Kay.

I'd like to elaborate further but again I'm going to wait until the next day.

Indeed, that raises a lot of questions in my opinion as well.

The fact is why are you suppressing activity, Rantai? Will you even survive the night? What makes you so sure you're going to live to the next day? Cause if you don't...this is all for nothing.

What I'm thinking isn't very hard to figure out.

I'm suppressing because if we get any leads today then the mafia can manipulate that for the night kill tonight and leave us hanging on the next day because we can't do a lynch today without lowering our chances to hit mafia.

I can see where you're getting at but...

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch.

Can we at least make a suspicion list as to who you would think the final mafia are? Rantai said me and Sync and I believe that animask is mafia.

Sync and Lilac atm.

Sync, if you actually are a bus driver, swap me and someone tonight.

I wonder if this'll work.

So guys, I was watching Persona 4 The Animation today... Something kinda makes me feel odd about it but...

will do, Rantai

Actually I prefer if we do not discuss anything at the moment.
Any suspicions on anyone you confirm today can be used by the Mafia to turn the Nightkill into a mess of WIFOM.
Vote: No Lynch

ok

Vote: No Lynch

Everyone quickly decided not to lynch anyone, choosing to play their odds instead. No one was lynched today.

It is now Night 5. The deadline is in 24 hours.

Sorry for the delay (again)...

Everyone woke up to find Sync dead.

Sync - Busdriver (compulsive) - Killed N5

It is now D6. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 72 hours.

fuck

NoHiTter, you don't normally vote for a No Lynch... well at this time I really shouldn't roleclaim.

I'll roleclaim to somewhat avoid a lynch... mafia obviously wants to use me as a lynch target so they're keeping me alive.

I find Lilac and NoHiTter (only because of the vote thing) suspicous at this moment. I really want to lynch
Lilac today, but I think I should hear what other people have to say first.

Roleclaim: Nexus.

At this point in time, I want animask and Rantai lynched. I do have a feeling that JInx is responsible for the extensions of Nights though.

Lilac wrote:

Roleclaim: Nexus.

At this point in time, I want animask and Rantai lynched. I do have a feeling that JInx is responsible for the extensions of Nights though.

Hmm, so you're saying that JInxy has been inactive? Do you mean that pieguy is waiting for JInxy to send a night action? (NK PM)
That could be possible... or something clever for the mafia to use... wait, why hasn't JInxy been prodded yet?

Why don't you prod him?

Rantai wrote:

Ignoring the fact that Sync lied about his bus driver?

There are no roleblockers on the mafia side as far as I can tell.

I get the feeling Lilac is trying to divert attention from that.

Also, this post is complete bullshit now. That and there's a few other bones to pick as to why I think Rantai is mafia, more coming up.

JInxyjem, I'll be waiting for you to post something...

Wait what I'm not dead in this game? Sorry guys, I'll reread when I get home.

But Lilac's roleclaim is odd. There are way too many redirection roles here.

Is your role x-shot?

No.

Blame pieguy.

Oh shit...

...What have I frickin' done?

GJ, mafia. You won.

I just got a one-way ticket to being modkilled. Screw you, pieguy.

Nexus, well that's just great.

I was going to say (the other day) that Lilac might have been targeted and got Mianki killed, somewhat confirming him. But now that I see a nexus, how does it affect a busdriver's ability?

Also I'm thinking a mass claim is in order now, ly-lo and all.

How the hell can I not roleclaim Nexus? That's bullshit.

You seriously aren't allowed to claim Nexus? I find that ridiculous on the mod's part. I thought my game was bad (yet entertaining).

If you really do get modkilled, I guess I'm going for NoHiTter.

Rantai, I don't think a Nexus works like that. It isn't supposed to redirect kills, but idk what pieguy did.

If he's modkilled, it's game over.

I thought a nexus redirects any action directed at them to someone else.

It does, I only just saw now that I couldn't claim it.

Hate you all.

That would be the worst way to lose. Don't do it pieguy.

Rantai wrote:

If he's modkilled, it's game over.

I thought a nexus redirects any action directed at them to someone else.

So there are 2 mafia remaining? Oh well, gg

15 players, 4 mafia makes sense. 3 mafia would be nice though.

That means Rantai and NoHiTter are mafia (or JInxyjem, but I didn't suspect him).

