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[resolved] Windows 8.1 Mouse Cursor Issues [confirmed] [READ FOR FIX]

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iTaSou
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iTaSou
　

　
Please see this wiki article for a fix: osu!wiki: Windows 8.1 cursor stuttering solution




I just upgraded to Windows 8.1 and when open osu! I get this problem.

Mouse cursor can't controllable when setting Mouse sensitivity higher than 1.0x

I'm trying to rotate my mouse.

At 1.0x It's normal, but when set to 1.1x. It's look weird.
Then set it higher It'll uncontrollable. :?

Edit: Lower 1.0x have same effect, only 1.0x working fine.

Precision disabled in mouse setting. No external mouse software.





peppy
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peppy
I can replicate this.
peppy
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peppy
This looks to be an issue at Microsoft's end. The API to change the mouse cursors location no longer works.

I have reported it here: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... bd2ad4a90a
7djames7
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Joined February 2013
7djames7

peppy wrote:

This looks to be an issue at Microsoft's end. The API to change the mouse cursors location no longer works.

I have reported it here: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... bd2ad4a90a
Are you sure it's the API. Just asking because my touchpad still works even though the mouse doesn't when I set the sensitivity to 2.5x.
peppy
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Yes. I am sure. Else I wouldn't have said anything.
MillhioreF
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MillhioreF
Moving to low priority for now, as peppy has done all he can for the moment.
ImmortalObj
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Joined December 2012
ImmortalObj
Me too on my desktop (not VM)
Windows 8.1 (Latest Update complete and Build 9431)

When fix this problem?
I want to play!!!!
lee83t
1 post
Joined September 2010
lee83t
i found some answer.
resultly,
they say

"SendInput() works."

is ok?
peppy
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peppy
Until the final release, I cannot support this. Please use 1.0x or rollback.
TakuMii
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TakuMii
Just for the record, I'm using the final retail build (9600), and this is still a problem. Unless Microsoft releases a hotfix post-release, this will still be a problem when Windows 8.1 launches.
iTaSou
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Joined August 2010
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iTaSou

YayMii wrote:

Just for the record, I'm using the final retail build (9600), and this is still a problem. Unless Microsoft releases a hotfix post-release, this will still be a problem when Windows 8.1 launches.
8.1 build 9600 is 'leaked' release and Microsoft doesn't provide any support on this release.

We have to wait for official release to fix this.
TakuMii
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TakuMii
9600 is the final RTM build, which was officially released on MSDN to developers and manufacturers, who get it earlier than the public. And peppy just confirmed on his twitter that the RTM build still doesn't have this fixed, so this won't be fixed unless there is a hotfix post-release.
peppy
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peppy
Depending on my VM settings, I can actually make it work correctly on 9600.winblue_rtm.130821-1623. I found this out after posting on twitter. I am waiting for confirmation of people running in a non-VM environment, as I don't have the resources to test this currently.
TakuMii
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TakuMii
I'll give my build number another check when I get home then. I'm running Windows 8.1 Pro (Build 9600) in a non-VM environment on my desktop PC and I'm having this issue. I'm pretty sure that 9600.winblue_rtm.130821-1623 is the only build with the 9600 tag though.

Is the setting you changed only relevant to VMs? If not, what did you change?
peppy
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I have mouse-specific driver hacks at an OS X level, and parallels has game optimisations settings at a VM level. One combination of these makes the mouse work as expected again.
TakuMii
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TakuMii
Alright, my registry's "BuildLab" key reads "9600.winblue_rtm.130821-1623", so it's safe to assume we're on the same build.
As I've said before, I'm running it natively and still having the issue. So I believe that the fix on your end has to do with the VM, and not with the build of Windows 8.1.
Dissentient
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Joined August 2009
Dissentient
Just installed 8.1 release, still not resolved.
tssge
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Joined March 2012
tssge
Just installed Windows 8.1 from store, not fixed. Think I'll have to stick 1.0x...
iTaSou
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Joined August 2010
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iTaSou
I'm upgraded 8.0 > 8.1 today

In my case, It's fixed. whether lower or higher than 1.0x. Not fully resolve.

Easily visible in song selection and main menu. But normal behavior in options menu.

