Setsuen wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Then tell me a good reason, why to vote Zexion.
There have to be dozen if you are so sure about him.

literally almost any reason why people voted for Frosting can be used for Zexion.
Also take note that Zexion DARES to 1v1 me as town BUT he does not try to do so in this game when I accuse him of being suspicious.

You mean the Frostings that was actually town and that we misslynched?

Good, let's go and vote Zexion for the same reasons that let us misslynch a town.

Ace Timing wrote:

why did people vote frostings again?

Any oppinions on your side? That prod dodge was so good, I didn't even notice it.

I don't see what's so scummy about zexion, only the classic scum tell at the beginning of the day, so common it's on the wiki...

tbh I'd rather lynch MB, not because he's scum or anything, but because Bus Driver sounds like a pain to deal with.

Ace Timing wrote:

tbh I'd rather lynch MB, not because he's scum or anything, but because Bus Driver sounds like a pain to deal with.

A pain to deal with for who?

Other PRs, imagine protecting someone only to have them switched with someone else and killed.

Unless MB is an X-shot bus driver in which case he should probably stay.

Is scum bus driver even a thing?

vote slaini

There has been no push for his lynch, which i assume he would be scum.

@slaini

mafiascum wiki wrote:

As a pro-Town power role, Bus Driver is similar to a Doctor in that it can prevent a player from being killed if the Bus Driver targets them each Night. However, it does not stop the kill on its own, so it is not as much of a disadvantage to scum if used in this way. With that said, it is far more likely that the Bus Driver will hurt the other power roles as their actions get unexpectedly redirected by the Bus Driver's choices. Thus, it is not considered a great power role.

Wtf. Mb is 1 shot anyways. If we see other people switch, then we can PL for lynch all liars. Other than that, hes VT now. It seems weird for scum to have 1 shot BD

Ace Timing wrote:

@slaini

mafiascum wiki wrote:

As a pro-Town power role, Bus Driver is similar to a Doctor in that it can prevent a player from being killed if the Bus Driver targets them each Night. However, it does not stop the kill on its own, so it is not as much of a disadvantage to scum if used in this way. With that said, it is far more likely that the Bus Driver will hurt the other power roles as their actions get unexpectedly redirected by the Bus Driver's choices. Thus, it is not considered a great power role.

So basically you say, let's lynch someone just because he has a special role?

I don't say I'm not for a MB lynch, but that reasoning won't bring any good to us I guess.

Raging Bull wrote:

vote slaini

There has been no push for his lynch, which i assume he would be scum.

Could you explain any further what you mean there? I don't get this one.

sLaiNi wrote:

So basically you say, let's lynch someone just because he has a special role?

Ace Timing wrote:

Unless MB is an X-shot bus driver in which case he should probably stay.

Raging Bull wrote:

Mb is 1 shot anyways.

Nice misrep btw

Text is @slaini

Raging Bull wrote:

Wtf. Mb is 1 shot anyways. If we see other people switch, then we can PL for lynch all liars. Other than that, hes VT now. It seems weird for scum to have 1 shot BD

Lol didn't even see that.

I don't see a reason to assume that he is VT now, just because it seems strange for scum to have such a role. Also you have no reason to be sure about him being 1shot and town, if you are town.

Red Bull wrote:

Other than that, hes VT now

This sounds much too sure to be someone who doesn't know the allignment of all.

Ace Timing wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

So basically you say, let's lynch someone just because he has a special role?

Ace Timing wrote:

Unless MB is an X-shot bus driver in which case he should probably stay.

Raging Bull wrote:

Mb is 1 shot anyways.

Nice misrep btw

Didn't see Raging bulls Post (I quoted him as Red Bull...much too late, sorry for that).
Still, I think that your "Yeah, I don't like his role...lynch him" is just a bad way of thinking.

Mb said his bis driver is 1 shot?

sLaiNi wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

vote slaini

There has been no push for his lynch, which i assume he would be scum.

Could you explain any further what you mean there? I don't get this one.

Scum would have pushed you if you were town because of quick hammer. There has been no push which i would assume you are scum since your teammates arent doing anything

Reason why i think he is vt because he said he is 1 shot. If he used his BD like yesterday, then we see physical results. (Houses change) if he lies and houses change again, he would be lying and would be scum.

Sorry guys, long day + wrongly assumed weekend counted for 24 hours (derp)

Raging Bull wrote:

vote slaini

There has been no push for his lynch, which i assume he would be scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

Scum would have pushed you if you were town because of quick hammer.

