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Nyquill

Sephibro wrote:

i have already some ideas

but let's go with order, and i want to hear your ideas too

@Nyquill: you have to (or can) send your second vote by pm to jinxy, don't you?
I can't
Nyquill
also: Has it occured to anyone that the flavor for scum left alive is reimu and marisa and I am CONFIRMED yakumo!? use your brains people.
Tanzklaue

Nyquill wrote:

also: Has it occured to anyone that the flavor for scum left alive is reimu and marisa and I am CONFIRMED yakumo!? use your brains people.
nue was scum, and some of gensokyo's more typical scum suspects (flandre, remilia) were town.

would be way to easy to judge it solely on flavour.
if anything, yakumo is one of those "mor elikely to be scum" suspects i'd say.
Tanzklaue
inb4 you missread: reimu and marisa aren't players, as they aren't inviteted to the event. they are more likely the executioners if i had to guess, outside of the game.
Sephibro
ok let's talk about doublevoter role

we recently had a game where there was a town doublevoter (rEdo) and a scum doublevoter (CalignoBot) (multiball)

there were 2 big differences between these 2 roles:
1. town dv has to post his second vote on topic, as if it was a normal vote, while scum dv could post it by pm to the mod
2. town dv appeared with his name in the votecount for both his votes, while the second vote of scum dv was anonymous

I looked for Yakumo Ran on some touhou wiki, and the name of Chen appears immediately, so i feel pretty safe to consider Nyquill town, at least for now
Nyquill
scum DV by pm seems stupid op wtf
Nyquill
By the way, still nothing addressed to my first point. I would really have made an easier claim if I was scum if I was really scum DV
Sephibro

Nyquill wrote:

scum DV by pm seems stupid op wtf
ok this post of yours makes you shift slightly towards scum
Nyquill
I don't think I understand.

also I shifted his vote to farto because his claimed seemed to mask safety with complication
Sephibro
my top 2 scumreads are now NoHitter and fartownik btw

you're third Nyquill
Nyquill
Let me make a quick list here so I can refer back to it later without searching through pages.

Tanz - Coroner (Where's the janitor?)
Nyquill
Fuck I hit control

Nyquill - DV
Farto - Wierd JOAT
RB - Reviver
NH - JK
Sephi - Motivator
Tanzklaue

Nyquill wrote:

Let me make a quick list here so I can refer back to it later without searching through pages.

Tanz - Coroner (Where's the janitor?)
that's a good question. ask that jinxy, not me.
Nyquill
Inb4 we have a death miller
Tanzklaue
also rb is 1 shot bulletproof, not reviver. they are different.
Nyquill
Okay let me try that again (in claim order)

Bmin - Restless spirit (1-day)
Tanz - Auto Coroner (nothing revealed)(Perhaps mafia has a method of knowing a coroner exists which has made them withhold janitor kills)
Nyquill - Double Voter via Chen
Farto - Weird JOAT that has a different ability each night. Targeted me n1 to confirm yakumo, targeted Dake n2 revealed nothing. N3 will be weak doctor, then doctor N4, then Strong Willed Vig.
NoHitter - Jailkeeper. Bmin target n2 (n1?)
Sephi - 2-shot motivator. GiF n2, nothing N1.
Nyquill
RB between Farto and NH - 1 shot bp
NoHitter
Sephi just did two 180's on me.
Scum -> Town -> Scum.

Why?
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Scum -> Town -> Scum.
i read you scum first because i was right
then i read you town for a bit because you didn't hesitate to put your vote on rEdo (but since the choice was among you and him, every scum would have voted his useless scumpartner)
then you're scum again because of poe and because of the jailkeeper claim
NoHitter
Uhh I wasn't even being voted by anyone except you when I switched my vote...
NoHitter
Mod: What happens if a JK and RB block each other?
Sephibro
it generates a paradox and a black hole wipes this game away
Raging Bull
Do we even have a role blocker in this game?
Sephibro
maybe
Raging Bull
It's more like I don't really see the point of the question unless NH is hiding something.
Tanzklaue
I think this question is trivial. you claim that you are town, nh, and thus if there is a role blocker he should be scum. in your hypothetical scenario, only if gif targeted the role blocker you jailkept could've made this a relevant question.

but, we don't know who or even if gif targeted anyone. we don't know if there are 2 role blocking roles in the game. the question has no point at all.
NoHitter
I was just thinking about all the possibilities re: GiF not hitting anyone.

