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NoHitter
EBWOP: Four pages ago.
Sephibro

Sephibro wrote:

I WANT NH, BRBP and DD to talk now
i forgot rEdo, too

btw NH, why do you feel posting as a "duty"?
Sakura
So Sephibro I'm not happy with you self-pushing rEdo without actually voting him, why dont you want to put him at L-1?
Sakura
EBWOP: Soft-Pushing
Sephibro

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Logic says scum, gut says town.
My idea on rEdo is quite the opposite: gut says scum, logic says town.
There was no pressure on him when he came off with voting himself and catching up everyone's attention. His posts suggest me he's a townie who's not giving much fuck about this game, more than scum. I don't want to put him on L-1 because it would be an easy hammer, and honestly i prefer No Lynch on lynching rEdo now
DakeDekaane
Hi.

Why did you vote Rantai again Sephibro? You were already voting him, and you say you prefer No-Lynch, really what?
GuyInFreezer
No Lynch d1 is always bad.
Sephibro

DakeDekaane wrote:

Hi.

Why did you vote Rantai again Sephibro? You were already voting him, and you say you prefer No-Lynch, really what?

Sephibro wrote:

unvote Rantai
k
Sakura
So we're running low on time gotta lynch something or risk No Lynch.
Irreversible
so if we don't hammer there won't be a lynch?
Sephibro

CalignoBot wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Mod: What happens when there is no majority when the deadline is reached? Does a prulality lynch occur or no lynch?
If at least one person is at L-1, they will be lynched. Otherwise, no lynch will occur. This is to give some leeway while also requiring at least some form of consensus.
Sakura

Irreversible wrote:

so if we don't hammer there won't be a lynch?
Actually it doesnt say on the rules that there will be (as far as i saw at least), but it's the norm on MS, and since Caligno came from there i'd assume so.

@Mod: If there's no lynch by deadline will a plurality lynch happen or will there be a no lynch
Sakura
P-Ed: nvm
Sephibro
@mod: prods pls
Irreversible
sephi, why do you change your subject just so often. ><
Sephibro
do you even read my posts or are you just begging to have my vote on you
pieguyn

fartownik wrote:

Sakura wrote:

So you wanna lynch an Un-CC'd doctor-like PR?
Is he confirmed Doctor? I don't think so.
uu this post.. = =
mb it's just playstyle but I fking hate this type of reasoning. it's completely nothing but confbias. shit like this is such a scumtell for me that it makes me question that mb you're not even town and GIF needs to survive with a mafia, but such a possibility isn't worth considering for now. and we're not lynching Sephi just because you think he's lying
GuyInFreezer
Don't you even dare
Sephibro
I agree that acting that cocky as a town is just silly
btw, if i were an investigative role I think I would ask about farto on N1. Also Rantai and pieguy are good choices

And important question: why do you think that ending D1 with a lynch would be better than No Lynch?
Sakura
A lynch gives town information.
GuyInFreezer

Sephibro wrote:

I agree that acting that cocky as a town is just silly
btw, if i were an investigative role I think I would ask about farto on N1. Also Rantai and pieguy are good choices

And important question: why do you think that ending D1 with a lynch would be better than No Lynch?
1. That's just a personally tell, not alignment-indicative tell unless he's known to be cocky as scum more than when he's town.
2. Directing inv role is bad bad bad.
3. What Sakura said.
pieguyn

Sakura wrote:

A lynch gives town information.
this. I'll never forget Touhou IV where town NL'ed on D1 and D3 and they got pretty much nowhere and eventually ended up losing. then the same thing happened on some other game on D1 and we were stuck for all of D2. if we NL we'll get pretty much nowhere
Sephibro
That's not worth imo

Sephibro wrote:

Our options are:
1. No Lynch - pros: since every character has at least one ability, we won't risk to lose any and we would still gather information from Nightkill's flip; if Nightkill does not occour it's all in town's favor, obviously. If we lynch a town and then another town dies N1, it's much worse than losing only one. cons: we have no chance of getting a scum killed D1 (but it's only 1/6, 1/4 or 1/3, depending if scum are 2, 3 or 4 IMO it's not worth)
2. Keep pressuring someone to get other possible information - pros: if we pressure a scum, there'll be a fakeclaim which we will eventually unmask. If we pressure a town, we'll also get useful information. cons: scum will read town's claims too
3. Policy Lynch - pros: we'll get information due to the flip. cons: we have high chance of getting a town lynched
Again, my analysis at this point is:

No Lynch: we'll probably get a flip due to nightkill. If no nightkill occurs we'll have PR's info
Lynch: remember that every role has abilities > we have the risk of getting an important PR lynched, and to start D2 with 2 town less

Maybe i'm too scientifical in playing this game, but my aim is to maximize our chances of victory
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.09

Clawing your own throat out in a telephone booth is a bad way to go.