Why must they push? Also, how do you know they wanted to try but realized after slaini explained himself, no one would follow along with them?
Notice:

Drezi wrote:

or just scum and didn't want to wait for the claim... which should have happened long ago...

Raging Bull wrote:

That was anticlimatic. Idk about slaini now.

Zexion wrote:

So Slaini, is your only reason for that hammer the fact "it was almost time"?

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm so sorry for that Frostings, omg that is so embarrasing.

Zexion wrote:

So Slaini, is your only reason for that hammer the fact "it was almost time"?

That doesn't hit it exactly. The display in the forum which shows when something was posted showed 20:something for the post where Sakura stated "Only 2 hours left" and it was 22:something when I read that. Actually I though the deadline was 20:something, so I rushed into the forums to notice that the DL didn't happen. In my hurry I got confused and just did what I did.

I am so sorry for it, no joke ._.

Drezi wrote:

I'll be V/LA most of the day, I'm not happy about sLaiNi but don't get obsessed with him and tunnel him all day long, pretty sure scum would be happy about that, but after all I think it's just sLaiNi being sLaiNi, and DL was already less than an hour away, and it didn't look like Frostings was gonna claim anyway, so I'd rather think it was really just a mistake for now.

Do you think scum would still want to push this lynch? Also, after all that, it looks like you (RB) were the only person who thought he was scummy (drezi suggests we ignore it/that any push would most likely be scum). Looks like you’re just going about a different way on trying to get slaini lynched/painted scum.

@MagicBomb: Why do you think I'm town?

Scum doesnt have to push but with his mistake it should have been obvious. Not only that you honestly believe his excuse? Clicking the last button and reading would have taken a lot less time than described. A no lynch wouldnt be ideal, but a quickhammer nearing deadline while people (other than sakura) were still talking is even worse. He not ruined someone else potentially voting for frosting, but two. It prevents other people from scumslipping when trying to talk about frosting. There was nothing happening to slaini, which i believe that he could be

1 town, scum doesnt want to push because its dangerous.
2 scum, scum doesnt want to push because teammate.

I cant really see slaini town with what happened and his apology doesnt seem genuine.
And i wasnt even obsessed over slaini, it was more on magic bomb and his BD and noise. Seriously, is there anything else going around? Drezi also stated something about town do something before we near DL or we have to PL anyways, which is fucking stupid. Now that I do something, i feel like im getting called out. You seem to be painting me for trying to do at least something than still talk about MB which does nothing at this point.

Raging Bull wrote:

Scum would have pushed you if you were town because of quick hammer. There has been no push which i would assume you are scum since your teammates arent doing anything

Not necessarily true. It was close enough to DL that it's difficult to see that as inherently scummy.

sLaiNi wrote:

I don't see a reason to assume that he is VT now, just because it seems strange for scum to have such a role. Also you have no reason to be sure about him being 1shot and town, if you are town.

This section right here is making me really uncomfortable.

Raging Bull wrote:

He not ruined someone else potentially voting for frosting, but two. It prevents other people from scumslipping when trying to talk about frosting.

Raging Bull wrote:

I cant really see slaini town with what happened and his apology doesnt seem genuine.

So we punish him because he's a bad townie?

Raging Bull wrote:

Now that I do something, i feel like im getting called out.

I wonder why.

Raging Bull wrote:

You seem to be painting me for trying to do at least something than still talk about MB which does nothing at this point.

Tbh, I was hoping to better understand your vote against slaini. Looks like it's not just for the lack of players pushing for his lynch, but a combination of that + your desire to PL lynch him (You probably don't see it as such, but it looks like a PL vote to me). Neither reason makes you look scum (imo).

Btw, just so there isn't more confusion with MB's claim:



Day 1, pg 28

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Are you claiming to be a Bus Driver, Magic Bomb?

And yeah, lol town can't be bussed.

I'd have preffered to claim tomorrow, so that scum couldn't attempt to work around it, but yeah, I am now, I guess. Only one-shot though.

Haneii wrote:

@MagicBomb: Why do you think I'm town?

Gut feeling, as well as the fact you're running this game a lot better than most others (Or, were for D1, today you seem less active), and your argument with Setsuen earlier on in the game seemed like 2 townies arguing. As well as that, you're putting more thought into the game than I'd expect from scum, especially considering you researched to see what kind of roles were in the game this was drawing inspiration from.

