IOSYS - Cirno's Perfect Math Class [Taiko|Osu]‬ · forum‬

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Mao 2013-12-21T12:22:44+00:00

Added the Oni to the mapset, thank you very much Dake <3
So, let's find a taiko BAT for this :3

Loctav

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Loctav 2013-12-21T19:22:03+00:00

Okay, since it seems like the Taiko diffs have not been sufficiently revised, I try to throw some general advises to help you finding the right direction.

[General]

Generally, the spread is quite uneven. Honestly, I would try to find a concept, where you slowly introduce the 1/4 into the spread, e.g. starting with semi-simple triplets in the Oni and then show the full level of this song on the Inner Oni.
Unfortunately, I would consider the current spread as uneven and therefore as not really rankable.

[Cdh's Futsuu]

This diff is really fine, but should be revised by more modders anyways.

00:02:785 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - I'd put d k d k d kk. It stays consistent with previous and upcoming patterns and ensures a better readability on easier levels.
00:08:270 (20) - don, keep the rhythm!
00:14:784 (35,36) - k d?
00:19:242 (42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51) - k d k d K ()()()kk please: http://puu.sh/5U1Hk/fa902732b5.jpg . The dddkk pattern is simply an unneeded difficulty spike that can ruin the even difficulty of this Futsuu
00:38:785 (93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101) - this should have the same rhythm as previous patterns. I see no apparant reason why it should be different here?
01:41:870 (10) - don?
01:48:384 (29,30,31,32) - put D k instead? http://puu.sh/5U20m/3550da0c85.jpg
01:54:899 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - same as in 00:38:785 -

[Dekaane's Muzukashii]

I dislike the usage of triplets, but that is just me. Mao told me that you put them to fill the spread, but you somehow oriented yourself more towards the Inner Oni. Overall, it's well mapped, but eh. Maybe I just disliked the way of 1/2 usage.

[Dekaane's Oni]

Oh, you use triplets of the same color quite frequent. While you want to orientate on the Inner Oni, you started to simplify too much here.
Try to base the Oni on more triplets like ddk and dkk, not only ddd or kkk. Try to limit the amount of streams that exceed 4 notes. Try to avoid complicated patterns a bit more.
tl;dr: The Oni is okayish, yet quite monotonue in pattern usage, whereas it tries to be harder to fit the spread with the Inner Oni. If you would enlighten the Oni more, it would fit into the spread way more.

[Cdh's Inner Oni]

To be honest, this appears quite overmapped and overdone to me. But just partially. I think you could enlighten certain parts a bit more, to fit more the spread to the Oni and to be less "hard for being hard". Mapping every noise in the background is not always working. For example 00:16:156 (99,100,101,102) - seems to be an unnecessary triplet for me.
00:46:670 (342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368) - Also this could be done differently, to maybe "stress" the main parts of the melody layer more.
This needs more serious modding to test it for playability and difficulty stability. I believe that this maps looks a bit exaggerated and doesn't really follow the actual pacing of what the song offers. I would enlighten it a bit and "reduce the complexity" of certain patterns and try to increase the readability more. And I'd reduce the amount of 1/4 streams that appear one after another. Try to simplify some patterns and don't try to catch every beat existing. This is not always working. Especially not on this current spread.

Before I can mod the diffs for real, I really like to see more revisions by other Taiko players and modders, especially on the spread and the Inner Oni. Also the Oni should be changed at some point. Pointing out specific patterns make no sense for now. The Futsuu is fine and that's why I could point out minor fixes to it. But the remaining diffs need more work and way more mods. Try to ask yourself, if the patterns are playing well, if the spread is even and stable.

Last edited by Loctav 2013-12-22T13:06:22+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Loctav

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Loctav 2013-12-22T13:06:50+00:00

I need to retreat my opinion on the Muzukashii, tbh, it appeared to be just a personal perference by my side. Edited the above post tho

OnosakiHito

osu!taiko Paragon

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Joined March 2010

OnosakiHito 2013-12-22T14:52:27+00:00

Hi. I'm here to help a bit with the spread.

Loctav is right, the spread is uneven in this Taiko-set, but can be easily fixed without deleting or changing the difficulties in a bigger range.

