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[-Cloud-]
438 posts
Joined June 2013
[-Cloud-]
It has nothing to with being elitist. People are asking questions every 3 days about "how to", while there are 2 stickys where you can read about that kind of stuff.
Also, you're new to the game and you still suck a massive dick at it, face it. Once you faced that fact, you can start working up your way. Basics are: Reading, Sense of rhytmn, accuracy and combo. Once you mastered this Basics for easier diffs, you can start up on insanes.

I jumped into insanes within 2 days and I got a shitton of bad habits, including mashing, awful reading and extremely bad accuracy on everything. Some of them are still existing.


Also:

Dexus wrote:

A couple tricks to get over a 'wall' in skill progression is asses what you can and can't do and push what you can do well as far as you can, try taking a long break to forget bad habits/rest up, try practicing a different aspect of the game (in example if you're gunning for streaming ability but just can't progress, try practicing aim training until you get stuck again), start over in terms of difficulty and attempt to 're-learn' the game to see if there are minor things you can improve upon as you progress, try different styles if you're in pain or discomfort from anything you're doing. Slow down your movements and think clearly as to what all you're doing to make sure you're doing things right. I can honestly keep writing more, but I feel like this is enough and better than saying 'play more' like a mindless sheep.
A huge thanks, I just take that for myself. I never seen "getting over the wall" from this perspective.
byfar
1,186 posts
Joined July 2014
byfar
I understand that you are a perfectionist.

However, the thing about this game is that there is no REAL shortcut to being good/perfect at the game. So I perfectly understand your frustration at not getting things quickly as I can relate.

Understand that players that play more and GET (learn) more from what they do are better than players who play the same amount and don't get as much from those plays (aka playing maps useless for improving like songs 2 layers above your skill level).

So either up your play time and do some real practice (while not doing those nofail/D rank/70% acc C rank maps cuz those waste your time)
or just progress slowly like many other players (they are fine about this and just enjoy the game how it is). This game requires time and dedication, and I'll state it again: being good is fucking hard. It ain't easy.
Frc
356 posts
Joined July 2014
Frc

uberpancake wrote:

Read it as stay gay pony and big money first. I died a little. Then I realized that he was probably talking about 2 regular insanes and not 2 of the hardest popular maps that exist.

As for practicing streams the spreadsheets earlier linked are good practice, and for general tips make sure to go back and full combo easier maps every once in a while (atleast).

I think he is talking about the Normal/Hard diff of Big Money and the map "Pony Swag" isn´t that crazy Blue Dragon map.
cheezstik
1,005 posts
Joined October 2013
cheezstik
Just keep in mind that the skill gap between people can be unimaginable, so for example, if everyone were an elitist, there would be like maybe 4 players ever that have no one to look down on them. The best you can do is remember that you will never be at the top, there will always be someone to look down on you, and maybe when the time comes, you can have a laugh and look down on other people making dumb posts saying they're way above the basics when they still have a 6 digit rank. We're all noobs here (except the 3 digit no-life neckbeards, fuck them huehue).

Anyway, you seem to be taking the game pretty seriously, best advice I can give is just chill out a bit, and play for fun. Multiplayer usually helps this, instead of grinding for pp / ranks, you get to feel the satisfaction and glory of #rekking others, and even if the song is too easy for you (doubtful at this point), you'll still be improving consistency and accuracy somewhat as you play.
nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl

cheezstik wrote:

(except the 3 digit no-life neckbeards, fuck them huehue)
but cheez i shave my neckberd y u hav be so hurt my feeling
Sojana
35 posts
Joined September 2014
Topic Starter
Sojana

cheezstik wrote:

Just keep in mind that the skill gap between people can be unimaginable, so for example, if everyone were an elitist, there would be like maybe 4 players ever that have no one to look down on them. The best you can do is remember that you will never be at the top, there will always be someone to look down on you, and maybe when the time comes, you can have a laugh and look down on other people making dumb posts saying they're way above the basics when they still have a 6 digit rank. We're all noobs here (except the 3 digit no-life neckbeards, fuck them huehue).