@MB: who else thinks I'm town? Please quote if you can/use ISO.

p37

pieguy1372 wrote:

not lynching Haneii

I take this as him saying he views you as town.

p62

Raging Bull wrote:

Did your role state anything about noises? While i can see why you wanted to protect haneii, it seems that you may also unintentionally blocked our sounds

The wording of the bolded part makes me think of it as "I can see why you think they're town".

p43

Navizel wrote:

Null-town/town:
Setsuen - This is Setsuen we're talking about. Even though I still don't like him I think he's town.
pieguy1372
Haneii

p42

Zexion wrote:

I don't really think neither Haneii or Setsuen is scum. This seems like a town v/s town while scum is just watching and laughing.

Considering I'm also townreading you, this is half of the people alive (Not including you) that are townreading you (Or at least were at some point, ofc obviously their views could've changed at this stage but yeah, they probably would've said if they had started to scumread you for whatever reason).

my RL is officially crap. every time I thought I'd get some free time, I'd get distracted with a bunch of nonsense related to moving the house. :facepalm:

I will legit be able to get to this tomorrow. I have a solid block of 5-6 hours after class where I know nothing stupid will come up.

sLaiNi wrote:

You mean the Frostings that was actually town and that we misslynched?

Good, let's go and vote Zexion for the same reasons that let us misslynch a town.

Zexion has the ADDED suspicion that he tried REAL hard NOT to start a 1v1 with me. He only had a few VERY short argument for me and I know that he CAN do a long 1v1 with me bc he has done so before.

Scum points for you for TOTALLY ignoring this part of my post. Like seriously.

Ace Timing wrote:

I don't see what's so scummy about zexion, only the classic scum tell at the beginning of the day, so common it's on the wiki...

They said about the same thing in a newbie mafia game where Navizel was scum. Took them until D3 to take my advice. Are you planning to wait that long?

Ace Timing wrote:

tbh I'd rather lynch MB, not because he's scum or anything, but because Bus Driver sounds like a pain to deal with.

Lynching someone for their roles instead of alignment is VERY scummy.

Amianki wrote:

Not necessarily true. It was close enough to DL that it's difficult to see that as inherently scummy.

I just looked back at a past game I hosted called Debatable mafia. You sure like saving your partner in that game.

@Mod:Prod Zexion so that he can scum slip and we can all lynch him off TY.

Post dodge
Just get back home,posting in tomorrow

Setsuen wrote:

Amianki wrote:

Not necessarily true. It was close enough to DL that it's difficult to see that as inherently scummy.

I just looked back at a past game I hosted called Debatable mafia. You sure like saving your partner in that game.

Yeah? And?

Is there any more of a connection than that?

Prod taken. Seriously sorry but yesterday was just... >.<, I'll post as soon as I get access to a PC.

Amianki wrote:

Yeah? And?

Is there any more of a connection than that?

It means I am getting paranoid about why you're somewhat passively saving slani.

Because hammering when it's less than an hour to deadline is not scummy. It's just not.

Setsuen wrote:

Zexion has the ADDED suspicion that he tried REAL hard NOT to start a 1v1 with me. He only had a few VERY short argument for me and I know that he CAN do a long 1v1 with me bc he has done so before.

Scum points for you for TOTALLY ignoring this part of my post. Like seriously.

I ignore it, because in your reasoning EVERYONE is scummy for you and 80% of them because they didn't want to "1v1" me, as you call it.

You're merely scumpainting around since D2 instead of scumhunting.

@setsuen dunno if you noticed, but scum would never hammer, it's way too suspect for them. Puts attention on them, which isn't something they need.

About 3 days left until deadline.

Pieguy, you'll be posting today, right?

@Jess: I'm questioning why you signed up to be a replacement for this game. I probably shouldn't be talking considering my own activity, but most of your posts are just prod doges or votes. That's not playing.

@setsuen: Who's the "scummiest" person after zexion in your opinion (can you keep it to one person, please)?

@MB: Why did you choose to use up your role N1 instead of saving it for sometime later in the game?

Haneii wrote:

Zexion wrote:

So we're still like D1 again.

Are you saying, you don't care to look at yesterday's lynch and last night's kill?

Filler post, obviously I meant about the NK analysis itself (i.e. we can't draw much from Navizel's NK)

Setsuen wrote:

You just ruined 24hours of no one posting anything. Now how am I suppose to lose while complaining about the fact that scum are winning like they did in Perpetual MyLo?

Epic. Simply epic.