I'm more apprehensive of those who aren't claiming at the moment. Seeing as they are withholding info at a possible ly-lo.

And I'm almost certain I'm the 'compulsive' switch.

Switch nonetheless though.

You probably just made people compulsive.

GJ, Rantai.

Okay, in the VERY VERY unlikely event that there's only one mafia left. Who do you think it is?

GG, animask. Best mafia ever.

Jinxy or animask.

Oh yeah no one vote until we're certain who we want to lynch, if there are 2 left it'll only take one town to make us lose.

Here's my list of reasoning to find scummy shit from everyone.

1. animask - Stuffed up what this game is. Normal setup. On top of that, messed up with talking about D3 and D2. You can find my previous arguments on him at the end of Day 5.
   
2. Rantai - Gave literally NOTHING to say why I was mafia, even though I encouraged him to say so. There was no evidence, no quotes, no nothing. Even tried to down my argument with the same approach, nothing. Not really a mafia sign, I'm just really annoyed.
   
3. NoHItter - He's basically the most town sounding bastard that's left. It's also proven that the most town sounding people are probably the most likely to be mafia. It's weak but do not forget, no-one is EVER confirmed town.
   
4. JInx - Gone for weeks on end. Only voted for the 2 confirmed mafia. "That was easy." on DxS lynch, contributing nothing more than votecounts and ISO making.

Rantai wrote:

Ignoring the fact that Sync lied about his bus driver?

There are no roleblockers on the mafia side as far as I can tell.

I get the feeling Lilac is trying to divert attention from that.

While we know it's BS now, we didn't know that before. That was the basis of my suspicion.

Though now that I know that Sync was actually a bus driver, depending on how a nexus works I'm a lot less suspicious now.

You didn't even come to conclusion or reason as to why he lied.

That's why it's so bad.

Sorry, I'm basically forced to do this, but at least town hasn't lost yet o.o

Lilac - Nexus - Modkilled

It is now N6. The deadline is in 24 hours.

Yay, go town.

One entire game day ends while I'm in school?
Really >.>

Everyone woke up expecting to find three. Then not three, but four people showed up. It seems no one died last night.

It is now Day 7. With 4 alive, it's 3 to lynch. The deadline is in 72 hours

So 1 mafia left huh.

That no kill is highly suspicious in itself though.

Interesting.
I need to confirm something with the mod first.

Also:

animask wrote:

NoHiTter, you don't normally vote for a No Lynch...

In that suspected My-Lo situation. We thought there were 2 mafia and 4 town, a mislynch would have made us lose.
In theory, it was better then to No Lynch and eliminate one possible suspect from the nightkill that could occur.

Funny enough we're at that situation again.

Think we should do another no lynch?

Or take our chances on my-lo?

OK so I got my reply from the mod.
Now, I think I have information that could 95% confirm one person, but only if no redirections occurred to that person.
I don't quite want to reveal anything else yet.

So, did you guys do anything that could have resulted in a redirection?
If not then I can confirm 95% someone to be town.

My role can't redirect in any way. I'm thinking there shouldn't be any more redirection roles in this game, because there are already 3 confirmed (dead) ones. We should go with a No-Lynch today... also, which mafia/person here would want to avoid a 2 vs 1 Ly-Lo situation?

I'd actually go with NoHiTter, but him wanting to confirm town seems... town-like.

JInxyjem wrote:

I can't confirm Sync's role, but I have redirection powers too.
I can only reveal it's x-shot and pretty damned useless. Any more and I may get modkilled.

From here.
I have not used my power for the whole of the game for obvious reasons.

Also I think that post can confirm me as town too, after what happened to Lilac.

I wouldn't mind a no-lynch, assuming the mafia doesn't try to not kill again. That's a dick move.

Since Rantai claimed Switch, then I suppose we have no claimed redirection from town.
That means that i can confirm animask 95% as town.

I do not want to disclose any more details, but I targeted animask and no none died.
This leads me to believe that he is 95% town.
The remaining 5% is if the Mafia chose to No Kill which I find highly unlikely.

Vote: No Lynch

vote: No Lynch

I swear, if there's no kill...

Ok No Lynch it is.

Vote: No Lynch

Everyone decided to play their odds again and no one was lynched.