Also:

Sephibro wrote:

it generates a paradox and a black hole wipes this game away
If we don't have a RB, why would GiF target among everyone, the restless spirit?
Sephibro
or the bulletproof
or dake
Tanzklaue
or nobody at all.
Sephibro
yeah but i don't think gif would have done no action tonight
we were 7-2, we didn't risk lylo nor mylo with that kill and he's very confident about his reads

no, he targeted dake or rb, or he was roleblocked
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

or dake
Oh god... Yeah I apologize for that brain fart xD
bmin11
I'm sure he didn't shoot Raging Bull AKA our BP. He didn't claim to be shot and BP usually gets notified when he gets shot. Also, it's just less likely then GiF shooting me or Dake anyway.

Assuming we have a mafia RB, that makes them having Ninja + RS, RB, and a Janitor as a possible mafia composition. Does this sounds balanced enough against our line up? I don't have any experience with balancing, so...

I'm not too sure what made the mafia to not Janitor kill the first night, nor the second night. I guess it is a fare assumption for them to expect a Coroner, but outright not using it just because of a possibility seems extreme. Though, claiming Coroner as a mafia while there aren't any Janitor kills is equally (or more) extreme, so this is really a big WIFOM.
Topic Starter
Jinxy

NoHitter wrote:

Mod: What happens if a JK and RB block each other?
Both roleblocks will go through and the Roleblocker gets jailed.

Raging Bull wrote:

@Mod, does hider die if she hides behind scum?
Yes
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Vote Count 3.2
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen

Not Voting: Sephibro, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, NoHitter, fartownik, bmin11

Day ends in around 2 days and 12 hours.
Raging Bull
I think he was scum reading dake at the end? I wasnt shot. Also what nh said about not jking scum, if there was only one death and gif shot town, im sure he would immediately claim.
Not sure, going to sleep however.
Sephibro

bmin11 wrote:

Assuming we have a mafia RB, that makes them having Ninja + RS, RB, and a Janitor as a possible mafia composition.
where this come from
bmin11

Jinxy wrote:

End of Day 2 Votecount
rEdo (6) - Raging Bull, bmin11, GuyInFreezer, NoHitter, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
bmin11 (1) - Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo

Not Voting: Nyquill

"Wha-! R-Reimu? What are you doing!?" Nue shouted out, but was still promptly sealed.

rEdo - Houjuu Nue - Mafia 2-shot Ninja and 2-shot Rolestopper - Sealed D2


It is now Night 2.

Day 3 starts in 1 day.
Sephibro
oh i forgot about it
Nyquill
I was about to say, their roleblocker died.

Btw bmin, just to make sure, your role is AUTO activate right
Sephibro

Nyquill wrote:

I was about to say, their roleblocker died.

Btw bmin, just to make sure, your role is AUTO activate right

bmin11 wrote:

I can use it any night I want and I'll be able to vote the following day.
Raging Bull
rolestopper*
Raging Bull
Well obviously my last post doesn't mean crap.

Raging Bull wrote:

I think he was scum reading dake at the end? I wasnt shot. Also what nh said about not jking scum, if there was only one death and gif shot town, im sure he would immediately claim.
But any thoughts on this post?

And is there usually a janitor with coroner or vice versa? Or sometimes it can be a dud role?
Nyquill
er, not bmin, tanz
bmin11
Janitor could exist without a coroner (though, with limited amount of shots for balance reason), but I haven't heard of coroner without janitor-like roles.

Even if GiF claimed, it would still be up to as on rather if we would believe him or not. Though, his vote on rEdo and all will pretty much make him look like a townie no matter what. After all, he was the first one to switch his vote to rEdo.
Tanzklaue

Nyquill wrote:

I was about to say, their roleblocker died.

