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Sakura
Obligatory No Lynch RVS
Vote: No Lynch
Royston
It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel

vote: Rantai
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.1

OnosakiHito (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
Rantai (2) - NoHItter, Royston
CalignoBot (1) - DakeDekaane
NoHItter (1) - Nyquill
Royston (1) - Quotes
Jinxy (1) - Irreversible
No Lynch (1) - Sakura

Not voting - Jinxy, OnosakiHito, Rantai

Deadline is in 146:21.
Rantai
Bring it on Royston.

I'll beat your ass to negative numbers.

:D
Rantai
You too NH.
DakeDekaane
Unvote
Vote: Rantai


How about me?
Rantai
3 v 1 I see how it is.
Quotes_old
Unvote
Vote: Rantai

Rantai, why are you so afraid of being the informed minority?
Rantai
What?

I sincerely hope you aren't taking that seriously.
Rantai
Also 4 v 1 now we're just breaking the rules ;____;
Royston
unvote
vote: Quotes


die scumpartner !
Sakura
Unvote
Vote: Roystone


Voting the conf.town?
Quotes_old

Royston wrote:

unvote
vote: Quotes


die scumpartner !
I lol'd

I'm publicly confirmed town by the way.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Quotes (Suga Kyoutarou) wins with town.
POOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUR SOOOOOOOOOOOOOME SUGA ON MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Raging Bull
That bandwagon on Rantai.

What did you want to achieve with that DD?
Amianki
Unvote: OnosakiHito
Vote: Rantai

Let's make this happen.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.2

Rantai (4) - NoHItter, DakeDekaane, Quotes, CalignoBot
OnosakiHito (1) - Raging Bull
NoHItter (1) - Nyquill
Jinxy (1) - Irreversible
Quotes (1) - Royston
Royston (1) - Sakura

Not voting - Jinxy, OnosakiHito, Rantai

Deadline is in 133:10.
Nyquill
unvote

Vote: Royston

Easiest day 1 ever.
OnosakiHito
Vote: Irreversible
DakeDekaane

Raging Bull wrote:

What did you want to achieve with that DD?
People asking questions like this one.
Amianki
BTW Rantai is a legitimate scumread of mine.

Just noticed that my vote didn't make that clear at all.
Nyquill

CalignoBot wrote:

BTW Rantai is a legitimate scumread of mine.

Just noticed that my vote didn't make that clear at all.
Care to elaborate?
Rantai
Apparently a little RP is a scumread.
Raging Bull

DakeDekaane wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

What did you want to achieve with that DD?
People asking questions like this one.

I assume you wanted a reaction test. Well you got one, what is your follow up action? Or did you not even plan it through at all?
Amianki

Rantai wrote:

Apparently a little RP is a scumread.
This is a pretty solid hint as to why.
DakeDekaane

Raging Bull wrote:

I assume you wanted a reaction test. Well you got one, what is your follow up action? Or did you not even plan it through at all?
I rarely make a plan, as other people often screw it up making some other stuff that I don't expect, so I lure one fish and focus on it while watching the others and so.

RB looks town.
Rantai
Confirmed stupid, okay. Ignoring all of Caligno's posts until further notice (or something worthwhile is said).

I had a nice paragraph ready but I feel that it's a little too mean to convey what 2 sentences can do. Getting tired of people who play like this.
Rantai
Actually just to spite you I'm just going to try rp for as long as I can keep it up.
Amianki
Okay, I'll start spilling:

Your response to this whole bandwagon thing is the same style as mine when this happens to me as scum, right down to your responses when you started getting real pressure.
Royston

Sakura wrote:

vote: Roystone
:D
but srsly I'm town again you've gotta believe me :(

Sakura wrote:

Voting the conf.town?
no is not true

Quotes wrote:

Hi it's me, the obvscum
@Caligno: could you link to a game or something where you acted like this as scum?
Amianki
I didn't get my point across very well.

