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Amianki
pieguy

why would anyone believe you would be a 1-shot cop?
pieguyn
he asked me if I had anything besides a 1-shot executioner and I claimed I had a 1-shot cop and that I'd be on bubba

and why does that post not contain a vote for Navi?
Amianki
Because I want to solidify my read on you first. Your actions today reek.
pieguyn
1. why would that change anything? seems like you just forgot to vote your scum partner and had to make up some BS excuse to cover it

2. how'd you go from "this is town pie" on D1 to here? literally the only thing you said during my GIF push was "this is town pie". it was fencesitting at its finest and now you're backpedaling on it for no reason
DakeDekaane
wow pieguy, you need to go back and read the game again.

I'm mindlessly sheeping NH because I support him
Vote: Navizel
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

1. why would that change anything? seems like you just forgot to vote your scum partner and had to make up some BS excuse to cover it

2. how'd you go from "this is town pie" on D1 to here? literally the only thing you said during my GIF push was "this is town pie". it was fencesitting at its finest and now you're backpedaling on it for no reason
1. Just because we have a claimed guilty doesn't mean we should end the day immediately.

2. Your attack on GIF looked really similar to how you attack as town, but look at how you've played D2 so far. Your reads make no sense. Your reason for sephibro being town makes no sense. Hell, your entire plan even makes no sense. The way you attacked GIF is closer to your town play, but when I look back at what you actually said, especially now with him flipping town, it makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective. The reason for attacking GIF is ridiculous, you deathtunneled on getting rid of a very strong town role, and now suddenly you have the game all figured out? It smells like shit.
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

1. Just because we have a claimed guilty doesn't mean we should end the day immediately.
1. that literally has nothing to do with my actual point. voting someone immediately != ending the day immediately

on the other hand, since you said there was a claimed guilty, this means you knew there was a claimed guilty and didn't vote for it with only 2 votes on it. seems to me like you didn't think about it bc Navi is your partner


CalignoBot wrote:

2. Your attack on GIF looked really similar to how you attack as town, but look at how you've played D2 so far. Your reads make no sense. Your reason for sephibro being town makes no sense. Hell, your entire plan even makes no sense. The way you attacked GIF is closer to your town play, but when I look back at what you actually said, especially now with him flipping town, it makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective. The reason for attacking GIF is ridiculous, you deathtunneled on getting rid of a very strong town role, and now suddenly you have the game all figured out? It smells like shit.
2. which reads make no sense? and you could have just asked me about my reads if you wanted to know more about them, but instead you claim they make "no sense" without explaining why. nice scumpainting attempt

my read on Sephi makes perfect sense. if he was scum he was obviously rolefishing, but when I claimed PR he didn't do anything about it. they wouldn't go for Tanz over me with the knowledge that I have a 1-shot cop. (if you srsly think it makes no sense, I do have another ability on top of the execute, but there is no point in claiming it)

as for the plan, I would never do this without some sort of backup plan. I don't wanna elaborate exactly what, but there was a real chance of me getting up to 2 scum off this gambit

bolded is a blatant misrep. your entire argument is essentially I deathtunneled on town and that makes me scum which is the same bullshit BOP angle scum tend to push on me to get me mislynched. remember stack the deck where you derailed a scum wagon onto a town one? there is no way you can think this is actually a scumtell given you know firsthand how likely it is for town to fuck up. not only that, but I started deathtunneling BEFORE GIF CLAIMED FULL DAYVIG. your argument that I was deathtunneling to "get rid of a very strong town role" is thus complete BS

none of this explains your massive fencesit either
DakeDekaane
btw, all the whining Sephi did D1 had town motivation, he can't be scum.
DakeDekaane
Also pieguy, explain your first pseudovote on bubba
pieguyn

DakeDekaane wrote:

