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Sync

Luna wrote:

What, why are you voting dafydd now, Rantai?
Just because he self-voted?
any insight at all? :(
Wojjan
didn't you read anything luna
Two can I please still kill this stupid bitch
Two_old
I wouldn't doubt a day chat
Backfire

Sync wrote:

Chris wrote:

NoHItter
animask
pieguy
Sync
Backfire
dkun
LadySuburu
Dafydd
Ivalset

do these people ever post
I was sleeping and a lot has gone on in 2 hours
^^^^^

Plus i'm sick today with strep throat.

How can you say I don't post when this is like at 2 AM.
Do you expect everyone to be on 24/7?

Anyways, lynching inactive people isn't really the WORST idea, but it's not the best either. We could be lynching someone with a good role that just isn't on that much.
Two_old
no rantai sry
Rantai
I take it as a sign of giving up. Generally it turns out mafia when someone does that.
Backfire
Well nevermind, that guy is screwed.
Chris_old
time zones

your point is invalid
Luna
The initial votes on dafydd were to pressure him into posting, not because everyone was sure he's scum.
Now you guys are blindly running into a lynch with no basis, wtf
Chris_old
you're right

KILL LUNA
Wojjan
because he selfvoted
thiat is what a pressure vote is about
you vote for pressure
and then people cave under the pressure
NoHitter
Wrong Luna.
A self-vote shows that you have a defeatist attitude.
In addition with the AtE that he did before voting himself, it comes of as scummy.
Dafydd
@Wojjan:

I PM'd Two for a replacement. (I had good reason to do so)
In fact, I joined this game because I had a bit of time on my hands already lol.
You guys are just too fast.
Fine, I'll contribute like shit. Again.

Probably now, many of you have already posted after Rantai's post.
Two_old
as if mafia would accrue votes that easily without solid reasons

please just kill me nohitter so I can stop reading the bad logic/flimsy lies
Luna
It's not scummy enough to rush straight into a lynch without waiting for other people to post or any kind of discussion to start.
Also, most people here will agree that dafydd is probably not the best player around, so it's quite possible that he's just playing badly. I'm not defending him, I just don't get how you all can just rush into a lynch like that.
I also don't get why everyone here follows a SK like he's the messiah
Sync
who cares dafydd now tell us who you think is mafia
Chris_old
how many different words do you know for god like figures that have to do with some sort of religion
Luna
Not enough to appropriately describe how people treat Two around here
Rantai
Want to break the trend? As I said I'm always up for a Two lynch being basically a self confirmed SK.

Actually you know what you're right Unvote; Vote: Two
Chris_old
luna changed a lot when two voted for them
Wojjan
nah we are leaving LS around to fuck with Two
Luna
Out of all the proposed lynches so far, Two is definitely the one I'd go with.
But I'd still like to wait until other people actually start posting content. Most of the lurker posts so far have been "I've been away, vote dafydd" which ist not helping town
Rantai
Problem being LS is completely unpredictable.
Wojjan
well
yes
so?
Wojjan
don't get me wrong I am totally for a Two lynch but his biggest priorities are still his wincon and getting rid of LS
Rantai

Wojjan wrote:

nah we are leaving LS around to fuck with Two
- Unpredictable

- No guarantee that he'll be screwing with Two any further

If that is your only reason of keeping him alive then I am seeing a major flaw here.
Luna
As I said, if we keep them alive:
Either LS does something unpredictable and Two kills him (good use of SK kill on a player playing anti-town)
Or LS blocks Two again, taking two anti-town (or not-pro-town) players out of the equation
Backfire
I dont trust either one of them.
But we're going to lynch someone we dont know anything about?
Dafydd
Correction:
LS blocked Chris
Wojjan blocked Two
Rantai
With the janitor around we have no idea when he may get his win con. A stab in the dark at best.
Chris_old
LS wants two to win

lynch LS is logic

l2p
Wojjan
well
do you want to lynch Two or not
because I'd be up for it
but leaving LS to fuck around with the night is turning out greatly in my advantage as in I am still alive
Rantai

Chris wrote:

LS wants two to win

lynch LS is logic
So kill the one who can satisfy both their intentions.

Logic.

