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2012 Secret Santa Mafia | Game Over - Flawless Mafia Victory

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Wojjan
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Wojjan
rantai wasn't a lurker.
in any case if any of you buggers gave the vig role to someone they should probably own up to it. If vig failed, there's still another vig in play. That means two vigs either failed simultaneously or both thought that the other (of whom they were informed exists through their probability) would shoot instead.

So why did no inactive die? I actually think all vigs in play might be all town right now. Scum woulld waste no time using a second kill on an inactive if it wouldn't only reduce our numbers but also earn them confirmed cred.

Thing is, Rantai is a bodyguard. It could be he protected the inactive that got shot. That would have been a dumb move. I hope he didn't do that. If the vig targeted the guy rantai protected and the mafia targeted rantai (because he's a popular princess now) that would be an explanation too.

If vig shot rantai along with maf then please commit Kiddo.
Lilac
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Lilac
Considering how he played previous protective roles. (Seraph Knight...Oh man.) I doubt that he would protect anyone N1 off the bat since he would probably try and gather more info for a possible Town protect.

I'm starting to think that maybe vigs didn't even shoot... If there were two vigs firing, one should hit, otherwise it's complete bullcrap.
foulcoon
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Wojjan wrote:

well there's no lurker dead
that should account for something.
are you dumb or stupid

the lynch bandwagon came up fast for day 1, you sound really scummy trying to pressure people to vig kill "lurkers". of course no "lurker" was night killed, theres already a movement to lynch a list of them.

HoS: Wojjan
Wojjan
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thing is we specifically said "vig kill one a these bitches" and we don't have a bitch dead. No matter if you make those bitches lurkers or people with weeaboo avatars or idiots who HoS instead of vote it stilll doesn't explain only one death unless you're the vig and you didn't shoot.
Lilac
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Wojjan wrote:

thing is I, Wojjan only, specifically said "vig kill one a these bitches"
Fixed it for you. Sure, a vig kill might have given us more information but who knows, maybe the vig has a better idea? Who knows what it might be though?
Sync
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Lilac wrote:

Sync wrote:

Poor Rantai :< Confused why you were lynched myself. Maybe since you suspected me, mafia was setting up a way to point out me as mafia.

Pretty shallow, but who knows
Rantai wasn't lynched... On top that, what makes you think that kill was suppose to point YOU out as Mafia? It just sounds...odd.
I meant killed and Rantai was calling me suspicious D1.
NoHitter
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I'm asking for a replacement.
I don't think I can play a game that's not nearly ending anymore.
Had tests this week, and will have tests next week.

Sorry, I mistimed the start of my exams with this game >.>
Wojjan
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Lilac wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

thing is I, Wojjan only, specifically said "vig kill one a these bitches"
Fixed it for you. Sure, a vig kill might have given us more information but who knows, maybe the vig has a better idea? Who knows what it might be though?
don't you start

Chris said that

if you want to mislynch me so badly Lilac step up your game srsly.
Chris_old
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I wouldn't call a lynch that happened less than 20 hours before the end of the day a rushed lynch.

I'd call someone who's posted once in over 2 days a lurker.

I'm not sure if Sync is just paranoid or bad, but I don't see why he would send a kill in that would (in his opinion) make him look bad.

Since Rantai is dead anyways, I think the person who picked their role should say who they are. Bodyguard isn't that good of a role, but if they knew it was a definite kill then it's very possible that they decided to go for it.

It wouldn't surprise me if mafia killed everyone they chose roles for first.

More than just Wojjan wanted the vigilante to shoot tonight, not sure why you're playing it from that angle Lilac.
Mara
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I used to have this "lurkers -> mafia"-logic, but it has always been wrong.

