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Touhou PyP II - [Game end. Just incompetence by me.]

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pieguyn
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pieguyn
Oh my god the day ended before I had a chance to post

I have no idea what to say, except for I wouldn't be surprised at all if Two wasn't even a SK to begin with. Remember what he did in the first Touhou PyP? He claimed some outrageous role and it turns out he was just a bus driver. I wouldn't be surprised if he was outright lying this time as well, whether for better or worse.
Two_old
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Two_old
funnily enough, this is the first time I've been completely honest

the reason why is because my role makes no sense to lie about
pieguyn
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pieguyn
How are we supposed to know o.o//

I'd say that in the worst case, Two is a cult leader trying to buy some time, but that's a bit ridiculous. Still, even if Two says he can't win for a few days, I don't think it's entirely safe to keep him around so long. :?
Two_old
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Two_old

pieguy1372 wrote:

How are we supposed to know o.o//
I don't care I'll just kill anyone who doesn't understand the logic behind not lynching me

that's how this works
Chris_old
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Chris_old
that doesn't make sense considering two would of never been up for lynch had he not claimed
pieguyn
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pieguyn
oh wait you're right, oops :?

As I said I have no effing idea what to think this game.
Rantai
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Rantai
.. did I see a deleted post?
Two_old
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Two_old
from who
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

.. did I see a deleted post?
AW SNAP GET CAUGHT

who was it
pieguyn
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pieguyn
hahaha

who was it? :P
Rantai
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Rantai
I clicked the "latest post" thing from the off topic menu saying "posted 5 secs ago" and it brought me here with a 4 min old post.

Didn't catch the name, who wants to own up?
Two_old
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Two_old
well the only people here afaik are me you chris pieguy and lilac

I didn't post let alone delete
Two_old
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Two_old
can't a moderator or something see deleted posts
Chris_old
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Chris_old
it wasn't me either
pieguyn
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pieguyn
rofl

It wasn't me. It has to be someone who's checking this forum though, unless someone just randomly popped up out of nowhere :?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
inb4it was Lilac
Rantai
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Rantai
>_>

If it was Lilac then I don't really care. Oh well, going to have to let it slide I guess.
Lilac
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I didn't delete my own post. I will check this with a moderator.

Dusk ends prematurely.

-----------

7:00 PM - Outside World

During the dusk, you began to gather round. Each of you then decide who is going to go...In the end, Salvage was the one to bite the dust after getting 9 votes on him... I mean, it wasn't too bad if he was a restless spirit, right?

...Most of you agreed and the lynch was carried out like a normal one.. until you realised after you lynched him...his corpse went missing.

"What the fuck do you mean the corpse went missing?" yelled Chris. However, it was exactly that.

Salvage - ??? - Lynched Day 1.

It is now Night 1. Please send all actions within 48 hours.
Lilac
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Also, a check with Gonzvlo states that no-one has deleted their own posts. Nor did any moderators remove any.
Rantai
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Rantai
Rar, must've been that forum bug.
Lilac
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Lilac
Posting from phone...

It's D2 and guess what?

JInxyjem - ??? - Nightkilled N1.

You have 5 days. GL. Don't rush a lynch this time either... Your call though.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
cool we have ???'s for all the deaths

salvage post
Chris_old
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Chris_old
also wojjan isn't dead so that might mean two got roleblocked cause there's only 1 kill

I didn't roll back time because salvage was ??? but looks like they all are

and lilac basically just confirmed salvage as town I guess
Luna
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Luna
Okay, so let's see what we have here
Chris, did you try to revert time? That might decide if mafia has a roleblocker of some kind or not. If you did try, I suggest any investigative roles that were on Chris claim their results if they might lead to catching that mafia member.
If you didn't, well, we didn't really confirm anything. But I'll just say now that I believe Salvage's claim.
Luna
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Luna
ninja'd lol
Chris_old
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Chris_old
all we have to do is wait for salvage to post, if he doesn't he isn't
Luna
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Luna
Well, I'd still like him to wait until he actually has any content to post since he claimed he'd only be able to post I think it was 2 times a day?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Luna wrote:

Well, I'd still like him to wait until he actually has any content to post since he claimed he'd only be able to post I think it was 2 times a day?
yeah I forgot all about that part
Rantai
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Rantai
Wasn't it 1 post and unlimited votes?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Wasn't it 1 post and unlimited votes?
that sounds more right I'm too lazy to check

salvage vote
Luna
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Luna
Just checked, yes that's how he claimed it
Salvage
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Salvage
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Two_old
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Two_old