Also pieguy, explain your first pseudovote on bubba
it was a reaction test to see what Sephi would do in response to my cop "result". he followed along with it which is what I was looking for but at the same time he didn't actually vote bubba. I tried to pursue it a bit after his not-a-real-vote but he had already left so I couldn't get anything more from him.

what's your read on Calingo?
DakeDekaane
Though I could say he has some points about you, specially about the fakeclaim you did, but considering Sephi is town, it's actually a null tell.
About my read on him is clear null, from null-scum yesterday, I'd like to see more from him so I can actually get something from both you and Caligno. The indifference in NH's result is pinging me a bit tho.
Sephibro

DakeDekaane wrote:

btw, all the whining Sephi did D1 had town motivation, he can't be scum.
do you really think i wouldn't abuse that if i were scum?
Topic Starter
Sakura
"Yawn, wow you girls really wake up early, anyways this robot should have been keeping track of the votes so let's see"

Navizel (3) - NoHitter, pieguy1372, DakeDekaane

Not Voting - Sephibro, Navizel, fferyllt, bubbajack8, CalignoBot, Raging Bull

With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch
"Wait... that can't be right"
*klunk* *chink* *klunk* *ding*
"There this should be better"


Navizel (2) - NoHitter, DakeDekaane

Not Voting - Sephibro, Navizel, pieguy1372, fferyllt, bubbajack8, CalignoBot, Raging Bull

With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch
Sephibro
oh btw what's your metal detector thing hitter
fferyllt

fferyllt wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

fferyllt should know something btw

I should?

Flight delays and ahit. 1:30 am. Will check back in the morning.
This still doesn't make sense. What should I know?
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

oh btw what's your metal detector thing hitter
Basically a Gunsmith
Sephibro

fferyllt wrote:

This still doesn't make sense. What should I know?
you should know who targeted you tonight other than me
Navizel

DakeDekaane wrote:

I'm mindlessly sheeping NH because I support him
Vote: Navizel
wat
bubbajack8
Hey Sephi replace out. GiF flipped green.

NoHitter wrote:

Vote: Navizel

Hey guys! I detected metal on Navizel! *ping*
Explain.

pieguy1372 wrote:

ok, revealing my gambit cause I don't think Sephi is here anymore and I don't wanna let a fake guilty run any longer

town: me, ffery, Sephi
null-town: NH, RB

scum: Dake, Caligno, Navi

Sephi and I are a neighborhood. I fakeclaimed 1-shot cop to him in the QT and I didn't die. there's no one else in the neighborhood so I think that should be enough to call him town

ffery, NH, and RB are town. GIF told me he has a lot of experience with bubba and he had him as town. leaving {Dake, Caligno, Navi}

Caligno's response to my GIF push was to do absolutely nothing so I wanna go here first
pseudovote caligno
I'm also in a neighborhood, I also claimed my role. I also didn't die. I assumed neighbor hoods were town.

NoHitter wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

oh btw what's your metal detector thing hitter
Basically a Gunsmith
So you're saying Navi has a gun?

Also Vote: Navi I have strong reason to believe he's scum.
DakeDekaane

Sephibro wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

btw, all the whining Sephi did D1 had town motivation, he can't be scum.
do you really think i wouldn't abuse that if i were scum?
I haven't seen you do that so yeah, I firmly believe this.

Navizel wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

I'm mindlessly sheeping NH because I support him
Vote: Navizel
wat
You should be explaining what is this gun of yours, assuming NH is right.
Navizel
I'm just a mere Jailkeeper.
Navizel

DakeDekaane wrote:

I'm mindlessly sheeping NH because I support him

You should be explaining what is this gun of yours, assuming NH is right.
I thought you're supporting NH? Why the doubt now?
DakeDekaane
Not doubting in any moment, otherwise I'd be implying.