Or it's just Finnish Mafias.
Mara
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inb4 NoHItter kills me because I opened my mouth again
dkun
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Wojjan wrote:

So why did no inactive die? I actually think all vigs in play might be all town right now. Scum woulld waste no time using a second kill on an inactive if it wouldn't only reduce our numbers but also earn them confirmed cred.
using vig so early in the game and pushing for it so much
itt scum

but then again, i've only lurked and read so far, does that make me scum according to your logic?
foulcoon
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Chris wrote:

I'm not sure if Sync is just paranoid or bad, but I don't see why he would send a kill in that would (in his opinion) make him look bad.
maybe so he could say "mafia probably did that to make me look bad, hurr durr".

dkun wrote:

but then again, i've only lurked and read so far, does that make me scum according to your logic?
yes.
Mashley
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Why are we assuming there is another vig? For all we know, only one vig might have been chosen.
Wojjan
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Dusty said he didn't have full hit chance, so there has to be another vig in play according to someone's role list
read then post plz
Mashley
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Read his post again

Dusty wrote:

If the description on the role list my giftee had is the same as my vig role, I don't even have guaranteed 100% accuracy...
He doesn't say he has a chance of missing. It's quite clear from this post that he doesn't know if he has a chance of missing. The way it's worded suggests that he was simply told what was in the role list, that if there are other vigs then his accuracy goes down.
Read then post plz, right back at you.
Sleep Powder
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Thoughts on Possible Vigilante(s)

Since vigs are 1-shot and have a chance of missing with that many players, they could have assumed other vigs were in play. If they thought that, they wouldn't use their shot because of the low odds. With Dusty dead, there should be 1-2 vigs left at most (50% or 33% chance). They could have missed if there were 2 vigs remaining (33%), but its more likely that the mafia missed a shot rather than a town member (since we don't want to factor out a possible mafia vig).

The mafia should have shared what roles they picked by now. If they actually went for Rantai based on him being a Bodyguard, they must not have picked any good roles. By Rantai's reaction, he didn't seem like he protected anyone. It's likely he got killed by the mafia.

Sync, thinking that the mafia would try to frame you with Rantai's kill seems unlikely. On your part, it just seems like you were trying to defend yourself in some way rather than help the town.

I'm expecting foulcoon or Sync to be mafia at this time. I just feel like foulcoon is mafia, but with no really reasoning (gut feeling).

Yeah, that's enough post content for now...
Lilac
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By God.

Mashley said something that actually made sense and I can somewhat agree on.
Mashley
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Lilac wrote:

By God.

Mashley said something that actually made sense and I can somewhat agree on.
Just because my day 1 posts were such almighty genius that they transcended the level of your pitiful mind.
Lilac
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Lilac
Don't push it.
Jinxy
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Mashley wrote:

Read his post again

Dusty wrote:

If the description on the role list my giftee had is the same as my vig role, I don't even have guaranteed 100% accuracy...
He doesn't say he has a chance of missing. It's quite clear from this post that he doesn't know if he has a chance of missing. The way it's worded suggests that he was simply told what was in the role list, that if there are other vigs then his accuracy goes down.
Read then post plz, right back at you.
He said if his vig role works like his giftee's, then he wouldn't even have 100% accuracy.

Sounds to me like he chose vig for his giftee and thus came to that conclusion that he may not be 100%.
Chris_old
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If whoever picked Rantai's role doesn't claim it, I'm going to assume you're Mafia.

You've got no reason not to unless I hit it spot on that Mafia are killing off the roles they picked. I'm assuming to avoid hitting 1-Shot bulletproofs.

I'm definitely going to vote for whoever it is if it's discovered without you admitting it.
Ivalset
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JInxyjem wrote:

He said if his vig role works like his giftee's, then he wouldn't even have 100% accuracy.

