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_WinRAWR
got my hopes up that the tiebreaker was HW's diff D: that would have been so cool
Xilver15
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Lanturn
Great stuff.

Just a reminder for everyone. If a NAT2015 version of a map doesn't import properly, delete the original mapset and drop the song's .osz from the zip in manually.
_WinRAWR

Lanturn wrote:

Great stuff.

Just a reminder for everyone. If a NAT2015 version of a map doesn't import properly, delete the original mapset and drop the song's .osz from the zip in manually.
yeah. the only map i had a problem with was kakushigoto
Lach

Xilver wrote:

Why would you pick such a gimmicky map for the tiebreaker...
In hindsight, it's pretty fucking cruel, but at the time it seemed like a good idea. Sorry :/
_WinRAWR
streams go 3-3-3 gotta alternate starting finger between each segment lol
Yarissa
_WinRAWR and I are scheduling a (tentative to change) match on 5 PM CST Sunday
Lach
I'm still trying to figure out why kakushigoto and the senya song don't import correctly. The thing they have in common with anesthesia from last round is the storyboard having its own folder, which has to be the problem when merging. No more SB folder I guess.

If you want, before importing, open the .osz with winrar or your archival application of choice, and delete the SB folders from those two packages.
Azer
PLEASE change the tiebreaker.

02:37:162 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - nearly EVERY player is going to fail this part
uzzi
Am I the only one that thinks the tiebreker for round 3 is fine?
_WinRAWR

Azer wrote:

PLEASE change the tiebreaker.

02:37:162 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - nearly EVERY player is going to fail this part

what are you talking about? i've fc'd that literally every run if you hit them as doubles. i think the tiebreaker should stay imo its fine if players know how to hit certain parts
Lanturn

Kairi vs KevEz

NAT2015: (CF14) vs (CF57)
Group CF - Losers Round 2
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17025841

Match 1: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3298748

Match 2: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3298755

Match 3: Kairi wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3298767

Match 4: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3298772

Match 5: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3298798

Score 4-1 for KevEz
JappyBabes

Azer wrote:

02:37:162 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - nearly EVERY player is going to fail this part
that's a pretty nice meme dude
Lanturn
Hey guys. We have a match in about 50 mins, if any R2 or LR1/2 wants to play after, that would be awesome! Hopefully we can get 2 or 3 matches today.
VINXIS
confirmed w. graysilverz we're playin sunday but at same time as stated b4 k
0120
0120 vs (kitteh→Keepo→)Natalia
Round 3
Monday MORNING AT 1 EST (10PM sunday Pacific time, imma be so sleepy)
So do I really have to go against like one of the most consistent and well rounded player :c
Oh yea, we will need a ref!
YodaSnipe
I don't see any matches for Friday. Can I take the day off?
Floks
I would love to play my bottom bracket match, but after 2 weeks, Callum and Genolo have yet to play.

Edit: And to be honest, it's pretty stupid to sign up if you're not going to play. Every year is like this, and I think that there should be penalties to those who do not schedule and play in a reasonable amount of time. Like banning them from the next years NAT.
pooptartsonas
pooptartsonas vs. Azer
Saturday, June 27th at 4pm EST
captin1
any word from nitro? seems like he's not interested in playing
Toy
He never signed up. He's been away this whole time. Who decided it would be better to verify by not saying anything instead of responding by saying that yes you signed up yourself?
Topic Starter
MMzz

[Toy] wrote:

He never signed up. He's been away this whole time. Who decided it would be better to verify by not saying anything instead of responding by saying that yes you signed up yourself?
He did sign up. His first round opponent dropped out.
Toy
Did you ever manage to get a response from him directly?
Lanturn

Azer vs pooptartsonas

NAT2015: (AW1) vs (AW16)
Group AW - Round 3
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17091340

Match 1: Azer wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3312046

Match 2: Azer wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3312063

Match 3: Azer wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3312076

Match 4: Azer wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3312102

Score 4-0 for Azer
Floks
Wheeee, third round matches happening, bottom bracket first round still not happening.
YodaSnipe

Floks wrote:

Wheeee, third round matches happening, bottom bracket first round still not happening.
My thoughts exactly.
Toy
Are we going to postpone R3 matches again to let the loser bracket catch up?
YodaSnipe
we already did Azer vs pooptartsonas R3 match lol
Topic Starter
MMzz
This is my fault for being too lenient, because I want everyone to have the chance to play. I'm very sorry.