Edit: I play with 0.8x and it's playable. (still have little effect.) Even 1.6x make worse to control mouse but when start game it can play. :shock:
Darkimmortal
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Joined May 2008
Darkimmortal
In a Reddit thread on this subject, someone made the point that any driverless mouse (onboard memory etc.) is less badly affected.

I can play the game with as much accuracy as before with my Xai, however I'm getting a fair bit of input lag - it feels the cursor position only updates 60 times a second. I normally play at 300-500 fps on 120hz with a polling rate of 960hz, so the difference is very noticeable. The performance is identical to 60fps limit on 8.0.

The reddit thread also mentioned that raw mouse input games are unaffected, hopefully this is feasible to implement.
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Espionage724
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Espionage724
There's a rather large thread on MDL about the issue: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/thread ... g-in-Games

In any case, I usually always play at 1.0x, and haven't noticed any issue. I tried messing with the in-game sensitivity though, and the cursor got erratic. Wasn't too bad at values below 1.0x (but still noticeable), but it got real bad at values above 1.0x.

This is with a Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000 with 2.2.173 Mouse and Keyboard Center drivers (latest) on 8.1 RTM (with GA updates).
peppy
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That thread is not the same issue, for what it's worth. This is also no longer low priority, as win8.1 has been released.
Espionage724
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Espionage724
Ah, I see.

Probably doesn't need any more confirmation, but here's a video also:
Yanaginagi
8 posts
Joined July 2012
Yanaginagi
I downgraded back to 8 because of this.
knot4ever
17 posts
Joined October 2010
knot4ever
You dont need to downgrade your windows.

Search on google for rinput 1.3, its inject dll on the exec to force use directinput work fine here.


exec rinput.exe then type osu!.exe, open osu! and play. =)
Darkimmortal
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Darkimmortal

knot4ever wrote:

You dont need to downgrade your windows.

Search on google for rinput 1.3, its inject dll on the exec to force use directinput work fine here.


exec rinput.exe then type osu!.exe, open osu! and play. =)
Wow, this is extremely impressive stuff.

Seems to be quite tricky to get hold of, so I've mirrored it here: http://dl.weeaboo.com/rinput131.rar

Will try it later on :)
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Darkimmortal
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Darkimmortal
Also earlier in the thread I mentioned a 60fps vsync effect - this was actually my mistake - my nvidia optimus settings had reset during the 8.1 upgrade so it was running on the integrated graphics

The only issue is the 200hz limit on mouse rate, and until Microsoft provide a fix for this, DirectInput is the only solution for osu. The solution proposed on some sites of compatibility mode and disabled DPI system doesn't work and is likely placebo as it appears to apply a vsync-like effect.
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knot4ever
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Joined October 2010
knot4ever
i had problems with my video drivers too, i just reinstall.

but my its amd driver.
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Espionage724
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Espionage724

knot4ever wrote:

You dont need to downgrade your windows.

Search on google for rinput 1.3, its inject dll on the exec to force use directinput work fine here.


exec rinput.exe then type osu!.exe, open osu! and play. =)
I could be wrong, but I vaguely recall trying to use this, and had no clicks register. Not sure on any specifics other than that though... (not on 8.1 to test it atm either)

But if it works for others, then I guess there was something wrong on my part.
knot4ever
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Joined October 2010
knot4ever
Games like battlefield have directinput, the dev from osu, could put option for directinput, in options.
knot4ever
17 posts
Joined October 2010
knot4ever
Another way.

If Control Panel, Appearance and Personalization, Display shows a 'Smaller...Larger' slider.

Try clicking the 'Let me choose one scaling level for all my displays' checkbox.

Apply Markc mousefix.

work fine with 1 senstivity.

i think osu senstivity change windows sensitivity, then the markc mousefix stop work.
Darkimmortal
264 posts
Joined May 2008
Darkimmortal

knot4ever wrote:

Another way.

If Control Panel, Appearance and Personalization, Display shows a 'Smaller...Larger' slider.

Try clicking the 'Let me choose one scaling level for all my displays' checkbox.

Apply Markc mousefix.

work fine with 1 senstivity.

i think osu senstivity change windows sensitivity, then the markc mousefix stop work.
It fixes the 1:1 movement certainly

But it doesn't do anything about the 200hz polling limit, which makes mouse play at a high skill level significantly harder
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