Also, does Jailkeeper have a gun?
bubbajack8

Navizel wrote:

I'm just a mere Jailkeeper.
Really? You may want to re-think everything you're saying right now.
Raging Bull
Prod dodge
Navizel

bubbajack8 wrote:

Navizel wrote:

I'm just a mere Jailkeeper.
Really?
Yes.
Navizel
If you guys don't want to believe me, what can I do? You're all believing NH's metal detector and decided to vote me.
DakeDekaane
I wasn't believing in him if he didn't make it public in D1. I highly doubt scum would do something like that, js.
Sephibro

bubbajack8 wrote:

Hey Sephi replace out. GiF flipped green.
right

requesting replacement

fuck you gif for throwing games - before i get replaced, know im Weak something and i targeted fferyllt last night, so if i wasn't rolebloked she's confirmed town
NoHitter
Mod: Is Jailkeeper among the roles that can be detected by Gunsmith?
IIRC jailkeeper don't have guns.

Mafiascum Wiki wrote:

Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.
Sephibro
im still with you, bitches
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

im still with you, bitches
Hey Sephi don't replace out. Just when you got a townread from me :(
Sephibro
btw, of all these

NoHitter wrote:

Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: CalignoBot
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: DakeDekaane
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: GuyInFreezer
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Navizel
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Nyquill
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Raging Bull
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Sephibro
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Tanzklaue
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: bubbajack8
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: fferyllt
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: pieguy1372
you only got a report on bubba uh?
Sephibro
also, is it a rare detector of metals or a detector of rare metals
because guns aren't made of rare metal
Sephibro
also these bitches don't need guns to kill i suppose
Topic Starter
Sakura

NoHitter wrote:

Mod: Is Jailkeeper among the roles that can be detected by Gunsmith?
IIRC jailkeeper don't have guns.

Mafiascum Wiki wrote:

Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.
Jailkeeper doesn't have guns so they can't be detected by a gunsmith.
Sephibro
just look at what gif did to the poor nyquill
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

btw, of all these

NoHitter wrote:

Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: CalignoBot
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: DakeDekaane
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: GuyInFreezer
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Navizel
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Nyquill
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Raging Bull
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Sephibro
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Tanzklaue
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: bubbajack8
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: fferyllt
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: pieguy1372
you only got a report on bubba uh?
I got told off by the mod that my powers didn't work like that, and I did something else.

I also got Navizel and not bubba.

Also Navizel, can you claim your character?
Sephibro
whoever you got
Raging Bull
so apparently i got an ability. idk what it does yet. I need you guys to PM mod at night to say "I Pray for Sanae" so i can use it. so pls pls pls do it.


Also, if JK can't be detected with metal detector then its 1v1. We lynch Navizel and if it he flips town, then NH.


Also type I pray for Sanae at night to the mod Seriously.
Navizel

NoHitter wrote:

Also Navizel, can you claim your character?
The strongest one.
Navizel
Stronger than NH, stronger than anyone else~
Topic Starter
Sakura
Navizel stands and declares that he's stronger than NoHitter, who of course doesn't back track from such a challenge

For the remainder of the day only Navizel and NoHitter are valid votes.
Votes are reset, plurality lynch is in effect for the remainder of Day 2.


Navizel (0) -
NoHitter (0) -

Not Voting - Sephibro, Navizel, pieguy1372, fferyllt, CalignoBot, Raging Bull, NoHitter, DakeDekaane, bubbajack8

At the end of the day the person with most votes is lynched, or if a player gets 6 out of 10 votes
Raging Bull
This game is whack.
NoHitter
Nazrin
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: I can target a player and know if they have metal within them or not.

I've confirmed with Sakura that I am a gunsmith. My spellcard also has a second condition to it but I'm not outing it yet until Navizel fullclaims.

Also lol Jailkeeper doesn't do that.
NoHitter
This game would have been fun though :(
With dayspellcards and sudden activations, it's definitely more exciting.
DakeDekaane
Uh, my vote is gone, better voting Navizel again.
Vote: Navizel

I smell Cirno. Bets pls.
NoHitter
Oh yeah,
Vote: Navizel
Navizel
I already told what are my PRs. It's up to you if you believe them or not.
NoHitter
I meant claim your character name. geez
Navizel
It should be obvious on my gladiator post that I am Cirno. Then what?