When we catch up, any matches not scheduled or played before the start of the next round will be disqualified. Signing up means you agreed to schedule your matches. If you can't do that, I'm not being nice anymore. There will be no excuses after this.

Here is how we're gonna catch up: ROUND 3 of BOTH BRACKETS must be DONE by July 10th. Any matches left unscheduled at this date will cause both players to be DQ'd (Unless one player is completely absent while the other is trying to schedule)
EDIT: ROUND 1 LOSER BRACKET HAS UNTIL MONDAY JUNE 29th TO FINISH THEIR MATCHES. (Unless already scheduled)

As always, inform me on if your opponent won't respond and such. Provide proof. (screenshots, PM's, etc) And I will handle it. And if you have already scheduled your match for a date past the ones above you can still play that day because you are already scheduled.

For the round 4 top bracket (quarterfinal) like last year I want to stream all of these matches on a set schedule. So we will work together on scheduling a set time so a stream can be done properly. (same for the semifinals and finals)

Loser bracket won't be streamed (officially), Only the third place match.
YodaSnipe

MMzz wrote:

For the round 4 top bracket (quarterfinal) like last year I want to stream all of these matches on a set schedule. So we will work together on scheduling a set time so a stream can be done properly. (same for the semifinals and finals)
I got a mini chub from reading this. 8-)


MMzz wrote:

Loser bracket won't be streamed (officially), Only the third place match.
I assume I can still unofficially use the tourney client to stream the lower bracket if I have free time.
Topic Starter
MMzz

YodaSnipe wrote:

I assume I can still unofficially use the tourney client to stream the lower bracket if I have free time.
Absolutely. I want the top bracket matches to have set times so people know when to tune in!
Toy

MMzz wrote:

This is my fault for being too lenient, because I want everyone to have the chance to play. I'm very sorry.

When we catch up, any matches not scheduled or played before the start of the next round will be disqualified. Signing up means you agreed to schedule your matches. If you can't do that, I'm not being nice anymore. There will be no excuses after this.

Here is how we're gonna catch up: ROUND 3 of BOTH BRACKETS must be DONE by July 10th. Any matches left unscheduled at this date will cause both players to be DQ'd (Unless one player is completely absent while the other is trying to schedule)
EDIT: ROUND 1 LOSER BRACKET HAS UNTIL MONDAY JUNE 29th TO FINISH THEIR MATCHES. (Unless already scheduled)

As always, inform me on if your opponent won't respond and such. Provide proof. (screenshots, PM's, etc) And I will handle it. And if you have already scheduled your match for a date past the ones above you can still play that day because you are already scheduled.

For the round 4 top bracket (quarterfinal) like last year I want to stream all of these matches on a set schedule. So we will work together on scheduling a set time so a stream can be done properly. (same for the semifinals and finals)

Loser bracket won't be streamed (officially), Only the third place match.
Thanks for this.
Lanturn
Looks like matches today are:

3pm (6pm) _WinRAWR vs Kaoru
7pm (10pm) VINXIS vs. GraySilvers
10pm (1am) 0120 vs Natalia

I think that's everyone..,. Remember, LR1 only has until the end of tomorrow to finish your matches!
Azer
Hey, callum is currently in japan and cannot play, his flight back is today and he will be available to play anytime tuesday. http://i.imgur.com/LSzsWox.png
same deal for shunsui but i dont know when hes available to play
Ritzeh
Ritzeh vs Dusk- xElectroGH

July 3rd 5th - 12pm noon (pdt) / 3pm (edt)

dlkfglljgkjlgfhfgh
Lanturn

Kaoru vs _WinRAWR

NAT2015: (BA2) vs (BA50)
Group BA - Round 3
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17116397

Match 1: _WinRAWR wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317082

Match 2: Kaoru wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317098

Match 3: Kaoru wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317120

Match 4: Kaoru wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317135

Match 5: Kaoru wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317155

Score 4-1 for Kaoru
Lanturn
Can Someone ref vinxis and graysilvers? I'm a bit busy and I'll probably end up being late at my current pace. Thanks o/
Shiro-
Shiro- vs iDanny
Tuesday June 30, 8 pm EST
need ref
VINXIS
rip match
0120

VINXIS wrote:

rip match
I was planning to help out but I didn't see you online at 10PM EST, was I wrong on the time? If so I'm very sorry :c
Lanturn

