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can start with 16 but going to wait a little to see if we can get 18
adam just because two got you lynched in you are mafia doesn't mean you shouldn't join
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Okay, starting to send out secret santa pms. Please don't talk during this, not that it would behoove you anyway since you could end up being mafia.
Confirming before confirm phase derp
Topic Starter
there is no confirm phase
It's now Day 1. You have 72 hours from this post before it's Night 1. It takes 10 votes to lynch.
It's now Day 1. You have 72 hours from this post before it's Night 1. It takes 10 votes to lynch.
Confirm
Oh, well.
I'll go make the ISOs now.
I'll go make the ISOs now.
jinxyjem trying to seem town by assisting
vote: jinxyjem
vote: jinxyjem
Oh lol no confirm stage, ok then.
I had an idea to play D1 a little smarter considering the setup.
If someone seems to be coming up for the lynch, if they decide to roleclaim to attempt to save themselves, we should decide if the role they have would be useful to a mafia member.
If not let them live (assuming it's not obvious they are mafia) and if so go through with the lynch.
It'll keep it from being a huge claim fest and make the lynch a little less random.
If someone seems to be coming up for the lynch, if they decide to roleclaim to attempt to save themselves, we should decide if the role they have would be useful to a mafia member.
If not let them live (assuming it's not obvious they are mafia) and if so go through with the lynch.
It'll keep it from being a huge claim fest and make the lynch a little less random.
I can abide by this.
Yeah, that makes sense. Two would still need some sort of balance so it can't be completely random.
sup niggas
Interesting the role I got wasn't on the list of roles I chose to give out.
Considering what Two and Jinxy said, I've got to think. What if Two preassigned who was Mafia and Town, then gave out a list to another person to decide what role they have?
This implies that the Mafia roles and Town roles will get slightly different lists.
If this were true then all we need is to claim the lists we all received and analyze.
Then find a possible pattern then lynch the targets of those whose lists are different.
Even if the Mafia "changes" the list they receive, we would still have majority of the correct ones that town gave to analyze.
Considering what Two and Jinxy said, I've got to think. What if Two preassigned who was Mafia and Town, then gave out a list to another person to decide what role they have?
This implies that the Mafia roles and Town roles will get slightly different lists.
If this were true then all we need is to claim the lists we all received and analyze.
Then find a possible pattern then lynch the targets of those whose lists are different.
Even if the Mafia "changes" the list they receive, we would still have majority of the correct ones that town gave to analyze.
I don't really understand what could be analyzed from a rather large list of roles though. If there wasn't so many options I'd just say you were rolefishing.Two wrote:
Because the mafia will be chosen at random, you should think very carefully about what role you give to whom.
.. for the record I received a role different from the ones I was provided to pick from as well.
@MOD: Can you clarify on if you meant Mafia were chosen before or after the roles were picked?
I'm willing to agree with that with the condition that it's not the only thing we rely on in finding Mafia. It's not a bad plan but I can see some potential mistakes and loopholes being made if the Mafia actually DO come up with something...believable.
Are there any third parties?
Hitter something is wrong with that I'm sure Two made different lists for everyone, only even slightly. All we're doing is giving the mafia kills for those people who didn't have "bulletproof" or similar on the list
Hitter something is wrong with that I'm sure Two made different lists for everyone, only even slightly. All we're doing is giving the mafia kills for those people who didn't have "bulletproof" or similar on the list
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I didn't mean either of them. I'm not going to give more information than I gave (on that subject) until after the game is over.Chris wrote:
@MOD: Can you clarify on if you meant Mafia were chosen before or after the roles were picked?Two wrote:
Because the mafia will be chosen at random, you should think very carefully about what role you give to whom.
and no there are no third parties
I'd assume there are no third parties, just because the player who gave the role would know immediately.
Unless it was just random with whatever role they happened to get. It's possible I guess.
that took effort
Unless it was just random with whatever role they happened to get. It's possible I guess.
Good point, that didn't even cross my mind.Wojjan wrote:
All we're doing is giving the mafia kills for those people who didn't have "bulletproof" or similar on the list
Nevermind then.Two wrote:
and no there are no third parties
that took effort
That's what I meant.
There would be different lists, but only slightly different.
For example. a cop would be useless to mafia, so a role list with cop would be most likely town.
But this is assuming mafia was chosen randomly before and lists were distributed were based on that.
Anyway, I won't follow through with the plan if you guys don't want to.
There would be different lists, but only slightly different.
For example. a cop would be useless to mafia, so a role list with cop would be most likely town.