It's not something that linking to my own game would really prove or disprove. It's the general thought process behind what is said rather than the words itself.
NoHitter
This game feels really inactive... (I mean some people haven't even posted after confirmation)

Not sure what to think of the reasoning of Caligno's vote. Seems like it was a bit straw-graspy.
Also Rantai's reaction seems pretty defensive for an early game vote.

Unvote
RVS is over.
Jinxy
I am in fact here and reading, just saying

I wasn't thinking much of Rantai's posts, but his sudden defensiveness/aggression in the last 2 posts are catching my attention.

That's all I've really seen so far, other than Royston fooling around.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.3

Rantai (3) - DakeDekaane, Quotes, CalignoBot
Royston (2) - Sakura, Nyquill
OnosakiHito (1) - Raging Bull
Jinxy (1) - Irreversible
Quotes (1) - Royston
Irrreversible (1) - OnosakiHito

Not voting - Jinxy, Rantai

Deadline is in 110:33.
Rantai
As she drew the first tile, she already knew something was amiss. Why they assigned 5 people at this table was beyond her. The tournament is young however, so she played along, brushing it off as nothing more than a joke.

Though, looking back at tournaments past she always noticed a certain playstyle that irked her greatly and although she may have mentioned her frustrations, it would seem that it had fallen on deaf ears. This tournament was no exception. It was abundantly clear that keeping quiet and accepting it would not relieve the frustration so she took it upon herself to be heard and make a statement.

Perhaps guiding them back to games of the past will refresh their memories.

Oh my god, respect for anybody who had post restriction requiring this. Mine is crappy RP but still a pain in the ass.
DakeDekaane
And Royston is still voting a confirmed town. Silly scum.
Sakura

DakeDekaane wrote:

And Royston is still voting a confirmed town. Silly scum.
Yet your vote is on Rantai.
Royston
unvote
Raging Bull
Rantai is confirmed town?
Royston
Unless the mod's lying, yeah.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Quotes (Suga Kyoutarou) wins with town.
Royston
Oh, misred that. But Quotes is the only comfirmed town currently
Rantai
While casually observing the player's discards she noticed that no one in the first round was taking the game seriously. Prior to the match a player with a "dark complexion" was announced to be the confirmed winner of last year's tournament. She assumed this player was something of a professional, cool and collected. Yet sitting across from her, this self same person was telling sarcastic jokes and even once admitted to cheating a hand with the Aussie to his right.

While she was not overly affected by this escapade, this laid back Aussie (as they usually are) played along with him, even mirroring his story. Unsurprisingly this drew the ire of the others; accusing him of cheating and questioning his integrity. She could only really shake her head and comment that these two are clearly fooling around and him admitting to cheating with someone who was definitely found to not have cheated was nothing more than a silly ruse.
Raging Bull
asdasd I misread that too as in I thought people were voting rantai who was conf town.
Raging Bull
Well actually judging how Sakura worded it, how is Rantai conf town to you Sakura?
Sakura

Raging Bull wrote:

Well actually judging how Sakura worded it, how is Rantai conf town to you Sakura?
He isnt? In fact I'm debating who to vote between him and DD.
Sakura
If you mean this:

Sakura wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

And Royston is still voting a confirmed town. Silly scum.
Yet your vote is on Rantai.
DD is calling Royston scum for having his vote on the Innocent Child, yet DD is voting Rantai instead of Royston.
Raging Bull
Oh okay I understand now. Although I think Rantai would be town too. I don't really see mafia getting post restrictions.

@DD, why didn't you vote for Royston then?
Sakura
He isn't

Rantai wrote:

Actually just to spite you I'm just going to try rp for as long as I can keep it up.
He is rp'ing on purpose.
Raging Bull
man screw this I need to read more.


@ Rantai, are you really just RPing because of CalingoBot? That really doesn't sound like how you play even if someone usually gets you mad.

@ Calingo, you can't really say that just because Rantai has same style like you as scum that Rantai is scum. You also can't seem to back it up with anything since you even said we cannot prove or disprove it.