Vote: NH
NoHitter
OK guys, Navizel is definitely scum.
Navizel
Explain.
Raging Bull
Cirno seems to fit well, though i dont understand how can you have metal with JK unless ou are scum
Raging Bull

DakeDekaane wrote:

I smell Cirno. Bets pls.

you win
Raging Bull

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type "I pray for Sanae at night" to the mod Seriously.
give me fucking power. pls guys.
NoHitter

Navizel wrote:

Explain.
Because you're Cirno and not some person like Nitori.
Navizel
Doesn't make sense.
NoHitter

Navizel wrote:

Doesn't make sense.
Perhaps as a further reference in your future games, let's examine how I came to conclude you're scum.

My ability allows me to detect metal on people (Removing the flavor, basically a Gunsmith).
I investigated you meaning that either you are scum or have a power role with a gun.
You claimed Jailkeeper which means you don't have a gun.
You then challenged me to a 1 on 1 fight which is a Gladiator's role even though you claimed Jailkeeper.

tl;dr I got a positive result on you, and you lied about your role.
NoHitter

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type I pray for Sanae at night to the mod Seriously.
Uhh so I PM the mod at Night: "I pray for Sanae"?
Navizel

NoHitter wrote:

You then challenged me to a 1 on 1 fight which is a Gladiator's role even though you claimed Jailkeeper.
Because I'm a jailkeeper with a 1-shot Gladiator.

Afaik every player has two PR and pieguy fakeclaimed a 1-shot cop so it must be true.
Raging Bull

NoHitter wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type I pray for Sanae at night to the mod Seriously.
Uhh so I PM the mod at Night: "I pray for Sanae"?

Yes. At night.

Navizel wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

You then challenged me to a 1 on 1 fight which is a Gladiator's role even though you claimed Jailkeeper.
Because I'm a jailkeeper with a 1-shot Gladiator.

Afaik every player has two PR and pieguy fakeclaimed a 1-shot cop so it must be true.
i dont understand how pieguy fkae claiming 1 shot cop matters. It was directed torwards Sephi.
Navizel
He said he has a 1-shot executioner then he fakeclaimed a 1-shot cop so it is implied that a player can have two PRs.
pieguyn
prod dodge
NoHitter

Navizel wrote:

He said he has a 1-shot executioner then he fakeclaimed a 1-shot cop so it is implied that a player can have two PRs.
I only have one power though.

You're still lying anyway.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Hey... girls... can we please solve this more calmly? eheheheh"
Navizel (2) - DakeDekaane, NoHitter
NoHitter (1) - Navizel

Not Voting - Sephibro, pieguy1372, fferyllt, CalignoBot, Raging Bull, bubbajack8
bubbajack8

Sephibro wrote:

btw, of all these

NoHitter wrote:

Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: CalignoBot
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: DakeDekaane
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: GuyInFreezer
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Navizel
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Nyquill
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Raging Bull
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Sephibro
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: Tanzklaue
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: bubbajack8
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: fferyllt
Search Sign - Rare Metal Detector: pieguy1372
you only got a report on bubba uh?
They got a report on Navi.

Raging Bull wrote:

so apparently i got an ability. idk what it does yet. I need you guys to PM mod at night to say "I Pray for Sanae" so i can use it. so pls pls pls do it.


Also, if JK can't be detected with metal detector then its 1v1. We lynch Navizel and if it he flips town, then NH.


Also type I pray for Sanae at night to the mod Seriously.
Why?

Vote: Navi
fferyllt
Kinda caught up.

Vote Navi
Sephibro
so fferyllt, didn't you receive any report from last night?
Navizel

NoHitter wrote:

Navizel wrote:

He said he has a 1-shot executioner then he fakeclaimed a 1-shot cop so it is implied that a player can have two PRs.
I only have one power though.