VINXIS vs GraySilvers

NAT2015: (BX58) vs (BX39)
Group BX - Losers Round 1
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17120817

Match 1: GraySilvers wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317927

Match 2: GraySilvers wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317941

Match 3: VINXIS wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317947

Match 4: VINXIS wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317956

Match 5: GraySilvers wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317963

Match 6: GraySilvers wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3317976

Score 4-2 for GraySilvers

*edit* oops. Score was 4-2, not 4-0
auroraflow12
NAT2015 Round 3 (Group AY):
Natalia(AY4) vs 0120(AY20)
MP Info: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17121904

(mp links and osu screenshots will probably last for one month due to server stress/overload or something that peppy said)

Please forgive me! I forgot to use default skin D:

Match 1: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3318112
Natalia wins! 1-0

Match 2: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3318128
Natalia wins! 2-0

Match 3: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3318134
0120 wins! 2-1

Match 4: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3318144
Natalia wins! 3-1

Match 5: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3318153
Natalia wins! 4-1


Moving on to Round 4,
The winner is Natalia! 4-1
Xilver15
To Sage:

I'm currently on vacation in California and will come back July 4th at night. I'll have time to have our match anytime between July 5th - July 10th. Currently limited on Internet so respond back to me through PM or reply to this post when you want to schedule or if you already have a set time. Thanks!
0120
Even though I'm out of the upper bracket I enjoyed the game so far!
I would really like to thank YodaSnipe though for letting me realize the real purpose of the tournament, lower bracket here I come~
Topic Starter
MMzz

Azer wrote:

Hey, callum is currently in japan and cannot play, his flight back is today and he will be available to play anytime tuesday. http://i.imgur.com/LSzsWox.png
same deal for shunsui but i dont know when hes available to play
Shunsui is in round 2 LB so he is fine.

Has Callum made contact with his opponent?
Topic Starter
MMzz
Important post about the tournament schedule. I'm double posting.

What the stream schedule is going to be like. (Will be updated on the OP when we have set match times)


The week in between Round 5 and the Finals will be used to finish the loser bracket until it's final because it has a handful of matches that need to be done over the week. There will be a set schedule for Round 6 and beyond of the Loser bracket. So if you make it that far, prepare to play multiple matches throughout the week. (There are 9 matches that week. Max you will play 4 matches, if you win every single match you play.)

There will be more updates soon!
Azer
Not as far as I know, but anytime his opponent wants to play tuesday is fine for him
darklord142
Hey guys, i managed to be able to play in losers bracket so i was wondering where i could contact bittles, i can;t seem to find his name, i think he might have changed it?
Lanturn

darklord142 wrote:

Hey guys, i managed to be able to play in losers bracket so i was wondering where i could contact bittles, i can;t seem to find his name, i think he might have changed it?
https://osu.ppy.sh/u/Xtra
Topic Starter
MMzz
All these damn name changes.
YodaSnipe

MMzz wrote:

All these damn name changes.
At least you don't have to cast it XD
_WinRAWR
yeah those name changes sure are annoying
YodaSnipe

_duderawr wrote:

yeah those name changes sure are annoying
. . .
Lanturn
Peppy is gonna be able to afford his jet in no time because of NAT.
Broccoly
Broccoly vs TrickMirror 9pm EST (8pm cst) tomorrow (tuesday)
Yuudachi-kun

Lanturn wrote:

Peppy is gonna be able to afford his jet in no time because of NAT.
I bet his jet will have miku on it.
_WinRAWR

Lanturn wrote:

Peppy is gonna be able to afford his jet in no time because of NAT.
YodaSnipe

Broccoly wrote:

Broccoly vs TrickMirror 9pm EST (8pm cst) tomorrow (tuesday)
Holy shit hype, this is going to be an epic matchup!
Topic Starter
MMzz
Round 1 has been finished off now.