Chris wrote:

also wojjan isn't dead so that might mean two got roleblocked cause there's only 1 kill
yes I did get roleblocked, and I know who roleblocked me

but I have no intention of sharing their identity unless certain things happen, one of them being that they roleblock me again

for the mean time though, I will assume wojjan is mafia

vote Wojjan
Dafydd
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Dafydd
lol. Unlimited votes.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
why wouldn't you share their identity if you know who they are o_O
Salvage
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Salvage
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Chris_old
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Chris_old
stop spamming hooker
Jinxy
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Jinxy
fuck
this
Chris_old
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Chris_old
what does everyone think about going back in time to n1
Luna
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Luna
mod: votecount please?
Just to confirm that Salvage's votes actually count
Lilac
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Votecount:

Two (1) - Salvage.
Rantai
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Rantai
I don't see much point at the moment. I assume everything is just going to happen again without change. Unless there is some wild card action that someone didn't use last night.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
actually I think we might go back to d1 not n1

I hope that's the case since salvages vote counted

also the reason I say that is

jinxy will be confirmed, two will have a second chance at a kill and every information role will get a second chance to operate

and if two gets roleblocked again they should post the name like they said

with mafia still only having 1 kill
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Rantai
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Rantai
Back to day 1 from night 2?

Wow, are you sure it works that way?
Two_old
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Two_old
k turn back time
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

Back to day 1 from night 2?

Wow, are you sure it works that way?
I can use it during the day to revert time I'm pretty sure

lilac wasn't super specific
Rantai
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Rantai
Ahh ok, I see no problem with that.
Luna
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Luna
Ask Lilac again before using it, just to be sure
Chris_old
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Chris_old
ok my friend Lilac I want to go back in time, d1 pls
Rantai
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Rantai
So um.

Did Lilac just leave or something?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Rantai wrote:

So um.

Did Lilac just leave or something?
they were on a phone so I assume they just didn't want to type out a huge post on it
Luna
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Luna
So, while we are waiting for time to roll back...
Two, you claimed that you know who roleblocked you. How?
You are a SK with several win conditions, knowledge of the setup and some kind of self-watching ability according to your claim.
Lilac
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Chris tried to turn back time!

However, as soon as he did... Nothing happened. The surprising thing is it went through...
Luna
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Luna
wait, what
Rantai
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Rantai
What.

Another roleblocker?
Two_old
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Two_old
unvote, vote ladysuburu
Chris_old
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Chris_old
get the fuck out
Two_old
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Two_old
ladysuburu is a jailkeeper who can negate day actions

they said they weren't going to, but I guess they lied
Chris_old
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Chris_old
I hate you LS

vote ladysuburu
Luna
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Luna
I'd like to be informed how you know before jumping on the wagon, Two
Two_old
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Two_old

Two wrote:

they said
Luna
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Luna
So you are in some kind of neighborhood?
/E: Or did I miss an important post?
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Two_old
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Two_old
I don't believe so
Two_old
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Two_old
I also noticed that lilac didn't count my vote on wojjan

so I guess I'm the victim of vote theft?
Two_old
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Two_old
maybe salvage is a vote stealing spirit
Rantai
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Rantai
I don't recall ever seeing a post from LS saying he was a jailkeeper. If you're not in a neighbourhood then the only other way I that you could communicate is via mason...? Unless I also missed something important.
Two_old
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Two_old
when they jailkeep they establish a temporary mason chat
Salvage
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Two_old
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Two_old
can you modkill salvage please for being both bad and spamming
Chris_old
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Chris_old
it's all starting to come together

the only weird thing is ladysuburu has only posted once

how could they of negated my day ability unless they can only activate it the night before
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh ok.

Odd though I've never heard of a mafia jailkeeper though and Chris brings up a good point on that it seems very unlikely they could have blocked both Two and Chris at day and night.
Luna
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Luna
Chris, can you confirm the mason-chat with LS?
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Luna wrote:

Chris, can you confirm the mason-chat with LS?
I don't have any chat
Two_old
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Two_old
ladysuburu doesn't jailblock during the day

it's a blanket negation of day abilities

and how many mafia even get day abilities? it's inherently anti-town in my opinion
Chris_old
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Two wrote:

and how many mafia even get day abilities? it's inherently anti-town in my opinion
ya ok I agree with that

kill LS
Lilac
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Don't spam Salvage.
Salvage
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Salvage
Ok guys i can post 1 time a day and i'm getting tired of all of you being so bad seriously i was going to post in a while so this is how is going to be:


we are going to lynch two right now as we said d1 OK? regardless of what he says we can't keep a serial killer with a possible near win condition arround (yes he may lie to you about it you don't have to fucking listen and take as true everything he says)




other than that i'll try to talk with votes later on with the numbers of every player if i'm not lazy enough and i have to say something important.



right now we're gonna lynch two regardless seriously don't be so bad at mafia omg, just vote two pls
Chris_old
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Chris_old
no
Two_old
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Two_old
notice how salvage ignores the fact that my vote doesn't count today

he's just trying to save ladysuburu, like wojjan was trying to save him, and like ladysuburu saved wojjan
Luna
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Luna
How does Two know every freaking detail of LS' role? He'd have no reason to tell him everything
orz
Lilac
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Oh. Your vote for Wojjan counted... I just forgot. Crap.
Two_old
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Two_old