The spread between Oni and Inner is denser as from Muzukashii to Oni. While both difficulties contain hard patterns with just less space for player to take a little "break" before upcoming patterns appear, Muzukashii only has easy patterns with additional monotonically triplets and some doublets.
To ensure having a well spread between Muzu, Oni and Inner, I suggest to make the Oni a bit easier - have some more 1/1 gaps and maybe tune the usage of 1/4 patterns a little bit down(or make them easier). Having this move would fix your spread problem - it would be larger but consistent and still respect your mapping(keeping your maps mostly untouched(?)).

Futsuu is pretty easy and appears to have the highest spread with Muzukashii. The best would be to make a new Muzukashii which is easier than the previous one and rename current one to Oni. Futsuu can be later adjusted after the new Muzu is made.

tl;dr:
- Make Oni easier to fix the spread between M - O - I
- Add a new Muzu to fix the spread between F - M
-> Rename current Muzu to Oni, Oni to Inner and Inner to Ura
- Adjust Futsuu in a way it fits in the spread (it might become easier if the new Muzu appears to be that easy)

That's my idea. If Loctav(and maybe the other TBATs) can approv this idea, then you should do it in this way because right now I don't see it as rankable set either.
Ah, no worries DakeDekaane and Mao. The new Muzu won't slower the modding process. I'm here and will mod it after Loctav is done with this.

Oh yeah, nice diffs by the way.

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

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Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2013-12-22T15:14:08+00:00

Omg such speed mod from 2 bats
Will check these on latest by Thursday, I don't have access to my computer now

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Mao 2013-12-22T15:57:55+00:00

Soo, let's find a new mapper for the Muzukashii since neither Dekaane nor Cdh can make it since they both already have 2 difficulties. If one of them would have three it they would have more than I made .____.

Edit:

taiko_maniac1811 is going to do it <3

taiko_maniac1811

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Joined December 2010

taiko_maniac1811 2013-12-22T17:05:03+00:00

here's the Muzu diff req by Mao :3
hope it fits the taiko spread .w.

Muzu

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Myxo

osu! Alumni

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Joined December 2012

Myxo 2013-12-22T17:09:07+00:00

What the... THAT WAS FAST oô

DakeDekaane

osu! Alumni

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Joined February 2012

DakeDekaane 2013-12-22T21:42:56+00:00

I actually was about nerf my diffs, but after seeing 1881's Muzu I went with Ono's suggestion and just nerfed a bit Oni (now Inner Oni )a bit and buffed just a bit the Muzu (now Oni) to fit the new names. In fact I worried a lot about actual Inner Oni and ignored Futsuu completely, sorry about that orz. I was correct in my idea of making cdh's Inner a bit easier, that wouldn't hurt.

If the new Oni is still hard, I can still tone it down.

Here are both diffs: http://puu.sh/5VhHq.rar

>.<

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Mao 2013-12-22T21:57:20+00:00

So, all Taiko diffs are renamed and the new Muzukashii is added! I hope the difficulty spread is okay now x____x

Edit: 100th post <3

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

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Asagi Mutsuki 2013-12-23T03:47:08+00:00

Yay so now Taiko has more diffs than standard
Well I wasn't expecting this lol

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

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Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2013-12-23T18:42:57+00:00

Loctav wrote:
[General]

Generally, the spread is quite uneven. Honestly, I would try to find a concept, where you slowly introduce the 1/4 into the spread, e.g. starting with semi-simple triplets in the Oni and then show the full level of this song on the Inner Oni.
Unfortunately, I would consider the current spread as uneven and therefore as not really rankable.

[Cdh's Futsuu]

This diff is really fine, but should be revised by more modders anyways.

