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Topic Starter
Jinxy
Vote Count 2.4
bmin11 (5) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.

Deadline is in 1 day.
GuyInFreezer

Tanzklaue wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Also the lack of interest is very awful, I'll hammer him/put a vote there, I'm developing a mania with hammers.
don't hammer him, that doesn't help us either.
?
bmin11

bmin11 wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Vote: bmin
His "I don't want to interrupt discussions" and that pointless question struck me odd as I was skimming through the thread.

bmin11 wrote:

Well, first of, I wish you guys to keep in mind that this is just a game through communication. I would not like to have another game like Dota Mafia nor 111111 mafia. I won't be disrupting discussions just to prevent that, but I hope you guys would know where to draw the line and how not to cross it.
As I said, I'm not going to interrupt discussions even if it's on the barge of going out of hand, despite my hatred for it. I'll have to admit that those could be used for future reads, so I have no intentions of stopping people from gathering info.

My question was for my Oni's case. I guess it may have not helped getting rid of the WIFOM, but I wanted to see if there was a possible explanation on his lack of defense (or lack of panic posts).

bmin11 wrote:

Interfering =/= participating

My interfering is going to be like "both of you guys stfu", which I won't do that. Ofcourse I would join the discussion if I had anything to add on to the topic. Hell, I made a comment on most stuff even with a single post at least.
I'll claim my role after reading your responses to my answers I have provided.

Anyway, here is my vote for rEdo as I said before vote: rEdo
fartownik
I guess people don't comment on it because there's nothing to comment on.

I would only add that if you don't want to participate in discussions you should start some of your own.
bmin11
I never said I don't want to participate

bmin11 wrote:

Interfering =/= participating
fartownik
Yeah... maybe you want to participate, but wanting doesn't make you actually doing that thing.
bmin11
So, at the end, you guys are lynching an inactive over a wagon hopper?
fartownik
You're inactive, as you said so, because you don't want to 'interfere' discussions, yet you don't also create any of your own. My vote on you is by PoE and it actually makes a lot of sense since in my judgment there's at least 1 scum outside the wagon and the only possible ones are you and RB, so it's 50% chance to lynch scum from that pool.
bmin11
I was inactive, because I didn't had anything else to add to the discussion, not that I didn't want to 'participate' (yet you still don't get the difference between interfere and participate).

I feel like I'm just repeating myself. Can you please break the loop?
Raging Bull
Wow, sorry for not voting bmin. Why the hell are you so sure he's scum? And the only ones that are not in the wagon are not just me and bmin, please read.
fartownik
Oh, you're right. Damn JInxy should post the ones that were not voting in the final votecounts as well :P p/2780421 got suggested by this.

Well still - it only adds Tanz whom I'm currently reading as Town so it doesn't change much, PoE still applies.
Topic Starter
Jinxy

Jinxy wrote:

Vote Count 2.4.5
bmin11 (5) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull

Not Voting: Nyquill, bmin11

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.

Deadline is in 12 hours.
GuyInFreezer

bmin11 wrote:

So, at the end, you guys are lynching an inactive over a wagon hopper?
But I'm not voting you for being inactive.
GuyInFreezer
Also I'm prob shooting between {rEdo/Tanz} tonight
Sephibro
bmin11 you're the most useless player i've ever played with, i hope i'll never ever have to play with you again
bmin11
Character: Saigyouji Yuyuko
Role: Town 1-Shot Restless Spirit
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

bmin11 you're the most useless player i've ever played with, i hope i'll never ever have to play with you again
that's a stretch when in the same game there are players like oni.
Nyquill
bmin: Can you use your restless spirit vote once, or is it for one day.
Nyquill
Hi guys by the way.
bmin11
it's for a single day
bmin11

Jinxy wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Vote Count 2.4.5
bmin11 (5) - NoHitter, Sephibro, GuyInFreezer, Tanzklaue, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo
rEdo (1) - Raging Bull

Not Voting: Nyquill, bmin11

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Friday.

Deadline is in 12 hours.
My vote should be on rEdo by the way
GuyInFreezer
Do we want to lynch this or move on to different wagon with about 9 hours left?
I've never played with restless spirit before so idk the optimal play.
bmin11
Do you want to lynch a townie? It's better to No Lynch if you don't want to lynch anyone else but me.
DakeDekaane
Nice to say that right hours before the deadline and not when you were receiving more and more votes.

In case its legit we'd have an unkillable confirmed townie (or scum) at least for a day.
Tanzklaue
I'd say lynch him. with his playstyle, i don't think it matters much if he can talk or not.
Tanzklaue
ofc i also think he is scummy, else lynching would be kinda bad. just to clear that up.
Nyquill
I actually don't know what would be the best course of action when we have a restless spirit.