Sounds to me like he chose vig for his giftee and thus came to that conclusion that he may not be 100%.
If he chose vig for his giftee then he would have come to the conclusion that he isn't 100%, not that he might not be 100%.
Jinxy
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No, his post showed that he thought he may not have shared the same type of vig as his giftee but if he did share the same type of vig, it meant that he did not have 100%.
Jinxy
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So basically he was basing his accuracy on whether his vig role was the same type as the giftee's, and not if there were other vigs he did not know about. Thus I believe he did choose vig for his giftee.
Ivalset
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JInxyjem wrote:

No, his post showed that he thought he may not have shared the same type of vig as his giftee but if he did share the same type of vig, it meant that he did not have 100%.
If he was saying what you're trying to say, then his statement would have read:

Dusty wrote:

If the description on the role list my giftee had is the same as my vig role, I don't even have guaranteed 100% accuracy...
bmin11
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I think I lost you JInx. Maybe you are reading in too deeply.

Vig itself not knowing of it's own success rate is someone odd to be honest. He should be the person who knows everything of it's own role. So, I'm going to believe he only knew his success rate wasn't 100%, but not the exact rate so Dusty wouldn't know how many vigs there will be on the game.
Jinxy
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I'm not really sure how removing the "guaranteed" changes anything but considering I'm losing myself a little, I guess I could be reading too deeply.

The only suspicious thing today for me is Sync's post about him being set up by the mafia. Seems odd for him to point it out himself, I'm not sure if he's just that paranoid or maf that's trying to play a weird game of wifom.
Sync
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Sync
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I was just trying to determine the reason why Rantai was killed.
Two_old
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Backfire is replacing NoHItter
Jinxy
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Hey there BF
Backfire
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Hey c:
pieguyn
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ohai Backfire

I wouldn't be surprised if Dusty was the only vigilante. I also wouldn't be surprised if everyone missed or didn't want to risk it considering the fact that they've only got 1 bullet (1-shot vigilante was the only vigilante on my role list, so I doubt there'd be a vigilante with more shots). Or maybe whoever the vigilante was randomly got roleblocked, but I doubt that's the case since I don't think Two would even put a roleblocker on anyone's list since it could end up being town. Or maybe one of the lurkers is bulletproof or something... Anyway, I think there's too many other possibilities for that to be suspicious. :?

I think Chris and Rantai are town due to meta. Mashley at least had a reason for his plan, but the thing is people don't need to claim Santa in advance for it to work. Speaking of that plan, I'm kind of suspicious of Sync o.o I'm not sure why, it's mostly just a gut feeling.

Aside from that, I'm not even sure what to think >.<
pieguyn
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Oh wait, Rantai died. Wow, maybe I should pay more attention rofl
pieguyn
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Okay looking at it again I think Wojjan is suspicious

1. calls out Dusty with kind of bad reasoning
2. Proposes that plan at N1 involving the vigilante. It's highly unlikely all the more inactive people would be mafia, so the mafia wouldn't choose not to kill anyone. IMO it really doesn't make sense...
3. didn't read the thread carefully enough to realize what Dusty said about his accuracy, which is somewhat tied in with 2

I also think JInxyjem is a bit suspicious but that's another gut feeling :?
Wojjan
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I read the thread carefully enough. It should be blatantly obvious that both dusty and dusty's receiving end of the santa both have vig. There for he knows he's not 100% accurate, so when he says that we know there's another vig in play. Why would we not use that?
Why are you also not saying why my reasoning is bad? You ust sort of toss it out there so in the case I get a bandwagon on me you can just say you're right and course along.


play better please, mafs.
Wojjan
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Rantai's death means that if chris has it by the right end nobody in the mafia, which I'll assume are with four in this game, picked doctor from the role list.
If you did pick doc, and you didn't out who you picked it for yet in Mashley's idiot move, you should probably claim that there's a doc in play. in that case, ONE rolecop can out himself and get doc protection. Even if the doc is maf they can't kill the cop without sacrificing the best guy on their team, the one who's gonna protect them from all the vig shots. Since apparently we have plenty.
Ivalset
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vote: Sync
Lilac
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Unvote, Vote: Sync.

I agree. Ival has a very convincing argument.



Unvote.