10 Days to finish up Round 2/3 of LB and Round 3 of the Top bracket.

Tell me ASAP if you cannot contact your opponent.
Lanturn
Just a note: I'll be busy with work for another 3 or 4 hours. I probably won't be able to ref the earlier matches today. If someone else could that'd be great.
YodaSnipe
Revised schedule for today

Shiro- vs iDanny
Tuesday June 30, 8:00 pm EST

TrickMirror vs Broccoly
Tuesday June 30, 8:30 pm EST
Ciao
Not going to be here for the rest of the tournament (going on vacation), resigning now :P

good luck mithew :D
YodaSnipe
What happened to Canozo?
Andrew
Andrew vs [ BJ ] - Round 2 Loser's Bracket
Sunday, July 5th : 4PM PST/ 6PM CST
Toy
[Toy] vs. Valentine-
Friday (3rd) at 3 PST (5 CST)
Seeking ref.
Corim
NAT2015: (CH42) vs (CH29)

MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17162555

Match 1: iDanny wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326707

Match 2: iDanny wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326715

Match 3: iDanny wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326722

Match 4: Shiro- wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326744

Match 5: Shiro- fails!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326753

Match 6 (REMATCH): iDanny wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326779

Winner: iDanny
Lanturn

Broccoly vs TrickMirror

NAT2015: (AX8) vs (AX24)
Group AX - Round 3
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17163267

Match 1: Broccoly wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326847

Match 2: TrickMirror wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326855

Match 3: Broccoly wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326873

Match 4: TrickMirror wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326885

Match 5: Broccoly wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326896

Match 6: Broccoly wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3326919

Score 4-2 for Broccoly
YodaSnipe
I think everyone should give some kudos to iDanny and TrickMirror for allowing rematches in their respective matches. Great sportsmanship!
darklord142
darklord142 vs Mlaw22 @ 8PM EST 7/1/15, looking for a ref.
Floks
Since Callum can only communicate through Azer, I suppose I'll try it. HEY AZER, CAN YOU ASK CALLUM WHEN HE WANTS TO PLAY?
Lanturn
darklord142 didn't show up for his match. Sent a message 10 minutes before the match started without any luck. I don't really think rescheduling is favorable considering darklord posted the match time about 10 hours ago, Though I'll leave it up to MMzz to decide.

SS with Mlaw: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3330887
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17184725
Message sent prior to the match: http://puu.sh/iK53U.png
Lanturn
Just want to mention one more thing. You guys in LR2 should know that you might have to play 2 matches before July 10th. I highly suggest you get them done by Sunday (5th) so you and your opponent will have a few days to prepare for LR3.

Another note: LR3 plays Round 2 maps. So if you win in LR2, make sure to keep practicing R2 maps!
YodaSnipe
My ISP is having a mental breakdown atm, so it doesn't look like I can stream any matches today. Hopefully this will be resolved by tomorrow for [Toy]'s match.
Te Amo
Losers bracket really needs to pick up the pace,
Lanturn
So far I have
Ritzeh/Electro at 12 (3)
Toy/Valentine at 3 (6)

If I missed anyone else let me know. and if anyone wants to play today, be sure to post here. I'd love to get LR2 done this weekend!
Lanturn
Electro didn't log in and Ritzeh was afk so I couldn't get a hold of either of them. If you guys do plan on rescheduling, please actually make sure you're online and ready to go.

If anyone can't make it to their matches or a reschedule is needed, please give us as much of a notice as possible. It's really unfair to the referees & streamers who are online, ready to do your match, only to have one or both players not show up. Even if it's an hour or two before it, fine. It means we don't have to sit around for 30 mins waiting for nothing.


Anyways, It'd be great if we can have a few more matches today, either before or after Toy/Valentine's match in 3 hours. Ritzeh/Electro, if you can reschedule your match around Toy/valentine, that'd be great.
Lanturn

Valentine- vs [Toy]

NAT2015: (BB7) vs (BB10)
Group BB - Round 3
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17227919

Match 1: [Toy] wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3339235

Match 2: [Toy] wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3339252

Match 3: [Toy] wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3339263

Match 4: Valentine- wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3339295

Match 5: [Toy] wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3339312

Score 4-1 for [Toy]
Topic Starter
MMzz


Shunsui moves onto round 3 of the loser bracket.
YodaSnipe

MMzz wrote:



Shunsui moves onto round 3 of the loser bracket.
Will Shunsui make it through the entire lower bracket on default wins? Stay tuned this week to find out if KevEz's life will allow this matchup!
Te Amo

YodaSnipe wrote:

MMzz wrote:



Shunsui moves onto round 3 of the loser bracket.
Will Shunsui make it through the entire lower bracket on default wins? Stay tuned this week to find out if KevEz's life will allow this matchup!
Match will either be tomorrow morning or Sunday
Lach


This is the round 4 map pool but I really don't have time to duplicate the difficulties, package everything and format the post tonight. I don't think the fourth round officially starts until the 10th, so no rush.

