It's a stupid thing to get scumread for yeah, but against Setsuen, apparently anything can get you scumreadNavizel wrote:
I don't even care. It's just ridiculous.
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MBomb
I did not scumread Ace for making a joke post, it's infinitely stupid trying to dumb it down like that.
ISO dive:
Pieguy - nullscum. He hasn't posted much, but voted Slaini while playing a little game with us to guess the reason, seems to be RVS, but it might actually be a reason, and I see no reason why it should be hidden. Not confident enough in this to vote, but still sus, hence his placement here.
Setsuen - null. I haven't seen his other games, but I've seen posts about his previous games where he posts similar walls that are long and go off of random things. Really paranoid, but claims Miller really early on, not really sure of what kind of tell this could be, probably not a good lynch for today, maybe tomorrow or the day after.
MB - nulltown, is having an ongoing discussion with setsuen atm, so at the time of this post thatshitstorm discussion hasn't ended. She hasn't been playing to her scum meta, which is lurky and only posts occasionally, and skated past suspicion the entire game in Hoenn. She's much more active here, and because of that I have been townreading, her ongoing discussion with Setsuen has some weird parts, especially where she goes from townreading setsuen to voting him. This is why she's currently nulltown instead of full town. Truth be told, she only has a scum meta, haven't seen a (finished) town game from her yet, so no meta to really townread from, only to not scumread from. If you catch my drift with that, might seem weird.
Amianki - nullscum. One of my weaker nullscum reads, he hasn't posted much so, much like pieguy, whether or not he is scum is tentative, as in it could change soon.
rEdo - null. Lurkfuck/away. Not a lot of posts to go off of, so the alignment could be either or.
Navizel - nulltown. Hasn't had alot of posts as of this post, but they seem townie questions from my point of view.
Haneii - null, slightly leaning scum. ISO is basically only setup spec from what I see. Apparently tangoed with Setsuen, but I just see filler posts that only speculate setup when it really isn't all that important right now. Probably my weakest nullscum reads out of anyone else.
Slaini - nulltown - I don't see the scumminess here, ISO seems normal, DV slipped really early, but afterwards his posts are confusing but he tries to explain him to the best of his ability, much like every game he's been in.
Zexion - nulltown, voted on me, but I assume wanted to put pressure on me, I had low post count at the time and even those posts were lacking, so there's good reason for it. Doesn't fill his walls with fluff like in his recent scum game. Looks town to me, but hasn't posted recently (at the time of this)
farto - null. Lurkfuck/away, hasn't posted in nearly 40 hours, and basically has nothing worthy of reading. Could be town, but no posts to go off of.
Frosting - nulltown, he questions Slaini a bit, and wants to put a lot of pressure
Drezi - nulltown. as stupid as his vote is against me, he's still probably town. I've seen no real scummy things from him that stand out, and from this, I have no real reason to scumread him.
At the time of this post, the pagecount is at 22, and this is the most recent post.
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This took me longer than I thought it would tbh. And yes, before anyone asks about this I am very conscious of the fact that all of my reads are null. I haven't hard scum read anyone on any game I've ever been in that wasn't a reaction test, and it's not going to suddenly mean anything special here.
Meta reads are plentiful here, MS has influenced me.
Pieguy - nullscum. He hasn't posted much, but voted Slaini while playing a little game with us to guess the reason, seems to be RVS, but it might actually be a reason, and I see no reason why it should be hidden. Not confident enough in this to vote, but still sus, hence his placement here.
Setsuen - null. I haven't seen his other games, but I've seen posts about his previous games where he posts similar walls that are long and go off of random things. Really paranoid, but claims Miller really early on, not really sure of what kind of tell this could be, probably not a good lynch for today, maybe tomorrow or the day after.
MB - nulltown, is having an ongoing discussion with setsuen atm, so at the time of this post that
Amianki - nullscum. One of my weaker nullscum reads, he hasn't posted much so, much like pieguy, whether or not he is scum is tentative, as in it could change soon.
rEdo - null. Lurkfuck/away. Not a lot of posts to go off of, so the alignment could be either or.
Navizel - nulltown. Hasn't had alot of posts as of this post, but they seem townie questions from my point of view.
Haneii - null, slightly leaning scum. ISO is basically only setup spec from what I see. Apparently tangoed with Setsuen, but I just see filler posts that only speculate setup when it really isn't all that important right now. Probably my weakest nullscum reads out of anyone else.
Slaini - nulltown - I don't see the scumminess here, ISO seems normal, DV slipped really early, but afterwards his posts are confusing but he tries to explain him to the best of his ability, much like every game he's been in.
Zexion - nulltown, voted on me, but I assume wanted to put pressure on me, I had low post count at the time and even those posts were lacking, so there's good reason for it. Doesn't fill his walls with fluff like in his recent scum game. Looks town to me, but hasn't posted recently (at the time of this)
farto - null. Lurkfuck/away, hasn't posted in nearly 40 hours, and basically has nothing worthy of reading. Could be town, but no posts to go off of.