You're still lying anyway.
Everything I said so far are true.
Amianki
I'll try to get to the wall sometime today.
DakeDekaane

Navizel wrote:

Everything I said so far are true.
That doesn't remove the fact you're scum.
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

1. Just because we have a claimed guilty doesn't mean we should end the day immediately.
1. that literally has nothing to do with my actual point. voting someone immediately != ending the day immediately

on the other hand, since you said there was a claimed guilty, this means you knew there was a claimed guilty and didn't vote for it with only 2 votes on it. seems to me like you didn't think about it bc Navi is your partner
Okay. Here's the thing. This forum's wagons look to operate on momentum. This has been pretty much proven. What do you think would happen if three people instantly voted someone? Instant hammer. This also gives no information whatsoever on the wagon since it would literally just be whoever got there first. Someone stops the momentum and forces other shit to happen? Hammer gets delayed so this day isn't just a gangbang and nothing else. Scum also can't hide as easily.

The second paragraph doesn't even make sense.

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

2. Your attack on GIF looked really similar to how you attack as town, but look at how you've played D2 so far. Your reads make no sense. Your reason for sephibro being town makes no sense. Hell, your entire plan even makes no sense. The way you attacked GIF is closer to your town play, but when I look back at what you actually said, especially now with him flipping town, it makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective. The reason for attacking GIF is ridiculous, you deathtunneled on getting rid of a very strong town role, and now suddenly you have the game all figured out? It smells like shit.
2. which reads make no sense? and you could have just asked me about my reads if you wanted to know more about them, but instead you claim they make "no sense" without explaining why. nice scumpainting attempt
I'll go into this when I'm not lazy.

[quote="pieguy1372]my read on Sephi makes perfect sense. if he was scum he was obviously rolefishing, but when I claimed PR he didn't do anything about it. they wouldn't go for Tanz over me with the knowledge that I have a 1-shot cop. (if you srsly think it makes no sense, I do have another ability on top of the execute, but there is no point in claiming it)[/quote]

No. Here's why it's bad: You said you were a one-shot cop and claimed your target on top of it. Nothing about any response is alignment-indicative. At all. After what the general consensus about you was after D1, no one would be surprised if you died. Regardless of whether you bluff your target or not, not killing you wouldn't mean shit. This is especially true if they have a way of fucking with cop results.

[quote="pieguy1372":1337]as for the plan, I would never do this without some sort of backup plan. I don't wanna elaborate exactly what, but there was a real chance of me getting up to 2 scum off this gambitI'll believe it when I see it.

pieguy1372 wrote:

bolded is a blatant misrep. your entire argument is essentially I deathtunneled on town and that makes me scum which is the same bullshit BOP angle scum tend to push on me to get me mislynched. remember stack the deck where you derailed a scum wagon onto a town one? there is no way you can think this is actually a scumtell given you know firsthand how likely it is for town to fuck up. not only that, but I started deathtunneling BEFORE GIF CLAIMED FULL DAYVIG. your argument that I was deathtunneling to "get rid of a very strong town role" is thus complete BS
The entire bolded is completely irrelevant. The fact that he was town was a very small factor in what I actually said there. The fact that he had almost certainly the strongest town role in the game is the much bigger factor there. The rest is just trying to use false logic. It would be quite easy to fabricate an excuse to lynch him with that awkward kill, and you completely went apeshit the moment he claimed to be unlimited shot.