But I actually really really really don't like tanz's line of thinking.
Tanzklaue
I also don't like how you did say almost nothing the whole day 2, but now you come along. such is the way of life.

my line of thinking is:

if he should be town, then we don't lose that much discussion potential, and he sill can influence the way of the game and can give theoretically buy us one more day in the case of lylo.

if he is scum, then cool, we hit scum. since we then know that he is scum, we can try to read his vote accordingly.
Sephibro

bmin11 wrote:

Character: Saigyouji Yuyuko
Role: Town 1-Shot Restless Spirit
you could have done this 2 or 3 days ago, now you are putting us in a very bad situation

now answer this, fucker: does 1-shot mean you're going to be able to use it only tomorrow, or any day but just once?
bmin11
I can use it any night I want and I'll be able to vote the following day.
Raging Bull
Why didn't you tell us you were restless spirit earlier?

Nyquill wrote:

I actually don't know what would be the best course of action when we have a restless spirit.

But I actually really really really don't like tanz's line of thinking.

Tanz, I realize how bmin played is rather weird, but why still choose to lynch him? Seems op enough for scum to have restless spirit since essentially wouldn't have lost a vote even if they lose a member. I rather believe restless spirit is town.
DakeDekaane
We're eating Roasted Bull tomorrow.
DakeDekaane
Now that I think better, let's do this and let bmin save this Restless Spirit shot until LyLo.
Sephibro

bmin11 wrote:

I can use it any night I want and I'll be able to vote the following day.
it is ok that you die today too then
you'll use it in case of lylo, if you're town
Sephibro
btw we could actually try to switch wagon too
if 3 of us can switch votes we could get someone else lynched

I would like to go for NoHitter, or rEdo

do you guys want to do this switch with me?

vote: NoHitter
GuyInFreezer
vote: redo
Sephibro
why rEdo over NH?
NoHitter
I believe bmin's claim at the moment, but I'm also inclined to think that Restless Spirit is a role that cannot be confirmed at all. We may get any information in the future to disprove/prove that, so I'm giving his claim the benefit of the doubt.

Also, Sephi why vote me?

Vote: rEdo
Already explained I was willing to vote anyone I wasn't reading to be town/null-town.
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Also, Sephi why vote me?
why not?

btw ok, i'll vote rEdo too before going to sleep if nobody moves to NH
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Already explained I was willing to vote anyone I wasn't reading to be town/null-town.
also excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta
GuyInFreezer

Sephibro wrote:

why rEdo over NH?
If you have to vote between your townread and your scumread, who would you vote?
DakeDekaane
dis wagon speed

Are you serious guise? If yes, I'll vote rEdo happily, willing to let bmin live another day.
Sephibro
vote: rEdo
fartownik
I'm seriously afraid of that bmin claim. Unconfirmable in any way until LyLo.

rEdo is most likely scum too though. I'm up to hammer the guy, if anyone has any last words for today speak now.
Nyquill
gif, remind me who is your vig pool tonight
GuyInFreezer
I'm actually planning to hide that.
DakeDekaane
I'd want to get bmin cleared but well.

Vote: rEdo
Topic Starter
Jinxy
End of Day 2 Votecount
rEdo (6) - Raging Bull, bmin11, GuyInFreezer, NoHitter, Sephibro, DakeDekaane
bmin11 (1) - Tanzklaue
DakeDekaane (1) - fartownik
Sephibro (1) - rEdo

Not Voting: Nyquill

=====================================================================

Everyone agreed that no real ground would be covered if Reimu's plans were left unchecked, so today's meeting became a large-scale hunt, with accusations thrown all over.

Eventually, the majority decided that Houjuu Nue was the most likely suspect, so Marisa dragged her aside, planning to interrogate her.

"Aw, you actually caught me?" Nue nonchalantly admits to her interrogator. "Well then, fun's over I suppose!"

As Nue took out a Seed of Non-Indentification and slowly faded away...

Spirit Sign "Fantasy Seal -Spread-"

"Wha-! R-Reimu? What are you doing!?" Nue shouted out, but was still promptly sealed.

rEdo - Houjuu Nue - Mafia 2-shot Ninja and 2-shot Rolestopper - Sealed D2

"You sealed your own accomplice?" Marisa said in surprise, and reached for her Mini-Hakkero.

"She failed me, in more ways than one. I... didn't want to do this, but I wouldn't have to resort to this if the symposium would stop now and allow the humans have their peace back..."

