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PyP Video Game Mafia [MAFIA+SURVIVOR] - Dr. Hitter Escapes!

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pieguyn
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pieguyn
Nah, my claim of bulletproof doesn't do the same thing because paranoid gun owner kills whoever targets it.

The voting history approach works best when someone votes for a mafia. If they vote later, it's more likely they're mafia because mafia members generally won't start a bandwagon on one of their teammates. It really only works on town members if they're one of the first ones (oh hey, I was the first one on DxS). IMO it's also only really useful to confirm suspicions and not to outright start an accusation :? Regardless, tell me where I said these
"You voted halfway for Town, you were trying to ensure his lynch, clearly you're scum"
"You voted late for Town, you were trying to hammer him and end the day, clearly you're scum
I actually didn't. Seems like you were trying to convince people that I said something I didn't (when I referred to FisHie, I said there wasn't anything suspicious about that final vote).
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

pieguy1372 wrote:

Nah, my claim of bulletproof doesn't do the same thing.
...?

pieguy1372 wrote:

Your roleclaim just screams out "hey SK or vigilante don't kill me".
That's exactly the same thing- SK or vigilante would not target someone claimed bulletproof just as they would not target a gun owner. Even if you're pretending not to understand, it's also been implied before, where people grouped the bulletproof claims together (taste, fishie, me, you).

And you missed my point entirely; I was showing you how someone could twist any vote to make it look like the voter was scum.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Except I didn't twist anything. You're acting like my reasoning is invalid because there's a possibility that someone who's not even doing it right can say something that I didn't even say. In other words, I didn't say anything invalid but you're trying to make it seem like I did. And your claim implies a negative action for targeting you (dying) whereas mine implies a neutral one (nothing happening).
pieguyn
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pieguyn
It took you 20 minutes to make your last post and it's been 10 minutes since my last post

and you've been in this forum the whole time

It seems like you're taking too long to make up invalid reasoning against me :P
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
You're still misunderstanding me on so many levels that I'm going to believe it's deliberate and you're scum, just out of respect for your intelligence.

My point was that any of several different rationalizations can appear valid. All you did was pick one that was convenient for you. Your repeated claims of validity do not make your argument any less arbitrary.

I know you understand that a SK wouldn't bother going for negative or neutral when there are so many positive targets, to use your lingo. I just wanted to put that on the record. That is, your claim of bulletproof functions exactly as mine of gun owner. Actually, yours is even less provable than mine- any town targeting me (like fishie was supposed to do) could have verified me while your claim was conveniently unprovable as the cop was dead.

Oh, and I don't regard these forums as some kind of chat service. You're stretching further and further trying to scumpaint me.
pieguyn
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pieguyn

akrolsmir wrote:

My point was that any of several different rationalizations can appear valid. All you did was pick one that was convenient for you. Your repeated claims of validity do not make your argument any less arbitrary.
...ahaha
The things you said were invalid were things I didn't even say. My argument is only invalid if I actually use one of the invalid arguments. The things I did use were valid. You're essentially saying that because that argument has potential to be misused, I misused it, when I really used it validly and not in the way you're making it seem like. I'm not sure how to explain this, but since you're mafia it doesn't matter.

IMO this is picture perfect proof that you're just trying to mislead people now.

I know you understand that a SK wouldn't bother going for negative or neutral when there are so many positive targets, to use your lingo. I just wanted to put that on the record. That is, your claim of bulletproof functions exactly as mine of gun owner. Actually, yours is even less provable than mine- any town targeting me (like fishie was supposed to do) could have verified me while your claim was conveniently unprovable as the cop was dead.
Yours does the same sort of thing (except yours is a lie and mine is valid)

Oh, and I don't regard these forums as some kind of chat service. You're stretching further and further trying to scumpaint me.
And that's only bad if you're town, which you're not~
foulcoon
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foulcoon
okay so one of you is obviously mafia

worst case scenario we mislynch and tomorrow its 1 maf : 3 town right? then we just lynch the other person out of akro/pieguy.

basically i'm getting bored of this game. I think part of it is that its been going on forever. I don't really get why at least night phases haven't been shortened..
akrolsmir
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Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
I don't know how I can make myself even more clear so that you can't continue to pretend to misunderstand. This is what I meant: "There are different ways to interpret voting patterns. All of these appear valid. As a result, you can (and did) pick the one that will be convenient for you to scumpaint me."

Yours does the same sort of thing (except yours is a lie and mine is valid)
You brought up the idea in the first place. I just pointed out that it was hypocritical of you, and now you're trying to frame it so that somehow it's my fault? Not to mention you completely glossed over the second half of my arguments.