Very very convincing.
Ivalset
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I feel obligated to point out that I didn't make an argument at all!
Wojjan
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then you probably shouldn't be voting!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bmin11
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I don't think there was ever a doc for our choice. You mean by the Bodyguard, right?
Chris_old
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I agree. If you know there's a doctor you should say so now, but don't say who.

That sounds like a pretty good plan, and it'd allow us to night by night scan the more suspicious people.

.. if you actually had the ability to pick roleblocker and did, say it now please. That's an important bit of information.
Wojjan
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yeah well if a cop gets no result the guy who sent in roleblocker for someone outs their giftee and they're scum.
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LadySuburu is replacing Dafydd
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I shouldn't do this, but hi guys.
Wojjan
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hi LS
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any thoughts?
bmin11
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hello LS
LadySuburu
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Wojjan wrote:

any thoughts?
Haven't quite read the thread up till now. Wasn't tracking it.

Currently on page 6.
Two_old
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there are around 30 hours left until night 2 btw
Chris_old
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Vote: Lilac
LadySuburu
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From a quick read, without going really deep into the posts.

Gut feeling on Sync and Mashley.

Not sure why people are dismissing Mash as possible scum.

There's a decent amount of "cop-out" roles available in this game, based on the list I have. Somewhat suspicious of those who voted due to it being a "convenient cop-out" role. Expecially since Mafia recieve whatever role is given to them, they can claim what their role actually is generally and be safe. It's like what goes on with my giving mafia believable extra abilities in my games, except in this game everyone has specifically one ability.
Jinxy
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Responding to prod, I guess? Just woke up, I'll post more later.
dkun
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Also responding to a prod. Had a busy day, catching up on reading.
Sync
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I'm still up for lynching Mashley.
pieguyn
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hahaha hi LS

It should be blatantly obvious that both dusty and dusty's receiving end of the santa both have vig. There for he knows he's not 100% accurate, so when he says that we know there's another vig in play. Why would we not use that?
He says that he didn't have guaranteed 100% accuracy. This means that he might not have 100% accuracy, but on the other hand he might.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Dusty picked a vigilante for his giftee either.

Why are you also not saying why my reasoning is bad? You ust sort of toss it out there so in the case I get a bandwagon on me you can just say you're right and course along.
IMO it's bad because Dusty had quite a good point IMO, and you said it wasn't.

There's a decent amount of "cop-out" roles available in this game, based on the list I have. Somewhat suspicious of those who voted due to it being a "convenient cop-out" role. Expecially since Mafia recieve whatever role is given to them, they can claim what their role actually is generally and be safe. It's like what goes on with my giving mafia believable extra abilities in my games, except in this game everyone has specifically one ability.
I agree, the mafia don't really have a reason to lie this time, so we have to rely almost exclusively on scumhunting via posts. :?

I think we should either lynch Sync or Mashley. (Not Wojjan because I don't find him as suspicious as Sync or Mashley at this point)
Sync
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Eh, I don't see why you guys want to lynch me. Is it because of that post I made at start of D2, or is it because I answered Mashley's question D1?
pieguyn
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both of course
Backfire
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Sorry I haven't posted much at all, I'm a little busy. Will read whole thing soon ^^;
Sync
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excuses excuses excuses

@pieguy: I'd like to hear YOUR reason as to why those make me mafia (especially the first reason)
pieguyn
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Regarding the post at D2, it's kind of useless to post something like that, it seems like you're paranoid people will call you out on that. To be honest deaths are just a big ball of WIFOM, so it doesn't even matter that much (so I doubt anyone who's town would say that)
Sync
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yeah, I kind of regret posting it. The only reason I regret posting it is because people are ripping my ass apart because of it. It was only speculation.
Chris_old
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I feel like Sync is probably telling the truth, but it was a really bad move to make.

I'm really not willing to lynch them over it though, despite the D1 issue.