Setsuen wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Then tell me a good reason, why to vote Zexion.
There have to be dozen if you are so sure about him.

literally almost any reason why people voted for Frosting can be used for Zexion.
Also take note that Zexion DARES to 1v1 me as town BUT he does not try to do so in this game when I accuse him of being suspicious.

How is this scum indicative? WHY I should 1vs1 you if all we get is a bunch of WIFOM and nothing conclussive? And besides, when did you -ever- try to start a 1vs1 with me? I don't get why you accuse me of not 'doing a 1vs1' when the chance never happened.

Atm I only have time to answer these questions, so expect a little more tomorrow when I actually have time to post. Sorry about this.

Haneii wrote:

@MB: Why did you choose to use up your role N1 instead of saving it for sometime later in the game?

Honestly, because I thought that considering what happened D1, I saw a chance of me getting lynched today, and didn't want my ability to not be used. Though in hindsight, it would've been better to save it for when scum had less people to target with their NK.

Haneii wrote:

@Jess: I'm questioning why you signed up to be a replacement for this game. I probably shouldn't be talking considering my own activity, but most of your posts are just prod doges or votes. That's not playing.

i am playing btw,In those days,i have been busying about school work and have not many time to think.

Prod dodge. Sorry something happened today.

Ace Timing wrote:

@setsuen dunno if you noticed, but scum would never hammer, it's way too suspect for them. Puts attention on them, which isn't something they need.

HAHAHA try playing EM. People CAN and WILL hammer as scum there.

sLaiNi wrote:

I ignore it, because in your reasoning EVERYONE is scummy for you and 80% of them because they didn't want to "1v1" me, as you call it.

You're merely scumpainting around since D2 instead of scumhunting.

I town read MB and pie atm
I have a lot of null with a little suspicion on some of their post
I have only 4very suspicious reads.(Zexion,RB,Drezi and slani)

Haneii wrote:

@setsuen: Who's the "scummiest" person after zexion in your opinion (can you keep it to one person, please)?

My gut says RB is quite suspicious tbh. RB has not tried to boost activity by getting people to be prodded and somehow I feel that she is trying to be very neutral towards me just bc my scumhunting style is to start a 1v1 with them resulting in their lynch. Does not help much that she was in that Perpetual MYLO game where she won as scum due to inactivity of town and me hammering bc I gave up on town who didn't try to LYNCH SEPHIBRO.

Zexion wrote:

How is this scum indicative? WHY I should 1vs1 you if all we get is a bunch of WIFOM and nothing conclussive? And besides, when did you -ever- try to start a 1vs1 with me? I don't get why you accuse me of not 'doing a 1vs1' when the chance never happened.

Atm I only have time to answer these questions, so expect a little more tomorrow when I actually have time to post. Sorry about this.

ANYONE who try to act Neutral towards me is SCUMMY just based off the fact that they are most likely trying to avoid arguing with me(which BTW also double as a way for people to get reads off you) YOU DID START A 1V1 IN CHAOSINDUMMYVILLE UNLESS I GOT THE WRONG PERSON? The chance happened when I accused you of being more scummy than Frosting D1. You totally tried to lurk your way through that with VERY neutral posts.




fyi town. If Zexion flips scum, slani will be EXTREMELY suspicious for me and if Zexion flips town, RB will be(not that I don't already suspect BOTH of them) But I doubt that BOTH RB and slani are scum.

I also don't like Drezi's playstyle D1 after looking back at it bc My gut is telling me that Drezi is basically sheeping me a lot so that I will town read him/her.

and seriously town. You SHOULD start suspecting people who say why should I trust your reads blah blah blah to me bc they CAN and are probably most likely scums who knows my reads are right and are trying to brush suspicion off CASUALLY.(Which works a lot seeing that it takes until D3 LYLO for town to do ANYTHING THESE DAYS. Also,(Nyquil in Chaos remember when I said Nyquil slipped and NO ONE CARED?)

Why Zexion over RB?

I think Jess is probably scum and I think Zexion could be scum.

I think sLaiNi, RB, Drezi, and potentially Setsuen are town. Ank maybe town too but I want to read the end of D1.

Jess has done even less this game day than I have. then she puts a vote on the leading wagon. I don't think I even have to point out what the problem here is.

I don't remember anything Zexion did this game day standing out as particularly town.

I don't like RB's argument re: sLaiNi, but think he's probably town due to rEdo's posts. I'd like if someone could walk me through why they find MB's actual play here scummy.

more tomorrow

Haneii wrote:

Why Zexion over RB?