Edit: fail bold
Rantai
@Wojjan - while LS will be a pain in the ass he may still block a mafia randomly or prevent a night kill. A serial killer on the loose is far more detrimental at this stage.
Dafydd

Wojjan wrote:

but leaving LS to fuck around with the night is turning out greatly in my advantage as in I am still alive
Wait, I thought LS only targets day attacks?
Or, is it something different yer talking?
Wojjan
alright
vote: Two
Dafydd read then post
Rantai
LS can roleblock 1 person at night but also make them immune to night kills.
Backfire
Well I guess Vote Two
Wojjan
OH
now you all vote two
Sync
unvote vote: two

soz its stupid to keep a sk around for any longer
dkun

Sync wrote:

Chris wrote:

NoHItter
animask
pieguy
Sync
Backfire
dkun
LadySuburu
Dafydd
Ivalset

do these people ever post
I was sleeping and a lot has gone on in 2 hours

can someone explain why we are lynching lurkers now? seems unproductive as fuck (ironically)

Luna: can you give us any insight on your role
@chris, we all have lives too, normal people in the states aren't awake at 4AM
will be catching up on the thread over the next hour or so

@mod: confirm?
Wojjan
here's the gist for all the lurkers: Two claimed serial killer and wanted to act town so we let him
but now for some reason I was right all along in lynching him
Backfire
I blame whoever put a bandwagon on dafy.
Chris_old
afk

only mafia would try and lynch the one person who is actually beneficial to town right now
Chris_old
actually just replace me I have no interest in playing anyways
Two_old
wojjan we go back to the beginning: if I'm kept in check by ladysuburu, it's pointless to lynch me

that's even disregarding the fact that I'm supposed to be killing who -you- wanted me to kill, and disregarding the fact that I need 3 kills to win on my own, and disregarding the fact that I can turn town

if you follow wojjan you should promptly destroy your mac
Backfire
How is Two beneficial to town? He can kill off town 1 by 1 on accident even if he's trying to help. Woth that, the mafia vould get 3 town kills in a day+night if they are all done to townies.

That's more beneficial to mafia if you guys get it wrong twice.
Dafydd
Actually, I'm up for a LS lynch.
In fact Two's kills are consented.
Two_old
actually you know what, you flip flop and contradict yourself more than luna and rantai have

unvote, vote Wojjan
Chris_old
unvote vote wojjan

fine with me
Wojjan
listen

you claim an independent
this means you don't give a shit about town so you don't need to abide by my kill target
we can't count on LS because he's independent too
and we have no guarantee you're not lying about your town turning
Backfire
If you killed LS first, then two could kill people. It should go two, then LS if anything.

Unless i'm not understanding something.
Wojjan
this is basically all I4m gonna waste on it
if you are reading Two's post and think "okay an independent serial killer who has to kill x amount of people this sounds like someone I want to keep alive"
then quit mafia forever
Chris_old
here's the tl;dr of the thread

wojjan is mafia
two is serial killer
two was supposed to kill wojjan but got jailed + roleblocked by wojjan who then claimed 4 1 shot joat
wojjan is pushing for two lynch after they realized all of the inactive people suddenly came online at once and tried to rush a lynch while two wasn't posting

k enjoy your game
Wojjan
and if you are gonna lynch me over it then good riddance what good is a joat anyway in a game that's half antitown
Two_old
it's really simple

you either side with wojjan who has demonstrated that they've lied constantly/been unable to grasp things logically/straight up contradicted themselves

or you side with me, someone who has been completely honest to the point of claiming serial killer/made logical conclusions/offered my kill be directed by the person who now wants me not to kill
dkun
i'll enjoy my game with taking chances wojj and is actually right
I believe it's more beneficial for two to be gone

vote: Two
Two_old

dkun wrote:

I believe it's more beneficial for two to be gone
are you going to support that statement or are you going to leave it as "roleclaim: mafia"?
dkun
and if your win condits are met? who's left laughing? pretty sure it's you at us
or are you fishing a claim out of me as well?
Wojjan
three more votes on two and it's a hammer
Two - (5) - Rantai, Sync, Wojjan, dkun, Backfire
Wojjan - (2) - Two, Chris
Some other losers who won't get lynched too probably
Dafydd
unvote vote LadySuburu
Still going for this.
imho, if Two gets in the way, we can still vote for him.
I don't know if Two's kills really make him town, but we for sure give consent to who he kills.
Wojjan
Luna you were on Two first today can you come in and vote
Two_old

dkun wrote:

and if your win condits are met? who's left laughing? pretty sure it's you at us
or are you fishing a claim out of me as well?
jesus christ you are retarded, I can't even express the level of pure sincerity in my use of that word

I am completely burned out, I just don't have it in me to force this town to win, so either see through the blatant lies or don't, I don't care
Wojjan
Dafydd Two claimed serial killer
we have no means to stop his kill to our knowledge
we can also lynch LS tomorrow just as easily as we can lynch Two.
Wojjan
Actually it's six on Two because Salvage
Chris_old
town already lost from the sheer amount of people who can't grasp basic logic anyways

no point in even trying, gj with your mentally deficient scapegoats wojjan
Backfire
Dafy, vote two you crazy guy. No one is going to go for LS first. It makes little sense. LS is blocking two. If we get rid of two first he wont kill anyone, then we kill LS tommorow.
Luna
I still think it makes more sense to leave Two AND LS alive for now