At this point I'm not going to bother addressing your statements. Instead, I'll give you credit for being quite good at obfuscating and misinterpreting my points. You're convinced I'm scum and vice versa, and we're not going to convert each other. If somebody besides pieguy would like to weigh in I'd welcome that. Meanwhile, I'm going to sleep.
foulcoon
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foulcoon

foulcoon wrote:

okay so one of you is obviously mafia

worst case scenario we mislynch and tomorrow its 1 maf : 3 town right? then we just lynch the other person out of akro/pieguy.

basically i'm getting bored of this game. I think part of it is that its been going on forever. I don't really get why at least night phases haven't been shortened..
Mara
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Mara
Hi guys, what the fuck is going on here? tldr plz
foulcoon
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foulcoon
tl;dr we generally find that -- you just opened skyrim as i was typing this --

we generally believe that you and bmin are town because of both of your abilities checking out. we're generally unsure about Luna.

akro and pieguy both seem scummy and are fighting each other over who is more scum.

i'm a generally useless person in the game at this point, more or less waiting for it to end.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
i said generally a lot.

/bedtime
Mara
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Mara
I am betting on pieguy, but it's just a bet, 100% guess. What if they are both scum, having a really stupid plan?
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn

akrolsmir wrote:

"There are different ways to interpret voting patterns. All of these appear valid.
this statement is wrong

WRONG

Not all of them are valid. The ones I used, however, were. Your voting patterns fit in with the valid ones. You voted late for mafia and voted early for town, and halfway on the person who was halfway between mafia and town. I never said any other pattern was suspicious. You, on the other hand, tried to make it seem like I did (in other words, tried to mislead people)


You brought up the idea in the first place. I just pointed out that it was hypocritical of you, and now you're trying to frame it so that somehow it's my fault? Not to mention you completely glossed over the second half of my arguments.
Yours is worse than mine in the first place though. Also, I never said that it was your fault. Again with you trying to make it seem like I said something I didn't really say (misleading people)? Also, mine is provable by having a vigilante kill me.

At this point I'm not going to bother addressing your statements
read: "whenever I try to convince people you're mafia you tear through all my invalid arguments and thus make it even more obvious I'm mafia, so I'll just stop here~"
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
If anyone thinks one of pieguy's above points is worth addressing, quote it and I'll respond.

Meanwhile:
akrolsmir- voting pieguy
pieguy- voting akrolsmir
bmin- gut says pieguy?
LunaticMara- gut says pieguy?
foulcoon- doesn't care...
Luna- ???

Luna, it's been a couple days since you last weighed in, what do you think?
Or anyone else- there's been a general lack of activity in here.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
loooooooool

To anyone who votes: please read the whole thread again before picking who to vote, especially this last part where akrolsmir blatantly tried to mislead everyone, and now is just trying to discredit me entirely now that I've reduced the issue in such a way that it's impossible for him to argue against it anymore.
bmin11
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bmin11
cross mine by the way. I'm neutral at the moment. I might as well look into pieguy's posts as well. Why don't you do this too, akro?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
pieguy1372 (1) - akrolsmir
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (4) - Luna, bmin11, foulcoon, LunaticMara
akrolsmir
606 posts
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akrolsmir
To anyone who votes: please understand that I'm not particularly interested in continuing to debate with scum, because it's not really getting us anywhere as you can see. Again, if you believe one of his points merits a response, than say so. But hopefully it's already obvious how they're all misguided or incorrect.

@bmin- Looking through his history, what stands out most was day 1, where he distanced himself from adam and wojjan by Fossing them, but then voted for DxS based on "gut". I know he uses his gut every game, but that just seems like a cop out from taking responsibility and a way to lynch without adequate explanation. And it's common for mafia to attack each other verbally with FoS/HoS, but refrain from actually voting each other.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
vote: pieguy
NoHitter
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NoHitter
VOTE COUNT:
pieguy1372 (2) - akrolsmir, foulcoon
akrolsmir (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (3) - Luna, bmin11, LunaticMara
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Dr. Hitter had a bad feeling in the gut of his stomach.
When pieguy1372 was selected to be lynched, Dr. Hitter was very uneasy.
The night would tell if his uneasiness was right...

pieguy1372 has been lynched.

DEADLINE IS IN 24 HOURS!
(Happy now foulcoon?)
NoHitter
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Dr. Hitter knew all was lost.
He had checked pieguy1372's records and he knew that pieguy1372 was a Bulletproof Townie.
It was all lost now.
pieguy1372 - Touhou 6: Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - Danmaku Dodger - One-Shot Bulletproof - Lynched Day 6

He grabbed his machine, took aim at the wall, and fired.
A small wormhole emerged, and Dr. Hitter entered it...
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On the other side on the facility, what was once the room of bmin11 was now a giant crater.
akrolsmir smiled as he finished his job. The nuke he brought was small enough to not blow up the entire countryside, but big enough for a room.
Of course, he had known from before that bmin11 could manipulate time.
bmin11 - Braid - Time Manipulator - Time Reverser - Killed Night 6
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foulcoon woke up in a mysterious place.
It was very dark and foggy. He had trouble recalling what had happened.
He sat down and meditated. Then suddenly he remembered.