[5] rEdo -- Sakura, DakeDekaane, pieguy1372, GuyInFreezer, Irreversible (L-2)
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BRBP
[1] Zexion -- NoHitter
[1] Sephibro -- fartownik

[0] BRBP --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] fartownik --
[0] GuyInFreezer --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Rantai --

[1] No Lynch -- Zexion

Not Voting -- rEdo, Sephibro
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.

NoHitter is V/LA until Oct. 17.
Searching for a replacement for Zexion.
BRBP and rEdo are in prod range. Prodding.
pieguyn

Sephibro wrote:

Maybe i'm too scientifical in playing this game, but my aim is to maximize our chances of victory
every single D1 NL I've seen has completely lowered town's chances of victory, due to the lack of information. the last thing we need is for the same to happen here :?
Sephibro
ok then, if no replacement is found i guess that best choice is to lynch Zexion, since he won't take his night action too
GuyInFreezer
Mafia ain't all about math.

Also think this way.
If everyone is PR, losing one PR wouldn't be much of a loss.
Sakura
Everyone was a PR on that touhou game too, guess what happened because no lynch.
pieguyn
sheep
Topic Starter
Amianki
Disrespect replaces Zexion effective immediately.
NoHitter

Sephibro wrote:

btw NH, why do you feel posting as a "duty"?
What gave you that idea? I post only when I have something to say.

Also Sephi, why are you bring up that no-lynch again. I feel as if you're relying on PRs too much rather than good old scumhunting. Maybe no-lynch will allow all the PRs to use their actions, but lynching is the only way we can kill scum (excluding vigs).
Sakura

CalignoBot wrote:

Disrespect replaces Zexion effective immediately.
"Registered 26 minutes ago"

what... I kinda hope its someone that came from MS or something just to replace in here or peppy's gonna have a field day with him.
Sephibro
@mod: do this pls

Sephibro wrote:

@mod: to make it easier to read everyone's ISO:

1. pieguy1372
2. NoHitter
3. fartownik
4. Rantai - Raging Bull
5. BRBP
6. Sakura
7. Sephibro
8. Irreversible
9. rEdo
10. GuyInFreezer - Blue Yoshi
11. Disrespect - Zexion
12. DakeDekaane

copy this code and use it in the first post
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Welcome Disrespect
Disrespect_old

Sakura wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Disrespect replaces Zexion effective immediately.
"Registered 26 minutes ago"

what... I kinda hope its someone that came from MS or something just to replace in here or peppy's gonna have a field day with him.
You're Sakura Hana aren't you?
I also see GiF.



Man this is going to be a ball.
Sakura
Yes I am and I can assume you do come from MS so yay.

Who are you in MS anyway?
Disrespect_old

Sakura wrote:

Yes I am and I can assume you do come from MS so yay.

Who are you in MS anyway?
What's gone down thus far?
Sakura
I claimed day/night 1-shot vig that only gets her shot after certain conditions are met but cant get her HS reduced, GiF claimed survivor with Mion (claimed by fartownik), and sephibro claimed Furude Rika who can reduce other people's HS, rEdo's the main wagon now if you haven't noticed... and before I forget

Mod: Do we get a deadline extension because of the replacement?
Topic Starter
Amianki
Yes. 48 hours added to the deadline.
Sakura
I'm not going to force you to tell me who you are tho, but if you're someone i know it would be nice to know who you are so I know how to read you better.
Disrespect_old

Sakura wrote:

I claimed day/night 1-shot vig that only gets her shot after certain conditions are met but cant get her HS reduced, GiF claimed survivor with Mion (claimed by fartownik), and sephibro claimed Furude Rika who can reduce other people's HS, rEdo's the main wagon now if you haven't noticed... and before I forget

Mod: Do we get a deadline extension because of the replacement?
Lynch the survivor.
What is "HS"?

