote on Amianki was due to no one being able to hear him for the most part, and to put a tiny bit of pressure onto him, as well as the fact that I said earlier on that I thought either slaini or Amianki was scum but I don't know which one. However, after both slalni and NS are claiming to have heard sounds from each other, it seems highly unlikely that both are town). At the same time, I'm still unsure about Haneii's bolded name. There is a chance that it means we can't detect their actions if they take any, and so me not hearing any sound from Haneii would be irrelevant.
MBomb
However, it seems far too risky that slaini would claim they heard sounds from NS if slaini was scum, as that would basically be a surefire lynch the next day anyway, when NS flipped town. However this does not work the other way around, as Amianki claimed to target slaini last night.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Vote: Amianki
It's not amianki. If he was scum with AT, he would have performed the nightkill N2 instead of Jess (ie: no townie would hear him).

Vote: RB
Also, another thing, did you hear noise from RB?
MBomb
Oh, sorry for so much posts in a row, this is the 6th now...

I don't think slaini or NS are scum now, if I think about it. Both NS and slaini were viable kill targets for last night, and if one had been killed, the other would have no neighbours. One could have killed the other without being suspicious themselves as much as usual. Instead they decided to kill Drezi. Drezi whom had been scumread by NS, and hadn't been scumreading slaini either, past saying he'd change his vote if it was needed. Sure, he was basically confirmed town at this stage due to his persistance to stay on the AT wagon unless something drastic changed, and also the fact Jess/Ace would've never performed the NK if Drezi was scum, due to Drezi having no neighbours, but it'd have been better for scum to have waited one more night and got rid of a higher priority target, if it was one of those two.
MBomb
7...

Looking at the vote count, Amianki would make the most sense to be scum, considering he was the only other person voting for slaini at the end of last night, except Setsuen, who I've heard no sounds from. However, Amianki wouldn't have claimed doctor and defended slaini in the case of him being scum, as that would be two easy mislynches for him.

And in the end of this giant bunch of random thoughts, I've come to my conclusion.

Vote: Raging Bull
sLaiNi
Haneii stated that he did not hear any sounds from RB.
sLaiNi
Haneii why did you vote RB?
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 5.03

notscience (2) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull [L-2]
Raging Bull (2) - Haneii, - Magic Bomb - [L-2]

sLaiNi (1) - notscience

Not Voting (2) - Setsuen, Amianki

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
Setsuen

Setsuen wrote:

slani does know that the (probably last) scum are NOT very smart right?
If they were, they would have killed MB and framed me instead of killing drezi which they can ALSO have framed.
Slani next post in response:

sLaiNi wrote:

Doesnt framing let a person be investigated as scum?

Why the heck should they frame a miller?

I bolded the part which I feel makes slani 10/10 scum.
Apparently I don't take the game seriously but slani doesn't take interpretation seriously either.


- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh, sorry for so much posts in a row, this is the 6th now...

I don't think slaini or NS are scum now, if I think about it. Both NS and slaini were viable kill targets for last night, and if one had been killed, the other would have no neighbours. One could have killed the other without being suspicious themselves as much as usual. Instead they decided to kill Drezi. Drezi whom had been scumread by NS, and hadn't been scumreading slaini either, past saying he'd change his vote if it was needed. Sure, he was basically confirmed town at this stage due to his persistance to stay on the AT wagon unless something drastic changed, and also the fact Jess/Ace would've never performed the NK if Drezi was scum, due to Drezi having no neighbours, but it'd have been better for scum to have waited one more night and got rid of a higher priority target, if it was one of those two.
YOU DO REALISE that scum could have also killed you off and just accused me of doing it right? But ;ets just face facts that the PROBABLY last scum in this game isn't THAT smart.


- Magic Bomb - wrote:

7...

And in the end of this giant bunch of random thoughts, I've come to my conclusion.
and you can't wait for Haneii to explain her vote on RB because she is lurking hard?
notscience
RB, why are you saying slaini is conftwn?
notscience
Here's what likely happened two nights ago-

Slaini has his buddy above him and me below. They kill me so they can pretend not to hear slaini. It gets blocked by the doctor, and I claim to have heard slaini so he tries to distance at the last second from hsi buddy while he has to also claim to have heard sounds on me given he knows the kill failed and if he didnt the doc would cc and hed be fucked.. It ends up getting him lynched.
Raging Bull
I find it unlikely to see two scum DV, but granted I have never seen it before.
Haneii
I agree. Do you really think they got 1 goon and 2 DVs? while we get dvs, a cop, a role blocker, a bus driver, and possible doc?
notscience
Do you think it's likely that I'm lying about hearin a noise from slaini?

Do you think it's /weird/ to hear a noise from a doublevoter and NOONE is claiming to have targetted him or have heard any sounds?