Btw bmin, just to make sure, your role is AUTO activate right
it is.
Nyquill
i'm pretty certain that mafia has some method of knowing a coroner is alive then (like nohitter did with censor mafia), and their janitor is limited so has been witholding kills.
Tanzklaue
is this game still alive?
NoHitter
My thoughts about the situation:
After thinking it through, Nyquill is still town. Doublevoter in Ly-Lo would be auto-win, so I don't see why he would claim in the open today when he could use it tomorrow and essentially win.

From the claims, I think only Nyquill can be considered town.

Next we go to that rEdo wagon at the end, I read through the wagon, and I think that those who speedlynched him and switched votes are most likely town as well.
This means that bmin and Sephi are most likely town as well.

I'm not so sure about RB since IIRC he wasn't there when the wagon started to form. Placing a vote on a teammate early on (especially when there was no indication of a wagon) may be a good way of distancing.

I would lynch Tanz/farto->RB in that order.
Tanzklaue
I was asleep when the speedlynch happened btw.
Amianki

Tanzklaue wrote:

is this game still alive?
Everyone except for fartownik has posted in the past 24 hours.

fartownik has been prodded.
Tanzklaue

CalignoBot wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

is this game still alive?
Everyone except for fartownik has posted in the past 24 hours.

fartownik has been prodded.
it was still 17 hours ago that someone posted, there were more active times in this game :P
Topic Starter
Jinxy
"Quite a lull in activity, wonder if they've forgotten that Reimu is very serious this time...”


Vote Count 3.3
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen

Not Voting: Sephibro, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, NoHitter, fartownik, bmin11

Day ends in around 1 day and 12 hours.
Raging Bull

NoHitter wrote:

My thoughts about the situation:
After thinking it through, Nyquill is still town. Doublevoter in Ly-Lo would be auto-win, so I don't see why he would claim in the open today when he could use it tomorrow and essentially win.

From the claims, I think only Nyquill can be considered town.

Next we go to that rEdo wagon at the end, I read through the wagon, and I think that those who speedlynched him and switched votes are most likely town as well.
This means that bmin and Sephi are most likely town as well.

I'm not so sure about RB since IIRC he wasn't there when the wagon started to form. Placing a vote on a teammate early on (especially when there was no indication of a wagon) may be a good way of distancing.

I would lynch Tanz/farto->RB in that order.
My vote was on him pretty much the whole d2. And idk why would I vote people just because there might be a wagon?
Sephibro

Raging Bull wrote:

My vote was on him pretty much the whole d2. And idk why would I vote people just because there might be a wagon?
he said that you could have voted him because there WASN'T a wagon on him and you wanted to create distance with your scumpartner
Raging Bull
Because his reason for voting was retarded as shit.
Raging Bull
and what the hell guys, theres only less than 24 hours left. this inactivity isnt going to help anyone.

Vote:NH

If you ask why, please read. I asked for opinions and no one looked nor responded.
Sephibro
so now

who do you all guys think is scum and why?
Raging Bull
NH and Tanz/farto.


Tanz for hider shenanigans (lol :DD) and the oddly claimed coroner role without a janitor kill since n1. and farto for being a lurkfack these past few days.
NoHitter
Vote: Tanz
Raging Bull
Look, idk who agreed with Sephi about the plurality lynch thing, but where the hell is everyone and their input.
Sephibro
what?
Sephibro
oh btw
worst case scenario

we lynch a townie
fartownik didn't fakeclaim, he targets scum with nightaction and dies
scum nk someone else
we lose
Sephibro
so pick up one of these options

a. lynch farto
b. we NL and organize night actions
Raging Bull
only night action we have would be JK. Motivate JK and block farto?
Raging Bull
or shit nvm, same night motivation probably wont work.
Sephibro
motivation works from the day after i use it
NoHitter
Sephi: that's the worst case scenario, but if farto were really town he wouldn't risk it.
Sephibro
so he keeps being unconfirmable in lylo too
please lynch
NoHitter
Vote: farto
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Vote Count 3.4
fartownik (2) - Nyquill, NoHitter
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen
NoHitter (1) - Raging Bull

Not Voting: Sephibro, Tanzklaue, fartownik, bmin11

Day ends in around 12 hours.
Sephibro
talk farto
Tanzklaue
I pseudovote farto, when he doesn't respond until i go to bed (in like 1-2 hours), I'm gonna vote him.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
End of Day 3 Vote Count
fartownik (2) - Nyquill, NoHitter
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen
NoHitter (1) - Raging Bull

Not Voting: Sephibro, Tanzklaue, fartownik, bmin11

=====================================================================

The third day passed quietly. The quietest of all was Hijiri Byakuren, who stopped talking halfway through the day and just started meditating. Eventually, her actions unnerved the group, and they requested her to leave.

