*Wojjan points at adam
is this fun yet?
is this fun yet?
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Only finger pointing is allowed here, Wojjan.Wojjan wrote:
*Wojjan points at adam
is this fun yet?
O_o wrote:
a pretty dumb and obvious mafia, but a mafia nontheless
QFT
This game is SO going wrong, the discussion never starts like this.
Also, find the easter egg in this post.
O_o wrote:
O_o
unvote vote kuwarudo
So what's everyone's guess on the roles?
I'm thinking like M2: Two Mafia, one Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.
I'm thinking like M2: Two Mafia, one Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.
i know, why dont we all make codenames out of emoticons for the heck of it!
my new codename is "o.o?"
my new codename is "o.o?"
Too early.
I think there's a fairly good chance there are 2 mafia goons. (I may be wrong though)
I think there's a fairly good chance there are 2 mafia goons. (I may be wrong though)
YAY! I'll be....Saturos-fangirl wrote:
i know, why dont we all make codenames out of emoticons for the heck of it!
my new codename is "o.o?"
...aww
Unvoteadam2046 wrote:
Too early.
I think there's a fairly good chance there are 2 mafia goons. (I may be wrong though)
Vote: adam
Oh come on.
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Unvote
Vote: strager
Vote: strager
Uh, wanna give a reason?
strager's vote for you is completely unjustified.
He's still joke voting.
So are most of us. Let's try to get away from that now, shall we?
unvote
*reads thread*
unvote
*reads thread*
since we have nfi whats going on i vote we kill the person who never talks
and by that i mean vote kuwarudo
and by that i mean vote kuwarudo
Unvote
Vote: kuwarudo
Vote: kuwarudo
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Vote: strager
=D?
Vote: strager
=D?
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It feels to me like strager's acting too much not like himself. Discuss?
Wha? D=LadySuburu wrote:
It feels to me like strager's acting too much not like himself. Discuss?
I claim Doctor? Is that what you mean? ;P
unvote
vote kuwarudo
why not
EDIT:
vote kuwarudo
why not
EDIT:
idk, he seems pretty stragerlike to me. He probably just seems different because he isn't cowered in a corner against Echo's rage this time around ^_^LadySuburu wrote:
It feels to me like strager's acting too much not like himself. Discuss?
I mean you're not acting like you do in the other mafia games, and you're acting a lot like I'd imagine kuu to act when he's being random.
You've also tagged along behind a lot of votes.
unvote
Vote: strager
You've also tagged along behind a lot of votes.
unvote
Vote: strager
umm, because he can't defend himself?
Also, I would love to lunch kuu sometime.
Also, I would love to lunch kuu sometime.
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then its like M2, we get to LyLo and go ocrap i have no idea whats going on with that person i hope they arent in the mafiaLadySuburu wrote:
Also: Yeah, don't lynch the people who don't/can't post. Replace or prod them.
how was it Echo put it? "In MS lurkers get picked off quickly and effectively"? they prolly know what theyre doing a lot more than we do
Topic Starter
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LS has been accusing me for no reason. If you saw M2, I random vote all the time. My last vote was, too. ;P
Unvote
Vote: LadySuburu
Unvote
Vote: LadySuburu
Seeing a trend of following behind other's votes, even if in the RVS (Random Voting Stage), is indeed a reason to vote you.strager wrote:
LS has been accusing me for no reason. If you saw M2, I random vote all the time. My last vote was, too. ;P
Unvote
Vote: LadySuburu
Confirm Vote: strager
All I did was start a trend of racking up votes for suspenseyness. =]LadySuburu wrote:
Seeing a trend of following behind other's votes, even if in the RVS (Random Voting Stage), is indeed a reason to vote you.strager wrote:
LS has been accusing me for no reason. If you saw M2, I random vote all the time. My last vote was, too. ;P
Unvote
Vote: LadySuburu
Confirm Vote: strager
Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched. Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.strager wrote:
All I did was start a trend of racking up votes for suspenseyness. =]
Quick strager, claim doctor!
unvote
I'm having trouble keeping track of the votes, can someone provide an update so I can decide who to vote for?