Scum obviously don't have a ninja or else jess would have never committed the kill. I don't think there is anyone else who has been heard.
Haneii

notscience wrote:

Do you think it's likely that I'm lying about hearin a noise from slaini?

No

Do you think it's /weird/ to hear a noise from a doublevoter and NOONE is claiming to have targetted him or have heard any sounds?

Amianki targeted slaini

Scum obviously don't have a ninja or else jess would have never committed the kill. I don't think there is anyone else who has been heard.
MBomb
Haneii, please explain your reasons for voting RB.
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

I find it unlikely to see two scum DV, but granted I have never seen it before.
Granted the two scums that got lynched weren't pro either.
Haneii

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii, please explain your reasons for voting RB.
Poe.


However, I would like everyone to action claim. Particularly for night 3. If a doc did protect NS that night, then the last scum is probably slaini.
Haneii
It's been implied a couple of times, but can you guys just post them, please.
sLaiNi
Sound wise I feel like NS is the only possible scum, if there is only one scum left. What make's me go unsure is that whole "Haneii is bolded, maybe he can't hear things / can't be heard" thing. Then again it would only make sense to target him as scum in either 2 scenarios.

1. He is scum himself and targeted himself.
2. His buddy is RB and targeted Haneii, so both are undetectable.

But it's so unlikely that there are two scums, that I don't know why they even targeted Haneii. Without knowing what it does, it's just impossible to figure that out.
MBomb
Can we please have N3 and N4 action claims, as Haneii said?
Amianki
Don't look at me.
sLaiNi
I did nothing
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Is everyone sure that there is only one scum left?

sLaiNi wrote:

But it's so unlikely that there are two scums, that I don't know why they even targeted Haneii. Without knowing what it does, it's just impossible to figure that out.
10/10. So you changed your decision that there might be two scums bc of me a person who "didn't care about this game""?
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

10/10. So you changed your decision that there might be two scums bc of me a person who "didn't care about this game""?
And again you just plain ignored that MB answered, too. That's why I say that you "don't care about this game".

Why are you interested in lynching me over NS?
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

10/10. So you changed your decision that there might be two scums bc of me a person who "didn't care about this game""?
And again you just plain ignored that MB answered, too. That's why I say that you "don't care about this game".

Why are you interested in lynching me over NS?
1.She lynched Jess. If she was scum she could have just saved Jess and hope for lylo
2.She still helped lynch Ace in the end.
Raging Bull
Rb drezi n3. VT now.
Raging Bull
The ace lynch felt more like a compromise since no one else wanted to gofor slaini. I cant see it as defending his buddy since he was pushing it since beginning of d4
Raging Bull

sLaiNi wrote:

, that I don't know why they even targeted Haneii. Without knowing what it does, it's just impossible to figure that out.

I thought i said it in d4. It seems like it just cancels sounds. Thats why i asked haneii if she heard anything.
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii, please explain your reasons for voting RB.
Poe.



Just lynch NS after me then 8-)
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 5.04

notscience (2) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull [L-2]
Raging Bull (2) - Haneii, - Magic Bomb - [L-2]

sLaiNi (1) - notscience

Not Voting (2) - Setsuen, Amianki

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
Haneii
@RB: you role blocked Drezi and there was no NK. What made you change your vote to Ace? Also, why do you think my bolded name is a side effect from your action.
notscience
Hey guys, we still have noone claiming to have targetted slaini.

It's not this hard.
notscience
That being said, I could be convinced to vote RB because haneii brings up a good point.

But the noise from slaini.
Setsuen
so why are we not lynching between slani/NS and instead targetting RB

Is town trying to let me hallucinate that Haneii is bold named Ninja who is scum with MB and their trying to lynch RB off bc his ninja ability ends tonight which will then allow RB to hear him?
Topic Starter
Sakura
Friendly reminder that deadline is in 40 hours.
MBomb

Setsuen wrote:

so why are we not lynching between slani/NS and instead targetting RB

Is town trying to let me hallucinate that Haneii is bold named Ninja who is scum with MB and their trying to lynch RB off bc his ninja ability ends tonight which will then allow RB to hear him?
Yup we are :^)

Nah, but N3, RB has already claimed to use an ability, and if I remember correctly, Haneii didn't hear it. This means that we can't hear RB's actions, I'm assuming. I'm not sure why Ace performed the NK instead of RB, however.

...Wait a minute why the hell would RB tell us he used an ability.

Unvote
MBomb
Oh also, I'd just like to point out seeing as no one actually did, nothing had affected Haneii's vote, so we still have no idea what it is (Though I assume it's not being able to hear other sounds).
Raging Bull
Will answer in about hour half. Still at work
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

@RB: you role blocked Drezi and there was no NK. What made you change your vote to Ace? Also, why do you think my bolded name is a side effect from your action.