Frosting - nulltown, he questions Slaini a bit, and wants to put a lot of pressure
Drezi - nulltown. as stupid as his vote is against me, he's still probably town. I've seen no real scummy things from him that stand out, and from this, I have no real reason to scumread him.
At the time of this post, the pagecount is at 22, and this is the most recent post.
anything after this is not included.Setsuen wrote:
What gives you the idea that I would be dumb enough to HEAVILY bus my partner D1? and even if I did why aren't you mentioning YOURSELF as possible scum buddy or Haneii? Did you even read my ISO? bc a town would but a scum who is randomly commenting sure won't.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If Setsuen is scum, I get the idea that Ace Timing will also be scum, because of that very obvious bussing, but for now I think there is a better lynch.
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This took me longer than I thought it would tbh. And yes, before anyone asks about this I am very conscious of the fact that all of my reads are null. I haven't hard scum read anyone on any game I've ever been in that wasn't a reaction test, and it's not going to suddenly mean anything special here.
Meta reads are plentiful here, MS has influenced me.
lol shit happened while I was diving, time to read, 3 extra pages.
Was reading 4 pages of this while I got prod 
Actually I read actively the last day, but I am just too overstained (overstrained[?]) with Setsuen. I was so suspicious of him and his way of posting and then everybody is like "That's just Setsuen".
Could anybody explain to me what "That's just what Setsuen does all the time" means before I take this into consideration?
Actually I read actively the last day, but I am just too overstained (overstrained[?]) with Setsuen. I was so suspicious of him and his way of posting and then everybody is like "That's just Setsuen".
Could anybody explain to me what "That's just what Setsuen does all the time" means before I take this into consideration?
MBomb
As far as I can see, Setsuen's tactic is just that. Whether he's town or scum, his aim seems to be to overstrain people until they give up and stop even fighting with him or just make a mistake and instantly jump on it, whilst twisting the words of the person he's arguing with to make it more likely they'll make a mistake.sLaiNi wrote:
Was reading 4 pages of this while I got prod
Actually I read actively the last day, but I am just too overstained (overstrained[?]) with Setsuen. I was so suspicious of him and his way of posting and then everybody is like "That's just Setsuen".
Could anybody explain to me what "That's just what Setsuen does all the time" means before I take this into consideration?
You do know the only reason why MB can't lurk anymore is bc she has to respond to me everytime she types something suspicious right? I mean the only reason she is posting like 5X times more than she usually do is bc of Haneii who tried to direct me to OTHER suspicious people who happened to be MB and MB tried to respond back which started the long chain of post in the first place.Ace Timing wrote:
ISO dive:
MB - nulltown, is having an ongoing discussion with setsuen atm, so at the time of this post thatshitstormdiscussion hasn't ended. She hasn't been playing to her scum meta, which is lurky and only posts occasionally, and skated past suspicion the entire game in Hoenn. She's much more active here, and because of that I have been townreading, her ongoing discussion with Setsuen has some weird parts, especially where she goes from townreading setsuen to voting him. This is why she's currently nulltown instead of full town. Truth be told, she only has a scum meta, haven't seen a (finished) town game from her yet, so no meta to really townread from, only to not scumread from. If you catch my drift with that, might seem weird.
Pro-tip: you don't have to read all the walls.
This has been said many times but walls are counter-productive. Most of his walls can be summarized.
This has been said many times but walls are counter-productive. Most of his walls can be summarized.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.16
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
Ace Timing (2) - Zexion, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
Ace Timing (2) - Zexion, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
GREAT! Summarise ALL my walls for me if you can Navizel.Navizel wrote:
Pro-tip: you don't have to read all the walls.
This has been said many times but walls are counter-productive. Most of his walls can be summarized.
Fuck off. I have better things to do.
you probably mean to say:sLaiNi wrote:
Actually I read actively the last day, but I am just too overstained (overstrained[?]) with Setsuen.?
Actually I read actively yesterday but I am justoverwhelmed by Setsuen.
I shouldn't even be the one who should be summarizing your fucking walls.
Like whining about my walls instead of posting your reads?Navizel wrote:
Fuck off. I have better things to do.
Absolutely.
MBomb
I'm not a she Ace Timing and Setsuen please :^(Setsuen wrote:
You do know the only reason why MB can't lurk anymore is bc she has to respond to me everytime she types something suspicious right? I mean the only reason she is posting like 5X times more than she usually do is bc of Haneii who tried to direct me to OTHER suspicious people who happened to be MB and MB tried to respond back which started the long chain of post in the first place.Ace Timing wrote:
ISO dive:
MB - nulltown, is having an ongoing discussion with setsuen atm, so at the time of this post thatshitstormdiscussion hasn't ended. She hasn't been playing to her scum meta, which is lurky and only posts occasionally, and skated past suspicion the entire game in Hoenn. She's much more active here, and because of that I have been townreading, her ongoing discussion with Setsuen has some weird parts, especially where she goes from townreading setsuen to voting him. This is why she's currently nulltown instead of full town. Truth be told, she only has a scum meta, haven't seen a (finished) town game from her yet, so no meta to really townread from, only to not scumread from. If you catch my drift with that, might seem weird.