Everyone went to bed and slept quietly thinking that everything was peaceful. Then, they heard a loud gunshot. Was this an early wake-up call, or did someone actually get shot? Then, they went to the town square only to find JInxyjem was missing.

JInxyjem - 1-shot Lightning Rod - Killed N7

It is now Day 8. With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch. The deadline is in 72 hours.

Ok.

NoHItter, explain what you were holding back from the last day, what makes you certain animask is town?

Hmm, only the mafia would want to keep someone who is "95% confirmed" alive. NoHiTter seems suspicious... why didn't I get killed? He could be using me so I would end up voting for Rantai. Also, I want you to answer Rantai's question in detail.

Also, I might as well roleclaim since its Ly-Lo.

Roleclaim: Coroner

Maybe someone can tell me how this role could fit in this game, because I'm not seeing it.

Actually, it probably has something to do with all the redirecting roles.

I suspect that if you had died we wouldn't be able to see the roles of who dies.

Isn't that what a coroner does?

I'm a Doctor/Cop Backup.
Whichever of the two dies first, I become it, but only get 50% chance of successfully doing my action.

Night 6, I protected animask, and there was no kill.
That's why I believe that he is town UNLESS mafia no killed (which I find highly unlikely) - then he could be mafia as well.

My Actions:
N4: Protect Sync
N5: Protect Rantai
N6: Protect animask
N7: Protect animask

I think then that we're lucky that JInxyjem was a Lightning Rod.
He must have directed the kill towards himself, thus giving us two confirmed town, basically.

Actually, if it weren't for what happened N6, I would be considering animask as mafia with how he's been acting all game.
I'm going to vote for Rantai, but not yet. Don't want to be too hasty at Ly-Lo.

Actually I'm thinking that lightning rod hurt more than it helped because we don't have any night kill wifom to work with today.

Problem here is that animask's general play has been suspicious, I've been attributing it to oversights but I have no idea now. His role seems very out of place because it's not apparent we have any sort of janitor (if it was placed in the game to allow town to see roles of kills then this game could have gone to hell if animask was killed, we'd be blind).

NoHItter is the only person alive, at the time, who I suspect would have done a no kill because it was strategically sound. He would have gotten more info and it works perfectly with his claimed role. 50% was extremely convenient too, it means that the possibility of the lightning rod dying was still open while creating a believable story.

Honestly this is a bad situation to be in, seems like a coin toss.

Hold on. You're a 'back up doctor' right. You know how your role works, 50/50 chance of working etc etc.

What information could you possibly have needed from the mod to make the connection that the mafia may have shot animask when you 'protected him' when the no kill flipped?

Another thing is why would they shoot animask of all people?

Actually, a no kill at that point wouldn't be "strategically sound" for Mafia- in fact Mafia wouldn't want to no kill at all.
A no kill could basically increase any information gained by town at that point.

If there were any investigatory roles left, then Mafia could have been exposed.
(An example is if Mianki had died first and I became the Backup Cop instead of the Backup Doctor)

That's why I believe that animask is town as I protected him and no kill occurred even if my protect was just 50%.

Preview Edit:

Rantai wrote:

What information could you possibly have needed from the mod to make the connection that the mafia may have shot animask when you 'protected him' when the no kill flipped?

I was confirming if the Mafia was forced to do a kill every night, as in some games in MafiaScum, they have to send a kill each night.
I considered the possibility of a no kill too, but pieguy refused to answer.
Anyway, I still stand that Mafia no killing would be very unlikely.

Rantai wrote:

Another thing is why would they shoot animask of all people?

That question is WIFOM.
If I were to answer that, then perhaps to frame someone else - like me?
animask was heavily accusing me, so it would make sense if the "Mafia would kill the guy suspicious of them."

Either way, the choice of the kill is WIFOM and I targeted animask based on my gut and turns out, I was right.

Calling me suspicious without saying why? I guess its more of a character trait than anything else by now...

Rantai, what is your role and what have you been doing with it? I couldn't find anything about your
role.

@NoHItter, a no-kill benefiting informative roles in the town is a good reason for the mafia to avoid a no-kill, but you're saying
that Rantai tried to kill me? It really does seem a bit too convenient (including the 50% chance). I'm still thinking of voting for you, NoHItter.

I claimed on... day 3?

Found the post: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1238549#p1238549

Basically I am a switch and I believe I am the 'compulsive' switch. Otherwise, no I wasn't told what my switch actually does.