Let's not forget that whoever picked Rantai's role has basically refused to claim they did.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct about mafia killing off the people they gave roles too.
Sync
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Did we give each other our roles (the person we gave the role to)?
bmin11
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If we assume everyone's random, there is a chance for that case.
Mara
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just responding to prod
Two_old
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responding to a prod with a post saying that you are responding to a prod, with nothing else in it, isn't really responding to a prod as you are still as afk as you were before and the post you just posted may as well have not existed :idea:
Mara
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dude what the fuck

let me try to wake up faster so I can actually understand shit
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total mindrape
Sleep Powder
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Not really sure who to vote for... I'll just leave this post here as a placeholder (cuz of a prod) and I'll post something with better content later.
foulcoon
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heres who I think are most suspicious at this point:

Sync
Wojjan
pieguy


i'm game for a lynch on any of the 3
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Vote LunaticMara
Jesus christ this guy's posts are scummmy. Seriously, read his ISO.
Sync
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foulcoon wrote:

heres who I think are most suspicious at this point:

Sync
Wojjan
pieguy


i'm game for a lynch on any of the 3
funny how pieguy makes the list and mashley doesn't

is it because pieguy is maf too and you don't want to seem like you are working with him? nice try, your list is terrible and you don't even list reasons. please get off aion for 5 minutes and come up with valid excuses as to why you want these people lynched.

@Mashley: yeah, stupid posts but I think there are more suspicious people at this point

what do people think

and don't just make lists without reasons next to them like foulcoon did
Wojjan
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vote pieguy
Sync
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Sync
mashley or pieguy

choose one

I choose pieguy because of the role I gave him makes it possible he is mafia
and that foulcoon bullshit

vote: pieguy
Chris_old
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If you're planning on lynching pieguy, why don't you tell us what "mafia" role you gave him?

I'd rather not lynch someone based on a suspicious persons word alone.
Sync
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rolecop
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As I've said before, giving someone a role makes it no more or less likely for them to be mafia. Two's clearly stated that mafia are randomly chosen, which is why you want to be careful about what role you give. (See OP)

Using that as reasoning for a lynch is very scummy to me, and that's twice now where it seems to be influincing a lynch, at least with Sync's reasonings. (First with Dusty, Vig being a "cop-out" role. Now with pie, rolecop likely being mafia.)

Vote: Sync
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Vote: Sync

Someone protect pieguy please.
Sync
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how could you both be so blatantly scummy

definitely seems like you two worked together on that one

unless of course LS, chris, and pieguy are mafia working together

no regrets giving out his role especially because he is suspicious as fuck
Sync
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i'm just a trooper for the town and you guys know it
bmin11
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Can you explain how a role cop would ever tilt the chance of being mafia? Remember, mafia is chosen randomly by the mod (Two) and I really doubt the role choice would ever influence the chance.
Sync
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because rolecop mafia is a popular mafia role and it's hard to imagine mafia being really unbalanced like that

also, the shit foulcoon pulled is even more convincing
bmin11
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And I think the vig should not shoot the lurker just yet. We could just simply lynch the lurker if you really want them dead that badly and save the shot for now.
bmin11
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Sync wrote:

because rolecop mafia is a popular mafia role and it's hard to imagine mafia being really unbalanced like that

also, the shit foulcoon pulled is even more convincing
If we assume the role is given after the mafia was chosen, this would make sense (not that it could be true), but I'm not sure if that is the case with role distribution. Does anyone knows which comes first?
Sync
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"Because the mafia will be chosen at random, you should think very carefully about what role you give to whom. Secret santa assignments and role lists will remain officially hidden, but you are free to share/claim anything yourselves."

that does not translate into "mafia will be super under-powered, weak, and insignificant"

if mafia would truly random, there is no stopping the fact that having 4 vanilla mafia is possible. can someone explain to me how this works?
bmin11
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And there is a chance of having 4 vanilla townies if people really chose vanilla townies for the role choice.
Chris_old
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Let's list the terrible plays Sync has made since the beginning of this game..

