oh man check out this sick #1 it even has good accuracy AnFace has lost first place god damnit kevin
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Topic Starter
Anface > If he ever touches my best performance I swear to God I'm gonna yell in #taiko he's a heartless bastard
And if he ever finds my excused DS scores and accuses me of it I'mma just laugh at his poor face
And if he ever finds my excused DS scores and accuses me of it I'mma just laugh at his poor face
He took mine worth 11pp already and then negativemind took it from him so it's all fair?
it's not fair
i'm not good enough to handle this hell
it's not fair
i'm not good enough to handle this hell
Topic Starter
HRDT everything
just look at my first hardcore
didn't even bother trying to beat me
just look at my first hardcore
didn't even bother trying to beat me
get on my level
but really i have a hard time playing anything over like 190 if there's patterns harder than ddddddddd
but really i have a hard time playing anything over like 190 if there's patterns harder than ddddddddd
Teach me how to play high BPM 1/6 :c
Like half the misses and a bunch of 100s come from my anti virus software opening a popup and lagging the game close to the end, so even more sadness was felt this day </3
pro Rubytic is pro
btw, lucky first tries below
btw, lucky first tries below
How about adding a column for play style as well? like kddk, ddkk, etc.
Why not? We can do that if people post them. That's a nice idea.Makar wrote:
How about adding a column for play style as well? like kddk, ddkk, etc.
-Added one and adding configs of people's I already know.
Then you should add mine as well: kddkBabukus wrote:
Why not? We can do that if people post them. That's a nice idea.Makar wrote:
How about adding a column for play style as well? like kddk, ddkk, etc.
-Added one and adding configs of people's I already know.
Cool, a new column for play style, the sheet continues to grow more detailed :3
Added~Norbi wrote:
Then you should add mine as well: kddk
Adding me just like that, and even misspelling my name
;_;
oh well, dominant mods are HD/HR
or at least pretty much only mods because I'm slow and fl is for Asians
;_;
oh well, dominant mods are HD/HR
or at least pretty much only mods because I'm slow and fl is for Asians
Aww, it's ok. I fixed it for you.boat wrote:
Adding me just like that, and even misspelling my name
;_;
Pretty sure I need to see screenshots as proof that you're good with HD/HR :3boat wrote:
oh well, dominant mods are HD/HR
or at least pretty much only mods because I'm slow and fl is for Asians
added all and some I know, and updated some other things
Kuro wrote:
Pretty sure I need to see screenshots as proof that you're good with HD/HR :3
I'm not particularly good at taiko in general though and don't really know what to send you for HR as it's more a matter of that I'm not really fast enough to play anything particularly hard even nomod, but eh
HR
And this, although you might want to watch the actual replay itself since I messed something up and it looks by miles harder than it is.
And this, although you might want to watch the actual replay itself since I messed something up and it looks by miles harder than it is.
holy crap, that HR acc
:O
also lol that FL statement
:O
also lol that FL statement
Lol, well from the looks of it, you're good enoughboat wrote:
Kuro wrote:
Pretty sure I need to see screenshots as proof that you're good with HD/HR :3
I'm not particularly good at taiko in general though and don't really know what to send you for HR as it's more a matter of that I'm not really fast enough to play anything particularly hard even nomod, but ehHR
And for what it's worth might aswell add these two despite that they're actually pretty easy
added~
I FUCKING HATE THIS MAP #randomrant
nvm I literally suck a lot at acc
nvm I literally suck a lot at acc
Just to make your list perfect, I used to play with kddk.
addedMara wrote:
Just to make your list perfect, I used to play with kddk.
2nd try was 5 miss but haven't got much time to upload that
going to sleep \o
I play KDDK full-alternation style.
booyea
booyea
added 
Just got this. I'm getting dramatically skill boosted again fellas.
Also can "Full-Alt" or something to that extent be placed next to my KDDK?
I only ask because I'm one of the very rare players that uses a full-alternation style and I'd like to be proud of it :3
Also can "Full-Alt" or something to that extent be placed next to my KDDK?