With those last words, Reimu disappeared, seemingly floating out of reality itself before Marisa could act further.

It is now Night 2.

Day 3 starts in 1 day.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Flandre Scarlet finally reached home after another day of the meeting. She wasn't supposed to even be there, but somehow, things managed to work out. Until Remilia's disappearance, anyway.

”Has big sis come back yet, Sakuya?”

“I’m afraid not, Lady Flandre. ...By the way, are you sure Milady agreed to you going out?”

“Nope, I lied, actually! But I met her at the meeting anyway. She was reaaaalllly angry at first, but then she made me promise not to blow anyone up unless they were the bad people, and then I could stay!”

“...I see. I’ll prepare your meal and bath right away.”
And with that, the Scarlet Devil Mansion’s chief maid vanished almost instantly.

”Ah, did something happen to your sister?”

“!!! You’re… the satori from underground?”

”Yeah, I’m Komeiji Koishi, and I’ll be staying here tonight! Don’t worry, you won’t even notice me!”

“That certainly makes things easier for us...”

!?



“Lady Flandre, your dinner is rea-!”

GuyInFreezer - Flandre Scarlet - Town 1-Shot Vigilante - Killed N2
DakeDekaane - Komeiji Koishi - Town Hider - Killed N2


It is now Day 3. It takes 4 votes to lynch.

Night 3 starts in 5 days.
DakeDekaane
Onee-san I'm sorry... *cof* it's not your fault... *cof* ... *dies*
Nyquill
Does anyone have any night info.
NoHitter
No useful information from me.

Also from the votes on rEdo:
bmin is definitely town now. RB and Sephi is most likely town.

Going to reread Tanz, Nyquill and farto's posts now.
Raging Bull
Damnit. Dake was one of my biggest suspects, but it looks like he is died. Going to check the rEdo wagon since it build up rather quickly.
Raging Bull
Hmm, current suspects I have would be NH and Tanz.


NH seemed rather unusually passive this game. Checking up on his ISO, he's been reading everyone town/null town and his two of his votes looked pretty bandwagonish. Only good point would be bmin, but it looked like it was to vote bmin since he looked "lynchable"

Tanz hid behind the hider role for D1 and claimed D2. His role claims to have an idea what scum might have but held no information for now. Last few posts f Tanz seemed scummy on bmin and looked like he really wanted him lynched badly since it looked as though he was going to get lynched anyways.
@Tanz, any info this day?


Any thoughts guys?
NoHitter
Raging Bull:
I was playing passively this game? How so am I passive compared to the other games I played in?
Raging Bull
In most games I played with you, you seem to be involved a lot more by discussing strategies. In this game, you only discussed about RVS and misconception of GIF role.
Sephibro
we are massclaiming and poeing today

any objections?
Sephibro
claim format will be this one

character name
ability name: description

we'll also decide claim order before, from scummier to townier

Tanzklaue
fartownik
Nyquill
Raging Bull
NoHitter
Sephibro
bmin11

you can suggest your order too
Tanzklaue
Character Name: Shiki Eiki Yamaxanadu
Coroner:everytime somebody dies and he flips wrong or not at all, i will get the correct and/or full information on the flip.

as everyone can see, that kinda didn't happen, and it confuses me very much so. so @RB no, i don't have any information.
Tanzklaue
also DANZAI
NoHitter
... So Tanz why did you claim when:
A) We didn't all agree with it yet
B) Even if we did, the order hasn't been finalized yet.
bmin11

Sephibro wrote:

btw we could actually try to switch wagon too
if 3 of us can switch votes we could get someone else lynched

I would like to go for NoHitter, or rEdo

do you guys want to do this switch with me?

vote: NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

we'll also decide claim order before, from scummier to townier

Tanzklaue
fartownik
Nyquill
Raging Bull
NoHitter
Sephibro
bmin11

you can suggest your order too
What made you think NH was mafia during D2 and what made you to turn your read around?
Tanzklaue

NoHitter wrote:

... So Tanz why did you claim when:
A) We didn't all agree with it yet
B) Even if we did, the order hasn't been finalized yet.
because either way, i would've claimed. I get scumreads from everywhere and i still have no results regarding my role, if i wouldn't claim now then it's practically over for me.
Sephibro

bmin11 wrote:

What made you think NH was mafia during D2 and what made you to turn your read around?
he was playing in a very similar way to higurashi mafia
and then he was one of the first who helped lynching rEdo

please pay attention to the game, and try to be more active now that we're only 7


also yes, tanz's claim was mandatory in every case
Topic Starter
Jinxy
I'll be away for most of the day tomorrow, so The next votecount will be 8 hours later than usual.
bmin11
If we need agreements for mass claiming, I agree. The pool of people if small enough and we would be on LyLo if we miss lynch today. I agree with the order as well.
Sephibro
well fartownik and Nyquill have equal priority imo

so even if fartownik isn't claiming yet, you can claim yourself Nyquill
Nyquill
Character: Yakumo Ran
Double Voter: I have a second vote thanks to my shikigami CHEN F YEAH
I Debated saying that I am confirmable at lylo, but I actually don't know if thats safe or not, so I decided to just go ahead and claim.