Lynching Zexion tells us more about who can be scum.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Jess has done even less this game day than I have. then she puts a vote on the leading wagon. I don't think I even have to point out what the problem here is.

-[Jess]- wrote:

unvote

Setsuen wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Why Zexion over RB?

Lynching Zexion tells us more about who can be scum.

Why is slaini more likely to be scum if zexion flips scum? Why RB if he flips town?

Haneii wrote:

Why is slaini more likely to be scum if zexion flips scum? Why RB if he flips town?

If you read my past quote it is obvious that slani is trying to say that my reads sux and that I am just scum painting everyone. Why would she do that when I'm pushing for a Zexion wagon? oh yes slani is trying to save Zexion!(seriously) So if Zexion flips scum, slani is most likely scum just for defending Zexion. More awareness plz.

As I stated before I doubt that BOTH RB and slani are scum just based on how RB is pushing slani(esp not IF I have stated my suspicion of them before). Therefore if Zexion flips scum slani is most likely scum and therefore RB town and vice versa.
That and RB is totally ignoring interaction with Zexion for SOME REASON WE DON'T KNOW and that she doesn't want to help eliminate inactivity by prodding people.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Jess has done even less this game day than I have. then she puts a vote on the leading wagon. I don't think I even have to point out what the problem here is.

I am not even going to care about Jess right now bc I want Zexion lynched BEFORE I tackle more INANCTIVE SCUMS.

the lack of a counterwagon to Frostings yesterday should have been an obvious sign that the wagon was on town. also thought Frostings' reaction to his wagon looked p town although I might just be talking out of my ass with the power of hindsight.

Amianki wrote:

Zexion's responses to the sudden wagon on him is pretty town. That wagon needs to stop existing asap.

what, specifically, looked town?

I'm reading sLaiNi as town for that hammer. he clearly didn't read the thread before hammering, which shows a lack of self-awareness I don't think scum would be likely to fake.

I think both Drezi and Magic Bomb look pretty town (the latter not as strongly bc I *still* haven't checked his scum game despite it being linked like at the very start of D1). I'd like if someone who is scum reading him can try and sell me on the wagon.

actually let's do this for the time being

- Magic Bomb - Raging Bull Haneii sLaiNi
Setsuen Drezi
Amianki Ace Timing
Zexion -[Jess]-

pieguy1372 wrote:

the lack of a counterwagon to Frostings yesterday should have been an obvious sign that the wagon was on town. also thought Frostings' reaction to his wagon looked p town although I might just be talking out of my ass with the power of hindsight.

so how come you didn't join my counterwagon on Zexion?

i wasn't there

i have no excuse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in hindsight, I drastically wish I was there bc I would have.

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pieguy1372 wrote:

Jess has done even less this game day than I have. then she puts a vote on the leading wagon. I don't think I even have to point out what the problem here is.

And yes,I'm do nothing in this game AT ALL
I was busying at RL thing and have no time to think.
Even the read of D1,I have no put deeper thought it this because I am too tired after the camping trip.
And now,I will be lass busier in those days and I will focus more on this game

About the vote
I have no idea about the 24 hour of nothing and he can bring thing alive.

I want to V/LA until this game end seeing that town are still letting scum push on MB.

-[Jess]- wrote:

About the vote
I have no idea about the 24 hour of nothing and he can bring thing alive.

...you voted MB less than 2 hours after their last post. At the time of your vote, MB had posted 6+ times in the last 2 days.

Jess, why did you join the MB wagon? O_O

Haneii wrote:

Jess, why did you join the MB wagon? O_O

I didn't want to join the wagon,because i don't think MB is scum at that time
And seriously,I can't think why i vote MB at that time.
there maybe 2 reason why i vote MB

1. I am derping
2. I am only think about the 24h thing

-[Jess]- wrote:

And seriously,I can't think why i vote MB at that time.
there maybe 2 reason why i vote MB

1. I am derping
2. I am only think about the 24h thing

smh.

You really shouldn't join games. One of the general rules is "play to win". You clearly don't care about this game or maybe it's because you don't know how to play as scum - I'm hoping its the latter.

Vote: Jess

Setsuen wrote:

it is obvious that slani is trying to say that my reads sux and that I am just scum painting everyone. Why would she do that when I'm pushing for a Zexion wagon? oh yes slani is trying to save Zexion!(seriously) So if Zexion flips scum, slani is most likely scum just for defending Zexion.