00:02:785 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - I'd put d k d k d kk. It stays consistent with previous and upcoming patterns and ensures a better readability on easier levels. Changed!
00:08:270 (20) - don, keep the rhythm! Changed!
00:14:784 (35,36) - k d? Nah. I made it like this so it has reversed colors with 00:11:527 (26,27,28,29)
00:19:242 (42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51) - k d k d K ()()()kk please: http://puu.sh/5U1Hk/fa902732b5.jpg . The dddkk pattern is simply an unneeded difficulty spike that can ruin the even difficulty of this Futsuu made it k d k d k d ()() kk instead
00:38:785 (93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101) - this should have the same rhythm as previous patterns. I see no apparant reason why it should be different here? Yeah I agree with you.
01:41:870 (10) - don? Changed!
01:48:384 (29,30,31,32) - put D k instead? http://puu.sh/5U20m/3550da0c85.jpg Changed!
01:54:899 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - same as in 00:38:785 - same

[Cdh's Inner Oni]

To be honest, this appears quite overmapped and overdone to me. But just partially. I think you could enlighten certain parts a bit more, to fit more the spread to the Oni and to be less "hard for being hard". Mapping every noise in the background is not always working. For example 00:16:156 (99,100,101,102) - seems to be an unnecessary triplet for me.
00:46:670 (342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368) - Also this could be done differently, to maybe "stress" the main parts of the melody layer more.
This needs more serious modding to test it for playability and difficulty stability. I believe that this maps looks a bit exaggerated and doesn't really follow the actual pacing of what the song offers. I would enlighten it a bit and "reduce the complexity" of certain patterns and try to increase the readability more. And I'd reduce the amount of 1/4 streams that appear one after another. Try to simplify some patterns and don't try to catch every beat existing. This is not always working. Especially not on this current spread.

Well changed some parts, mainly in the kiai, btw i think the ddddk ddddk patterns fits the "baka baka" in the kiai pretty well, so im not changing that, but I changed some dense parts.

Before I can mod the diffs for real, I really like to see more revisions by other Taiko players and modders, especially on the spread and the Inner Oni. Also the Oni should be changed at some point. Pointing out specific patterns make no sense for now. The Futsuu is fine and that's why I could point out minor fixes to it. But the remaining diffs need more work and way more mods. Try to ask yourself, if the patterns are playing well, if the spread is even and stable.

@Ono: I'll see how can I adjust the Futsuu to fit the Muzu ( and the spread ) more @_@

OnosakiHito

osu!taiko Paragon

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Joined March 2010

OnosakiHito 2013-12-24T02:09:20+00:00

Alright. Call me after Loctav checked it, and i give you a full mod.

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

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Asagi Mutsuki 2013-12-24T14:49:57+00:00

http://puu.sh/5XmFm.osu(URA ONI)
^ deleted all note in a part for consistency with other diffs, and changed the last spinner into a big KAT
EDIT: also applied JUDA's mod in irc, he can post it here if he wants ww

Kyouren

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Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2013-12-29T13:58:26+00:00

Go for Ranked, Mao^^

I think I still keep a video

Asagi Mutsuki

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Asagi Mutsuki 2013-12-30T01:14:52+00:00

gokugohan12468 wrote:
Go for Ranked, Mao^^

XD

Nwolf

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Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-01-06T08:53:53+00:00

Woof

suggestions only because everything is fine already

[Cdh's Futsuu]

00:09:984 (23,24) - Switch them, music goes down here
00:26:099 (62,63) - Compared with the rest of the first kiai this is a little bit boring and the only time where you didn't follow the normal pattern you used here. Might want to do something similar to 00:37:070 (89,90,91,92) ?

[1811's Muzukashii]

02:00:384 (1) - Change this to big kat so it's the same in all diffs (excluding futsuu)

[Dekaane's Oni]

00:09:984 (54,55) - Switch them, music goes down here
00:15:299 (61,66) - try kdk kdk here
01:41:184 (145) - Change to k, fits music more
01:46:670 (164) - ^ (repeat until song is finished)

[Dekaane's Inner Oni]

00:09:984 (63,64) - Switch them, music goes down here
01:00:899 - Add k, it sounds so... cut-off
01:01:584 - ^

[Cdh's Ura Oni]

00:09:642 (59,60) - Change to big kats
or
00:10:156 (62) - Change to big don
or
don't

nice diffs, wanna see this ranked soon : D

Asagi Mutsuki

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Asagi Mutsuki 2014-01-06T15:42:40+00:00

Nwolf wrote:
Woof

suggestions only because everything is fine already

[Cdh's Futsuu]

00:09:984 (23,24) - Switch them, music goes down here but im following the high-pitched sound in the music that actually goes up >_> no change here
00:26:099 (62,63) - Compared with the rest of the first kiai this is a little bit boring and the only time where you didn't follow the normal pattern you used here. Might want to do something similar to 00:37:070 (89,90,91,92) ? Changed!