Vote: Tanz
Second Vote: NoHitter
Mod: Votecount please
fartownik
K I'm here. Uni kicked in again. I will post my thoughts later when I'm fully awake.

Character: Byakuren Hijiri
Ability Name:Multiple different abilities over the range of 5 nights.

Basically every night my ability changes to a stronger one for 5 nights in a row. If I don't use the ability at a certain night, I can't use it anymore.

N1: 1-Shot Flavor Cop
N2: 1-Shot Cop
N3: 1-Shot Weak Doctor
N4: 1-Shot Doctor
N5: 1-Shot Strong-willed Vigilante

N1 targeted Nyquill, got Ran Yakumo result.
N2 targeted Dake but he died :<

Weak Doctor is a pretty tricky ability though. If I target non-scum and I'm alive, he's confirmed Town since if I target scum I die. Basically a Cop and Doctor alltogether, but with a risk of me dying at night :P
Nyquill
Vote: Fartownik
Second Vote: Tanz
Nyquill
please keep claiming guys
fartownik
And why you changed your vote to me?
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

claim format will be this one

character name
ability name: description

we'll also decide claim order before, from scummier to townier

Tanzklaue
fartownik
Nyquill
Raging Bull
NoHitter
Sephibro
bmin11

you can suggest your order too

character name Fujiwara no Mokou
1-Shot Bulletproof: Being immortal, I am unable to be killed and will revive after an attack, unfortunately I will still feel pain and if I get hit once again, I will be knocked unconscious.

I tried to get shot by GIF to confirm him but he keeps reading me as town.
fartownik

Raging Bull wrote:

I tried to get shot by GIF to confirm him but he keeps reading me as town.
:roll:

It was enough for GiF to be confirmed when 2 nightkills happened at once, what you tried to do would only have wasted his Vig.
fartownik
It also wouldn't confirm anyone, it'd just be WIFOM.
NoHitter
Yagokoro Eirin
Jailkeeper


Remember this post?

NoHitter wrote:

Also doc should probably be on GiF.
I wouldn't be surprised though if he gets RB'd
Pretty much me saying that if I doc someone they will be RB'd.
Raging Bull

fartownik wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I tried to get shot by GIF to confirm him but he keeps reading me as town.
:roll:

It was enough for GiF to be confirmed when 2 nightkills happened at once, what you tried to do would only have wasted his Vig.

Best case scenario is if he shot scum. But if he happened to shoot a townie then we lost two townies. I don't expect you guys to confirm me as townie when he shoots, but at least we wouldn't lose two townies to confirm one townie.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Vote Count 3.1
fartownik (1) - Nyquill
Tanzklaue (1) - Chen

Not Voting: Sephibro, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, NoHitter, fartownik, bmin11

Day ends in around 3 days and 17 hours.
NoHitter
^ Nyquill is pretty much town. Scum Doublevoter would be too OP.
fartownik
That's a vague argument. Doublevoters are as often Town as scum, at least from my experience.
NoHitter
Actually I do recall there being a doublevoter scum in Multiball as a hidden ability, but IIRC weren't doublevoters generally town-sided?
Sephibro
before i claim, Hitter who did you target n2?
Raging Bull

NoHitter wrote:

Actually I do recall there being a doublevoter scum in Multiball as a hidden ability, but IIRC weren't doublevoters generally town-sided?
You put a scum double voter in DotA.
Tanzklaue
doublevoter can be either town or scum, about 50/50.
NoHitter
Scum double voter that game was because of SmallTown, but generally they aren't mafia-aligned.

I targeted bmin N2.
NoHitter
Ninja'd by Tanz. Hmm I guess there must be something wrong with my mafia game hosting sense -_-
Sephibro
hitter who did you target n2?
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

hitter who did you target n2?