I'm not a she Ace Timing and Setsuen please :^(Irrelevant filler post :^)
MBomb
Setsuen wrote:
GREAT! Summarise ALL my walls for me if you can Navizel.Navizel wrote:
Pro-tip: you don't have to read all the walls.
This has been said many times but walls are counter-productive. Most of his walls can be summarized.
Mafiascum wiki wrote:
One of the more obscure WIFOMproducts®, the WIFOMnuke™ is also our only product officially licensed for use in the UMSC (United Mafia Scum Corps). Not available to the public sector, WIFOMnuke™ is capable of delivering a highly concentrated blast of nuclear-charged WIFOMparticles™ into the area directly surrounding your target. The real-time effects on target areas which have received a direct hit from a WIFOMnuke™ have been thoroughly studied countless times, and each time, the utter destruction wreaked by the sheer amount of concentrated WIFOMparticles™ has been determined to be disastrous. Due to public outcry, this weapon has been classified as a level 4 WMD by the Psychological Operations sector, and as such, the manufacture and sale of each particular warhead must be processed through strict regulations and multiple levels of procedural protocol.
Could've sworn you said otherwise in Hoenn but w/e.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I'm not a she Ace Timing and Setsuen please :^(
One day I am going to mod a game where people have to say Ït"instead of he or she and whoever says he/she will lose -1Hp until they get KOed. Just you wait.
Except Haneii hasn't been saying anything for some time? I must say his disengage from my 1v1 was 10/10- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Also surely I'd start arguing with Haneii, not you, in that case?
At this point we're all doing it until scum Haneii decide to say something.Navizel wrote:
Irrelevant filler post :^)
@Ace
Sakura is a moderator. So I suppose she's the strict regulation. She allowed me in. Therefore I win and I get to lynch who I want bc I being disaster to scum. The end.
Sakura is a moderator. So I suppose she's the strict regulation. She allowed me in. Therefore I win and I get to lynch who I want bc I being disaster to scum. The end.
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If I do end up getting lynched, lynch Drezi first, then Frostings, then Setsuen.
Interpretation 1: Lynch Drezi before Frostings if Magic Bomb gets lynched, and this doesn't require Frostings not being lynched. In this case, Drezi takes priority over Frostings, and this is what I assumed and replied to, and this doesn't make sense.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
No, I'm saying if I get lynched (Not if he [Frostings] doesn't, idk where you got that idea).
Interpretation 2: Lynch Drezi before Frostings if Magic Bomb gets lynched, unless Frostings hadn't gotten lynched yet, in which case Lynch Frostings first, which is in contradiction with you saying, "lynch Drezi, then Frostings".- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If anyone else who isn't Frostings got lynched, I would still say to lynch him before you.
MBomb
Honestly I've confused myself at this stage, I don't understand my own english properly.Drezi wrote:
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If I do end up getting lynched, lynch Drezi first, then Frostings, then Setsuen.Interpretation 1: Lynch Drezi before Frostings if Magic Bomb gets lynched, and this doesn't require Frostings not being lynched. In this case, Drezi takes priority over Frostings, and this is what I assumed and replied to, and this doesn't make sense.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
No, I'm saying if I get lynched (Not if he [Frostings] doesn't, idk where you got that idea).Interpretation 2: Lynch Drezi before Frostings if Magic Bomb gets lynched, unless Frostings hadn't gotten lynched yet, in which case Lynch Frostings first, which is in contradiction with you saying, "lynch Drezi, then Frostings".- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If anyone else who isn't Frostings got lynched, I would still say to lynch him before you.
MBomb
that's what happens when you type a flurry of one-liners as fast as you can.
If the lurkers are scum, they're probably looking at us right now and laughing.
MBomb
So who was Setsuen bussing, Magic Bomb? I'm getting the impression it's you who means something else under the term...
MBomb
I am pretty sure scum can ONLY BUS their own scum partner and not town. How does scum even bus town.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I was saying he was scum who was pretending to be bussing me, in an obvious way.
Oh also I'm trying to say bussing a lot, you'll understand why at some point.
I suggest everyone look closely into Haneii's ISO right now and then vote him just for disengaging from 1v1 and directing my attention away from him and onto others. Of course let me also mention that he has NOT stated who his "Just one other person atm," was when he responded to drezi.
Are you claiming to be a Bus Driver, Magic Bomb?
And yeah, lol town can't be bussed.
And yeah, lol town can't be bussed.