[Cdh's Ura Oni]

00:09:642 (59,60) - Change to big kats
or
00:10:156 (62) - Change to big don
or
don't changed that part to K K D K

nice diffs, wanna see this ranked soon : D me too

Well, thanks for mod! :3

Futsuu: http://puu.sh/6bDrs.osu
Ura: http://puu.sh/6bDro.osu

@Mao: The unicode artist and title is broken again so you need to change it manually @_@

taiko_maniac1811

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Joined December 2010

taiko_maniac1811 2014-01-06T15:49:24+00:00

Nwolf wrote:
Woof

[1811's Muzukashii]

02:00:384 (1) - Change this to big kat so it's the same in all diffs (excluding futsuu) umm ok o3o

thanks for modding :3

1811 update

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DakeDekaane

osu! Alumni

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Joined February 2012

DakeDekaane 2014-01-07T07:13:44+00:00

All fixed except 00:09:984 - in both diffs, sounds better ending in dk in kd imo. Thanks o/
Both diffs here: http://puu.sh/6ctRb.rar

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Mao 2014-01-07T17:26:57+00:00

Updated! :3

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

1,476 posts

Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2014-02-20T10:35:29+00:00

D:

Mao

Elite Mapper II

2,963 posts

Joined December 2012

Topic Starter

Mao 2014-02-20T23:37:10+00:00

cdhsausageboy wrote:
D:

Well, I sent Ono a request some weeks ago since I've got the osu! icon which is the condition for a mod atm. I guess we have to wait now until TWC is over.

Avena

2,158 posts

Joined December 2012

Avena 2014-02-23T01:54:37+00:00

Mao wrote:
cdhsausageboy wrote:
D:
Well, I sent Ono a request some weeks ago since I've got the osu! icon which is the condition for a mod atm. I guess we have to wait now until TWC is over.

Know that feel bro.
#Wait4Ono2014

OnosakiHito

osu!taiko Paragon

6,864 posts

Joined March 2010

OnosakiHito 2014-02-25T19:54:03+00:00

Until TWC is over? Sorry to change your planing. Haha

[

Cdh's Futsuu]

SPOILER

General
- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii.
- Here and there I would suggest some changes, but there is no need for it at all. It's okay in its current state.

[

1811's Muzukashii]

SPOILER

General
- 00:43:584~00:53:527 - 2# Your Muzukashii has a similar density to Dekaane's Oni and Inner Oni. Talk to him and find a consensus which provides a better spread here?

Great Muzukashii, really. I enjoyed it.

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Dekaane's Oni]

SPOILER

General

- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii.
- 00:43:584~00:53:527 - Hmmmmmmm, 1# copy paste from Inner to Oni. 2# Muzukashii same density in this part. Talk to 1811 about this and ask him to make his part a little less denser?

Notes

00:27:127 (102,103) - If I'm not wrong, this pattern has something to do with the previous d d (00:23:184, 00:24:556, 00:25:927)? But I think changing the notes to d k might fit better. The sound at 00:38:099 becomes lower with its tone compared to the one you mapped as kk kk k, so swapping at this point to d could sound better. This pattern would come out at the end: d kk kk k d k D which would alternate in a nice way.
00:38:099 (162,163) - ^
00:32:784 (134) - Probably a kat sounds better when listening to the high pitches sound at this timeline. I think k k D sounds nicer as well.
00:39:299 (167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180) - Hm, I think we can refine this patterns.
01:22:327 (53) - Finisher? So 01:16:842 (26) - doesn't stand so alone. After all, it has mostly the same sounding with the loud vocal at this timeline. If you want, you can consider making 01:21:984 (52) - also as finisher to emphasize the vocal at once.
01:32:956 (106,107) - Here the vocal is less powefull, but having these notes as finisher would still fit. Not a must of course.
01:43:927 (152,153) - With this constellation I'm fine.

[

Dekaane's Inner Oni]

SPOILER

General

- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii.
- 00:43:584~00:53:527 - Hmmmmmmm, 1# copy paste from Inner to Oni. 2# Muzukashii same density in this part. Talk to 1811 about this and ask him to make his part a little less denser? 3# Also, add some more notes in your Inner? Look at Cd's Ura, he has way more notes at this part. Huge jump from one to the other diff. if you ask me.