Slaini is suspicious because he’s most likely scum for defending zexion? What about players who are more explicit about zexion’s town alignment? Why not them?

From day 2:

Ace Timing wrote:

I don't see what's so scummy about zexion, only the classic scum tell at the beginning of the day, so common it's on the wiki...

From day 1:

Amianki wrote:

...Why are we voting Zexion again?

Amianki wrote:

Zexion's responses to the sudden wagon on him is pretty town. That wagon needs to stop existing asap.

Continuing from my last post regarding setsuen finding slaini suspicious:

sLaiNi wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

literally almost any reason why people voted for Frosting can be used for Zexion.
Also take note that Zexion DARES to 1v1 me as town BUT he does not try to do so in this game when I accuse him of being suspicious.

You mean the Frostings that was actually town and that we misslynched?

Good, let's go and vote Zexion for the same reasons that let us misslynch a town.

Slaini has a point here. Why would we vote someone for the same reasons? Slaini was just voicing the obvious.

sLaiNi wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

Zexion has the ADDED suspicion that he tried REAL hard NOT to start a 1v1 with me. He only had a few VERY short argument for me and I know that he CAN do a long 1v1 with me bc he has done so before.

Scum points for you for TOTALLY ignoring this part of my post. Like seriously.

I ignore it, because in your reasoning EVERYONE is scummy for you and 80% of them because they didn't want to "1v1" me, as you call it.

You're merely scumpainting around since D2 instead of scumhunting.

Slaini asked you for better reasons for voting zexion. He’s trying to understand the wagon against zexion. You said it yourself, setsuen, you can come up with reasons for scumpainting anyone.

Setsuen wrote:

I can probably come up with a few reasons why I can scum read everyone here.

So what’s wrong with ignoring your repetitive 1v1 talk (that apparently applies to everyone you target, regardless if they in fact interact with you or not) and asking for more serious reads?

Tl;dr: Why is slaini so supscious to you (more than others)?

Haneii wrote:

smh.

You really shouldn't join games. One of the general rules is "play to win". You clearly don't care about this game or maybe it's because you don't know how to play as scum - I'm hoping its the latter.

Vote: Jess

What?

i didn't care about the game?I am REALLY care about the game.I mostly watching the game and think.

Haneii wrote:

From day 2:

Ace Timing wrote:

I don't see what's so scummy about zexion, only the classic scum tell at the beginning of the day, so common it's on the wiki...

From day 1:

Amianki wrote:

...Why are we voting Zexion again?

Amianki wrote:

Zexion's responses to the sudden wagon on him is pretty town. That wagon needs to stop existing asap.

Amianki has literally defended both slani and Zexion. However Amianki is not as suspicious as Zexion/Drezi/RB etc for me. bc he have been known to say that he would bus at least one of his partners.

Ace is not as suspicious as slani just by a few of his response D1 and the fact that Ace stated that he thinks scum wouldn't hammer D1 makes me think he is town.

slani however had a VERY QUICK switch in reaction after other people responded to me role claiming which btw scum sakura did in Lupus(when she didn't know who the werewolf in the game were)

so basically I do suspect some a lot of people for some reason or another but Zexion in particular gives off a very bad vibe and slani gives off a bad vibe for saving Zexion bc he tried to save

Haneii wrote:

Slaini has a point here. Why would we vote someone for the same reasons? Slaini was just voicing the obvious.



Slaini asked you for better reasons for voting zexion. He’s trying to understand the wagon against zexion. You said it yourself, setsuen, you can come up with reasons for scumpainting anyone.



So what’s wrong with ignoring your repetitive 1v1 talk (that apparently applies to everyone you target, regardless if they in fact interact with you or not) and asking for more serious reads?

Tl;dr: Why is slaini so supscious to you (more than others)?

It was the same reason AND the fact that he is OBVIOUSLY LURKING. But EVERYONE choose to ignore that obvious fact. Like seriously Zexion has done LITERALLY NOTHING TO DEFEND my accusation. One HAS to assume that scum are saving him at this point.

Lurk,Avoiding 1v1s when he has done so before as town in ChaosInDummyVille, giving off VERY NEUTRAL post with no intention to seem town which makes me think he is just trying to push being a null read for others until it reaches lylo and town mislynch for an easy win.

Setsuen wrote:

But EVERYONE choose to ignore that obvious fact. Like seriously Zexion has done LITERALLY NOTHING TO DEFEND my accusation. One HAS to assume that scum are saving him at this point.