Anyway, you seem to be taking the game pretty seriously, best advice I can give is just chill out a bit, and play for fun. Multiplayer usually helps this, instead of grinding for pp / ranks, you get to feel the satisfaction and glory of #rekking others, and even if the song is too easy for you (doubtful at this point), you'll still be improving consistency and accuracy somewhat as you play.
I have a bad habbit of taking any game I play to seriously I guess. But yeah, as u said I think it may be a better ideaa to play maps I can follow properly and advance from there, I just don't wanna be stuck with "slow" maps for to long. But I figured that not all 3 star or 4 star maps are same, some "insane" maps seem to be pretty easy compared to others and via versa. I just have problems following AR9 right now, not on all maps tho. AR8 is totaly fine even if the map has a more difficult layout. I rly need a tablet, my mouse sensitivy is kinda high (I still can aim pretty well) but no way to follow some maps, some ppl may be able to do it with a mouse but I don't wanna make stuff unnecessarily harder than it has to be.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
You don't "really" need a tablet. You only need to practice and play more. If your DPI is too high why not just lowering it?
You can't follow some maps because you just aren't good enough yet, nothing to do with using a tablet or a mouse.
cheezstik
1,005 posts
Joined October 2013
cheezstik
I'm not gonna lie to you and say that there will be 0% improvement at this point in time from getting a tablet, but it really won't be worth it and won't help much, as it is most likely not your aim holding you back at this point. There are still other aspects of the game you should improve such as reading, accuracy, speed, finger control etc. that getting a tablet won't necessarily help.

By all means, if you have the money and know you won't be giving up the game, then sure, buy a tablet. Just don't blame your performance right now on your lack of a tablet, cos I'm sure that's not the case.
byfar
1,186 posts
Joined July 2014
byfar

GoldenWolf wrote:

You don't "really" need a tablet. You only need to practice and play more. If your DPI is too high why not just lowering it?
You can't follow some maps because you just aren't good enough yet, nothing to do with using a tablet or a mouse.

cheezstik wrote:

I'm not gonna lie to you and say that there will be 0% improvement at this point in time from getting a tablet, but it really won't be worth it and won't help much, as it is most likely not your aim holding you back at this point. There are still other aspects of the game you should improve such as reading, accuracy, speed, finger control etc. that getting a tablet won't necessarily help.

By all means, if you have the money and know you won't be giving up the game, then sure, buy a tablet. Just don't blame your performance right now on your lack of a tablet, cos I'm sure that's not the case.
tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.
Bauxe
1,624 posts
Joined August 2012
Bauxe

Sojana wrote:

I have a bad habbit of taking any game I play to seriously I guess. But yeah, as u said I think it may be a better ideaa to play maps I can follow properly and advance from there, I just don't wanna be stuck with "slow" maps for to long. But I figured that not all 3 star or 4 star maps are same, some "insane" maps seem to be pretty easy compared to others and via versa. I just have problems following AR9 right now, not on all maps tho. AR8 is totaly fine even if the map has a more difficult layout. I rly need a tablet, my mouse sensitivy is kinda high (I still can aim pretty well) but no way to follow some maps, some ppl may be able to do it with a mouse but I don't wanna make stuff unnecessarily harder than it has to be.
Time to be blunt, since you seem to be the kind of person who (should) be able to take some level of criticism.

You are complete shit. All players start out shit, every single person. People stay shit for a long, long time. A year at least. Tablet won't make you good magically, you can play equally well with a mouse. Problem is, you are being lazy and looking for shortcuts. People don't get good at this game by taking shortcuts, that is a surefire way to 1) hit a wall and get stuck being shit for life or 2) getting banned (because you take idiotic shortcuts).

You are trying to rush past the basics. You don't want to play stuff that is early level, being easy/normal difficulties. You want to be able to beat big black, or maps like that so you can show off. (protip, no one will care, thousands of people have beaten it already).

Play the game, enjoy the game, and maybe, just maybe, if you don't try to take shortcuts and instead focus on improvement, you will someday be good. This isn't a game that takes a few months to become good at, it takes years of practice. You are at 2,000 playcount, stop trying to rush to play 9AR or whatever else. At your level, you should be playing maybe hard-insane maps (I am really not sure). Stay at a pace that works for you, but remember, again, trying to rush ahead will get you no where.

Oh, and you should lower your sensitivity.


Summary:

1) You are shit.
2) You will stay shit if you try to take shortcuts.
3) Tablet won't make you a top-tier competitive player.
4) Playing big black isn't impressive.
5) The game is fun when you don't try to rush, and instead play for enjoyment.
6) Lower your sensitivity.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
I was rank 10k wen i played
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

byfar wrote:

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.
Get out of here instead of spreading shit
Ayesha Altugle
3,052 posts
Joined October 2011
Ayesha Altugle
Do you expect any other answers other than practice and play more?
byfar
1,186 posts
Joined July 2014
byfar

GoldenWolf wrote:

Get out of here instead of spreading shit
why all the salt man

what i' said was based on mere experience.
cheezstik
1,005 posts
Joined October 2013
cheezstik

byfar wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

Get out of here instead of spreading shit
why all the salt man

what i' said was based on mere experience.
You worded it in a way that makes it sound like it is the definite 100% case for everyone. Don't worry, I agree with tablet being easy to learn on and stuff etc., but you should be more cautious, adding imo or in my experience / case usually does this pretty well.