But this is assuming mafia was chosen randomly before and lists were distributed were based on that.
Anyway, I won't follow through with the plan if you guys don't want to.
In my list, there was a specific entry for "Rolecop".
didn't you just say you weren't going to discuss lists in mine there was too I assumed that's the replacement for cop because it fits both town and scum
think then post plz
think then post plz
Vote: Salvage
Nice try, trying to scum your way out of this. You're not getting anywhere and your arguments are baseless. Please quit spewing shit out of your ass.
Nice try, trying to scum your way out of this. You're not getting anywhere and your arguments are baseless. Please quit spewing shit out of your ass.
...What
I understand RVS, but what
I understand RVS, but what
I just got lost with that post @_@
I don't understand what you guys mean by "I got different role then what I chose for". I thought we were suppose to choose a role for someone else?
I don't understand what you guys mean by "I got different role then what I chose for". I thought we were suppose to choose a role for someone else?
Hitter meant the role he received was not in the list of roles he had to pick from for his giftee. He also allegedly believes Two is an idiot and gave every town player the same and ever mafia player the same list.
Wrong. I was suggesting that some roles in the lists may only be available for townies/mafia. Thus we can discern possible mafia from town.Wojjan wrote:
Hitter meant the role he received was not in the list of roles he had to pick from for his giftee. He also allegedly believes Two is an idiot and gave every town player the same and ever mafia player the same list.
But we're apparently not pushing through with I suggested anyway based on the reactions so far.
Thank you and that, I would have to agree, was quite stupid >_>;;
I'm not sure if Two is not a fan of mass claiming (as a host), but I'm bit inclined for a mass claim, because of the anti-mass-claim measurement trend.
I'm not sure if Two is not a fan of mass claiming (as a host), but I'm bit inclined for a mass claim, because of the anti-mass-claim measurement trend.
Well, Two actually does mentions about people receiving different role lists, but that he also said it will be random. Should we believe it or not?Two wrote:
Because there can be role duplicates, the list each player receives may be slightly different, also at random, for balancing reasons.
it's balancing reasons and it's unrelated to whatever faction the player is now can we stop about the role lists and lynch someone
vote foulcoon
vote foulcoon
Sure
Vote: LunaticMara
Vote: LunaticMara
vote: Lilac
also i'm not at home and i just got back (to my other house i mean) i'll post more in a few hours
also i'm not at home and i just got back (to my other house i mean) i'll post more in a few hours
and if someone doesn't see it and ask me "blabla why are u voting Lilac"
read the useless and dumb suggestion NoHitter gave and the only person who agreed (clearly to give Mafia some time with something that wouldn't work) was Lilac.
read the useless and dumb suggestion NoHitter gave and the only person who agreed (clearly to give Mafia some time with something that wouldn't work) was Lilac.
Vote Count:
Jinxyjem - 1 (Chris)
Salvage - 1 (Sync)
foulcoon - 1 (Wojjan)
LunaticMara -1 (bmin11)
Lilac - 1 (Salvage)
cool
Jinxyjem - 1 (Chris)
Salvage - 1 (Sync)
foulcoon - 1 (Wojjan)
LunaticMara -1 (bmin11)
Lilac - 1 (Salvage)
cool
i don't get any of the other posts to be honest
are we doing that rvs crap again? god
are we doing that rvs crap again? god
Because it might be useful later in the game: Who were you asked to choose a role for?
I was asked to choose for JInxyjem.
I was asked to choose for JInxyjem.
Dafydd
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or at least not on day one just lynch someone over something stupid like we always do plz
i can't believe we're sharing that information right now, it's something important that can assure no fakeclaims at all which will help on informative roles
think before posting please
think before posting please
ok Wojjan
Unvote
Vote: Wojjan
Reason: asks for votes to be silly and not taken seriously; clearly mafia
Unvote
Vote: Wojjan
Reason: asks for votes to be silly and not taken seriously; clearly mafia
???
i really want to see what's not the logic part of what's Wojjan saying Sync, seriously cause ur starting to annoy me trying to be agressive without being based on anything
think more times before posting crap pls
i really want to see what's not the logic part of what's Wojjan saying Sync, seriously cause ur starting to annoy me trying to be agressive without being based on anything
think more times before posting crap pls
the one that's sticking on stupid plans is you and not wojjan to be clear, is you being bad or mafia .. so still nothing based on Wojjan's vote
I am not asking for silly votes I am asking you to lynch someone
fact is it'll probably be a mislynch but if we nolynch I modkill myself so you get a flip regardless
my vote is also not random if that's what you mean
fact is it'll probably be a mislynch but if we nolynch I modkill myself so you get a flip regardless
my vote is also not random if that's what you mean
both of my votes have been jokes so far
come on, why would you get angry over it @salvage
come on, why would you get angry over it @salvage
Unvote because you guys are debbie downers
I'm assuming mafia would ask each other what role they picked for who. The town could do the same, but its more useful information for the mafia this early in the game.