I'm having trouble keeping track of the votes, can someone provide an update so I can decide who to vote for?
Page 9, bottom of page.
Vote strager I may be trying to tie people. But maybe I'm not and I'm just confusing you. Discuss among your weak minds.
Topic Starter
Vote Count
kuwarudo (3) - SFG, Wojjan, 0_o
strager (3) - adam, LadySuburu, rust45
0_o (1) - Pasonia
SFG (1) - kuwarudo
LadySuburu(1) - strager
-- kuwarudo is on L-2!
-- strager is on L-2!
I will strive to put a vote count on every page when I'm awake.
kuwarudo (3) - SFG, Wojjan, 0_o
strager (3) - adam, LadySuburu, rust45
0_o (1) - Pasonia
SFG (1) - kuwarudo
LadySuburu(1) - strager
-- kuwarudo is on L-2!
-- strager is on L-2!
I will strive to put a vote count on every page when I'm awake.
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haha I just realized, we are actually voting kuwarudo for not talkingkuwarudo wrote:
Aw damnit. Sure, vote me when I'm not being totally annoying
anyway, unvote for LS's reasons (and he's here now)
unvote Still trying to tie people up here.
0_o wrote:
LS's reasons (and he's here now)
What's LS
LS = LadySuburu
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^Wojjan wrote:
That or he's just playing silly burgers.
Unvote
Vote: SFG
I bet he didn't read the rules.
Or SFG's overanalyzing things so she looks convincing, deviating attention from herself.adam2046 wrote:
I bet he didn't read the rules.
Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
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I doubt it, that normally isn't in the Cop's job descriptionstrager wrote:
Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
Normally you don't investigate a dead person because you already know their role.0_o wrote:
I doubt it, that normally isn't in the Cop's job descriptionstrager wrote:
Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
strager what did Echo tell you about asking things in the thread about roles?
Oh, I thought that was LS. =Sadam2046 wrote:
strager what did Echo tell you about asking things in the thread about roles?
strager wrote:
Or SFG's overanalyzing things so she looks convincing, deviating attention from herself.adam2046 wrote:
I bet he didn't read the rules.
im using absolutely everything i have to go on to find a mafia. for that matter rust45 has not said anything to defend himself either, and i will not change my vote until he has done so in a way that convinces me that someone else is more likely to be mafia than he is.
He views your attack as meaningless. Thus, he doesn't need to defend himself. No one is as paranoid about it as you, and he doesn't seem too threatened.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
im using absolutely everything i have to go on to find a mafia. for that matter rust45 has not said anything to defend himself either, and i will not change my vote until he has done so in a way that convinces me that someone else is more likely to be mafia than he is.
Topic Starter
Vote Count
strager (3) - adam, LadySuburu, rust45
kuwarudo (2) - Wojjan, 0_o
SFG (2) - kuwarudo, strager
0_o (1) - Pasonia
rust45 (1) - SFG
-- strager is on L-2!
strager (3) - adam, LadySuburu, rust45
kuwarudo (2) - Wojjan, 0_o
SFG (2) - kuwarudo, strager
0_o (1) - Pasonia
rust45 (1) - SFG
-- strager is on L-2!
No.strager wrote:
Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
rust45 wrote:
unvote Still trying to tie people up here.
waaaiit a second here. if two people are tied at the end of the day, there is no lynch.
i.e. no chance of lynching a mafia
i.e. free nightkill
just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.
unvote
vote rust45 (NOT RANDOM)
Greater FOS of awesome +1: SFG
Either way is advantageous for the Mafia. However, no-lynch gives less of an advantage than does lynching a Townie.adam2046 wrote:
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.