Everyone focused on Slaini and Ace and it also made sense as I believed that one of the DVs had to be scum. p/4469284
I don't think it could have been Slaini as I don't see scum doing same thing twice to send both their killers when NS got one scum lynched. I still would have believed it could have been drezi, but the doc protection stated by slaini made sense as it's possible town doc would want to protect him who led a lynch against scum.

I don't think you bolded name is a side effect from my action. I don't think it should be at least as my role pm does not mention anything like that. Did I say that somewhere?

notscience wrote:

Hey guys, we still have noone claiming to have targetted slaini.

It's not this hard.
Didn't CB claim to target slaini?
Raging Bull

Setsuen wrote:

so why are we not lynching between slani/NS and instead targetting RB

Is town trying to let me hallucinate that Haneii is bold named Ninja who is scum with MB and their trying to lynch RB off bc his ninja ability ends tonight which will then allow RB to hear him?

you aren't even voting?
Raging Bull

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

...Wait a minute why the hell would RB tell us he used an ability.
I had a theory D4 since we both couldn't hear Haneii and I happened to use an ability. So I wanted to ask if Haneii heard anything.
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

...Wait a minute why the hell would RB tell us he used an ability.
I had a theory D4 since we both couldn't hear Haneii and I happened to use an ability. So I wanted to ask if Haneii heard anything.
Yeah, I was saying as scum, it would've been a lot more beneficial to you to keep the fact you used an ability a secret. Hence the unvote.
notscience
He claimed to have targetted him last night.

I've heard him the past two.

Namely, the one that ank targetted ME.
sLaiNi
Still noone claimed to have targeted you today
notscience
Which would be indicative of you /lying/, hm?
notscience
Because unless you want to spin that I, as scum, knew I was about to be protected and nokilled intentionally, there was a scumkill on me that was stopped.

So.
sLaiNi
So basically you say, that I am lying about hearing sounds on you, but everyone should believe that you heard sounds on me yesterday?

That logic
notscience
Yep!

Do you have a response to my second point or are you going to keep deflecting?
notscience
Because I've gone over how, yesterday you could have just said you heard both because you both targetted me and knew you had a buddy next to you, and intended to distance from him some.

I've also gone over how, unless you think I predicted I would be doctored, a scumkill targetted at me failed, which means I'm town.

And, as town, I wouldn't lie about hearing sounds.
notscience
But yet, I still can't seem to get a wagon on you!
Topic Starter
Sakura
27 hours until deadline.
Amianki has been prodded!

Vote Count 5.05

notscience (2) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull [L-2]
Raging Bull (1) - Haneii
sLaiNi (1) - notscience

Not Voting (3) - Setsuen, Amianki, - Magic Bomb -

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
sLaiNi
Either way,

one of us is lying and is scum and we both know who it is.


It's on the others to lynch one of us.

But whoever you lynch, lynch the other one right next day.
notscience
Oh yeah, without a doubt.

But it should be tremendously obvious given the nokill who it is.
Haneii

notscience wrote:

Namely, the one that ank targetted ME.
Amianki never confirmed using an action on you (or any action) N3.

I'm ready to vote Slaini as soon as someone claims to have protected you N3.
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

you aren't even voting?
I stopped bothering to vote. The only time I do try to vote is when I have to carry in Epicmafia and I haven't been playing that for like a week.
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

notscience wrote:

Namely, the one that ank targetted ME.
Amianki never confirmed using an action on you (or any action) N3.

I'm ready to vote Slaini as soon as someone claims to have protected you N3.
And if no one does? Explain poe.

Setsuen wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

you aren't even voting?
I stopped bothering to vote. The only time I do try to vote is when I have to carry in Epicmafia and I haven't been playing that for like a week.
So essentially you dont care what happens. Ok.
Raging Bull
Actually i dont care about poe. Just lynch NS after. I find it more probably for NS scum than slaini. Granted im not sure why NS heard sound on d4. I find it unlikely for scum to send two people near NS for kill, risking their chance because of possible doc.


Has anyone ever targetted haneii after name got bolded?
Raging Bull
Also expect limited post from me during september 18-20 if the game still continuing
notscience
It's kinda obvious based off ank's play he targetted me the night after jess died.

Hint: He was trying to see if people targetted the other two

Hint: He softed when I was pushing about him trying to out the doctor.