BTW, your argument for him having to be scum doesn't even work because in order for him to be able to use his shots, he has to basically work with town in order to use his shots. No competent town in their right mind would let him do otherwise.

pieguy1372 wrote:

none of this explains your massive fencesit either
Do explain.
Sephibro
no way im reading this
Sephibro
also you messed up quotes, you suck
Amianki
It's not hard to read at all. Suck it up.
Sephibro
fix the quotes and MAYBE i'll read it
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

1. Just because we have a claimed guilty doesn't mean we should end the day immediately.
1. that literally has nothing to do with my actual point. voting someone immediately != ending the day immediately

on the other hand, since you said there was a claimed guilty, this means you knew there was a claimed guilty and didn't vote for it with only 2 votes on it. seems to me like you didn't think about it bc Navi is your partner
Okay. Here's the thing. This forum's wagons look to operate on momentum. This has been pretty much proven. What do you think would happen if three people instantly voted someone? Instant hammer. This also gives no information whatsoever on the wagon since it would literally just be whoever got there first. Someone stops the momentum and forces other shit to happen? Hammer gets delayed so this day isn't just a gangbang and nothing else. Scum also can't hide as easily.

The second paragraph doesn't even make sense.

pieguy1372 wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

2. Your attack on GIF looked really similar to how you attack as town, but look at how you've played D2 so far. Your reads make no sense. Your reason for sephibro being town makes no sense. Hell, your entire plan even makes no sense. The way you attacked GIF is closer to your town play, but when I look back at what you actually said, especially now with him flipping town, it makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective. The reason for attacking GIF is ridiculous, you deathtunneled on getting rid of a very strong town role, and now suddenly you have the game all figured out? It smells like shit.
2. which reads make no sense? and you could have just asked me about my reads if you wanted to know more about them, but instead you claim they make "no sense" without explaining why. nice scumpainting attempt
I'll go into this when I'm not lazy.

pieguy1372 wrote:

my read on Sephi makes perfect sense. if he was scum he was obviously rolefishing, but when I claimed PR he didn't do anything about it. they wouldn't go for Tanz over me with the knowledge that I have a 1-shot cop. (if you srsly think it makes no sense, I do have another ability on top of the execute, but there is no point in claiming it)
No. Here's why it's bad: You said you were a one-shot cop and claimed your target on top of it. Nothing about any response is alignment-indicative. At all. After what the general consensus about you was after D1, no one would be surprised if you died. Regardless of whether you bluff your target or not, not killing you wouldn't mean shit. This is especially true if they have a way of fucking with cop results.

pieguy1372 wrote:

as for the plan, I would never do this without some sort of backup plan. I don't wanna elaborate exactly what, but there was a real chance of me getting up to 2 scum off this gambit
I'll believe it when I see it.

pieguy1372 wrote:

bolded is a blatant misrep. your entire argument is essentially I deathtunneled on town and that makes me scum which is the same bullshit BOP angle scum tend to push on me to get me mislynched. remember stack the deck where you derailed a scum wagon onto a town one? there is no way you can think this is actually a scumtell given you know firsthand how likely it is for town to fuck up. not only that, but I started deathtunneling BEFORE GIF CLAIMED FULL DAYVIG. your argument that I was deathtunneling to "get rid of a very strong town role" is thus complete BS
The entire bolded is completely irrelevant. The fact that he was town was a very small factor in what I actually said there. The fact that he had almost certainly the strongest town role in the game is the much bigger factor there. The rest is just trying to use false logic. It would be quite easy to fabricate an excuse to lynch him with that awkward kill, and you completely went apeshit the moment he claimed to be unlimited shot.

BTW, your argument for him having to be scum doesn't even work because in order for him to be able to use his shots, he has to basically work with town in order to use his shots. No competent town in their right mind would let him do otherwise.

pieguy1372 wrote:

none of this explains your massive fencesit either
Do explain.
Amianki
there happy
fferyllt

Sephibro wrote:

so fferyllt, didn't you receive any report from last night?
No. Should I have?
pieguyn

CalignoBot wrote:

Okay. Here's the thing. This forum's wagons look to operate on momentum. This has been pretty much proven. What do you think would happen if three people instantly voted someone? Instant hammer. This also gives no information whatsoever on the wagon since it would literally just be whoever got there first. Someone stops the momentum and forces other shit to happen? Hammer gets delayed so this day isn't just a gangbang and nothing else. Scum also can't hide as easily.