Greater FOS of awesome +1: SFG
adam2046 wrote:
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
rust45 wrote:
unvote Still trying to tie people up here.
waaaiit a second here. if two people are tied at the end of the day, there is no lynch.
i.e. no chance of lynching a mafia
i.e. free nightkill
just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.
unvote
vote rust45 (NOT RANDOM)
Greater FOS of awesome +1: SFG
are you guys going to hound me every time i try to get discussion going so we can actually find the mafia instead of randomvote randomvote hurrr i accidentally the cop oh well?
seriously, get to playing or im just going to leave this stupid game behind because everyone is too cautious to do anything thats actually helpful!
Whatever.
Unvote
Vote: rust45
Unvote
Vote: rust45
Found something.
Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434
Unvote
Vote: SFG
Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434
Unvote
Vote: SFG
I see.
FoS: SFG
FoS: SFG
strager: any response to what I said on page 10?
^ I was trying to make things interesting, but now will vote more seriously.strager wrote:
He views your attack as meaningless. Thus, he doesn't need to defend himself. No one is as paranoid about it as you, and he doesn't seem too threatened.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
im using absolutely everything i have to go on to find a mafia. for that matter rust45 has not said anything to defend himself either, and i will not change my vote until he has done so in a way that convinces me that someone else is more likely to be mafia than he is.
But if I was Mafia, it would only help to tie it up if I was on L-1.strager wrote:
Either way is advantageous for the Mafia. However, no-lynch gives less of an advantage than does lynching a Townie.adam2046 wrote:
I just realised that this is wrong, the mafia would want to kill a human during the day, not tie up the votes for a no lynch.
Unvotestrager wrote:
Found something.
Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434
Unvote
Vote: SFG
Vote: SFG For strager's reasons.
You're referring to this? viewtopic.php?p=153025#p153025LadySuburu wrote:
strager: any response to what I said on page 10?
The Town has similar goals.LadySuburu wrote:
Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched.
That may be so. Realize though I've been on most of the L-2's (even the one against myself) and I don't think there has been an L-1.LadySuburu wrote:
Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.
(Note to self: write a proggie to parse private vote log to look at bandwaggoning.)
I can't really defend myself against your claims, though, as they are pretty convincing. However, I was just tossing in confusion to shake up the game a little so people would slip so we could have something substantial to go on for a lynch (see my last vote).
strager wrote:
Found something.
Read this: viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Then this: viewtopic.php?p=153434#p153434
Unvote
Vote: SFG
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
just what are you up to, rust45? its not like this is a one time joke thing - youve done it a COUPLE times, trying to balance votes.
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
its not like this is a one time joke thing
as in i was fully aware that id done so myself but only as a one-time joke, whereas rust45 seems to have made it his strategy
1: The town's goal is to find the mafia. The mafia's goal is to get any townie lynched. Of course, the mafia also want to avoid detection, but they'll try to find any reason to get another lynched. The town, however, have the motivation of getting the mafia to NK them if they aren't an aux, or avoiding an NK if they are. Also, a true cop going against a contested claim (in a normal mafia game, where roles are revealed), will generally have the town lynch him first, to confirm his telling the truth (if not in LyLo). There is a difference between the roles, and it makes a difference in how others play.strager wrote:
The Town has similar goals.LadySuburu wrote:
Yet the prime motivation for a mafia member, is to get someone other than themselves lynched.That may be so. Realize though I've been on most of the L-2's (even the one against myself) and I don't think there has been an L-1.LadySuburu wrote:
Following along with other's votes, setting a trend to get many people near lynch, and attempting to lynch off someone who can't respond or defend themselves, are all scummy and in my mind mafia tactics.
(Note to self: write a proggie to parse private vote log to look at bandwaggoning.)
I can't really defend myself against your claims, though, as they are pretty convincing. However, I was just tossing in confusion to shake up the game a little so people would slip so we could have something substantial to go on for a lynch (see my last vote).
2: Confusion will hurt the town and benefit the mafia more. Doing things to try and stir up discussion is good, but attempting to confuse the town is not.