This is what your post looked like:

byfar wrote:

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.
This is what it ideally should've looked like:


byfar wrote:

tablet much better for improvement IMO / in my case.

op wants to improve quickly >> I'd suggest to go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.
Sojana
35 posts
Joined September 2014
Topic Starter
Sojana
Yeah I know I am shit, I know I haven't played this game for long. I know buying a tablet won't make me become better without practising either way, but I think it would be better long term, I don't wanna get used to mouse to much and then getting a headache when switching over.

I am beeing realistic and I know I am nowhere good, hell I never rly said that and if someone thought that, well who gives a shit right? All I asked in the OP is if someone knew some good maps to practise streams, because I suck most at alternating with 2 buttons and wanted to get my second finger to fkn do what I want and not be freezing in the middle of a stream and fkn it up. I can do like 8-9 in a row with a single finger, but I doubt that's gonna help in the long run so I try to get used using 2 buttons.

I never claimed to be the next cookiezi or anything like that, I just play this game for fun. But ppl take "fun" differently, some ppl have fun when they just play a game, some ppl have fun even when they lose, some ppl have fun like me, when they improve and try to get better. Good part about this, I am not forced to slow down, or speed up at any time. I can learn the game on my own curve and when I feel stuck there is no big deal. Also I don't care what other ppl think is impressive or not. I doubt some fkn marathon bike rider will think your 50km a day are impressive, but for yourself it may be a big deal. Everyone has their own opinion. It all depends on experience and what u already archived. So once u get to the point u SS 6-7 Star maps (just for the record) then u won't give a shit about someone SS'ing insane maps, but for that guy it may be still a big deal.

ANYWAY, all I wanted is stated in the OP and I am not here to discuss life. Thanks to everyone who gave their opinion and for hints, I will take it from here.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

GoldenWolf wrote:

byfar wrote:

tablet is much better for improvement.

op wants to improve quickly >> go buy tablet

he can learn ar while improving with tablet.
Get out of here instead of spreading shit
I 2nd this.

Also, while most people use low dpi, there are players (even ones who click for single tapping) who use upwards of 3600dpi and do just fine. Dpi should match your mouse grip but if you have a good grip for it, high dpi is fine. That said, I never got good at mouse before trying out a tablet and ended up deciding it was more fun sucking at tablet than sucking at mouse.

I think the main struggle with mouse likely comes from finding the right grip/dpi etc. I'd imagine with proper settings etc there's probably not much of a difference in rate of improvement. I wouldn't say either one is better than the other, though I believe more people enjoy playing with tablet for what its worth.
Blanky
135 posts
Joined October 2013
Blanky

Bauxe wrote:

Sojana wrote:

I have a bad habbit of taking any game I play to seriously I guess. But yeah, as u said I think it may be a better ideaa to play maps I can follow properly and advance from there, I just don't wanna be stuck with "slow" maps for to long. But I figured that not all 3 star or 4 star maps are same, some "insane" maps seem to be pretty easy compared to others and via versa. I just have problems following AR9 right now, not on all maps tho. AR8 is totaly fine even if the map has a more difficult layout. I rly need a tablet, my mouse sensitivy is kinda high (I still can aim pretty well) but no way to follow some maps, some ppl may be able to do it with a mouse but I don't wanna make stuff unnecessarily harder than it has to be.
Time to be blunt, since you seem to be the kind of person who (should) be able to take some level of criticism.

You are complete shit. All players start out shit, every single person. People stay shit for a long, long time. A year at least. Tablet won't make you good magically, you can play equally well with a mouse. Problem is, you are being lazy and looking for shortcuts. People don't get good at this game by taking shortcuts, that is a surefire way to 1) hit a wall and get stuck being shit for life or 2) getting banned (because you take idiotic shortcuts).

You are trying to rush past the basics. You don't want to play stuff that is early level, being easy/normal difficulties. You want to be able to beat big black, or maps like that so you can show off. (protip, no one will care, thousands of people have beaten it already).

Play the game, enjoy the game, and maybe, just maybe, if you don't try to take shortcuts and instead focus on improvement, you will someday be good. This isn't a game that takes a few months to become good at, it takes years of practice. You are at 2,000 playcount, stop trying to rush to play 9AR or whatever else. At your level, you should be playing maybe hard-insane maps (I am really not sure). Stay at a pace that works for you, but remember, again, trying to rush ahead will get you no where.