Notes

00:22:842 and 00:23:870 - Not an issue at all. But I wanted to mention that it might have been better to map either on vocals or beats only. The change from vocal to beats was kinda radical and sounded kinda unnatural when playing. I'm not sure, maybe you want consider this. Personally I think mapping only to the beat would fit better.
01:07:242 (2,3) - Hm. I do belive that dons would fit better. Not sure, maybe you wanted to map on vocals? If so, I think restricting it to beat mapping should be enough since, so less notes can't emphasize the vocal mapping enough.
01:39:642 and 01:40:670 - Fits better than the previous kiai.

[

Cdh's Ura Oni]

SPOILER

General

- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii.
- - 00:43:584~00:53:527 - 3# Compared to the other difficulties your density at this part is really high. Talk to Dekaane to find a consensus for a better spread. He should add some notes in Inner while you reduce some in your Ura.

Notes

00:12:556 (73,74) - Oh, having k k here yould look, play and sound really nice to the song. Give it a try?
00:17:870 (102) - Since you used finishers before just continue that way by having one more here.
00:18:556 (107) - ^
00:43:584~00:48:727 - To be honest, I think you have too many notes here which are not really necessary. It also makes the spread to the other diffs pretty high. Try having less notes. Somewhat like at 00:57:642
00:54:642 - This is not a must, but having a don here would make the stream a little easier.
01:00:384 - How about this? It fits to the vocals and beats and would make the stream at 01:05:013 emphasize it self way better. Also I have to say, compared to other difficulties ,this is pretty hard and makes the spead in this patr pretty high.

01:45:984 - Recommending to continue mapping to vocal. This is a radical change you have here. Out of the sudden you jump from vocal to beat mapping which doesn't fit well and can distract the player when playing.
01:49:756~01:52:842 - Suggesting following pattern(which fits good to vocal and beta at once) since current one becomes a little messy if you ask me.

01:53:870~01:55:584 - Suggetsing following one:

Last two recommendations/suggestions could be applied in the first half of the second kiai as well (or at least in a similar way).

Well, so far the diff is fine. But sometimes you have a way too radical change from vocal to beat mapping. In some parts (especially kiai) you mapped constantly to the vocal and then out of the sudden, it switch to beat mapping, which gives a weird feeling to the player since he is rather focused on the vocal at this time. Also, in general it is rather questionable to mix vocal and beat mapping in this way. The more common way is to have a main mapping way in a map or try to make beat and vocal work together at once (like the patterns I suggested at the end).
Also I want to add that this Ura is compared to the other diffs pretty hard. You should really reduce some notes (especially those I suggested) to refine the spread a little more.

Well, you guys improved the set a lot. Makes me kinda proud of you. But there is one part you should talk about and find some kind of consensus (you see the suggestion in light blue). Muzu, Oni and Inner have a pretty similar density in that one part while Futsuu and Ura are totally different in this matter. Please fix this before we go ahead. But for now, good job to all of you.

Recall me for a recheck when you are done.

Asagi Mutsuki

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1,476 posts

Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2014-02-25T20:27:17+00:00

OnosakiHito wrote:
Until TWC is over? Sorry to change your planing. Haha

[ Cdh's Futsuu]
SPOILER
General
- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii. Done.
- Here and there I would suggest some changes, but there is no need for it at all. It's okay in its current state.

[ Cdh's Ura Oni]
SPOILER
General

- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii.
- - 00:43:584~00:53:527 - 3# Compared to the other difficulties your density at this part is really high. Talk to Dekaane to find a consensus for a better spread. He should add some notes in Inner while you reduce some in your Ura.