3: I'm going to keep my vote on you until either you've convinced me you're not scum, or until someone else does something that places them higher on my list than you. SFG's post hasn't brought her higher than you on my list.
Edit while previewing: SFG's explanation makes sense to me. Remove FoS
Seen SFG's defense of herself unvote I won't even try to defend myself since it doesn't look like a big deal to me. I'll wait for further discussion to vote for someone I suspect.
Let's see.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
myself but only as a one-time joke, whereas rust45 seems to have made it his strategy
His posts:
viewtopic.php?p=151857#p151857
viewtopic.php?p=152287#p152287
viewtopic.php?p=152480#p152480
viewtopic.php?p=152646#p152646 4/
viewtopic.php?p=152651#p152651 3
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viewtopic.php?p=153074#p153074
viewtopic.php?p=153080#p153080 3
viewtopic.php?p=153265#p153265 3/
Divide is where you post viewtopic.php?p=152799#p152799
Bolded links represent votes intended to balance vote counts or are dangerous. Only two were meant to balance...
rust45 seems a bit careless in his votes, putting other players on L-2 and L-1, twice each. I've got my eye on you...
Now for my votes which caused any tie at all (except one-vote ties) whether they were intentional or not:
viewtopic.php?p=152258#p152258 2
viewtopic.php?p=152360#p152360 2
viewtopic.php?p=152567#p152567 2
viewtopic.php?p=152909#p152909 3 (arranging so SFG isn't voting for herself)
viewtopic.php?p=152947#p152947 2
viewtopic.php?p=152981#p152981 2
viewtopic.php?p=152985#p152985 2
viewtopic.php?p=153455#p153455 2
viewtopic.php?p=153660#p153660 2
viewtopic.php?p=153733#p153733 2
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Some bandwagonning analysis:
0_o: 3, 2, 3
adam: 2, 2, 2
LS: 3
Pasonia: -
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
SFG: 4, 3, 4
strager: 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2
Wojjan: 3, 2, 2
Bandwagonner on the left, number of votes after bandwagon on the right. Vote counts are ordered chronologically.
SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
0_o: 3, 2, 3
adam: 2, 2, 2
LS: 3
Pasonia: -
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
SFG: 4, 3, 4
strager: 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2
Wojjan: 3, 2, 2
Bandwagonner on the left, number of votes after bandwagon on the right. Vote counts are ordered chronologically.
SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
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LadySuburu wrote:
SFG: Do you think any instance of tying votes is scummy, or only a repeated action?
rust45's consistant use of tying the votes is what made me suspicious, especially after the vote-tying game had ended and he seemed to have adopted it for rational use.
so i guess my problem with rust's vote-tying is that he seemed to be doing it seriously rather than for fun, as judged by the tone of his posts.
ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.strager wrote:
SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
anyone who lays a fifth vote on that person is scum.
there are two scum and five nonscum.
therefore if we lose one nonscum and kill a scum in the process, things are good. if not, we dont lose the nonscum cus no one jumped on the bandwagon.
i am, of course, assuming we dont have any ASH's in here, based on the player lineup.
If someone else had been the last to post a tie-ing vote, would you be somewhat suspicious of them?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
rust45's consistant use of tying the votes is what made me suspicious, especially after the vote-tying game had ended and he seemed to have adopted it for rational use.
This post makes it sound like fun: viewtopic.php?p=152646#p152646Saturos-fangirl wrote:
so i guess my problem with rust's vote-tying is that he seemed to be doing it seriously rather than for fun, as judged by the tone of his posts.
This one as well: viewtopic.php?p=153080#p153080
Others not as much, but still.
I do have to agree that behind these posts are possibly dangerous consequences.