I only ask because I'm one of the very rare players that uses a full-alternation style and I'd like to be proud of it :3
a general in the army of my heartKuro wrote:
lol, what?AnFace wrote:
kuro are you a general now
also kddk
...I'll never HR SS anything with 1k+ combo 
No buts! was first play which made me even more depressed, Cat Food is OD6 before HR so it's not quite as sad
I guess I need to work harder for that Asian accuracy ヽ(￣д￣;)ノ
No buts! was first play which made me even more depressed, Cat Food is OD6 before HR so it's not quite as sad
I guess I need to work harder for that Asian accuracy ヽ(￣д￣;)ノ
Topic Starter
added as well the playing keys. expecting a lot of DFJKs though
Luna wrote:
I guess I need to work harder for that Asian accuracy ヽ(￣д￣;)ノ
Trying to get Asian accuracy on HR is painful sometimes.
wouldn't it be better to just combine the key layout/style into one column?
instead of ddkk and dfjk, use dfjk
instead of ddkk and dfjk, use dfjk
Can't use more than one color for text in the spreadsheet. We tried at first but couldn't do it so we chose one color.Makar wrote:
wouldn't it be better to just combine the key layout/style into one column?
instead of ddkk and dfjk, use dfjk
I guess you don't know how to use the awesome power of google docs properly then 
note: disregard fake data
note: disregard fake data
I use FG :"
not AS KL
not AS KL
Topic Starter
don't forget one thing :
layouts differ from one country to another
more like from international to shitty french and german
guess what's the worst
layouts differ from one country to another
more like from international to shitty french and german
guess what's the worst
I never use spreadsheet on google docs, only docs or powerpoint. Spare me!Makar wrote:
I guess you don't know how to use the awesome power of google docs properly then
note: disregard fake data
addedDirty Sanchez wrote:
I use FG :"
not AS KL
Okay then_Gezo_ wrote:
don't forget one thing :
layouts differ from one country to another
more like from international to shitty french and german
guess what's the worst
To everyone that can edit the spreadsheet: I updated the entire Taiko Mapper column. Feel free to make changes if you find anything wrong.
ZXNM qwerty
Seph
you're not alone, mateDirty Sanchez wrote:
I only ask because I'm one of the very rare players that uses a full-alternation style and I'd like to be proud of it :3
Orukaa and I full-alt too \o (gonna watch more of his replays to assure, though)
added, Busty
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>mfw I play HD all the time but I can also read 200 BPM HR pretty well
#talk
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>mfw I play HD all the time but I can also read 200 BPM HR pretty well
#talk
Add me.
Mapper: No
Mods: HR
Retired: No
Style: kddk
Keys: q w num7 num8 (qwerty)
Mapper: No
Mods: HR
Retired: No
Style: kddk
Keys: q w num7 num8 (qwerty)
now that's the way to do it. Added, L4B.loe4boe wrote:
Add me.
Mapper: No
Mods: HR
Retired: No
Style: kddk
Keys: q w num7 num8 (qwerty)
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LOLWTF IS THIS SORCERY
^lol, at least you're consistent I guess =P
If anyone wants to be added to the spreadsheet from now on please fill out:
Mapper:
Mods:
Retired:
Play Style:
Keys:
It will make it a lot easier. Since I had to search forums for key configs of other people. lol
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Thanks for loe4boe for this.
edit--thanks Gezo for putting it in the OP.
Mapper:
Mods:
Retired:
Play Style:
Keys:
It will make it a lot easier. Since I had to search forums for key configs of other people. lol
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Thanks for loe4boe for this.
edit--thanks Gezo for putting it in the OP.
Topic Starter
WTF.
also babu > gonna add it to the OP
also babu > gonna add it to the OP
I didn't want to be added in the first place .<.
But it's alright.
But it's alright.
I guess I could be considered a HD Specialist?
Come with complaints as you please.
edit: for some reason it changes the game mode to CtB when searching. Change it to Taiko.
Come with complaints as you please.
edit: for some reason it changes the game mode to CtB when searching. Change it to Taiko.
Topic Starter
http://osustats.ppy.sh/HY
(change to taiko too)
wtf it did not include Her Majesty because I used Perfect .w.
I have a shit ton of HR SS scores though >>
(change to taiko too)
wtf it did not include Her Majesty because I used Perfect .w.
I have a shit ton of HR SS scores though >>
Yup. Almost an FC.
Almost passed two insane maps today too and they're my new goals.
New goals:
Pass Gothic System
Pass Do I Smile [Firce Force]
Almost passed two insane maps today too and they're my new goals.
New goals:
Pass Gothic System
Pass Do I Smile [Firce Force]
oh c'mon AnFace, acc just a bit more and you'll get it again =v=
>tfw no pp
>tfw no pp
I would cry so damn hard (has happened to me before a long time ago).AnFace wrote:
retired pls
Topic Starter
Rubytic wrote:
lucky acc
I didn't expect 98%
real way
anface >
the S DTFL in #3 was 1 point away from ikkun who used to be #1
rage
You put -xX cherry Xx- wrong there
also I use default keys kddk zxcv (qwerty) /lefty
also I use default keys kddk zxcv (qwerty) /lefty
fixed it :bJhowM wrote:
You put -xX cherry Xx- wrong there
also I use default keys kddk zxcv (qwerty) /lefty
Rubytic2pro x_x
Topic Starter
rubytic, don't finger me thanks OAO
My only way to play taiko_Gezo_ wrote:
rubytic, don't finger me thanks OAO
Me not good at acc or even I can't do well taiko diff
stream is the only way to do(finger hurts ouch)
Topic Starter
I have talked to a few people that are a bit outside this mode, concerning FL. A lot of people want it gone, some don't. I myself thought, after quite reworks, about disabling it for a few weeks (One month is better) and thus making this mod unranked.