Notes

00:12:556 (73,74) - Oh, having k k here yould look, play and sound really nice to the song. Give it a try? Ok :3
00:17:870 (102) - Since you used finishers before just continue that way by having one more here. It didn't have a finish because it was originally 1/4 @_@ but now since its 1/2 so yeah, added finish!
00:18:556 (107) - ^ ^
00:43:584~00:48:727 - To be honest, I think you have too many notes here which are not really necessary. It also makes the spread to the other diffs pretty high. Try having less notes. Somewhat like at 00:57:642 Made that part vocal based with a little 1/4 in it @_@
00:54:642 - This is not a must, but having a don here would make the stream a little easier. Keeping k for now @_@ it fits the music moar
01:00:384 - How about this? It fits to the vocals and beats and would make the stream at 01:05:013 emphasize it self way better. Also I have to say, compared to other difficulties ,this is pretty hard and makes the spead in this patr pretty high. I wanted to keep the stream @_@ but yeah, keeping consistency between diffs is more important XDD anyway, didn't change exactly like you did, but well, the concept is same as yours XD

01:45:984 - Recommending to continue mapping to vocal. This is a radical change you have here. Out of the sudden you jump from vocal to beat mapping which doesn't fit well and can distract the player when playing.Ok
01:49:756~01:52:842 - Suggesting following pattern(which fits good to vocal and beta at once) since current one becomes a little messy if you ask me. Changed the patterns to yours but tweaked the colors a bit to fit the song more ww

01:53:870~01:55:584 - Suggetsing following one: Changed!

Last two recommendations/suggestions could be applied in the first half of the second kiai as well (or at least in a similar way).

Well, so far the diff is fine. But sometimes you have a way too radical change from vocal to beat mapping. In some parts (especially kiai) you mapped constantly to the vocal and then out of the sudden, it switch to beat mapping, which gives a weird feeling to the player since he is rather focused on the vocal at this time. Also, in general it is rather questionable to mix vocal and beat mapping in this way. The more common way is to have a main mapping way in a map or try to make beat and vocal work together at once (like the patterns I suggested at the end).
Also I want to add that this Ura is compared to the other diffs pretty hard. You should really reduce some notes (especially those I suggested) to refine the spread a little more.

Well, you guys improved the set a lot. Makes me kinda proud of you. But there is one part you should talk about and find some kind of consensus (you see the suggestion in light blue). Muzu, Oni and Inner have a pretty similar density in that one part while Futsuu and Ura are totally different in this matter. Please fix this before we go ahead. But for now, good job to all of you.

Recall me for a recheck when you are done.

Mod arigatou! Did some major changes in the map due to this mod @_@

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DakeDekaane

osu! Alumni

3,500 posts

Joined February 2012

DakeDekaane 2014-02-25T22:12:39+00:00

OnosakiHito wrote:
[ Dekaane's Oni]
SPOILER
General

- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii. /*I already had it down :p
- 00:43:584~00:53:527 - Hmmmmmmm, 1# copy paste from Inner to Oni. 2# Muzukashii same density in this part. Talk to 1811 about this and ask him to make his part a little less denser?

Notes

00:27:127 (102,103) - If I'm not wrong, this pattern has something to do with the previous d d (00:23:184, 00:24:556, 00:25:927)? But I think changing the notes to d k might fit better. The sound at 00:38:099 becomes lower with its tone compared to the one you mapped as kk kk k, so swapping at this point to d could sound better. This pattern would come out at the end: d kk kk k d k D which would alternate in a nice way. /*Made a d kk kk d d K instead, changed some notes in this kiai.
00:38:099 (162,163) - ^ /*^
00:32:784 (134) - Probably a kat sounds better when listening to the high pitches sound at this timeline. I think k k D sounds nicer as well. /*Well, I think the pitch is alternating here so I did a dkdkdD, but after a few changes as I said above, did a dkdkdK.
00:39:299 (167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180) - Hm, I think we can refine this patterns. /*Did a something similar (if not the same lol) as in the second kiai, which I consider better.
01:22:327 (53) - Finisher? So 01:16:842 (26) - doesn't stand so alone. After all, it has mostly the same sounding with the loud vocal at this timeline. If you want, you can consider making 01:21:984 (52) - also as finisher to emphasize the vocal at once. /*Added only in (53).
01:32:956 (106,107) - Here the vocal is less powefull, but having these notes as finisher would still fit. Not a must of course. /*Added a finisher in (107) for consistency.
01:43:927 (152,153) - With this constellation I'm fine.