Oh, and you should lower your sensitivity.


Summary:

1) You are shit.
2) You will stay shit if you try to take shortcuts.
3) Tablet won't make you a top-tier competitive player.
4) Playing big black isn't impressive.
5) The game is fun when you don't try to rush, and instead play for enjoyment.
6) Lower your sensitivity.
Y u lie? I played for a year and I'm still shit.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Blanky wrote:

Bauxe wrote:

This isn't a game that takes a few months to become good at, it takes years of practice.
Y u lie? I played for a year and I'm still shit.
Reading is hard.
nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl

chainpullz wrote:

Reading is hard.
cough
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Narrill wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

Reading is hard.
cough
Hey now, the subset of people who get good after a year is a proper subset. The point still stands that he was not lying, and that I can read.
nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl
I see no problem with defining it as a subset.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Narrill wrote:

I see no problem with defining it as a subset.
While that's true, defining it as a proper subset is stronger and the only non proper subset of players who have been playing for a year would be every player who has played for a year. Thus, this non-proper subset includes myself and I'm not good at this game so the subset of players who were good at this game after only a year of playing must be a proper.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
zzz
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
Every thread which asks for some sort of guidance turns into a shit storm in the first 10 posts

the first few posts were to demoralise the op and that was over misunderstood information, with no (some) posts actually contributing constructive comments
Green Platinum
2,660 posts
Joined July 2011
Green Platinum
That's to be expected with half a dozen stickies about getting better.
Maybe the new players who come to the forums for help actually have eyesight issues.
AdamMZ
103 posts
Joined December 2013
AdamMZ
Just wanna tell you guys about something. Not only to op, but also to (maybe) all of you.

I started to play Frets On Fire when I was, like, 11... or something. I couldn't find any easy songs, so I just playing around with very, very difficult songs.

You know what happen? 5 years later, I got better. 5 years later, I can get 5 stars.

So, please don't do stuff like that. I just wanna tell you guys about this.
Luna
2,355 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna

Sojana wrote:

I am beeing realistic and I know I am nowhere good

Sojana wrote:

So I've been playing this game for 2 weeks now I think. I play with mouse and I can do jumps on maps like big money or pony swag without to much trouble on insane difficulty
This pretty much proves you are not "being realistic". I'm sorry, but that's just how it is. You might want to read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I'm not trying to be mean, it would just be very beneficial to your improvement to realize that even your "realistic" assessment of your skills is a gross overestimation.
Dainesl
898 posts
Joined May 2012
Dainesl
I think I actually experience that effect but I feel as though I'm the latter person in that example ;; anyways it honestly depends, tablet has some advantages like swifter movement, mouse has some advantages such as better control, there are no shortcuts and tablets actually do take time to get used to, guys, same as mouse. You've only played for two weeks, you're likely not able to do well in your first two weeks, it does actually take a very long time to get good at this game.

I had to spend like a few months before being able to pass Onis on Taiko mode, just like you're likely gonna need to spend a few months before you can pass Insanes on standard mode. Nobody gets elite in the first few weeks or even first few months of anything, if anything it will take a couple years (I once heard that in order to truly master a skill it takes 10,000 hours to do so, which is 4 hours per day, 5 days per week, for almost 10 years) at LEAST to become extremely good at things, like playing instruments. You'll need to master the essential basics and then progress from there.
[-Cloud-]
438 posts
Joined June 2013
[-Cloud-]
I suck and people still say I underestimate myself. What effect is that?
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
you can join the retarded unskilled douchbags society (rods) that i founded right now

you can be the donutboy, who brings delicious donuts to my office

applications are welcome if you suck
[-Cloud-]
438 posts
Joined June 2013
[-Cloud-]
So it's the rods-effect. I will think about joinen the rods. I don't like to be the donutboy though.
nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl

chainpullz wrote:

While that's true, defining it as a proper subset is stronger and the only non proper subset of players who have been playing for a year would be every player who has played for a year. Thus, this non-proper subset includes myself and I'm not good at this game so the subset of players who were good at this game after only a year of playing must be a proper.
You really showed those nits.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

[-Cloud-] wrote:

I suck and people still say I underestimate myself. What effect is that?
I like to call it the "Lewa Effect."
AmaiHachimitsu
1,639 posts
Joined May 2011
AmaiHachimitsu
New players don't need any advice.

Actually the later you will be dependent on others the better.
byfar
1,186 posts
Joined July 2014
byfar

Narrill wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

Reading is hard.
cough
2ez4naril
nrl
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Joined October 2011
nrl
to ez byfar
Synpoo
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Joined August 2013
Synpoo
niceme.me
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