It was LunaticMara. LunaticMara shoved him through a television, and he ended up here.
But how did he do it? Only LadySuburuhad that power...
As foulcoonrealized this, the fog cleared.
foulcoon - EarthBound - PSI Healer - Limited Doctor - Killed Night 6
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Luna was quiet. He had wished that he hadn't throw away his gun.
Now that he thought about it, it wasn't even him who threw away the gun. It was some other "self".

From his room, he heard a large explosion coming from the hallway.
He didn't want to go outside, but he had to.

He opened the door and glanced left and right.
akrolsmir was heading towards him from his right, carrying multiple futuristic weapons.
LunaticMara was heading towards him from his left, carrying a shotgun.

Lunafinally realized that the Mafia had won.
He opened his window and jumped.
Luna - 50 Cent: Bulletproof - Avenging Gunman - Vigilante - Endgamed
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"So... How do we split up this world?"
"Well originally we were going to split it in five, but I guess we could half it as we're the only two left."

"So I'll drain my half of its resources, and you turn the other half into a nuclear wasteland?"
"Pretty much."

Both LunaticMara and akrolsmir laughed as they exited the facility.
LunaticMara - MDK - Mineral Harvester - Mafia Absorber - Survived
akrolsmir - Fallout - Post-Apocalyptic Nuclear Bomber - Mafia One-Shot Strongman - Survived
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Lybydose watched from above as all of this happened.
He had been promoted to an Angel, but he still left the need to check on his old home.

He shifted his view to aparallel universe.
He found Dr. Hitter in a world where everyone plays a PC game where one has to click objects matching to a certain music.

At least Dr. Hitter was enjoying himself.
(Oh and the Night actually ended early! Less than 24 hours!)
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MAFIA HAVE WON!!!
NoHitter
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Mara
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Mara
GG
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Oh well.

GG.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
It was so goddamn lucky for us when fishie chose not to hide behind me- though Mara might have been able to win on his own anyways.

I wanted to apologize to LS for backstabbing him, but you know...
Chris_old
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Chris_old
foulcoon is the new kiddo
Lybydose
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Lybydose
Well the most anti-town town players were certainly Rolled and fishie. foulcoon just sealed it at the end
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I saw this coming a mile away. :U
Rantai
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Rantai
D:

GG
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Not acting to lynch LS instantly D2 was probably the most cowardly move I could have done...

...Still hate myself for it.
Salvage
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Salvage

Chris wrote:

foulcoon is the new kiddo


lmao.




if it wasn't for rolled .. i tracked LunaticMara N1 and got he targeted LS :( .. damn u rolled
Mara
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Mara
And yes, I forgot this.



FOR THE NEW WORLD!
Wojjan
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Wojjan
We just won a game where a jester faked a guilty on a mafia, along with an actual cop guilty.

fuckin wow.
Rantai
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Rantai
:<
adam2046
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adam2046
Conditional Saulus will be protown if all Mafia alive will vote for him.
Well I'm glad I know that, thanks for telling me my role clearly in my role PM.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
lmfao why shit talk me guys? this game had been going on for MONTHS and I was bored with it.

-- stop reading here if you don't want to read me bitching --

This game was so obviously mafia stacked its not even funny. First of all having the lynched peoples roles flip fucked me (the doctor) hardcore. I could have easily kept a few people alive had I known what the fuck was going on. Second: really? You made a role that was Janitor, SK, and coroner? Was he really also one shot bulletproof? So we have lynched persons not flipping until next day, mafia kill, and one kill that turns up as ????????. Last but not least, there were 8 non town roles in a game of 19. Typically there is a ratio of 4 town : 1 scum. This game had a ratio of 11 town : 5 scum, with a bunch of other assholes doing their own thing.


tl;dr - this game was stacked in favor of the mafia from the beginning, and I was already bored after 2 months of inactive play and the longest day and night phases of all time.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Foulcoon: Actually, that role was janitor, SK, coroner, 1-shot BP, AND lynchee.


..I agree with you on that statement, though. That's just bullshit.---------------
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Two_old
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Two_old
I only came in with the intention of giving you guys the tools you needed to win, then leaving~
Salvage
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Salvage
seems like i was right of 100% of the things after all, hm okay.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Eh, you didn't really help. Plus the fact that I was already dead when you popped up. I already knew we lost when that happened.
Two_old
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Two_old
you're right, I didn't help at all
Rantai
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Rantai
By lynching me.