Setsuen wrote:

Amianki has literally defended both slani and Zexion. However Amianki is not as suspicious as Zexion/Drezi/RB etc for me. bc he have been known to say that he would bus at least one of his partners.

Basically you say, that you are looking for scum that try to save Zexion and afterwards you say that Amianki isn't suspicious because he would bus atleast one of his partners.

This means you say he is most likely town, because if he was in scumteam with Zexion and me, he wouldn't save both of us and instead rather bus one of us.

Your assumption only works in the case of there being three different scums and your wording sounded like you are pretty sure about this. So how are you so sure about there being 3 scum instead of maybe 4?

-[Jess]- wrote:

Haneii wrote:

smh.

You really shouldn't join games. One of the general rules is "play to win". You clearly don't care about this game or maybe it's because you don't know how to play as scum - I'm hoping its the latter.

Vote: Jess

What?

i didn't care about the game?I am REALLY care about the game.I mostly watching the game and think.

Sounds fair enough. So while watching the game, you surely made some notices.

How did scum know that Navizel was the Cop?

Who said they did?

Ace Timing wrote:

Who said they did?

They surely did, rather not question that right now.

I am now going to faceplam bc what I typed did not post correctly.

Back on topic

sLaiNi wrote:

Your assumption only works in the case of there being three different scums and your wording sounded like you are pretty sure about this. So how are you so sure about there being 3 scum instead of maybe 4?

have you realise how invader sided it would be if there was a Miller AND 4Invaders in the set-up?
I think it's safe to assume for me that there's only 3.

Setsuen wrote:

Zexion wrote:

How is this scum indicative? WHY I should 1vs1 you if all we get is a bunch of WIFOM and nothing conclussive? And besides, when did you -ever- try to start a 1vs1 with me? I don't get why you accuse me of not 'doing a 1vs1' when the chance never happened.

Atm I only have time to answer these questions, so expect a little more tomorrow when I actually have time to post. Sorry about this.

ANYONE who try to act Neutral towards me is SCUMMY just based off the fact that they are most likely trying to avoid arguing with me(which BTW also double as a way for people to get reads off you) YOU DID START A 1V1 IN CHAOSINDUMMYVILLE UNLESS I GOT THE WRONG PERSON? The chance happened when I accused you of being more scummy than Frosting D1. You totally tried to lurk your way through that with VERY neutral posts.

So your only argument there is meta? I don't deny I did a 1vs1 with you on that game but it was kinda pointless as we only argued about using meta and stuff... I think it would be pretty much the same thing here. If you insist with that attitude of yours, you'll see how wrong you are about your meta reads.

...then again, while I have been having rough days at college I can't really excuse my poor play this game. I've been really away. Let me read a bit more.

@setsuen why is it so important that people 1v1 you, lest they be scumpainted? I, quite frankly, don't see the point in participating in a seemingly useless venture, perhaps you could enlighten me.

Ah, forgive me, scumread is more accurate than scumpainted in this sense, but I'm sure the meaning is the same for the most part.

Also, Setsuen, you appear to be pushing Slaini, but I don't see you voting on him, if he is so incredibly scummy, what exactly is delaying your vote on him?

pieguy1372 wrote:

Amianki wrote:

Zexion's responses to the sudden wagon on him is pretty town. That wagon needs to stop existing asap.

what, specifically, looked town?

IIRC it was tone and how he decided to respond. It didn't have that scum stench surrounding it.

Setsuen, you have to realize at some point that 1v1s drain the life out of the game and expecting people to 1v1 you is asinine.

Ace Timing wrote:

Who said they did?

What do you think Navizel was killed for?

It still blows my mind that he was targeted in the first place. Occam's razor says that he left behind a crumb that scum caught. The only other reason I can think of that makes sense with how I'm seeing the game is WIFOM; but that feels wrong. If he wasn't killed for a cop crumb, then the collective reads throughout day 1 were probably off base.

sorry, i lost money because of china so i kept reading about the market yesterday and how to respond.

unvote

Homestly i didnt expect much opposition from Haneii. I wanted to gamble a bit and push slaini in an attempt to see anyone else follows and push from there because of his hammer. Sadly no one else did. Im still not sure if slaini is town, but seeing as nothing else went on, momentum was lost (if any.)

@haneii, why do you think hes town? Im not punishing him because hes a bad townie. I really think he could be scum. I suppose no one else thinks the quickhammer is scum indicative but me, but i truly dont care if no one else thinks that.