MBomb
When I said you were pretending to be bussing me, I meant that you were accusing me, but in a very obvious way (Without many legitmate points, and so on).Setsuen wrote:
I am pretty sure scum can ONLY BUS their own scum partner and not town. How does scum even bus town.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I was saying he was scum who was pretending to be bussing me, in an obvious way.
Oh also I'm trying to say bussing a lot, you'll understand why at some point.
I suggest everyone look closely into Haneii's ISO right now and then vote him just for disengaging from 1v1 and directing my attention away from him and onto others. Of course let me also mention that he has NOT stated who his "Just one other person atm," was when he responded to drezi.
Also, I'm assuming you misinterpretted Haneii and assumed he was talking about me as his one other person?
MBomb
MBomb
When I said you were pretending to be bussing me, I meant that you were accusing me, but in a very obvious way (Without many legitmate points, and so on).- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I suggest everyone look closely into Haneii's ISO right now and then vote him just for disengaging from 1v1 and directing my attention away from him and onto others. Of course let me also mention that he has NOT stated who his "Just one other person atm," was when he responded to drezi.
Also, I'm assuming you misinterpretted Haneii and assumed he was talking about me as his one other person?[/quote]
Haneii asked me to input my opinion on others bc I stated that I could probably find a reason to scum read everyone due to my paranoia I proceeded to do so with you and Ace.
His one other person was NOT mentioned and is isn't even connected to why I scum read you in the first place.
Unvote
Vote:Haneii
Can we just do this.
I think Sakura hates bus drivers and wouldn't give one to town.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.17
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
and I think you're avoiding commenting on Haneii way too muchDrezi wrote:
I think Sakura hates bus drivers and wouldn't give one to town.
MBomb
And I think you won't be telling me who to push or talk about. I don't have a strong opinion so far.
Vote Haneii and push him. Lets go. Just trying to avoid fighting a 1v1 with me is good reason enough to lynch him.Drezi wrote:
And I think you won't be telling me who to push or talk about. I don't have a strong opinion so far.
Stop right there.Setsuen wrote:
Just trying to avoid fighting a 1v1 with me is good reason enough to lynch him.
So is everyone in this game some sort of PR? There's not only Slaini as DV, but Setsuen as Miller and MB as Bus Driver.
You're just jealous that scums are too afraid to 1v1 for a extended fight.
Miller = PR you wot.Ace Timing wrote:
So is everyone in this game some sort of PR? There's not only Slaini as DV, but Setsuen as Miller and MB as Bus Driver.
well its not vanilla.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.18
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
MBomb
Or scum questioning if everyone is a PR.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
You essentially just admitted you're a PR too.
@MB Yeah, my PR isn't investigative so scum won't really have a reason to, yours is much more dangerous for them.
EDBWOP:
@MB Yeah, my PR isn't investigative so scum won't really have a reason to NK me, yours is much more dangerous for them.
@MB Yeah, my PR isn't investigative so scum won't really have a reason to NK me, yours is much more dangerous for them.
how about you stop soft claiming your roles for no reason. as town it's bad..
Is there seriously like 10 pages of this in the past couple of hours?
For fuck's sake.
For fuck's sake.
I'm going to be busy for the rest of the week as well, catching up to this point would have taken some time and I don't really have it. Asking for a replacement.
Whatever, we'll just worry about that tomorrow. What lynch are you guys thinking of; there's only 48 hours left. The more suspicious ones aren't here.
what's not going to help?
Topic Starter
Searching for a replacement for fartownikfartownik wrote:
I'm going to be busy for the rest of the week as well, catching up to this point would have taken some time and I don't really have it. Asking for a replacement.
Vote Count 1.19
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Ace Timing
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
ah shit.
>looks at replacement queue
I am fartownik's lawyer. I demand that Sakura place fartownik's vote on Haneii.
I don't understand why people are claiming just to get towncred
or so people won't vote them
I guess the joke would've worked better if I actually got the role right.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Move along, nothing to see here.
uh
afk'd for a few hours and came back to like 10 pages of posts. Most of it is just useless back-and-forth too
10/10 crumbing
Really think telling us your role was gonna help you from getting lynched?
afk'd for a few hours and came back to like 10 pages of posts. Most of it is just useless back-and-forth too
ugh, that townslipAce Timing wrote:
So is everyone in this game some sort of PR? There's not only Slaini as DV, but Setsuen as Miller and MB as Bus Driver.
... -facepalm-- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Oh also I'm trying to say bussing a lot, you'll understand why at some point.
10/10 crumbing
Really think telling us your role was gonna help you from getting lynched?
Well, if they're more suspicious, and they literally aren't posting, then why aren't you already voting for them?Ace Timing wrote:
Whatever, we'll just worry about that tomorrow. What lynch are you guys thinking of; there's only 48 hours left. The more suspicious ones aren't here.