"Reimu will probably be here soon. Back me up, won't ya?"

"There is no need, I'm one of her accomplices."

"Huh? You!?"
Marisa immediately aimed at Byakuren.

"She is, but she failed me, too. I knew I shouldn't have trusted youkai to resolve matters properly like a human." Reimu's voice spoke out, just as she appeared out of nowhere.

"I'm sorry, but I will not be sealed ever again. I've meditated prior to this, and my abilities are at their peak. I request that you unseal Nue too, after I'm done." With those words, Byakuren charged at Reimu, but both disappeared all of a sudden.

"...Fantasy Nature again..."

...

A while later...

fartownik - Hijiri Byakuren - Mafia Janitor and Role Cop - Sealed D3

"Your first mistake was allowing me control over the domain." Reimu murmured, as she reappeared. However, she instantly vanished again, just before a Master Spark blasted the area she was in.

"Dammit!"

It is now Night 3.

Day 4 starts in 1 day.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Surprisingly, everyone turned up to the symposium the next day. Did Reimu finally give up?

No one has died.

It is now Day 4. It takes 4 votes to lynch.

Night 4 starts in 4 days.
NoHitter
Sephi is most likely town due to his pushing of both farto's and rEdo's lynch. (also for another reason)
Nyquill's doublevoter ability + claim + confirmation of claim seems very townie.
bmin looks pretty town due to his earlier claim and wagon on rEdo.
Tanz is confirmed due to the presence of the janitor. (I apologize for misreading you as scum)

Also, I jailed Raging Bull last night, and there was no kill today.
Unless mafia intentionally submitted a no kill or tried to kill RB who claimed to still have BP to waste a kill(both are highly unlikely), we have our scum.

Vote: Raging Bull
Raging Bull
Wow just as I expected. You submitted no kill to frame me more and make everyone see you as confirmed town. Your play style has changed in this game and now you decided to get aggressive near the end for an easier win.

The only true thing you actually mentioned and I agree on is Tanz being confirmed town.

Vote:NoHitter
Raging Bull
Not only that, but you seemed so easily swayed to lynch your buddy farto after Sephi said to lynch farto or NL. Also refused to acknowledge how I planted my vote on rEdo the whole fucking day for his extremely scummy as hell vote and just claim it as distancing.
Sephibro
this is pretty much a 1v1

lynch one then lynch the other one next day if we weren't lucky

SPEEDLYNCH RAGING BULL GOGOGO

vote: Raging Bull
Sephibro
hitter just curious

what did you get with my motivation?
Sephibro
there's no reason to hide it at this point
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

there's no reason to hide it at this point


This game was gay when one scum is fucking afk the entire game and one scum decides to not post in this game and post a shit ton in the other game. What the fuck man. gg town.

vote:RB
Raging Bull
Sorry if it's anticlimatic but seriously, I'm not good or anything, but I won't god damn afk to let people play by themselves. Especially farto telling me to play till you win.
Sephibro
:(

yeah sorry about rEdo and farto
they are real kurwas

@everybody: learn to sheep me when i push NL day1 kthx
Raging Bull
now I just wait a hammer lolol
Tanzklaue
Vote: RB

I really hate this "oh they voted me guess i go afk because fuck everyone who wanted to play olol". it's really not ok to sign up to a game like this just so you stop playing because you just happen to be not motivated at all. i persoanlly even fear to replace out of a game as soon as it goes into mid day 1 because people would have to live with my mistakes; just stopping to play altogether is even worse.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
End of Day 4 Vote Count
Raging Bull (4) - NoHitter, Sephibro, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue

=====================================================================

As everyone took their seats, Yagokoro Eirin instantly spoke up.