@setsuen, i never realize i ask to prod people so much in the past, but lately i have been prod dodging too because i dont have as much time as before. Honestly, i think when you post walls, you are more townish feeling. Granted i dont think ive seen you as scum, but i dont see scum put effort to do big (real big and annoying) posts. Im also a guy. I dont recall you being suspicious about slaini, so i didnt use your reason to vote him.

@jess you say you have time now, but it just doesnt show. You also post stuff like read tonight, but you dont post it and eventually cycle back to "post tonight"

Ace Timing wrote:

@setsuen why is it so important that people 1v1 you, lest they be scumpainted? I, quite frankly, don't see the point in participating in a seemingly useless venture, perhaps you could enlighten me.

The important thing is that they clearly tried their best to AVOID any sort of argument with me that could start a 1v1.

Ace Timing wrote:

Also, Setsuen, you appear to be pushing Slaini, but I don't see you voting on him, if he is so incredibly scummy, what exactly is delaying your vote on him?

If you're town why do you not realise I stated that by lynching Zexion I can know who's scu, between RB and slani?

Raging Bull wrote:

@setsuen, i never realize i ask to prod people so much in the past, but lately i have been prod dodging too because i dont have as much time as before. Honestly, i think when you post walls, you are more townish feeling. Granted i dont think ive seen you as scum, but i dont see scum put effort to do big (real big and annoying) posts. Im also a guy. I dont recall you being suspicious about slaini, so i didnt use your reason to vote him.

I am pretty sure all the scums are using prod dodge to win at this point and you jollywell know why seeing that you were in Perpetual mylo.

Raging Bull wrote:

Homestly i didnt expect much opposition from Haneii.

Well your reasoning for voting for voting slaini was terrible. Btw, why am I the only one you point out?

Amianki wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Scum would have pushed you if you were town because of quick hammer. There has been no push which i would assume you are scum since your teammates arent doing anything

Not necessarily true. It was close enough to DL that it's difficult to see that as inherently scummy.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I'm reading sLaiNi as town for that hammer. he clearly didn't read the thread before hammering, which shows a lack of self-awareness I don't think scum would be likely to fake.

Ace Timing wrote:

@setsuen dunno if you noticed, but scum would never hammer, it's way too suspect for them. Puts attention on them, which isn't something they need.

Raging Bull wrote:

@haneii, why do you think hes town?

He's null atm. How come this question is at me and not at pieguy (or at least both of us?) You pushed slaini to see if anyone follows, right? Why am I your only focus after that little gamble of yours? Were you really looking for anything?

I mentioned you because they made a statement, but you were the only one that truely questioned me.

You said im punishing a bad townie, so i wanted to know why. I just dont see him as town. I trust you the most.

Also i dont even recall perpetual mylo and prod dodging a lot. I think I V/LA a lot in the past instead.

Just saying it's really looking like we might have to make a compromise again which is really annoying. There's basically no agreements about who to lynch past like 3 people agreeing. It might just be good to PL Jess but at the same time I do actually have some faith in Setsuen's logic. However if Setsuen himself is scum (Which I doubt, I'm townreading him, but it's always a possibilty, I mean I was 100% sure Frostings was scum at one point and we saw how that worked out), then that would be 2 very easy mislynches. I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the best course of action here.

And of course, wait for Drezi to get back before doing anything stupid.

Damn 4 hour left and i feel sick today D:

Raging Bull wrote:

@jess you say you have time now, but it just doesnt show. You also post stuff like read tonight, but you dont post it and eventually cycle back to "post tonight"

ok i will post it now D:

Here is my thought in D2:
In the beginning of D2,everyone was discuss about the sound when they hear of N1.(I think someone was lying about it but it doesn't matter for who was
lying)Ace soon give the hints about his role(I think his Role is D2 Doublevoter because he is not vote at all to see who is the scummist and vote them)and MB claim he use the 1-shot Bus driver(i am very curious about why he didn't keep the bus driver thingy)also,Setsuen was trying 1v1 somebody so hard. (I think he is try to scumpaint them while 1v1,and lynch them.It is a genius idea btw,but fail)I also don't like the reason why Haneii vote me for not playing.

So here is my read

Null:everyone (Yes is everyone,some of them was almost null-scum,and some of them are almost null-town,I just can't put them neither scum or town for D2,maybe i should look more in D3 i guess so)

I should rest now

also,i would't vote now.and sound like D2 with no lynch btw

-[Jess]- wrote:

(I think someone was lying about it but it doesn't matter for who was
lying)

What makes you think someone was lying?