Also I really like how MB is so sure that I'm scum 
The reason apparently is from only one post of mine (where I vote him)
The reason apparently is from only one post of mine (where I vote him)
What's going on
Since when people claim D1 without a proper strategy
You're basically giving mafia knowledge of all the powers we had agaist them if you were town and we didn't even get to use them
why
Since when people claim D1 without a proper strategy
You're basically giving mafia knowledge of all the powers we had agaist them if you were town and we didn't even get to use them
why
What was the Frostings case again, if anyone would be so kind as to summarize it, I don't see anything that frostings did that was scummy.
this tbhZexion wrote:
What's going on
Since when people claim D1 without a proper strategy
You're basically giving mafia knowledge of all the powers we had agaist them if you were town and we didn't even get to use them
why
might as well claim Deathproof JOAT Alien Neighbor with someone who isn't in the game amirite guys
Unvote
I am seriously pissed off with both Ace and MB for claiming like that. You were not even on L-1 or a situation where you had to.
@Navi: You're not in position to accuse of "irrelevant filler posts" >_>
Actually after this point I could not bring myself to read more walls.
@Setsuen: is your only reason to vote Haneii the fact that he "avoided a 1vs1 with you" as you said before?
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My problems right now are again the lack of content from rEdo, pie, Slaini and Haneii who dissapeared after a while. Then again I think it's not the time for a lurker lynch...
I'll second ace and ask for the reasons why ppl are voting Frostings.
I am seriously pissed off with both Ace and MB for claiming like that. You were not even on L-1 or a situation where you had to.
@Navi: You're not in position to accuse of "irrelevant filler posts" >_>
"We Need a Fifth" :^)Setsuen wrote:
Also >Still trying to say lynch to me on D1 after my past games 10/10
Is this serious? The WIFOM you're giving us, the town is hurting a lot more than you think. Now we have to worry about a possible scum claiming D1 and even if we reach LyLo and also you being town, we insta-lose. (As you said before, if you reach LyLo alive we lynch you and it's done) So please refrain for stating your opinions as a fact, they're not.Setsuen wrote:
No sane town is going to vig me. The amount of WIFOM I GIVE to SCUM is helping town more than it hurts them.
Because I was on my freaking phone and I wouldn't post like that? I will decide when it's time for me to contribute and participate in the discussion, not when you demand me. Please also desist from this attitude, people do not have to play the way you want to so you can say they're "town".Setsuen wrote:
I see Zexion browsing on this forum. I expect response or we policy lynch him for purposely lurking esp with the HUGE discussion we're having right now.
Actually after this point I could not bring myself to read more walls.
@Setsuen: is your only reason to vote Haneii the fact that he "avoided a 1vs1 with you" as you said before?
YES. THANK YOU.Ace Timing wrote:
Setsuen wrote:
GREAT! Summarise ALL my walls for me if you can Navizel.Mafiascum wiki wrote:
One of the more obscure WIFOMproducts®, the WIFOMnuke™ is also our only product officially licensed for use in the UMSC (United Mafia Scum Corps). Not available to the public sector, WIFOMnuke™ is capable of delivering a highly concentrated blast of nuclear-charged WIFOMparticles™ into the area directly surrounding your target. The real-time effects on target areas which have received a direct hit from a WIFOMnuke™ have been thoroughly studied countless times, and each time, the utter destruction wreaked by the sheer amount of concentrated WIFOMparticles™ has been determined to be disastrous. Due to public outcry, this weapon has been classified as a level 4 WMD by the Psychological Operations sector, and as such, the manufacture and sale of each particular warhead must be processed through strict regulations and multiple levels of procedural protocol.
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My problems right now are again the lack of content from rEdo, pie, Slaini and Haneii who dissapeared after a while. Then again I think it's not the time for a lurker lynch...
I'll second ace and ask for the reasons why ppl are voting Frostings.
Funfact: in the middle of writing that last post I mispressed backspace at a bad time, went back a page and lost all I had written. 
The annoying thing is, I'm pretty sure Setsuen is town this game. It's easier to tell for sure once a few game days have passed.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.20
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (3) - rEdo, Ace Timing, Zexion
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
rEdo (1) - fartownik
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (3) - rEdo, Ace Timing, Zexion
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
MBomb
ok let's do this at 5am when I'm tired af because this is obviously the best time to do it.