1.) Claimed pieguy was the person he a chose a role for.
2.) Tries to vote for Wojjan for not following the terrible plan, then says "both of his votes were jokes".
3.) Claims that he didn't think about what he was doing before he told everyone.
4.) Tries to vote for Mashley to divert attention away from himself after I defended bmin.
5.) Immediately claims the Rantai kill was to frame him, even though no one said anything.
6.) Tries to divert attention to Mashley, again.
7.) Claims everyone who voted for him is obviously mafia.
8.) Tells everyone pieguy is a rolecop and votes for him.
9.) Doesn't even know the basic setup of the game.

I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt, assuming that you were just bad. I don't think that anymore.
Two_old
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Two_old
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pieguy1372 (2): Wojjan, Sync
Wojjan (1): Lilac
Lilac (1): Chris
LunaticMara (1): Mashley
Sync (1): LadySuburu

there are 5 hours and 20 minutes left if I'm any good at math
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
5 hours D: I'd request an extension but I doubt that's Two's style. Lynch Mara guys.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync
1.) you're right
2.) this is not in chronological order
3.) it's true
4.) voted for mashley because mashley himself was trying to divert attention away from him
5.) was just speculation
6.) because he is suspicious
7.) yes, I did. especially foulcoon. his reasons are weak and scummy
8.) because
9.) the "basic setup" seems unlikely to be 100% true and how do you know if mafia roles were randomized before or after roles were given
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
also, chris: making it really obvious that you're just being scummy because you didn't even unvote before you voted for me what the fuck

I'm not complaining though ~~~~~
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11

Sync wrote:

4.) voted for mashley because mashley himself was trying to divert attention away from him
Mashley trying to divert away from Mashley himself.......... I really hope this is not what you meant.

Sync wrote:

7.) yes, I did. especially foulcoon. his reasons are weak and scummy
Explain this in detail. Like, everything you can say about pieguy and foulcoon.

Sync wrote:

9.) the "basic setup" seems unlikely to be 100% true and how do you know if mafia roles were randomized before or after roles were given
Meaning Two is lying to us? From what Two has said about the role choice and stuff, I'm actually going to believe roles were given first, then the mafia were chosen randomly.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
I meant to say that he was trying to move himself from under the spotlight by voting with salvage and wojjan (because they won't call him out if he does what they ask)

foulcoon comes up with this bullshit list (his second post in the entire game?) (viewtopic.php?p=1273196#p1273196). he gives no reasoning whatsoever. It's not like it made up for the "excessive" input he's had on the game thus far. also, putting pieguy (someone who's appeared to be pro-town this whole game so far) in that list randomly is what really made me suspect foulcoon and pieguy as mafia (foulcoon pointing his finger at pieguy to make it seem unlikely they are working together)

Nope, I'm just saying it's unlikely that the Mod did not manipulate the choosing of alignment in any way, shape, or form to balance the game out.
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
I don't think you get how roles are chosen. Here is the step
1) People choose the role for the other
2) Two now randomizes the mafia member
3) Take a look at what the person was given and give the role while balancing it.

Now tell me, how a person getting a role cop as an option would influence the chance of getting mafia? It is random.

You guys are both bull shit, but you know the difference? foulcoon didn't vote and you did. I don't think I would have to explain the difference.


vote: Sync
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
I'm not mafia and you are making a mistake. don't you guys understand the importance of somebody in town to go out and bite mafia where it hurts

they're probably trembling they're so scared of the power I hold alone. after all, I already pointed them out

you should unvote and vote for pieguy, foulcoon, or mashley. either work for me
Jinxy
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Joined February 2009
Jinxy
P.S. Talking like that does not make you Two/Salvage


poser
Sync
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Sync
thx JInxyjem for contributing something so useful to the game other than the ISO

you're right though I wish I was Two/Salvage because I want to be admired amongst the osu mafia communtiy so badly

I am trying to be them on purpose

That is my intent

you read me perfectly
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