Of course, disabling it will not affect existing scores. It will just reject scores sent within that time.
I would need some opinions. (inb4 shouted at)
Of course, disabling it will not affect existing scores. It will just reject scores sent within that time.
I would need some opinions. (inb4 shouted at)
a bit NSFW
rubytic i don't want you to destroy my ~cough~
FL is a stupid mod anyway. It doesn't require any real skill either. The only people that can use it are people that DS or memorize songs
Yeah these are the contradictory points everybody always mention. I personally don't find FL plays to be particularly impressive, but those who do, they bring forward that what requires skill is entirely subjective, which I completely agree with. Albeit grinding a map until you've memorized it wont necessarily improve your playing overall, it is not in any way not a deserved multiplier. To even be able to memorize map is a skill and requires no less practice than getting better in general, and as it's not an issue of significance I say leave it be and let those who want to do it go ahead and waste their time doing it.Kuro wrote:
It doesn't require any real skill either. The only people that can use it are people that DS or memorize songs.
All they gain from it is one single map specific score for all of that effort put into it. It's not even remotely an issue as somebody who's supposedly better can rack up plenty of HD/HR/DT scores whilst said FL player is still working on memorizing that one map.
Topic Starter
Kuro wrote:
The only people that can use it are people that DS or memorize songs
(on skype)Pheon wrote:
implying memorizing songs doesn't require skill
I really agree with boat (and Pheon) on that one, since FL scores, when legit, can take a huge load of time : It took _LRJ_ and me 2~3 days of intense farming to memorize the integrality of Darri's GANGNAM STYLE for a little bonus and play it HD+FL. I am 99% certain that HD+DT scores, if really accurate, can blow that up in less than 20 minutes. I'm against my own idea, if I had it it is because it is heartbreaking to see how things are going with that mod now. Let's say that at least 90% of the scores submitted with that mod are not legit anymore...
Totally worth it.boat wrote:
All they gain from it is one single map specific score for all of that effort put into it. It's not even remotely an issue as somebody who's supposedly better can rack up plenty of HD/HR/DT scores whilst said FL player is still working on memorizing that one map.
I've been thinking about how FL in taiko can't be compared to FL in standard, and what would happen if it got weighted down to 1.06x just like HR/HD, to act as somebody pointed out in kyou-kun's thread as a bonus to the mods that actually increase difficulty. It would still benefit those who memorize maps, just not give a ridiculous bonus.
Want to beat a DT+HR SS? do it with DT+HR+FL. Equal difficulty - the vision, but +1.06
Want to beat a DT+HR SS? do it with DT+HR+FL. Equal difficulty - the vision, but +1.06
"They spend all their time on one map when you can grind with DT+HR/HD. It requires about 5-10x more plays. The bonus should be less than a sightreadable mod."boat wrote:
It would still benefit those who memorize maps, just not give a ridiculous bonus.
I could spend a bunch of lines on why this is a shitty idea but to keep it short, FL is really neglected in taiko, not a reason in making it less rewarding than it is, like seriously HDFL doesn't deserve to be just slightly above the lines of DT.boat wrote:
I've been thinking about how FL in taiko can't be compared to FL in standard, and what would happen if it got weighted down to 1.06x just like HR/HD, to act as somebody pointed out in kyou-kun's thread as a bonus to the mods that actually increase difficulty. It would still benefit those who memorize maps, just not give a ridiculous bonus.
Want to beat a DT+HR SS? do it with DT+HR+FL. Equal difficulty - the vision, but +1.06
Doesn't really bother me personally, I don't even use more than one mod at a time .<.
But better that then having it completely disabled, no? Although I don't even see how it's particularly bad as a supplementary mod, just like HD. Maybe weighted to something in between rather than half.
But better that then having it completely disabled, no? Although I don't even see how it's particularly bad as a supplementary mod, just like HD. Maybe weighted to something in between rather than half.
Topic Starter
Most of you know the root of this, and don't forget it would be a temporary disable. I don't ask for a change either.