The second paragraph doesn't even make sense.
having 3 rapid votes in no way means an instant hammer. plus there is literally no information to be gained at all from a wagon on a guilty. scum can be literally anywhere on or off the wagon given the target is practically confirmed scum

this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen and feels like an excuse you just made up to justify your slip

the second paragraph makes perfect sense. you didn't put a vote on a guilty when it wasn't even close to being hammered, nor did you react in any way to NH's result, which is one of the most important pieces of information available from a town POV bc it basically confirms someone as scum. you're not paying attention to it bc YOU'RE HIS PARTNER AND KNEW HE WAS SCUM ALREADY

CalignoBot wrote:

No. Here's why it's bad: You said you were a one-shot cop and claimed your target on top of it. Nothing about any response is alignment-indicative. At all. After what the general consensus about you was after D1, no one would be surprised if you died. Regardless of whether you bluff your target or not, not killing you wouldn't mean shit. This is especially true if they have a way of fucking with cop results.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT
universal townread + 1-shot cop = a way better nightkill than Tanz. so if scum knew I had a 1-shot cop, they'd go for me first. that plus the lack of anything particularly scummy he's done is enough to call him town.

CalignoBot wrote:

The fact that he had almost certainly the strongest town role in the game is the much bigger factor there. The rest is just trying to use false logic. It would be quite easy to fabricate an excuse to lynch him with that awkward kill, and you completely went apeshit the moment he claimed to be unlimited shot.
your argument is that I was trying to get rid of the strongest town role. this implies that, when I started tunneling him, I knew he had the strongest role. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE BC HE HAD ONLY CLAIMED 1-SHOT DAYVIG AT THAT POINT

your logic is the one that's false here with your fucked up attempt at BOP arguments. tell me exactly which logic is false. none of it is, so good luck :>

if you seriously believe this
1. tell me how the flying fuck a full dayvig is a possible thing in this setup. after you answer, I'll elaborate if Sakura lets me (and no there is no way in hell the below is a valid argument)
2. WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING WHEN THE PUSH WAS ACTUALLY GOING ON? IF YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVED THIS, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER ME AS SOON AS I WAS PUSHING A "SCUM DAYVIG IS IMPOSSIBLE" ANGLE. BUT INSTEAD YOU JUST SAT BACK AND LET THE LYNCH GO THROUGH. TEXTBOOK SCUM MANEUVER 101

CalignoBot wrote:

BTW, your argument for him having to be scum doesn't even work because in order for him to be able to use his shots, he has to basically work with town in order to use his shots. No competent town in their right mind would let him do otherwise.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
this is complete bullshit. there is literally nothing stopping a scum dayvig from pretending to "work" with town and deliberately shooting town every day. there is no way in hell you are this bad enough to believe a full scum dayvig in a 12p game is in any way shape or form balanced

CalignoBot wrote:

Do explain.
This is town pie.
^ THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY THING YOU POSTED DURING THE WHOLE ENTIRE GIF PUSH. YOU OFFERED NO STANCES ON ANYTHING WHATSOEVER. YOU JUST SAT BACK AND LET IT HAPPEN. AND NOW IT MEANS EVEN LESS BECAUSE YOU BACKTRACKED ON IT FOR NO REASON AT ALL. NOT TO MENTION YOU WENT BACK AND STARTED CRITICIZING MY ARGUMENTS AFTER GIF'S FLIP. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING IT WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY RELEVANT, YOU PROCEEDED TO SIT THERE AND LET EVERYTHING HAPPEN.

tl;dr: your arguments are literally some of the most terribad arguments I've ever seen in my whole entire life. die ~
PSEUDO VOTE CALIGNOBOT
AFTER WE FINISH OWNING THE FUCK OUT OF NAVIZEL YOU'RE NEXT. PREPARE YER ASS BOY
Amianki
I'm not reading that. This wall war is not going to happen again.
pieguyn
@bubba: what are your thoughts on the interactions between me and Calingo?