"So, Fujiwara no Mokou, did you have a good rest last night?"

"...I... guess so?"

"Good enough to be unable to wake up and attempt a kill on one of us, I assume?"

"Are you accusing me of being a murderer!?" Mokou stood up and shouted angrily. The atmosphere instantly became heated, literally, and everyone backed away from Mokou.

Suddenly, Mokou started smirking, and eventually laughing. "Heh... Hahaha... You're absolutely correct, actually. I decided to work with Reimu, because youkai keep preying on humans who have to venture into the Bamboo Forest!"

"But going as far as to kill? You're really strong, but you're also a bully!" Sukuna Shinmyoumaru shouted.

"You have sinned greatly, Mokou. This will not be ignored." Shiki Eiki spoke up next.

"...Would you believe me if I said the first kill was an accident? I never expected my attack to be able to kill a Hermit. Heh, though, it did work out, since death can be considered the heaviest seal of all..." Mokou replied.

"...She's right, the deaths were accidents that I did not expect, which was why they failed me." Everyone turned around, as Reimu entered the symposium once again.

"Reimu... Going around, sealing even those who chose to work with you... Looks like you need to experience being sealed yourself!" Mokou shouted, clearly losing grip on reality after her experiences in the past few days. Flames started enveloping her, but before she could proceed...

Spirit Sign "Fantasy Seal -Concentrate-"

Raging Bull - Fujiwara no Mokou - Mafia 2-shot Strongman and 1-shot Bulletproof - Sealed D4

=====================================================================

"I actually lost this time, didn't I... I can't believe it..." Reimu looked down, disappointed in how the events ended up unfolding.

"I won't try and stop the symposium anymore, I'll see if I can convince and pacify the humans. As for those who have been sealed, I'm going to keep them sealed for a bit more. Unsealing Remilia now would be the worst thing to do right now after..." Reimu stopped, and turned to leave.

"Hey, hey, HEY! Don't think you can just walk off like that! While it wasn't your fault things got out of hand, it was your fault they even started, with your ridiculous plans!"

"Marisa, what are yo-"

This time, the Master Spark fired cleanly. Not enough to kill, but more than enough to put the perpetrator of the Symposium Disturbance Incident out of commission for a good while.

Game over, Town Wins!

=====================================================================

Google Drive Spreadsheet, links to everything about the game.
Sephibro
jinxy i don't have permission to watch the google drive docs about the setup
also, can we have links to the QTs?
Topic Starter
Jinxy
All docs should be unlocked now

The Dead, Scum and Mod QTs are in the spreadsheet.
NoHitter
gg my scumdar is horrible recently, so sorry about that xD
Town was definitely lucky this game though.

Sped up lynch on rEdo, and plurality lynch on farto basically sealed the win.

Also Sephi, did my vote on farto did not make town enough :(
BTW TY for the Motivation <3
Sephibro
btw very nice setup jinxy, you did a very good job as mod too :)

(except you forgot to send me the pm last night)

EDIT: oh and except complaining about my trashtalk too
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Also Sephi, did my vote on farto did not make town enough :(
i wouldn't have motivated you if you weren't town enough
what did the motivation give you?
NoHitter
One-Shot Double Doc.

I kind of used the jailkeeper as a roleblocker over a doctor though xD
Sephibro
oh btw i just noticed my vote wasn't on farto d3 ROFL
i was SURE it was
Sephibro
oh btw

2-shot strongman kill
wasted on n1 and n2

SOOOOOO SOOOOOOOO BAD
Sephibro
it would have saved ur ass if you had it on n3
Nyquill
Oh wow, if NH didn't jail the right person that would have been bad
Sephibro
nah that wouldn't have been a problem at all

tanz was confirmed
you were almost confirmed
bmin and NH were both much more townie than RB
Nyquill
actually yeah worst case scenario would have been 1v1

Holy shit I loved my flavor

and scum chat was 10/10
Tanzklaue
I like how farto complained that jinxy didn't prepare safe fake claims for them.

that's like complaining that he didn't give them a free win.
Sephibro
also farto you should have used your janitor kill if you wanted some safeclaims, instead of wasting strongman on the first 2 nights
fartownik
thank you for advices my lords
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