@Mod prod all inactives
DakeDekaane

Raging Bull wrote:

@DD, why didn't you vote for Royston then?
Because reading Rantai gives me a headache.

It's true that scum doesn't read, but knowing Royston idk what to think :p
Jinxy
Well, I thought Royston knowingly voted Quotes as a dumb joke, but if it turns out he did it because he didn't even read it probably, then Vote: Royston
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Irreversible, NoHItter, Nyquill, OnosakiHito, Quotes, CalignoBot have been prodded

Votecount 1.4

Rantai (3) - DakeDekaane, Quotes, CalignoBot
Royston (3) - Sakura, Nyquill, Jinxy
OnosakiHito (1) - Raging Bull
Jinxy (1) - Irreversible
Quotes (1) - Royston
Irrreversible (1) - OnosakiHito

Not voting - Rantai, Royston

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in 77:18.
Nyquill
I think rantai is almost reinforcing calignobot's case against him behaving like scum like when clignobot does by RPing on purpose.

I'm still leaving it at royston for today though.

By the way, I'm writing literally all my midterms in the coming days so I will likely be inactive or near inactive.
Amianki

Raging Bull wrote:

@ Calingo, you can't really say that just because Rantai has same style like you as scum that Rantai is scum.
Why exactly can't I do this?

Raging Bull wrote:

You also can't seem to back it up with anything since you even said we cannot prove or disprove it.
That doesn't invalidate the reason for using it in the first place.
NoHitter
@Dake
If Royston is a genuine scumread, then why vote Rantai over Royston for something trivial as "his posts are hard to read."

Also Rantai please stop. I had to reread your paragraphs thrice to understand it.
Sakura
Or we could flashlynch Rantai for having his awkward way of writing that's making him difficult to understand... AND HE'S DOING IT ON PURPOSE! (I still dont get what he's saying)
DakeDekaane
If I'm not voting Royston is because he often act dumb (dunno if purposely or not) as town, I haven't seen it as scum though.
Sakura
Your previous post seemed to imply you thought he was scum, and your latest post seems that you think he's town, so which one is it
DakeDekaane
The "Silly scum" part was merely a joke, Royston would have my vote if I had a scumread on him.
Royston

Jinxy wrote:

Well, I thought Royston knowingly voted Quotes as a dumb joke, but if it turns out he did it because he didn't even read it probably, then Vote: Royston
uhm yeah, I did vote him as a dumb joke. I thought it was fairly obvious
Jinxy

Royston wrote:

Unless the mod's lying, yeah.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Quotes (Suga Kyoutarou) wins with town.

Royston wrote:

Oh, misred that. But Quotes is the only comfirmed town currently
So you're telling me you read that Quotes was town, then somehow misread the exact same line into "Rantai was town"?
Royston
yeah I confused Rantai with Quotes
OnosakiHito
Somehow Sakura likes to push things forward.
Maybe too pushy for the beginning hmmmmm? Some plan ahead?
Amianki
Nah, that's a Sakura-tell.
OnosakiHito
Is that so? How comes you defend her?
Amianki
A more relevant question would be why you're getting on Sakura's case for being pushy but not on mine.
OnosakiHito
Because I didn't understand your posts yet. lol
Rantai

Raging Bull wrote:

@ Rantai, are you really just RPing because of CalingoBot? That really doesn't sound like how you play even if someone usually gets you mad.
Breaking it temporarily to answer this: I am making a point this time, to show people just how terrible those types of suspicions are. They're almost universally a waste of time based on entirely subjective based opinion that is basically un-arguable. Maybe it makes them feel better because they have some sort of hidden list of meta they can throw out at people but it simply annoys me because it gets in the way of logical play. That and it's almost always wrong (outside the lucky guesses). This doesn't only apply to Caligno, it's a blanket statement to everyone who thinks their hidden reads are mega awesome and useful.