NoHitter wrote:

I targeted bmin N2.
Raging Bull
What was the reason for bmin?
Sephibro
oh missed it
then why target bmin?

i'm Sukuna Shinmyoumaru
Miracle Mallet: 2-shot motivator - each night, I may target someone to boost their abilities. They will be notified of the motivation at the start of the next day

i didn't target anyone n1, targeted gif n2

about Dake, farto do you really think he was vigged by gif? is there really someone who thinks that?

gotta eat now, i'll explain everithing later - think about it!
Raging Bull
hmm originally, I was going to say no, but it seem possible. D1, DD was probably a strong town read by GiF but in D2, his read on DD resetted. p/2789237/

Another possibility is Dake hiding behind farto. p/2784995/

@Mod, does hider die if she hides behind scum?

Final possibility is Dake hiding behind GiF, perhaps to not get shot by him. though I don't see any posts that can see that happening.
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

about Dake, farto do you really think he was vigged by gif? is there really someone who thinks that?
yea, dake probably hid behind gif, who was nightkilled.

which means gif either shot dake (with no result), rb (would you get notified if you were shot?) or, yet again, didn't shoot at all.
Tanzklaue

Raging Bull wrote:

hmm originally, I was going to say no, but it seem possible. D1, DD was probably a strong town read by GiF but in D2, his read on DD resetted. p/2789237/

Another possibility is Dake hiding behind farto. p/2784995/

@Mod, does hider die if she hides behind scum?

Final possibility is Dake hiding behind GiF, perhaps to not get shot by him. though I don't see any posts that can see that happening.
hider always dies when it hides behind scum. it's the basic mechanic of the role.
NoHitter
I jailed bmin N2, because he was a most likely town and had no immediate power I could interfere with my block.
Also, GiF wasn't likely going to shoot bmin. If I tried going for blocking scum, I may have protected them by mistake.
Sephibro

Jinxy wrote:

Flandre Scarlet finally reached home after another day of the meeting. She wasn't supposed to even be there, but somehow, things managed to work out. Until Remilia's disappearance, anyway.

”Has big sis come back yet, Sakuya?”

“I’m afraid not, Lady Flandre. ...By the way, are you sure Milady agreed to you going out?”

“Nope, I lied, actually! But I met her at the meeting anyway. She was reaaaalllly angry at first, but then she made me promise not to blow anyone up unless they were the bad people, and then I could stay!”

“...I see. I’ll prepare your meal and bath right away.”
And with that, the Scarlet Devil Mansion’s chief maid vanished almost instantly.

”Ah, did something happen to your sister?”

“!!! You’re… the satori from underground?”

”Yeah, I’m Komeiji Koishi, and I’ll be staying here tonight! Don’t worry, you won’t even notice me!”

“That certainly makes things easier for us...”

!?



“Lady Flandre, your dinner is rea-!”

GuyInFreezer - Flandre Scarlet - Town 1-Shot Vigilante - Killed N2
DakeDekaane - Komeiji Koishi - Town Hider - Killed N2
Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

which means gif either shot dake (with no result), rb (would you get notified if you were shot?) or, yet again, didn't shoot at all.
what about a roleblock
fartownik
Yeah, the flavor is blatantly saying that Dake hid behind GiF. That's probably what happened.

GiF probably wasted his shot on Dake because I doubt he would risk not shooting again.
Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

which means gif either shot dake (with no result), rb (would you get notified if you were shot?) or, yet again, didn't shoot at all.
what about a roleblock
didn't consider that.

or he did target someone who was protected (eg bmin)
Raging Bull

Sephibro wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Flandre Scarlet finally reached home after another day of the meeting. She wasn't supposed to even be there, but somehow, things managed to work out. Until Remilia's disappearance, anyway.

”Has big sis come back yet, Sakuya?”

“I’m afraid not, Lady Flandre. ...By the way, are you sure Milady agreed to you going out?”

“Nope, I lied, actually! But I met her at the meeting anyway. She was reaaaalllly angry at first, but then she made me promise not to blow anyone up unless they were the bad people, and then I could stay!”

“...I see. I’ll prepare your meal and bath right away.”
And with that, the Scarlet Devil Mansion’s chief maid vanished almost instantly.

”Ah, did something happen to your sister?”

“!!! You’re… the satori from underground?”

”Yeah, I’m Komeiji Koishi, and I’ll be staying here tonight! Don’t worry, you won’t even notice me!”

“That certainly makes things easier for us...”

!?



“Lady Flandre, your dinner is rea-!”

GuyInFreezer - Flandre Scarlet - Town 1-Shot Vigilante - Killed N2
DakeDekaane - Komeiji Koishi - Town Hider - Killed N2
Oh damn, I should read what the mod posts anyways.

Can there really be JK and RB at the same time usually?
Sephibro

Raging Bull wrote:

Oh damn, I should read what the mod posts anyways.

Can there really be JK and RB at the same time usually?
i'm not sure about it
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