I know I'm gonna sound like Setsuen here, but this really doesn't help town any way, it just seems like you wanting to appear to be being helpful when really you're just pointing out obvious stuff that everyone knows. Also the fact that stuff had been going on here before the post (The beginning of me and setsuen talking, as well as a brief moment talking with Zexion, and with Ace Timing, and even Drezi responding to you) but instead of reacting to any of that, you say this.Frostings wrote:
man, the content in this game sucks
town better step it up so we can start pressuring real lurkers and stop them from getting a free pass D1
The vote count is also trash, scum intentionally has the votes spread out so we don't pressure anyone
Best reason for voting I've ever seen. Whether it was me or not, I would still be like wtf at this vote reason. Also at this stage most people already had taken their RVS votes off, and those who hadn't also hadn't done a proper post in ages, so I don't think this is the only thing you should request them to do.Frostings wrote:
everyone take out your weak post-RVS votes and form a real wagon so we can actually move this game forward
I actually have a real reason for my vote on MB because EVERYONE townread him since the start of Day1 in the last game, and he got a free pass to endgame because he wasn't pressured ONCE
Again, idc if it's me, the wording of "easy scumread" is just so suspicious I can't even comment on it. Especially seeing as at this point, I hadn't really said anything that people were even suspicious for me about, the fact that he claims I was an easy scumread seems so off to me.Frostings wrote:
Anyways, everyone hop on my wagon against easy scumread MB
I have free cookies
MBomb
MBomb
I missed the fact that after this, you don't try to bring out lurkers in any of your other posts (As did no one, to be honest, other than Setsuen, someone should have probably tried to get them earlier. As he said, if the lurkers are scum, they must be laughing at us right now).- Magic Bomb - wrote:
ok let's do this at 5am when I'm tired af because this is obviously the best time to do it.I know I'm gonna sound like Setsuen here, but this really doesn't help town any way, it just seems like you wanting to appear to be being helpful when really you're just pointing out obvious stuff that everyone knows. Also the fact that stuff had been going on here before the post (The beginning of me and setsuen talking, as well as a brief moment talking with Zexion, and with Ace Timing, and even Drezi responding to you) but instead of reacting to any of that, you say this.Frostings wrote:
man, the content in this game sucks
town better step it up so we can start pressuring real lurkers and stop them from getting a free pass D1
The vote count is also trash, scum intentionally has the votes spread out so we don't pressure anyone
MBomb
Also Setsuen, I asked for this before, but could I request this please?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
could we just have a list of the most suspicious to least? Then we can just ask if we want to know the reasonings for your suspicions on a specific person.
Oh, by the way, I want you to include reasons, but preferably summarised ones. Then we can ask if we want more details about any read.
Apparently people DON'T know this, because literally every game I play here, no one bothers putting any pressure on Day1 and we always end up mislynching someone's terribad scumread or from a 1v1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I know I'm gonna sound like Setsuen here, but this really doesn't help town any way, it just seems like you wanting to appear to be being helpful when really you're just pointing out obvious stuff that everyone knows.
Look where we're at now too, DL is less than two days which isn't a lot of time. Though now the activity went up since the beginning of the day
Man, it's like you've never heard of pressure before. You know how town actually win games? Not just through PR, but by voting on null reads and fishing for reactions. I seem to have gotten quite a reaction from you- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Best reason for voting I've ever seen. Whether it was me or not, I would still be like wtf at this vote reason. Also at this stage most people already had taken their RVS votes off, and those who hadn't also hadn't done a proper post in ages, so I don't think this is the only thing you should request them to do.
This reasoning has no weight to it. Speak for yourself, you're absolutely convinced I'm scum, and you're actually 100% serious about it- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Again, idc if it's me, the wording of "easy scumread" is just so suspicious I can't even comment on it. Especially seeing as at this point, I hadn't really said anything that people were even suspicious for me about, the fact that he claims I was an easy scumread seems so off to me.
going back on your words now that the heat's on you?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Honestly, in my mind, I thought I had more stuff about Frostings, but looking through his ISO, he's only actually had 23 posts, there's not much to judge him on.
It's a reminder to everyone to start posting. If they continue to lurk, we just lynch them day2 for free scumflips. No need to worry about that. Nice change of subject though, by the way- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I missed the fact that after this, you don't try to bring out lurkers in any of your other posts (As did no one, to be honest, other than Setsuen, someone should have probably tried to get them earlier. As he said, if the lurkers are scum, they must be laughing at us right now).
I'm catching up now. I'm like halfway through this and I see a bunch of people asking me about my original vote on sLaiNi. it was entirely because of this:
it's obviously a weak as hell reason to vote someone at this point in the game (I don't think sLaiNi is scum anymore btw), but it was like the second page of the game so there it was.
I'm probably just gonna post a bunch of thoughts after I'm current again.
it read overly self-conscious. that was literally the entire reason behind it.sLaiNi wrote:
Forgot to say: Yeah, finally start
it's obviously a weak as hell reason to vote someone at this point in the game (I don't think sLaiNi is scum anymore btw), but it was like the second page of the game so there it was.
I'm probably just gonna post a bunch of thoughts after I'm current again.
Topic Starter
-[Jess]- replaces fartownik, effective immediately
Vote Count 1.21
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
rEdo (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (3) - rEdo, Ace Timing, Zexion
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - sLaiNi, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-3]
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Navizel
rEdo (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Not Voting (3) - rEdo, Ace Timing, Zexion
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
MBomb
Actually, I still think you're the best lynch, it's just there's less than I thought there was.Frostings wrote:
going back on your words now that the heat's on you?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Honestly, in my mind, I thought I had more stuff about Frostings, but looking through his ISO, he's only actually had 23 posts, there's not much to judge him on.