Here's the maps if you want to play them between now and whenever I get around to it.

Te Amo
Shunsui vs KevEz
11:30 EST Today, (1 hour, 40 minutes from now)
EDIT: Moved back to 2:00 pm EST,
m1ts
glad to see we have meme in the map pool
Illkryn
still salty i wasnt allowed in smh
Toy
holy heck it's meme

KevEz vs Shunsui

NAT2015: (CU57) vs (CU41)
Group CU - Round 3 Lower Bracket
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17247270

Match 1: KevEz wins!
http://puu.sh/iNdag/b5d758f9ee.jpg

Match 2: Shunsui wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3342982

Match 3: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343000

Match 4: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343014

Match 5: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343033

Score 4-1 for KevEz
YodaSnipe
CANADA WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY~
Mlaw
darklord142 vs Mlaw22 @ 7PM EST 7/4/15, looking for a ref. RESCHEDULE.
m1ts
mithew vs Smoothie World
7:30pm EST Today
need ref
Te Amo
KevEz vs 0120
Sunday (Tomorrow) 11:00AM EST (Deemed to change)
auroraflow12
NAT2015: Mlaw22(CJ18) vs darklord142(CJ60)
Round 2 Loser's Bracket (Group CJ):
MP Info: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17252441

(mp links and osu screenshots will probably last for one month due to server stress/overload or something that peppy said)

Warm up picks:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/665663 (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343876) Mlaw won.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/635679 (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343887) Mlaw won.

Match 1: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343904 (Mlaw22 came through with the screenshot because osu! crashed on me. Sorry!)
darklord142 wins! 0-1

Match 2: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343920
darklord142 wins! 0-2

Match 3: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343932
Mlaw22 wins! 1-2

Match 4: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343956
darklord142 wins! 1-3

Match 5: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3343965
darklord142 wins! 1-4

Moving on to Round 3, Loser's bracket,
The winner is darklord142! 1-4

and so people don't get confused for loser's bracket:
http://puu.sh/ivVZR/7b06262c9f.png
auroraflow12
NAT2015: Smoothie World(CT32) vs mithew(CT49)
Round 3 Loser's Bracket (Group CT):
MP Info: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17253338

(mp links and osu screenshots will probably last for one month due to server stress/overload or something that peppy said)

Warm up picks:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/114389 (forgot screenshot) mithew won.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295647 (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344018) mithew won.

Match 1: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344040
mithew wins! 0-1

Match 2: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344050
Smoothie World wins! 1-1

Match 3: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344056
Smoothie World wins! 2-1

Match 4: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344062
Smoothie World wins! 3-1

Match 5: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344070
Smoothie World! 4-1

Moving on to Round 4, Loser's bracket,
The winner is Smoothie World! 4-1

and so people don't get confused for loser's bracket:
http://puu.sh/ivVZR/7b06262c9f.png
Some1
NAT2015: Round 2 Loser's Bracket (Group CS)
- [ U z z I ] - (CS54) vs -Ekik- (CS33)
MP Info.: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17255087

Match 1: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344353
- [ U z z I ] - wins! 1-0

Match 2: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344365
-Ekik- wins! 1-1

Match 3: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344384
- [ U z z I ] - wins! 2-1

Match 4: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344393
- [ U z z I ] - wins! 3-1

Match 5: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3344408
- [ U z z I ] - wins! 4-1

Score 4-1 for - [ U z z I ] -!
VINXIS
Can i ref i wanna ref
Floks
Still waiting on a response from Callum, will PM MMzz I guess.
Lanturn

0120 vs KevEz

NAT2015: (DC20) vs (DC57)
Group DC - Losers Round 4
MP: https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/17266756

Match 1: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3346559

Match 2: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3346588

Match 3: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3346605

Match 4: KevEz wins!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3346631

Score 4-0 for KevEz
0120
Since now I am done with my NAT I wanna help out as an referee so if anyone needs me just PM me in-game or something :3
Xilver15
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Ritzeh
is there anyone from the nat staff online that is available to ref right now? :c
[ BJ ]
I will ref Ritzeh vs. xElectroGH - (BD6) vs. (BD11) 12:00PST (right now)
darklord142
VINXIS your memes will overwhelm anyone who joins your lobby to ref for an NAT match, I don't think it's a good idea for you to ref xddd
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