And I'd like to at least get some more out of this day instead of rushing for a lynch again. The lurkers still have hardly contributed.
If nothing else turns up, I'm okay with a Two lynch but please don't end the day prematurely again.
Wojjan
LS could be blocking Two
exactly because LS is not posting anything and his role is as vague as shit (probably Yukari) we can not depend on him for doing jack
for all we know it was a oneshot

which is why we lynch the guy who is trying to kill people for his wincon
Wojjan
Luna are you going to claim doc again
Two_old
luna if you want logic to rule, just vote for wojjan

I don't believe you are sincere unless you do
Chris_old
who claimed for no reason and also turns town if he kills the same alignment twice in a row

you love to leave out details

also you are the one with a kill people wincon sry
Luna

Wojjan wrote:

Luna are you going to claim doc again
Nope, I'm not. Also, I was town in that game jfyi
Rantai

Chris wrote:

town already lost from the sheer amount of people who can't grasp basic logic anyways

no point in even trying, gj with your mentally deficient scapegoats wojjan
Implying that you cannot win without Two in any situation?

Give yourself (and all of us) a little more credit than that.

But you won't but all I know is that had the SK been anyone else you would be all over their lynch.
Wojjan
You were terrible town
I see a pattern
Two has claimed serial killer we need no more discussion just for the sake of it
Rantai
That there going by the view of the roles and not the players.
Chris_old
not if they were pro town and logical like two always is

and yes that is exactly what I'm implying about the rest of you

it's obvious because you're being led by the person who has the most to gain from twos death
dkun
so two and chris end up insulting town for our "incompetence"
when you guys make 5+ pages of sheer rambling over a period of 2 hours and call us "lurkers" due to timezone differences, why don't you two be a bit more considerate of the situation of others

you both feel like a bickering couple, which one of you is usually scum
holy shit when will you guys break up

but I agree with luna to let this drag out to allow more contribution so the bickering couple will calm down with the insults
Two_old
and the person who has lied the most, which is hilarious to me because if you're true sheep shouldn't you be lynching all liars?
Wojjan
if a serial killer claims and says he is going to kill me of course I have the most to gain from his death
Luna
You know, by simply leaving both of them alive we have a good shot at keeping both of them occupied with each other. So rather than just lynching now, we could try to find an additional productive lynch or something.
Chris_old
dkun once again posts and contributes nothing
Wojjan

Luna wrote:

You know, by simply leaving both of them alive we have a good shot at keeping both of them occupied with each other. So rather than just lynching now, we could try to find an additional productive lynch or something.
No we don't! that's the point!
LS' agenda is bullshit with an aside of whatever and we have no idea what his alignment is, what his wincon is, or anything else.
Why are you saying "let's not lynch the serial killer" just because one time he got roleblocked by someone
dkun

dkun wrote:

so two and chris end up insulting town for our "incompetence"
when you guys make 5+ pages of sheer rambling over a period of 2 hours and call us "lurkers" due to timezone differences, why don't you two be a bit more considerate of the situation of others

you both feel like a bickering couple, which one of you is usually scum
holy shit when will you guys break up

but I agree with luna to let this drag out to allow more contribution so the bickering couple will calm down with the insults
just for you chris
Luna
If LS doesn't block him again, he can kill him. That's positive for us since we won't have to waste a lynch on him.
Wojjan
but why do you think Two will kill LS? He's got nothing to gain if LS isn't gonna bother anymore
You can't force a deadlock, Luna. Just lynch them both
or as I am gonna, lynch one and vig the other
Wojjan
just vote Two when other people chime in alright
Luna
Oh, wtf whatever
I'll vote for Two alright
But only after we at least take a little bit of time to get everyone to post
Happy?
Wojjan
yes very
Two_old
The point is, Wojjan, you are mafia who wants to get rid of the biggest threat to mafia: someone who can do what you can do (kill)

we already had an agreement to kill who each other wanted, then you had a sudden change of heart, a change of heart that you yourself admitted was contradictory to your beliefs, as seen here:

Wojjan wrote:

True. Unvote
if you lynch LS though I am modkilling myself so bad out of this joint

guess what triggered that change of heart? mafia daychat/dafydd being surged with votes
Wojjan
Then lynch me tomorrow if you feel so strongly about that
but right now both town and mafia and independents are better off with the serial killer dead
Two_old
like I said, if what town there are believe your lies, they deserve to lose
dkun
if you think we believe to lose
then the fuck with you

we're lynching wojjan if anything goes awry
Wojjan
okay
if you already said it then you don't need to repeat it
dkun
and if anything
both mafia and town are better with an SK gone
Chris_old
you don't lynch your leader dkun
Wojjan
it's called bussing it's a mafia strategy
can we sit here and wait until pieguy or LS or whoever chime in
Wojjan
I dunno who are we even waiting for
dkun

Wojjan wrote:

it's called bussing it's a mafia strategy
can we sit here and wait until pieguy or LS or whoever chime in
the bickering couple apparently are mad and won't let us!
dkun
but regardless, i'd wait for LS to actually say something
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