WIFOM?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
ok let me give you the reasoning behind the L-1 bandwagoning.strager wrote:
SFG and rust45 seem pretty high-risk.
anyone who lays a fifth vote on that person is scum.
there are two scum and five nonscum.
therefore if we lose one nonscum and kill a scum in the process, things are good. if not, we dont lose the nonscum cus no one jumped on the bandwagon.
i am, of course, assuming we dont have any ASH's in here, based on the player lineup.
The last person to vote should have to be well convinced, otherwise it's blatant accidental posting or blatant Mafia claiming. Based on how convinced he is you could vote to lynch him. Of course, if you were one of the people to vote for the one who was lynched, you would be suspicious too (albeit not as suspicious as the last voter).
So... Basically, voting patterns aren't the determining factor for Mafia, which is what you're implying. Pointing that out makes it seem you want someone other than you lynched. Hmm...
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LadySuburu wrote:
Everyone: Who do you think is mafia right now? Are you satisfied with your current vote?
i suspect rust45 and strager of being mafia, but i really want to know more about kuwarudo and everyone else before anything major happens. i cant remember seeing much of adam, you and 0_o seem kinda meh....im missing two players oh PASONIA. Pas needs to post more...who was the other player?
alright point taken im not as involved in this game as i should be. *sigh* i promise ill make a suspicion list with reasons a la WW3-R once i get unswamped with modding ok?
Yup.LadySuburu wrote:
1: Changing votes a lot (wishy-washy voting) is a known scum-tell. You've got a pretty high rating for this
This one? viewtopic.php?p=151854#p151854LadySuburu wrote:
expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.
Yup.LadySuburu wrote:
Another known scum indicator is being third or fourth on a bandwagon. You, rust and SFG seem high up there.
You just said so yourself.LadySuburu wrote:
2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
If it's all random votes, I have my eye on it closely in case something happens. Otherwise L-2 isn't too much of an issue.LadySuburu wrote:
How dangerous do you see L-2?
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I should've phrased this better. Based on your bandwagoning chart. I was counting my edit of your chart as still yours.LadySuburu wrote:
expecially looking at your first bandwagoning post.
I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personallyLadySuburu wrote:
2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
As for the rest: Mmk.
Edit while previewing:
rust45: You wouldn't screw the game up by getting a "No Lynch", but you would make it harder on the town.
True, that's why I changed my mind.LadySuburu wrote:
rust45: You wouldn't screw the game up by getting a "No Lynch", but you would make it harder on the town.
By saying "You just said so yourself." I was agreeing with you.LadySuburu wrote:
I said it is. That doesn't mean you see it as such. Key word: personallyLadySuburu wrote:
2: Do you personally think placing a player on L-1 is a scummy thing to do if you don't have a reason?
Topic Starter
Vote Count
strager (2) - adam, LadySuburu
kuwarudo (2) - Wojjan, 0_o
SFG (2) - kuwarudo, strager
0_o (1) - Pasonia
rust45 (1) - SFG
Not voting: rust45
strager (2) - adam, LadySuburu
kuwarudo (2) - Wojjan, 0_o
SFG (2) - kuwarudo, strager
0_o (1) - Pasonia
rust45 (1) - SFG
Not voting: rust45
You messed up the votes for SFGEcho wrote:
votes fixed Not yet, 0_o unvoted a while ago.
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You know, I think I'm starting to suspect, Wojjan, kuu, and adam, they haven't discussed recently, maybe they're trying to make sure they don't slip something up, but even if it's possible, one of them can't be Mafia.
Or they have different timezones.rust45 wrote:
You know, I think I'm starting to suspect, Wojjan, kuu, and adam, they haven't discussed recently, maybe they're trying to make sure they don't slip something up, but even if it's possible, one of them can't be Mafia.
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I think Echo's latest vote count is wrong. 0_o unvoted here: viewtopic.php?p=153244#p153244
It'd be cool if your vote was bold and the first thing on the line so it's more noticable.
It'd be cool if your vote was bold and the first thing on the line so it's more noticable.
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I'm not you, remember?
Yeah, I think adam is stable.