@RB same question
pieguyn
so in other words you don't have an answer for any of my points

if you're really town (AND THAT'S A BIG FUCKING IF), get to it and convince me my read on you is wrong
pieguyn
also if you didn't want this wall war to happen again why'd you even bother responding in the first place?

seems to me like I was right and you're shutting down our line of communication so you don't get fucked even harder ~
Amianki
Condense it and I'll consider it.
pieguyn
nope. burden of proof is on you. quick acting all stuck up when you're the one who just got fucked up the ass

besides I've already condensed it as much as I can

also why are you making requests to me when you think I'm scum?
Amianki
k, if you will not do it, then see if anyone else wants me to respond to something.

You know as well as I do that responding to walls will only create more walls and just completely stall out the game, so don't start getting a sore butthole that I won't respond to one.
Amianki
I wasn't aware I couldn't request scumreads to do things

guess I learned something today
Raging Bull
oh so this is how it feels when pie and I wall.


ugh let me see here

CB why didn't you vote navizel then? I find it unlikely that there will be you + 2 other people at the same time, voting at the same time, voting the exact same person at the same time, and lastly you needed 6 people to hammer. If you voted in the beginning before Dake voted, you will still need an additional 3 people to hammer.


bubbajack8 wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Also type I pray for Sanae at night to the mod Seriously.
Why?

Vote: Navi
to confirm me as town. You want that don't you?


With that being said, what your current scum read CB?
bubbajack8

pieguy1372 wrote:

@bubba: what are your thoughts on the interactions between me and Calingo?

@RB same question

I'm very confused what this "slip" is....

Raging Bull wrote:

bubbajack8 wrote:

Why?

Vote: Navi
to confirm me as town. You want that don't you?
Of course.
Raging Bull
Apparently CB said that Nav is guilty, but did not vote for him. Then he said that he wanted to see pieguy's reads(I think) before voting for Nav.
DakeDekaane
Why is Navizel still alive? Come on guys, be active pls :(
Raging Bull
eh good enough for me.

Vote:Nav

Also PM Mod I pray for Sanae. I wanna know what I can dooooo
DakeDekaane
I'll do it then.

inb4 RB explodes in a million of pieces.
Topic Starter
Sakura
"Yawn... what's up guys... oh nothing going on I guess"
[L-1] Navizel (5) - DakeDekaane, NoHitter, bubbajack8, fferyllt, Raging Bull
NoHitter (1) - Navizel

Not Voting - Sephibro, pieguy1372, fferyllt, CalignoBot

At deadline, the person with the highest ammount of votes is lynched, or if a person reaches 6 out of 10 votes.
Amianki

Raging Bull wrote:

a. CB why didn't you vote navizel then? I find it unlikely that there will be you + 2 other people at the same time, voting at the same time, voting the exact same person at the same time, and lastly you needed 6 people to hammer. If you voted in the beginning before Dake voted, you will still need an additional 3 people to hammer.


b. With that being said, what your current scum read CB?
a. I already told you. Momentum. People are more likely to hop on a wagon like that when it gets a bunch of votes without any sign of dissent.

b. pieguy + Navizel + ? (not Dake)

Not sure on the third yet.
fferyllt
Sephibro.
NoHitter
Well, since it turned into a plurality lynch, we might as well make use of the fact that Day ends with a lynch regardless of a hammer.

Let's scumhunt second scum with a secondary vote.

Re: Caligno
I can see RB's point and I do think it's suspicious.
If you did indeed think the momentum, why didn't you just say something along the lines of "Guys lets not rush this lynch though" after you commented on my result?
Amianki
Because seeing how I'm confronted about it is a good way to get information as well.
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