Ofc I haven't noticed.
Disrespect_old
Vote: GiF
assuming this format works
Sakura
HS is some special mechanic in this game, basically your HS level starts at 2, and scum instead of having the traditional nightkill they can increase multiple people's HS, if someone reaches HS Level 5 they suicide. So we may not get NKs tonight, but it's possible after a couple days multiple people suicide.
Sakura
So yeah, why the survivor tho?
Disrespect_old
/inb4 someone is all "wanting to lynch survivor? must be scum avoiding chasing scum"

no
I just got here
there is a non-town claim
some easy bullshit claim for scum to fake
Sakura
A survivor can work with the town if they want, and GiF is doing just that so I don't think i wanna lynch him yet just because his wincon is different.

btw GiF's ISO: search.php?author_id=2746131&t=157876
Blue Yoshi's (GiF's predecessor) ISO: search.php?author_id=3116477&t=157876

not much in BY's ISO but both of them were looking for Mion.
Sakura
Should be noted that in this site ISOs appear backwards (Latest post first, first post last)
Disrespect_old
win con is different
don't trust him



lynch all nontown members
why has this not happened
Sakura
Probably because i dont want it to be a repeat of this: p/2625679
Sephibro
I agree with Disrespect here, I had the idea of lynching GIF on D2 or D3, mostly because his wincon could be different from what he says. I still don't think he's scum but it's not sure - vote: GIF
Disrespect_old
sakura scum

sephi town
Sakura
this guy really smells familiar.

Brb while i go through every single game i've played and see if i can find out who he is. Also I don't like how he's meta shielding himself from me.
Sephibro
and sakura, that was a lylo situation of a game in which there was one retarded dayvig (ops it was me), it's much different now
Disrespect_old

Sakura wrote:

this guy really smells familiar.

Brb while i go through every single game i've played and see if i can find out who he is. Also I don't like how he's meta shielding himself from me.
I am familiar. You know me.

I'm here for this one game and this one game only.
If you think its REALLY worth the need for a bit of meta you won't actually use than maybe you are as dumb as I think.

Treat me as some player you haven't played yet and move on.
Sakura
So you REALLY want to metashield yourself from me.
Disrespect_old
I don't think you're intelligent enough to actually use it.
Disrespect_old
Surprise- if you think I were coming here with my MS name and shit all waving in the breeze then think again.

One game. One game only.
Sakura
My guess is Iso.
Disrespect_old
I will read sometime and catch up.
Until then all of you consider lynching some "survivor" nonsense and think real hard about how great of an asset he's going to be.
Sakura
It's like the only person in MS i've found with an attitude like that like the game's solved from the second they step in.
Disrespect_old
I'm not ISO.
Sakura
Another guess would be prohawk i guess...
Sakura
or ThAd
Disrespect_old
Wrong again. I actually know of prohawk though.
Disrespect_old
ThAd is a great guy.
Sakura
Like why in the flying duck do you think you need to metashield from me if i'm "not intelligent enough" to use meta.
Rantai
Here I was concerned he was another one of those people who make illogical plays. At least he's making some sense.
GuyInFreezer
I side wherever Mion is sided. And he's confirmed town you know.
Also I'm more closer to the unlyncher with extra wincon req to survive.
If I was just a pure survivor I wouldn't have claimed
fartownik
Against lynching GiF, Disrespect read the damn thread before trying to post. The "Mion" thing came up right in the beginning, mentioned by Blue Yoshi. I seriously doubt scum would plan ahead such fakeclaim with a fake character, not even knowing what are the other characters left around. I don't say it's impossible, I just don't believe it in this case.

Sephibro, you probably voted every single player that is present in this game already.
Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

Against lynching GiF, Disrespect read the damn thread before trying to post. The "Mion" thing came up right in the beginning, mentioned by Blue Yoshi. I seriously doubt scum would plan ahead such fakeclaim with a fake character, not even knowing what are the other characters left around. I don't say it's impossible, I just don't believe it in this case.
You didn't understand anything

fartownik wrote:

Sephibro, you probably voted every single player that is present in this game already.
...and?
Sephibro
And Disrespect and Sakura, stop it already
GuyInFreezer
Sephi you mentioned that I might have a different wincon.
What do you have in mind?
And whatever you have in mind, tie it with this question: "does claiming third party d1 help fulfilling that wincon?"

Also someone asked what's the town benefit of keeping me alive.

First of all, scum can't touch Mion as long as I'm alive. Since fartownik looks like a good player, that matters a lot.
Second of all, my wincon and such force me to play pro-town to increase my chance of winning.