FWIW animask, you were suspicious because of your constant tunneling on Lilac (and me to some extent).

Rantai if you were the compulsive switch as you claim, then your ability is anti-town.
Having so many redirection roles forced to do an action would mess up any protects and investigations.

The Mafia had a roleblocker to counter any possible redirections, but Town does not.
This leads me to think that your role is anti-town.
And claiming it early, it wasn't questioned as an anti-town role.

Although Mafia Switch seems like a very odd role, from the info we have, that's the only logical conclusion I can think of.

A switch having an anti-town effect isn't all that surprising, albeit it sucks. However I could not have known what it would do.

On the other hand I have never seen a mafia switch before and this being a normal game, wouldn't make much sense either (ie uncommon role/faction combos are best suited to experimental set ups).

I still think your claim is far too convenient, especially the 50% part. As far as I can remember in other normal games, the nurse/deputy didn't have a 50% modifier.

In An osu! Mafia the Nurse and Deputy I gave out only got a 50% chance of protecting and investigating respectively.

And please explain to me how my claim was too "convenient"?
JInxy was the Lightning Rod. I didn't protect JINxy, I protected animask.

Lightning rod.

All actions towards them.

Meaning both the kill and protection went to him. Fair enough on the nurse/deputy (but it was your game though, not sure to ignore or pay attention to that)

Lightning Rod redirects all actions?
I thought that it was just the Nightkill.

EBWOP:
Apparently the wiki says that it does redirect all actions not just the kill. >.>
Well yes then I would have to agree then that the 50% chance on my kill would be look very convenient if I were fakeclaiming as Mafia...

But that's my role. Lying about it would be worse.

Now I am extremely suspicious. Of all people I didn't expect you to have a lapse in memory of a role you've encountered before (especially a fairly known one).

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lightning_Rod for reference.

This smells of feigning ignorance.

Where'd animask go?

Also I just realised animask roleclaimed without an issue here but refused to on the other 'ly-lo' (or what we thought was ly-lo). Something tells me he knew something about the setup at the time.

Well, you really can't argue against your meta.
IIRC this is the first game I played with a Lightning Rod? Which game have I encountered a Lightning Rod before?
I've always assumed that Lightning Rod just redirects kills.

Just for the record:
I wasn't feigning ignorance there.

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=63219

0_o the masochist.

You're right... Then why can't I seem to remember reading the role PM at the end of the game >.<
Well either way, I can't prove that I didn't know the role specifics of the Lightning Rod.

But believe me, I didn't know it until now.

Say you are telling the truth, then I can't see any other explanation on this turn of events.

Unless animask did a no kill.

Ugh.

Rantai wrote:

Where'd animask go?

Also I just realised animask roleclaimed without an issue here but refused to on the other 'ly-lo' (or what we thought was ly-lo). Something tells me he knew something about the setup at the time.

I didn't want to claim earlier (D7) because it was still possible for me to get NK'd. If you mean D6, I assumed we were either going to lose or there was only 1 mafia remaining. I didn't want to roleclaim with that in mind.

40 hours left.

I'm just going to go back and take everything I can find;

Hitter -


Outside that he's been playing a standard town/mafia play indicative of nothing. (not hammering a lynch until more said, suppressing my-lo talk etc)

animask - nothing overlooked from the last time I looked (ie when Lilac was grilling him)

Again I am unsure whether or not to give him the benefit of the doubt. The only thing of note that hasn't been mentioned was he didn't arrive until day 2. But yes single-handedly lynching a town never looks good...

In the end though both logic and gut is telling me Hitter.

How exactly was that a rolefish?
I only asked if that a power role claim if they have info that could out scum.
I wasn't asking that the power role claim if they didn't have that info.

I reread and discovered that we had another mystery.
Mianki claimed that he was roleblocked on N3 and thus was unable to do an action.

Based on the current claims and flips, we have no way of answering this.
That would mean we have another Mafia Roleblocker? I think that's highly unlikely though.

Now based on the current claims, we have Rantai who claimed Switch that seemingly turns stuff into compulsive.
This can be partly confirmed with Sync's claim with not submitting an action before, but flipping compulsive.
But this doesn't confirm alignment whatsoever as the ability of the switch was anti-town.