[ Dekaane's Inner Oni]
SPOILER
General

- Move the BG down like 1811 did in his Muzukashii. /*I already had it down :p
- 00:43:584~00:53:527 - Hmmmmmmm, 1# copy paste from Inner to Oni. 2# Muzukashii same density in this part. Talk to 1811 about this and ask him to make his part a little less denser? 3# Also, add some more notes in your Inner? Look at Cd's Ura, he has way more notes at this part. Huge jump from one to the other diff. if you ask me. /*Added some notes here, really dunno why I left this part the same as Oni lol.

Notes

00:22:842 and 00:23:870 - Not an issue at all. But I wanted to mention that it might have been better to map either on vocals or beats only. The change from vocal to beats was kinda radical and sounded kinda unnatural when playing. I'm not sure, maybe you want consider this. Personally I think mapping only to the beat would fit better. /*I get your point, modified the first kiai to be a similar way as the second.
01:07:242 (2,3) - Hm. I do belive that dons would fit better. Not sure, maybe you wanted to map on vocals? If so, I think restricting it to beat mapping should be enough since, so less notes can't emphasize the vocal mapping enough. /*The two beats with kat notes has a bit more of intensity, so leaving it as don would feel a bit odd imo.
01:39:642 and 01:40:670 - Fits better than the previous kiai.

Thanks for the mod Ono, I really missed that part of the spread, it should be better now in my diffs, hoping 1811 agrees on making that part less dense, if not, I have no problems in adding a few notes more in my diffs.

My diffs: http://puu.sh/7arGB.rar

taiko_maniac1811

1,060 posts

Joined December 2010

taiko_maniac1811 2014-02-26T09:41:32+00:00

OnosakiHito wrote:
Until TWC is over? Sorry to change your planing. Haha

[ 1811's Muzukashii]
SPOILER
General
- 00:43:584~00:53:527 - 2# Your Muzukashii has a similar density to Dekaane's Oni and Inner Oni. Talk to him and find a consensus which provides a better spread here?

Tried to make it a little dense by simplifying some patterns lol, hope it goes well ww

Great Muzukashii, really. I enjoyed it. thanks :3

Thanks for the mod Ono :3

1811 Muzu

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Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Mao 2014-02-26T15:17:52+00:00

Updated \:D/
Going to ask Ono for recheck :3

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Mao 2014-02-26T21:45:09+00:00

Yaaaaay, my laptop is broken

Going to do my best getting a new one over the next few days. Probably tomorrow. I hope this wont create a that big delay ;-;

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Joined December 2012

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Mao 2014-02-28T17:23:56+00:00

Got new PC. So let's wait for Ono to recheck :3

OnosakiHito

osu!taiko Paragon

6,864 posts

Joined March 2010

OnosakiHito 2014-03-02T21:10:15+00:00

Checked the difficulties. If I didn't miss anything, it should be ready for rank from now on. Good job guys and good luck!

Bubbled

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Topic Starter

Mao 2014-03-02T22:00:30+00:00

OnosakiHito wrote:
Checked the difficulties. If I didn't miss anything, it should be ready for rank from now on. Good job guys and good luck!

Bubbled

Thank you <33

happy623

1,437 posts

Joined April 2010

happy623 2014-03-02T23:25:07+00:00

nice

Myxo

osu! Alumni

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Myxo 2014-03-03T13:10:52+00:00

Gogo rank o:

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

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Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2014-03-03T13:26:15+00:00

Desperate-kun wrote:
Gogo rank o:

>w<

Irreversible

osu! Alumni

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Irreversible 2014-03-05T18:51:32+00:00

Ranked!

we did a quick IRC mod, to fix some NCs and hitsounds

Gz zu deinem first rank maofluff *^*

Mao

Elite Mapper II

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Mao 2014-03-05T18:52:04+00:00

Irreversible wrote:
Ranked!
we did a quick IRC mod, to fix some NCs and hitsounds

Gz zu deinem first rank maofluff *^*

Thank you Irre <3

Myxo

osu! Alumni

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Myxo 2014-03-05T18:52:09+00:00

<3333333333333333333333333
Congratz :3

happy623

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Joined April 2010

happy623 2014-03-05T18:52:28+00:00

YEAY

IamKwaN

osu! Alumni

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IamKwaN 2014-03-05T18:53:13+00:00

happy623 wrote:
YEAY

Taskmaster

761 posts

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Taskmaster 2014-03-05T19:01:34+00:00

happy623 wrote:
YEAY

Dainesl

898 posts

Joined May 2012

Dainesl 2014-03-05T19:05:54+00:00

Whee this is finally ranked, months after my mod on it

congratulations!!