But he can validate it, sure.
notscience
Preferably sooner, I'd rather not have /yet another/ deadline scramble.
Setsuen
no one is prodding him even though it been like 2days though. I sure AM NOT GOING TO HELP YOU NON PRODDERS.

or maybe I am town silencer and I silenced him
Amianki
Yeah it's kinda obvious what I've been doing throughout the game.
Topic Starter
Sakura
12 hours 40 minutes until deadline.
MBomb
Ok, I'm gonna be out until about 4 hours before the deadline, please don't lynch anyone until then (And put some pressure on slaini, RB, and NS, one of those will be lynched today, most likely slaini or NS).
Setsuen

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Ok, I'm gonna be out until about 4 hours before the deadline, please don't lynch anyone until then (And put some pressure on slaini, RB, and NS, one of those will be lynched today, most likely slaini or NS).
Did you even read what Amianki stated.
Or are you still skeptical about him being doc.
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

Yeah it's kinda obvious what I've been doing throughout the game.
And that is?
Raging Bull
Saving people?

No one counter claimed CB so idk why it matters. I find scum doc unlikely or else it would be 5 scum since CB protected slaini and NS(?).
Raging Bull
Can we just vote me or NS (or slaini which i doubt?)
Setsuen
Vote:slani

Feel free to counter wagon if you think Amianki isn't doc and is scum with NS instead.
I am not going to be awake when DL happens unless I somehow wake up at 4am instead of 6-8am.
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

Vote:slani

Feel free to counter wagon if you think Amianki isn't doc and is scum with NS instead.
I am not going to be awake when DL happens unless I somehow wake up at 4am instead of 6-8am.

You're making more and more little sentences where you mention the possibility of there being two scums.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 5.06

notscience (2) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull [L-2]
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Setsuen [L-2]

Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

Not Voting (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
MBomb
Hmm. If this isn't right, lynch slaini tomorrow.

Vote: notscience
Topic Starter
Sakura
4 hours and a half until deadline
Vote Count 5.07

notscience (3) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull, - Magic Bomb - [L-1]
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Setsuen [L-2]
Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

Not Voting (1) - Amianki

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
MBomb
Oh btw I'll explain my reasons for lynching ns first tomorrow.
MBomb
Actually, nevermind, I'll explain them now.

N3: Ace Timing performed NK, slaini reports hearing the sound. NS reports hearing slaini, and slaini reports also hearing sounds from NS, NS was targetted by doctor.
N4: ??? performed NK, NS hears sounds from slaini, slaini hears sounds from NS, slaini was targetted by doctor.

If slaini is scum, he would've sacrificed himself D4 and not brought any suspicion to Ace (Especially considering Ace Timing has more experience if I'm correct), probably taken all scumreads on Ace away in the process, and then Ace would've been protected by Doctor, and even in the case that doctor didn't target him, he would've targetted someone else, so Ace would've been unhearable. Of course, Ace didn't know for sure Amianki is a doctor, but at the same time I feel, whilst it wasn't completely obvious, it should've been guessable.
Amianki
Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.
Topic Starter
Sakura
3 hours and a half remaining.
Vote Count 5.08

notscience (3) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull, - Magic Bomb - [L-1]
sLaiNi (3) - notscience, Setsuen, Amianki [L-1]

Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
MBomb

Amianki wrote:

Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.
Hmm. Yeah actually, I can't think of any other explanation for no kill.
MBomb
I'll hammer slaini in 20 minutes, to give other people time to say stuff before I do.
sLaiNi
Okay if there's no way around this:

I don't see any reasons to suspect MB at all. Same goes to RB.
Haneii isn't suspicious for his behaviour, the whole bolded thing makes me wonder though. But scum would never target themselves if it's something like "you cant hear me", rather they would use it to shift suspicion.


NS is still my number one scum. He made sounds today, kill occured and noone claimed to target him. He IS scum and all reason why I get lynched now is, that he said I lie. One of us lies so he is scum. Don't even dare let him excuse himself tomorrow. Lynch him.

Setsuen shifting suspicion and reading only half of the game is suspicious.

Amianki claims town doctor. Seems believable.

I create this list in case the game doesn't end after NS lynch.
sLaiNi
Okay, I was in a hurry writing the post above, in case I get hammered in the meanwhile.


Basically NS is 100% scum, lynch him. He played his whole cards on getting me off of him.

I had doubts, because scum would never ever play so aggressively and making obvious ML tries.

For explanation AGAIN why you need to kill him:

He made sounds today, and he said I would lie. Noone targeted him (town should've already claimed if they did) so he made the NK.

Then again there is a high chance of Amianki lying for some reason, as I don't understand no kill happening after she targeted NS. There are two things that could've happened:
1. Amianki is doc and actually targeted NS but NS didn't NK then for whatever reason
2. Amianki is scum and lied to create confusion either way to give NS towncred (if they are team) or for creating a ML
So either Amianki is scumteam with NS or in any way she is the scum instead. (or he, sorry for calling you "she" then :x)
Topic Starter
Sakura
I'm tired and gonna take a nap, even if i wake up past the deadline, only votes and unvotes made before the deadline will count.
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