I'd like to see some FL scores from people who say it requires no skill. FL is underused on taiko diffs because well, the reaction time would be ridiculous at high BPMs but it doesn't mean it's not worth playing it. We all know one player who plays FL and is confirmed for legit who can relate more than anyone here that FL does require skill as well as patience. If you're not patient, then don't play FL.
Stay calm and civilized, by the way. Else, I'll have to call some higher powers. (They're watching youuuu)
I'd like to see some FL scores from people who say it requires no skill. FL is underused on taiko diffs because well, the reaction time would be ridiculous at high BPMs but it doesn't mean it's not worth playing it. We all know one player who plays FL and is confirmed for legit who can relate more than anyone here that FL does require skill as well as patience. If you're not patient, then don't play FL.
Stay calm and civilized, by the way. Else, I'll have to call some higher powers. (They're watching youuuu)
For me, FL is difficult. I don't try to memorize (well I do get a general feel before I play) and rely on reaction time, which is impossible for me at high BPMs. Not everyone can memorize maps well so it's hard for others, that's why it's not used as much as HR+DT, HR+HD, or DT+HD.
Memorizing maps (for me) takes a real long time.
It would be fun to see people that underestimate the difficulty of FL play an insane map or one with a high AR and try to do good on it with FL on, saying that it doesn't require skill. Memorizing is a skill which not everyone is good at.
Memorizing maps (for me) takes a real long time.
It would be fun to see people that underestimate the difficulty of FL play an insane map or one with a high AR and try to do good on it with FL on, saying that it doesn't require skill. Memorizing is a skill which not everyone is good at.
I wouldn't mind if hidden and flashlight would completely lose their score multiplier. Hardrock and Doubletime are the only mods that actually increase the map“s difficulty, and only using them should be rewarded. I do have respect for legit HD/FL players, but after all these mods can easily be mastered with enough memorization. Therefore they will never show perfectly how experienced a player is since it's mostly a matter of time.
But well, that's just my opinion. HR and DT are the only 'real' mods for me.
But well, that's just my opinion. HR and DT are the only 'real' mods for me.
Topic Starter
Don't forget that on some cases, HD is far more difficult than HR. Coupled with DT, for example, it's a beast. Alone at slow songs, good luck.
I dont think people underestimate the difficulty. It's just on a different scale of difficulty compared to other mods, at the same time it is personal opinion too. There has to be someone out there who can just sightread FL and finds it easy, people are different. "Skill" is just a silly subject because people are good at certain things and find them respectable. Its all matter of opinion, what YOU find impressive and skillful. Personally, memorization doesnt reflect on your taiko skills, it just means you have good memory. I take Pheon's score on that silly song I can't remember the name of, that map is pretty damn hard and he FC'd with hdfl. I find the fact he got an FC more respectable than the mod, because he actually has the playing level to FC. All the memorization is phycological. Same goes for any mod really. Dt, you can play a map fast, cool. Can you perform well? Hr, ok the scroll is a little faster and the acc is a bit strict, cool. Can you perform well? Etc etc.
Just how I see it though. :p
Just how I see it though. :p
Same deal on many maps/mods. DT can just aswell be easier if you're accurate enough (even on OD7, a 24ms hitwindow is pretty reasonable and about the same as if you would have played it with hr), HD can be a free multiplier on OD8+ in comparison to HR._Gezo_ wrote:
Don't forget that on some cases, HD is far more difficult than HR. Coupled with DT, for example, it's a beast. Alone at slow songs, good luck.
Ironically enough, the only mod that doesn't really depend on any other variables seems to be FL.
MMzz wrote:
I take Pheon's score on that silly song I can't remember the name of, that map is pretty damn hard and he FC'd with hdfl. I find the fact he got an FC more respectable than the mod, because he actually has the playing level to FC
On a sidenote, just a regular fc would've taken like 4x less plays.
I didn't feel like reading everything because there's too much
but imo memorizing maps (while still a skill) isn't particularly a taiko skill. actually reading the notes as they come in that tiny window and not panicking is definitely better but the amount of maps where this is actually possible is so ridiculous makes it maybe not even worth it. all of this is assuming there's no cheating going on of course, who would even think of doing such a thing
i feel the same way about super fast things. if you can do a straight don pattern at 350 bpm then that's great but that doesn't mean you're good at taiko, you'd be just as fast playing any other game. doing some crazy pattern at 200 is more impressive to me, but i can't do eithersowtfyouguys
but imo memorizing maps (while still a skill) isn't particularly a taiko skill. actually reading the notes as they come in that tiny window and not panicking is definitely better but the amount of maps where this is actually possible is so ridiculous makes it maybe not even worth it. all of this is assuming there's no cheating going on of course, who would even think of doing such a thing
i feel the same way about super fast things. if you can do a straight don pattern at 350 bpm then that's great but that doesn't mean you're good at taiko, you'd be just as fast playing any other game. doing some crazy pattern at 200 is more impressive to me, but i can't do eithersowtfyouguys
Or, you know, all of you could stop discussing this and understand that osu!Taiko will never be real Taiko
cue in the incoming qq wahwah
cue in the incoming qq wahwah
IIRC peppy never intended osu!taiko to be a perfect copy of the original taiko's mechanics,so there's that.