My claim can be also partly confirmed by the lack of a Nightkill N6, but this is subjected to WIFOM.

animask is the only one whose claim cannot be verified in any way.
This leads to a somewhat new suspicion, but I can't really seem to accept that he would be Mafia.
No killing and betting on the fact that there was a possible Doctor?
It's seems against animask's meta.

tl;dr I'm confused now.
I still think it's Rantai - the way he's scumpainting me, but I've having doubts now.

The only other explanation is that animask no killed at the same time NoHItter protected him. Then that protection failed on Jinxy.

animask, are you able to provide more details on your coroner role?

Edit: ninjaed

As long as I'm alive, I determine the roles of players who are lynched and NK'd and its posted along with their death notice.

It's a coroner role and not a janitor one, so I can't decide if the results are displayed or not. There really isn't much to explain.

Just makes no sense why such a crippling (potentially, if killed) role would exist.

I won't be online at the deadline...

I'm really starting to think the key of the entire game is with that roleblocking of Mianki.
I'm going to think about it more...

So at the risk of my Biology exam, here goes nothing:

So we have the unexplained roleblocked claim from Mianki.
Assuming he was telling the truth (which town SHOULD do), this implies that we possibly have another role that could "roleblock".

There could be the presence of another Mafia Roleblocker, but this is VERY unlikely (at least in my opinion) as it would imbalance the game and possibly give roleblock - roleblock interactions which can be messy in deciding given the presence of so many power roles.

Now what other role could "roleblock" a possible power role given the current claims and flips?
After rereading, the only other explanation I could think of is a role that doesn't allow to be targeted.
It was never confirmed that Mianki's action was roleblocked. He only said that he didn't receive a result, and possibly associated it with being roleblocked?

As there are no town role claims that can explain this, it could indicate that there is one Mafia role that cannot be targeted?
Though I haven't heard of such a role and even though this game is supposedly a "normal game", it would make sense considering all the redirection roles placed.

So far with Rantai's claim and animask's claim, only Rantai's claim can be verified to some extent.
As I've said earlier, Rantai's compulsive switch claim is somewhat supported by Sync's claim to have withheld an action prior to flipping compulsive.
animask's claim of Coroner on the other hand, cannot be verified in any way.

This now leads me to think that animask has to be the Mafia given the current circumstances, despite me not believing that he would No Kill intentionally, and being "lucky" that I protected him on the night he decided to No Kill.
Vote: animask

(I officially hate Ly-Lo now.)

Well that's it from me.
I won't be online anymore until the deadline.

Geh.

It's boiled down to who I think is more likely to do a no kill...

Mod: request extension please

Oh screw it;

Vote: NoHItter

animask you better get in here.

Vote: NoHItter

Yay, we win!

I think so anyways...

Aww ok

Someone had been leading them in a loop all this time. It was going so well, with two mafia lynched the first two days. However, they could tell that this would be their last opportunity...after all, there was hardly anyone left.

Eventually, it was decided that NoHItter would be the one to go. Everyone was very hesitant about this decision, but ultimately, two of the three remaining people commandeered the Large Hadron Collider and threw NoHItter in. The next thing they knew, a black hole had appeared out of nowhere and NoHItter was no more.

NoHItter -

yay i have a streak of like 5 games

By the way, I'm really sorry for completely leaving during the first few days. =.= I didn't foresee at all that I wouldn't be able to update regularly... I've definitely learned my lesson though.

Pst, I never actually used my role for the whole game.

3 Mafia : 12 Town : 0 Indies was a very town sided game.
When I realized that town had all these redirection roles, I knew it would be a miracle if we had one. (which it almost was)

And yes, I wasn't really feigning innocence with that Lightning Rod.
If I knew that then I would have claimed 1-Shot Universal Backup instead.

Mafia Chat/Personal Thoughts QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/kayVLRuKmVHQ

And bussing TBTE was our plan from the start in a fail attempt to make DxS look town since he always looks scummy.
Even Mafia won't be stupid enough to out a member on the first day - was the logic.
Too bad Mianki copped him.

Anyway, I still consider this a personal win - accounting that if this game was properly balanced, we should have won when Lilac got modkilled.
Note that if you're unsure about your game's balancing - especially on a "Normal" game, maybe you can get a second opinion first.

Edit: And now to study for the Chemistry exam...