IamKwaN

osu! Alumni

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IamKwaN 2014-03-05T19:19:05+00:00

Baka~Baka~

Cherry Blossom

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Cherry Blossom 2014-03-05T19:26:05+00:00

Chiruno !!! 9999999
btw, Congratz ~

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DeletedUser_3044645 2014-03-05T19:33:04+00:00

9223372036854775807
edit : wow is this filter? it was supposed to be bunch of 9's..

DakeDekaane

osu! Alumni

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DakeDekaane 2014-03-05T20:45:09+00:00

happy623 wrote:
YEAY

IamKwaN wrote:
Baka~Baka~

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2014-03-05T20:46:20+00:00

Baka Baka ;333;

OnosakiHito

osu!taiko Paragon

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OnosakiHito 2014-03-05T23:47:13+00:00

Irreversible wrote:
Gz zu deinem first rank maofluff *^*

dengurishu

Congratulation guys

Asagi Mutsuki

osu!trivium Champion

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Joined February 2013

Asagi Mutsuki 2014-03-06T09:43:23+00:00

Gratz Mao~

2013-09-30 00:48 cdhsausageboy: i'll kill you if you don't get this ranked xD

After such a long time =w=

Beige

Elite Mapper

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Joined February 2011

Beige 2014-03-06T11:10:35+00:00

Congratz ~ \:D/

Selisi

721 posts

Joined October 2012

Selisi 2014-03-06T12:54:46+00:00

congrats~

Bara-

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Joined April 2013

Bara- 2014-03-06T18:53:44+00:00

Congratulations!

Game Dekade

12 posts

Joined September 2013

Game Dekade 2014-03-06T18:55:28+00:00

Wow ! The insane map is definitely one of the best maps I've ever played. I could play it all day

Du hast auf jedenfall einen neuen Fan !

Nwolf

2,627 posts

Joined September 2012

Nwolf 2014-03-08T10:45:19+00:00

I missed the rank of this map ;_;

gz everybody, especially cdh : D

rui

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Joined February 2009

rui 2014-03-09T16:59:30+00:00

Congratulations! Mao
First Ranked XD

kirinokirino

449 posts

Joined June 2011

kirinokirino 2014-03-11T19:20:30+00:00

dont change anything.
much angry bcz ranked
Insane
00:01:756 (6) - mao much pro dont even need grid snap
00:02:270 (1,2) - love stacks? then why dont use them more reasonable?

SPOILER

00:08:784 (5) - redline slider is bad
00:09:470 (1) - redline slider is bad
00:10:842 (7) - I hope you got it
00:11:356 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - EPIC object placement
00:13:241 (5) - oh god...
00:13:756 (1) - in moments like this mappers normally make slider ending silent... maybe bcz THERE IS NO SOUND HERE?

ok... sorry for bad english and angry useless talking.
but it is indicative that bad modder like me find that many problems in 2 minutes or somthing

Myxo

osu! Alumni

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Myxo 2014-03-11T20:12:39+00:00

andrei7 wrote:
dont change anything.
much angry bcz ranked
Insane
00:01:756 (6) - mao much pro dont even need grid snap
00:02:270 (1,2) - love stacks? then why dont use them more reasonable?
SPOILER
00:08:784 (5) - redline slider is bad
00:09:470 (1) - redline slider is bad
00:10:842 (7) - I hope you got it
00:11:356 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - EPIC object placement
00:13:241 (5) - oh god...
00:13:756 (1) - in moments like this mappers normally make slider ending silent... maybe bcz THERE IS NO SOUND HERE?

ok... sorry for bad english and angry useless talking.
but it is indicative that bad modder like me find that many problems in 2 minutes or somthing

I got your point.

I laughed very hard at this anyways lul

EDIT: Those are not problems, but suggestions / nitpicks btw. And redline sliders are sometimes used well to emphasize some special instruments which you might not have noticed. Though I mostly agree with you in that point....

Jenny

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Joined November 2010

Jenny 2014-03-12T20:36:57+00:00

This BG is just.. wrong.

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