Though you can still phrase that a bit more nicely Zek,it won't hurt anyone
It's not in any way a matter of replicating the original. I do believe that although I went into the topic of weighting the mods in general, the actual topic is the issue of cheating.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you mitten.MMzz wrote:
I dont think people underestimate the difficulty. It's just on a different scale of difficulty compared to other mods, at the same time it is personal opinion too. There has to be someone out there who can just sightread FL and finds it easy, people are different. "Skill" is just a silly subject because people are good at certain things and find them respectable. Its all matter of opinion, what YOU find impressive and skillful. Personally, memorization doesnt reflect on your taiko skills, it just means you have good memory. I take Pheon's score on that silly song I can't remember the name of, that map is pretty damn hard and he FC'd with hdfl. I find the fact he got an FC more respectable than the mod, because he actually has the playing level to FC. All the memorization is phycological. Same goes for any mod really. Dt, you can play a map fast, cool. Can you perform well? Hr, ok the scroll is a little faster and the acc is a bit strict, cool. Can you perform well? Etc etc.
Just how I see it though. :p
I'm all for temporarily disabling FL but honestly, I don't think that is the issue. Why can't peppy just alter FL so that it is respectably easier like how he fixed HR+HD (maybe fix the score-multiplier rating too to better reflect mod difficulties)? I just don't find FL possible on anything over maybe 140bpm for me, so it's a pointless mod.
I think most players don't FL more because of that same reason. Why grind 1 map for 2-3 days for 1 score when you can play many maps for many scores/variety of songs/etc. The difficulty of conventional use of the mod makes it impractical to normal players.
nvm go on
Most rhythmgames have a 100% transparent mod. There will always be oddballs which enjoy memorizing maps, those kind of people which enjoy showing off and love the thrill of working hard for a score. Why take that away?Dirty Sanchez wrote:
I think most players don't FL more because of that same reason. Why grind 1 map for 2-3 days for 1 score when you can play many maps for many scores/variety of songs/etc. The difficulty of conventional use of the mod makes it impractical to normal players.
To me also FL is little bit weird to say it
I know I'm not deserve to say that "FL so bad!" Cuz half of my #1 are made by FL
My acc skill bad to play HR or DT and I still have to practice HD
And taiko is memorizimg only D and K not like standard and ctb
So I agree that too many FL record probably doubtable to everybody
(Unless you play like Ritsuen or something easy pattern song it's probably doubtable 'DS')
I know I'm not deserve to say that "FL so bad!" Cuz half of my #1 are made by FL
My acc skill bad to play HR or DT and I still have to practice HD
And taiko is memorizimg only D and K not like standard and ctb
So I agree that too many FL record probably doubtable to everybody
(Unless you play like Ritsuen or something easy pattern song it's probably doubtable 'DS')
This isn't about deleting FL altogether. It's not like we'd be taking that away. The topic is whether or not to make it a (temporarily or otherwise) unranked mod.Pheon wrote:
Most rhythmgames have a 100% transparent mod. There will always be oddballs which enjoy memorizing maps, those kind of people which enjoy showing off and love the thrill of working hard for a score. Why take that away?Dirty Sanchez wrote:
I think most players don't FL more because of that same reason. Why grind 1 map for 2-3 days for 1 score when you can play many maps for many scores/variety of songs/etc. The difficulty of conventional use of the mod makes it impractical to normal players.
That doesn't mean removing the FL mod for players who enjoy it. It means removing the score multiplier (or at least lowering it) as a way to compensate for the high amount of cheated/hacked FL-variant scores.
And I'm not even going that far. I don't feel FL needs deleted at all, just improved upon to be more usable conventionally for taiko, and not just standard.
FL is evil indeed.
but, killing the FL score using DT+HD is so fun
but, killing the FL score using DT+HD is so fun
lol agreedTKSalt wrote:
but, killing the FL score using DT+HD is so fun
on a side note
WOOOOOOO!!!
WOOOOOOO!!!
inb4Kuro wrote:
lol agreedTKSalt wrote:
but, killing the FL score using DT+HD is so fun
/me escapes