Vote: Mashley
Vote: Mashley
Vote: Mara.
Most suspicious out of the people who haven't said anything, meta.
Most suspicious out of the people who haven't said anything, meta.
How is it useful information for mafia? If they wanted to know what roles they picked for people, would they not discuss that in their mafia chat?animask wrote:
I'm assuming mafia would ask each other what role they picked for who. The town could do the same, but its more useful information for the mafia this early in the game.
Vote: Mashley
What's to stop them from trying to get more roles or at least claims of any kind?Mashley wrote:
How is it useful information for mafia? If they wanted to know what roles they picked for people, would they not discuss that in their mafia chat?animask wrote:
I'm assuming mafia would ask each other what role they picked for who. The town could do the same, but its more useful information for the mafia this early in the game.
Vote: Mashley
I think the problem with Mashley we're getting is that it puts us at a disadvantage because mafia would claim the person AND the role they chose in their chat, giving them potential NKs already. Asking that question you said before was detrimental beyond believe to town because it brings more users to the table and how they would link roles to what people might give them and so on.
Those who even answered that so easily are pretty suspicious now for putting the person they chose their role for at risk, IMO.
Those who even answered that so easily are pretty suspicious now for putting the person they chose their role for at risk, IMO.
I'm not even going to talk. I realized how it really put me into danger if who ever I called for was mafia orz
EBW--- whatever-it-is: I'm not even going to talk about it*
Lilac wrote:
Vote: Mara.
Most suspicious out of the people who haven't said anything, meta.
sorry bro
I forgot this game already. I'm fucking tired, so I'll check this at work - if I can, that is.
just saying fast like a shazbot - sync why going so hard
ok im back home
for the record sync, 'that was a joke' playstyle doesnt work with me, either if it was or it wasn't everything counts so try to be reasonable when u play thx.
for the record sync, 'that was a joke' playstyle doesnt work with me, either if it was or it wasn't everything counts so try to be reasonable when u play thx.
I like this lynch. not gonna vote quite yet though until we hear from everyone in the game
I have nothing else to say, but an apology. I can't believe I just made myself a lynch/kill target like that orz
fineSalvage wrote:
ok im back home
for the record sync, 'that was a joke' playstyle doesnt work with me, either if it was or it wasn't everything counts so try to be reasonable when u play thx.
How is bmin any more suspicious than Sync or Mashley?
It's odd that one person got pinpointed out of a possible three, and then even weirder that it wasn't argued against.
Why start agreeing on a lynch based on someone answering a question?
It's odd that one person got pinpointed out of a possible three, and then even weirder that it wasn't argued against.
Why start agreeing on a lynch based on someone answering a question?
They are lynching on our failed logic if I understood correctly, since that itself wouldn't change as a fact.
An only argument I can think of against the lynch against me, is that failed logic doesn't necessarily mean scum tell. This can happen to either alignments. The only problem is, if the logic was intended or not. Mine wasn't and it's their choice to believe in me or not.
An only argument I can think of against the lynch against me, is that failed logic doesn't necessarily mean scum tell. This can happen to either alignments. The only problem is, if the logic was intended or not. Mine wasn't and it's their choice to believe in me or not.
Sync is WIFOM-ish, which I believe that's why they are not as aggressive to lynch for.
Mash and mine are the same level as a reason (provoking disbeneficial tactic). Any farther reasons would just depend on rather people believe it was just solely a mistake, or an intended action in objective to fish information out of townies.
Mash and mine are the same level as a reason (provoking disbeneficial tactic). Any farther reasons would just depend on rather people believe it was just solely a mistake, or an intended action in objective to fish information out of townies.
You'd think the person who actually asked the question would be more of a lynch target than the ones who answered it.
.. or at very least question the other two people as well.
.. or at very least question the other two people as well.
I don't know what they are thinking of Mashley, but I'm taking as they don't believe in me (I have nothing to say on this) for the least.
I just can't see you being a justifiable lynch just for answering a question, that seems backwards to me.
ofcourse, it would be nice if you guys can explain it to us. If you guys don't have a clear answer on this, I'll take you guys as a lyncher, or a mafia looking for a quick lynch, or a townie who just doesn't care who gets lynch over who.
i dont even understand how ur playstyle is based on defending people all the time chris, mashley and sync are suspicious because of the same, the thing that stands out its his poor reaction
his = bmin?