Luna wrote:

How does Two know every freaking detail of LS' role? He'd have no reason to tell him everything
orz
they presented themselves as someone who wanted me to win independently, as someone who got to not only choose their own win condition but could ask questions about the setup every night

I don't know their motivation, maybe to get my trust? their motivation doesn't really matter to me

the fact is they said they weren't going to do something, then they did it and cost town a time reversal
Chris_old
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Chris_old
and poor jinxy didn't even get to play again because of them

that is a good enough reason to kill them
Two_old
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Two_old
it's also comical that they said they wanted me to win while pretending not to know that my kill would get blocked by their ability
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm very skeptical about your claim though.

So far I see a universal 'roleblocker' (specific day role negation?) jailkeeper who affects both day and night and can set up a mason with the target and also divulged every bit of information about their role to a claimed serial killer. Sorry if I find that a little ludicrous.

I want to hear what LS has to say this time. I'm not rushing this one to suit your needs.
Rantai
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Rantai
Or is it just day?
Two_old
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Two_old
is the only foundation of your skepticism the amount of information, or do have you used logic to draw an alternate explanation for yourself?

I'm a good liar but I can't make what I said up
Two_old
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Two_old
the blanket roleblock is just day, and I don't know if it's multi use or not
Rantai
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Rantai
The foundation of the skepticism stems from the fact you're a serial killer, the role is rather awkward (and I can't think of a character that fits off the top of my head), a jailkeeper is something I coin with town (this one is debatable though) and you might just be lying like every other anti-town player would.

I don't want to have our potential doc/jailkeeper killed to the whims of a SK without any other discussion/explanation.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
two copy and paste the entire quick topic so we can see it
Two_old
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Two_old

Chris wrote:

two copy and paste the entire quick topic so we can see it
if lilac says it's ok

Rantai wrote:

(and I can't think of a character that fits off the top of my head)
does it help if I say she pulled me into a crevice?
Lilac
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Lilac
Due to the Physics, you are not allowed to.
Chris_old
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Chris_old
paraphrase then
Two_old
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Two_old
I already paraphrased
Chris_old
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Chris_old

Two wrote:

I already paraphrased
in order the entire chat
Luna
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Luna
I have a plan that's different from lynching LS and - in my opinion - has more profits for us.
Two's claims are all so strange and he is a claimed SK, so I really don't want to blindly follow their claims.

We just continue as usual with scumhunting and stuff, leaving Two and LS alone. During night, Two kills LS. This is advantageous for us because we get a directed NK on a likely anti-town player (depending if what Two said was true). It is also advantageous for Two since he has a good chance of turning town according to his claim and eliminating anti-town should be high priority for him for exactly that reason.
To stop that kill from happening, there are two realistic possibilities:
1. LS jails Two again
2. scum kills Two

Get an investigative role on Two and we can confirm what happened. It's highly unlikely that scum has another roleblocker since they apparently already have a day+night one. With an investigative role, scum wouldn't kill Two (would be suicide) and if LS targets him again, that removes a scum role for the night and confirms him as the next lynch.


So instead of
LS lynch
random scum NK
random Two kill

we get
an additional scumhunting lynch
random scum NK (if it's Two, we even get a scum player through investigation)
possible LS kill but guarantee to take either him or his ability out of the equation


Makes more sense imo
But feel free to tell me what you think about it.
Rantai
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Rantai

Two wrote:

does it help if I say she pulled me into a crevice?
Hmm there's one I could think of that fits all but the blanket negation. I guess I'll need to brush up on my character knowledge.

/scratch head

It also seems that Lilac confirmed a mason at the least. Now the only question is why would LS divulge everything.

I will hold off until LS has a say in this.
Two_old
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Two_old
me: hi

them: hi, want to know anything

me: anything would be great, you already know everything about me

them: I chose my win condition to be "I win when anyone else wins", I can ask a question every night and tonight I asked about the town mafia independent ratio (which ended up being 2 - 1 - 1), talking to you here roleblocks you but hopefully it doesn't stop your kill, I'm going to negate all day actions tomorrow, I wouldn't mind letting you win but I don't think the town will let you - I don't care if I win, I'm just going to mess with people

any questions?

me: what motivated you to "risk" roleblocking me and what motivated your decision to stop day actions

them: I felt like it, and I also figured it would give you more information, plus I protect people though I don't think you need it with bulletproof

any more questions?

me: I don't think it's a good idea to negate day actions tomorrow

them: I guess I won't then
Chris_old
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Chris_old
well that was a lot more insightful

you suck LS :(
Rantai
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Rantai
That certainly sounds like something LS would do/say....

Admittedly that is something hard to make up. Ok fine I believe you now.

Vote: LS - screw your mind games.
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