Town:
Setsuen: don't ask me to explain this in depth bc I've basically skimmed all of his posts, but I think there's a conviction in his reads that reads town (one thing OTOH I can think of was him pushing Haneii for "trying to avoid the hard 1v1 with me" - it's incredibly dumb, but if I squint I can kinda sorta see why someone would think it makes sense). I don't actually think anything he did came off as forced or like scum just BS'ing reads to appear like they're doing shit, either. most of what I *did* see in his posts falls into a similar vein in that it's entirely wrong, but I could see why he'd believe it. I think the miller claim also points to him being town here.
Ace: I'm reading his giant rant from earlier as really town. the reasons he was being wagoned, from what I remember, were fairly bad and/or playstyle related and I can see why he'd break down and get pissed off over it.
Haneii: this read is based on her early game posts; I liked that she put a considerable amount of legwork into looking at the Nightingale setup and trying to relate it to here (see her post about the D4 doublevoter in that game) in that it's not something I'd expect scum to give much of a shit about whereas I *can* see it coming from town who thinks setup breaking would be a good way to move the game away from RVS.
rEdo: I don't think this looks similar to his scum game - in 100% OJ 2, I remember a lot of his posts making a lot of neutral observations in order to appear like he was doing something when he really wasn't, here his posts come off a lot more direct and pointed tonally. as a specific point, I liked the last sentence of his most recent post where he attempts to argue against all the people being suspicious of Ace's rant.
Maybe Town:
sLaiNi: I liked his attitude early game where he essentially said "fuck it, I get scum read for posting a lot but I'll do it anyway bc it's more fun to actually play the game". after that, I liked him calling out Frostings in response to the "forced double vote slip" (he is correct to say that there really wasn't any benefit to doing it as scum).
Null:
Magic Bomb: a lot of mixed feelings here. I'm really fond of his recent posts, namely the recent analysis re: Frostings, but I'm not sure if any of it is really unfakeable. Drezi's point about Bus Driver probably not being a town role in a Sakura game is also something I want to look into at some point.
Ank
Zexion
Frostings
fandwerik
Scum (W->S):
Drezi: I'm seeing a lot of nitpicking on semantics and logical issues without much attempt to analyze motivation. I didn't like that when Ace had that giant rant earlier he handwave dismissed it as an "overreaction" without actually making any attempt to factor it into his read. it read like he thought "ATE = scummy" would be a good angle to push without actually analyzing the post objectively, so there it was. I didn't like the push on Magic Bomb for a few reasons. claiming someone is "probably town", but "suspicious" isn't actually a contradiction or something that is in any way scummy, and him focusing on it felt like he was stretching to find a "contradiction" to comment on in order to look like was doing something; and I didn't like the later push based around his Setsuen read for a similar reason, all it's indicative of is that his read changed (as opposed to him making up a read for ... some reason). nowhere in either of these pushes does he consider *why* scum vs. town would do the things he's calling either of them out for, which is what makes it feel disingenuous to me.
Navizel: there is very little Navizel has done this game that I've actually liked. there's a lot of surface observations, but it feels more like he's just commenting on stuff out of convenience and there's no internal consistency anywhere. I don't *actually* know where his current reads on the game stand.
Setsuen: don't ask me to explain this in depth bc I've basically skimmed all of his posts, but I think there's a conviction in his reads that reads town (one thing OTOH I can think of was him pushing Haneii for "trying to avoid the hard 1v1 with me" - it's incredibly dumb, but if I squint I can kinda sorta see why someone would think it makes sense). I don't actually think anything he did came off as forced or like scum just BS'ing reads to appear like they're doing shit, either. most of what I *did* see in his posts falls into a similar vein in that it's entirely wrong, but I could see why he'd believe it. I think the miller claim also points to him being town here.
Ace: I'm reading his giant rant from earlier as really town. the reasons he was being wagoned, from what I remember, were fairly bad and/or playstyle related and I can see why he'd break down and get pissed off over it.
Haneii: this read is based on her early game posts; I liked that she put a considerable amount of legwork into looking at the Nightingale setup and trying to relate it to here (see her post about the D4 doublevoter in that game) in that it's not something I'd expect scum to give much of a shit about whereas I *can* see it coming from town who thinks setup breaking would be a good way to move the game away from RVS.
rEdo: I don't think this looks similar to his scum game - in 100% OJ 2, I remember a lot of his posts making a lot of neutral observations in order to appear like he was doing something when he really wasn't, here his posts come off a lot more direct and pointed tonally. as a specific point, I liked the last sentence of his most recent post where he attempts to argue against all the people being suspicious of Ace's rant.
Maybe Town:
sLaiNi: I liked his attitude early game where he essentially said "fuck it, I get scum read for posting a lot but I'll do it anyway bc it's more fun to actually play the game". after that, I liked him calling out Frostings in response to the "forced double vote slip" (he is correct to say that there really wasn't any benefit to doing it as scum).