Compared to "I was jk lol"? that Sync tried to pull?Salvage wrote:
i dont even understand how ur playstyle is based on defending people all the time chris, mashley and sync are suspicious because of the same, the thing that stands out its his poor reaction
.. and Mashley just saying "it's not useful for mafia cause they have mafia chat".
At least bmin admitted it was a bad idea, but for some reason admitting fault puts him up for a lynch.
I guess you should of said "jk lol" bmin, maybe people wouldn't be agreeing with your lynch this soon.
I voted for salvage because he always complains about rvs and I thought I would humor myself and then I unvoted him
how could I possibly make it more clear that I was dicking around
I think bmin reacted strangely (so apologetic) but he's not suspicious at all
how could I possibly make it more clear that I was dicking around
I think bmin reacted strangely (so apologetic) but he's not suspicious at all
It was either defend it or forfeit the tactic situation. I have no reason to farther impose on the tactic even myself disagree with.
I didn't really expect town to just agree with Salvage and Wojjan for this lynch. Like, atleast there would be few discussions in between and I thought I would just participate on it. Who knows? People may think I'm not the best lynch target by the end of the discussion. If any town thinks they should just lynch a person without showing a single doubt, that person would be the scummiest person I can think of.
I didn't really expect town to just agree with Salvage and Wojjan for this lynch. Like, atleast there would be few discussions in between and I thought I would just participate on it. Who knows? People may think I'm not the best lynch target by the end of the discussion. If any town thinks they should just lynch a person without showing a single doubt, that person would be the scummiest person I can think of.
that paranoid reaction to a simple vote is what im talking about
..............you mean the opposite.
Fuck, if I would have taken 2 seconds to think about that question I wouldn't of answered it "It might be useful for later in the game" is a lame excuse. I can't believe we (some of us) fell for it
I'm thinking too much of it, but it's pretty suspicious besides the fact.
I'm thinking too much of it, but it's pretty suspicious besides the fact.
also im going on vacations for like 4 days on thursday comming back on monday just throwing that out there
sure let's Vote: Mashley
I read bmin's posts as just showing Korean cultural differences (saying "sorry" all the time and stuff), not scumminessSalvage wrote:
that paranoid reaction to a simple vote is what im talking about
Never thought of that way, but I guess you can take it that way. I don't see how apologizing could ever turn bad. Never had an experience like that before so ya >_>
I would be more comfortable lynching Sync for showing a bit of over reacting and such, but meta on the restaurant mafia calls the opposite hmm.
@Mashley
What was your plan for suggesting us to claim our subjects? I want to hear your thoughts.
I would be more comfortable lynching Sync for showing a bit of over reacting and such, but meta on the restaurant mafia calls the opposite hmm.
@Mashley
What was your plan for suggesting us to claim our subjects? I want to hear your thoughts.
oh and unvote
If Mashley were town, he would still be helping Mafia anyway.
If he wanna save himself, he should talk asap.
If he wanna save himself, he should talk asap.
Topic Starter
Vote Count
Mashley (3): animask, Salvage, Dusty
JInxyjem (1): Chris
foulcoon (1): Wojjan
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
Mashley (3): animask, Salvage, Dusty
JInxyjem (1): Chris
foulcoon (1): Wojjan
LunaticMara (1): Lilac
to be honest i think this is the perfect situation for mafia to lay low, and thus i'd suggest a lynch on one of those instead of Mashley who i wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that without overthinking it (not really needed but whatever)
and i don't want to see who aren't posting since we suggested a Mashley lynch or since it was touched before with bmin's lynch situation too, can someone do it please
and i don't want to see who aren't posting since we suggested a Mashley lynch or since it was touched before with bmin's lynch situation too, can someone do it please
I'm at school so I only have 5 min to read between lessons. The earliest I can post would be in 10 hours. Today is a long day.
really? the only reason I see why someone would want to know their secret santa was so they can fakeclaim after their santa dies, and that wouldn't help a townie any. so that means if Mashley was town he would have to have not thought about his suggestion at all.Salvage wrote:
to be honest i think this is the perfect situation for mafia to lay low, and thus i'd suggest a lynch on one of those instead of Mashley who i wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that without overthinking it (not really needed but whatever)
if someone/Mashley does have an actual reason why you'd want to know your santa, then that's another story and I'll go along with whatever you vote for next.