You ass.
Salvage
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Salvage
i did actually help, you investigated one of the guys i said was mafia, and besides that i "didn't help" cause nobody listened to me so.. yeah.


read my list half the game gone, 100% right.


100% .. you mortals.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Oh son of a

I was thinking LunaticMara was a mafia absorber, but akrolsmir was so much more obvious. Speaking of him, you absolute morons. >_< His logic was logically fallacious and that's all there is to it. There's nothing about that that could possibly be valid. It's just logically incorrect. There was literally no reason to vote for me over him after he pulled that half-assed stunt. It's quite obvious that no one actually read it carefully, because if they did they would have figured that out.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Pieguy: That's the average thinker these days. Logic means virtually nothing on the internet.

Salvage: It doesn't matter if you're 100% right about something. What really matters is your vote.
Salvage
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Salvage
it does matter actually, but okay.
bmin11
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bmin11
"Mafia Absorber"
You gotta be fucking kidding me ._. They can just kill off whoever they want and absorb our ability. That's just too much I think. And no in an Earth I would have thought there would be 5 mafias when we had a SK and a Jestor with us. I'm lost for words.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

I wanted to apologize to LS for backstabbing him, but you know...

Well, if I was actually able to go through with the plan, and Mara hadn't lied about fishie, we could've joint won.

Unfortunately... we couldn't have joint won, since my role didn't allow for that under my win condition. I was planning on getting to the point where it would joint-win anyway, regardless.
adam2046
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Lybydose wrote:

there is ZERO chance adam knew who else was in the mafia, therefore, he didn't have access to scum chat. You can't conclude anything based on who he protects or who protects him. This isn't me claiming mafia and saying this because "I know it's true", this is me stating that in the interests of game balance, you CANNOT give a town player (or "converted to town later" player) the scum list.
lol
Lybydose
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adam2046 wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

there is ZERO chance adam knew who else was in the mafia, therefore, he didn't have access to scum chat. You can't conclude anything based on who he protects or who protects him. This isn't me claiming mafia and saying this because "I know it's true", this is me stating that in the interests of game balance, you CANNOT give a town player (or "converted to town later" player) the scum list.
lol
Host's fault for making a dumb role then.

You converting town after having known who was in the mafia is completely stupid and game breaking, regardless of what restrictions you try to place on it.
adam2046
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adam2046
If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't have told everyone anyway.
NoHitter
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I disagree with that heavily foulcoon.
Town had a Cop, Tracker+Watcher, Doctor that could have a 50% to protect everyone in a single Night if he wanted to, a Vig, two roles that you can avoid death and someone who could reverse the time back one day to avoid quick hammers.

Plus one of the Mafia could turn the entire game if he wanted too by getting lynched by his fellow members.
The SK had a Lyncher who could literally one vote lynch him.
Hell even the SK himself could go around and kill Mafia if he wanted too.

What ruined this game was the town's massclaim.
Basically you gave the Mafia Absorber (my anti-massclaim mechanic) a free buffet of powers to choose from.

Edit:
I tested the game balance lots of times by running through what if situations.
And besides, town COULD have won it.
I mean with two investigative, three protective, one killing role?
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Swiftwolf Yellowtail

NoHItter wrote:

a Vig,
That only kills mafia, which is good and bad. In this case, bad, because it was simply a town kill, causing him to get cut off and stop shooting.
NoHitter
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11:5:4 is a bad ratio for town, but considering that everyone was a power role, there was a SK, one mafia could turn the tables, I think it was balanced enough.
adam2046
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NoHItter wrote:

Plus one of the Mafia could turn the entire game if he wanted too by getting lynched by his fellow members.
:|
NoHitter
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You do know adam that I was planning to give you small bits of info as the game progressed?
That "You regret joining the mafia" was only the first hint.
I did this to avoid any sudden game tempo changes.
KRZY
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KRZY
I had forgotten I was in this game

gg
tastelikecoke
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tastelikecoke
Oh my god guys, I'm so proud of everyone!~

Well, NoHItter did the massclaim counter well, but I'm not much of a hard-working person to analyze about it. I believe town had almost done a great job. But Mara didn't even make an effort to look non-scummy. Confirmation of town just arrived to him and the game rolled through the SK/Mafia's plan.
Anyway, I think PyP is kind of a game that can become curb-stomp battle with just one careless action. But Nohitter did a pyp where everyone had a nice power, which is neat.

That said, I'm not acquainted with mass role claims. They scare me now. It made us win though, weird.

p.s. I wish this forum had a larger post per page.
Luna
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Sorry for being completely useless after all, I unexpectedly lost access to my computer for slightly more than two weeks.
But it probably wouldn't have changed anything, I really didn't suspect Mara at all.

Just wanted to apologize for taking up space and doing a whole bunch of nothing >_<

/E: I didn't read through everything yet, just going by info from the start-post
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