Null:
Magic Bomb: a lot of mixed feelings here. I'm really fond of his recent posts, namely the recent analysis re: Frostings, but I'm not sure if any of it is really unfakeable. Drezi's point about Bus Driver probably not being a town role in a Sakura game is also something I want to look into at some point.
Ank
Zexion
Frostings
fandwerik
Scum (W->S):
Drezi: I'm seeing a lot of nitpicking on semantics and logical issues without much attempt to analyze motivation. I didn't like that when Ace had that giant rant earlier he handwave dismissed it as an "overreaction" without actually making any attempt to factor it into his read. it read like he thought "ATE = scummy" would be a good angle to push without actually analyzing the post objectively, so there it was. I didn't like the push on Magic Bomb for a few reasons. claiming someone is "probably town", but "suspicious" isn't actually a contradiction or something that is in any way scummy, and him focusing on it felt like he was stretching to find a "contradiction" to comment on in order to look like was doing something; and I didn't like the later push based around his Setsuen read for a similar reason, all it's indicative of is that his read changed (as opposed to him making up a read for ... some reason). nowhere in either of these pushes does he consider *why* scum vs. town would do the things he's calling either of them out for, which is what makes it feel disingenuous to me.
Navizel: there is very little Navizel has done this game that I've actually liked. there's a lot of surface observations, but it feels more like he's just commenting on stuff out of convenience and there's no internal consistency anywhere. I don't *actually* know where his current reads on the game stand.
vote: Navizel
I want to start here for the time being. in the meantime, I'd like if someone could attempt to sell me on one of the leading wagons.
I want to start here for the time being. in the meantime, I'd like if someone could attempt to sell me on one of the leading wagons.
That game had only 4players noob.Zexion wrote:
"We Need a Fifth" :^)
bc clearly you're very sure town will mislynch very fast onto lylo and that no PR can ever clear me.Zexion wrote:
Is this serious? The WIFOM you're giving us, the town is hurting a lot more than you think. Now we have to worry about a possible scum claiming D1 and even if we reach LyLo and also you being town, we insta-lose. (As you said before, if you reach LyLo alive we lynch you and it's done) So please refrain for stating your opinions as a fact, they're not.
Other than totally disengaging from my 1v1, he also 1.Tried to direct my attentions to others(Oh look that is what scum CB did in Lupus), 2.Literally started lurking once he did(oh wait Nav did this before,shocking) and of course 3.he tunneled hard on me before all this(just like what scum CB and Nav did in Lupus) and 4.Once he did disengage his post towards me started being more ""neutral"(which was what Sephibro pulled off and what CB tried to do but failed in the end in Lupus)Zexion wrote:
@Setsuen: is your only reason to vote Haneii the fact that he "avoided a 1vs1 with you" as you said before?
Haneii>Ace>Drezi>MB>Jess>rEdo>pieguy>Frosting>slani>Navizel>Amianki>Zexion- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Also Setsuen, I asked for this before, but could I request this please?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
could we just have a list of the most suspicious to least? Then we can just ask if we want to know the reasonings for your suspicions on a specific person.
Oh, by the way, I want you to include reasons, but preferably summarised ones. Then we can ask if we want more details about any read.
Haneii and Ace are obvious
Drezi is just getting way too suspicious bc she is literally purposely avoiding any interaction with Haneii.
I already stated a whole chain why you can be scum be association if Ace flips scum.
Jess,Pie,rEdo not enough post thanks lurkers.
Frosting post as I stated in a WAYY earlier post generally lean town except for some USELESS sentences.
slani gave off a newb town vibe after he got MINOR pressurized
Navizel is probably noob town trolling like what I did in that horrible game where half the players were lurking(and obv I lost bc thanks town for deciding to ML)
Amianki might have very little post but I know CB well enough to give him a huge town read until he messes up anyway.
Zexion is the best town read I have atm bc he is actually trying to do something ABOUT THE LURKERS, that and he probably isn't afraid to 1v1 me as town so meh.
I am just going to say read my above reads on Navizel and blame the lurkers and tbh Drezi isn't the kind of person to troll so it really is weird why she is avoiding the topic whenever I mention Haneii to her.pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: Navizel
I want to start here for the time being. in the meantime, I'd like if someone could attempt to sell me on one of the leading wagons.
pieguy1372 wrote:
Drezi: nowhere in either of these pushes does he consider *why* scum vs. town would do the things he's calling either of them out for, which is what makes it feel disingenuous to me.
So your main scumread Navizel is based on having no internal consisteny and my MB push is disingenious with almost indentical reasons..pieguy1372 wrote:
Scum (W->S): Navizel: commenting on stuff out of convenience and there's no internal consistency anywhere.
Should ever MB flip scum you're jumping to the top of my scumlist..