Now, is there a good reason why town should lynch town-leaning neutral instead of scum just because "lolthirdparty"?
Sephibro
1. I mentioned that your wincon MIGHT be different from what you said
2. What I have in mind is "lynching claimed non-town is better than lynching town"
3. That's one of the reasons why i said that I would ask about farto if I were inv, since if he's scum we'll have to lynch you and then kill him on two different days (or using Sakura's ability)

Btw yes, probably it's a bad idea to lynch you on D1, from your posts it looks like your interests are the same as town

unvote

I'm looking forward to more Disrespect posts, as soon as he finishes reading the thread
rEdo
V/LA until 20th of October, won't have the access to the Internet this whole weekend
Sakura
Dont worry by then you probably will have been lynched anyways.
fartownik

Sephibro wrote:

Sephibro, you probably voted every single player that is present in this game already.
...and?[/quote]
Your votes don't mean anything to me except that the person gets +1 in the votecount.
fartownik
^ random quote mess
Sephibro
i'm sorry for you

Sephibro wrote:

acting that cocky as a town is just silly
Sakura
@farto: they are still well worth VCA later on in the game.
Sephibro

Sakura wrote:

VCA
I don't know this abbreviation
Sakura
VCA = Vote Count Analysis
GuyInFreezer
also that Disrespect dude is probably timeater or someone like that.
fartownik

Sephibro wrote:

acting that cocky as a town is just silly
Tell that to Disrespect.
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

also that Disrespect dude is probably timeater or someone like that.
You're probably right actually. I remember how he entered that thread like everything was solved just because he was there and telling everyone to sheep him because he was "too pro at mafia" and he was scum.
Rantai
Not sure why you guys are so enamored on who he is. He's a player, he has put forward his thoughts - no different to anyone else? It's sort of derailing the discussion a bit.

From where I stand, I can see the reasoning behind lynching GiF (sephi actually mentions something that makes sense) but I still feel we have better candidates than him (I'm sorry but I cannot see 2 mafia pulling a gambit like that this early in the game unprovoked and this particular neutral doesn't seem to be detrimental at the moment unless there is some janky scum x town role(s)).

I still don't believe redo is the way to go here but I highly doubt I can convince anyone to lynch otherwise (I gave my full thoughts, if no one agrees then oh well). I'd still rather see a pieguy lynch or to a lesser extent, DD.
GuyInFreezer
Then Rantai could answer this question.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Sephi you mentioned that I might have a different wincon.
What do you have in mind?
And whatever you have in mind, tie it with this question: "does claiming third party d1 help fulfilling that wincon?"
GuyInFreezer
Deadline is nigh.

Ppl who's not voting rEdo already, do so now.
Also don't even dare touching fartownik tonight or you'll be paying with your life.
You have been warned.
fartownik

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Deadline is nigh.

Ppl who's not voting rEdo already, do so now.
Also don't even dare touching fartownik tonight or you'll be paying with your life.
You have been warned.
My hero :^)
DakeDekaane
Still a better love story than Twilight.
Sakura

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Deadline is nigh.
Wasn't it extended by 48 hours?
Sephibro
vote: DD
Irreversible

Sakura wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Deadline is nigh.
Wasn't it extended by 48 hours?
yup.. 21.10 now
Sephibro
lol irre nice avatar
Sakura
Makes me think he's Andrea lol
Irreversible
Noo, I'm just supporting Italy orz xD
I like your ava too btw sakura, fits nice to your green name. ^.^~
DakeDekaane
Sephibro, are you sure voting me? I mean, what reasons do you have to vote me? You're basically just jumping around everyone, pls stop.
Sephibro
ok let's stop blowing each other and let's try to say something useful
1. why hasn't Disrespect posted yet?
2. why does everybody want to kill rEdo?
3. who do you think we should lynch?
Irreversible

DakeDekaane wrote:

You're basically just jumping around everyone, pls stop.
When I said Sephibro raged at me, so i'm wondering why he didn't rage at you?


And those questions sephi.. you tell me to read but don't do it yourself? o.e
Sephibro
i didn't understand your first sentence
About the second one, what makes you think i haven't read some posts?
Sephibro
oh and another question

4. if you were scum, would you put your partners among Not Lynching, Ok with Lynching or Willing to Lynch?
Sakura

Sephibro wrote:

4. if you were scum, would you put your partners among Not Lynching, Ok with Lynching or Willing to Lynch?
Do you realize how useless of a question this is?
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