Also most of my previous games shouldn't apply here because I can purposely change my playstyle on the fly. Hence why I don't like meta in the first place.
Amianki
You failed the reaction test. That's where a significant amount of the suspicion is coming from.
Amianki
In case anyone was wondering, my reasoning before was the cause and not the result of the reaction test.
Rantai
Breaking again: So basically you're going to try and use a "reaction test" result on someone who was already at the edge for that type of play (ie baseless crap). You'd be a terrible researcher with that amount of bias. It's like me whacking a brick wall until breaking point, bringing someone over and shattering it with the final blow and saying "Brick walls are not structurally integral!"

She rolls her eyes as she watches each nonsensical discard be played.

"I wonder what they're trying to achieve," she ponders.
Rantai
Oh yeah for that reason, I always am doubtful about reaction tests (bias - and this is for both the inherent test and the intepretation). I'm constantly questioning Sakura's play because hers are almost as appalling.
Irreversible
I'll try to catch things up, my post will come in a few hours for sure, sorry for inactiity
Raging Bull
@Rantai well it's true you can change your gameplay on the fly, but so far I haven't even seen you ever do it at all. I just thought it's rather weird that you have to try it this time and out of nowhere all because of CalingoBot
Sakura
Damn Irre that avatar makes me think you're Andrea
Quotes_old
Rantai you are not "proving why these suspicions are silly," you are purposely being anti-town and incredibly annoying to read. You are functionally active lurking and I very much like where my vote is as a result.
Rantai
Um, you might want to read that again as to why they are silly, there's a line of explanation if you have the functionality to understand it (to sum it up: they basically take an action or post which usually indicates nothing and try to make a read off it). Let's go as far as this example of "RPing is a scumtell!" - anyone of any alignment can RP during an RVS and it's absolutely grabbing at straws if you think you can draw meaningful conclusions from it.

Let's make another example: I'm a terrorist and I like to dance - those kids over there like to dance too, therefore those kids are terrorists. Meaningful.

In the end though I'm assuming you actually agree with those types of plays so I think I'm wasting my breath here. I wonder if you actually believe I am scum or simply just don't like my opinion on the matter. I'll give you that the obtuse writing (RP stuff) is annoying as hell for both parties, but if you're basing a scum read off that, damn. If only every mafia were so obvious (bracing for the claws on that statement but I had to say it).

I think I've basically said all I've wanted on this topic.

@RB - There's a first time for everything. I'd call it less weird here as more I'm simply not holding back my opinion now (not sure if it got through but one of my rp posts basically said I've been bottling it up over several games). If that paints a giant target on my back then so be it.
Sakura
Not gonna bother to highlight the spoilers
Unvote
Vote: Rantai


You're making it more difficult for town to understand you, ergo you're not helping town.
Rantai
So you have basically nothing on me then?

A spoiler box barely changes anything. The words are there; dragging a mouse probably uses the energy of a grain of rice.
Rantai
Eh forgot to spoiler*

Probably going to drop the rp though - I can't keep that up.
Sakura
See, that's better
Unvote
Vote: Royston
Amianki
What did rantai say? I can't highlight on my phone.
Raging Bull

Rantai wrote:

Um, you might want to read that again as to why they are silly, there's a line of explanation if you have the functionality to understand it (to sum it up: they basically take an action or post which usually indicates nothing and try to make a read off it). Let's go as far as this example of "RPing is a scumtell!" - anyone of any alignment can RP during an RVS and it's absolutely grabbing at straws if you think you can draw meaningful conclusions from it.

Let's make another example: I'm a terrorist and I like to dance - those kids over there like to dance too, therefore those kids are terrorists. Meaningful.

In the end though I'm assuming you actually agree with those types of plays so I think I'm wasting my breath here. I wonder if you actually believe I am scum or simply just don't like my opinion on the matter. I'll give you that the obtuse writing (RP stuff) is annoying as hell for both parties, but if you're basing a scum read off that, damn. If only every mafia were so obvious (bracing for the claws on that statement but I had to say it).

I think I've basically said all I've wanted on this topic.

@RB - There's a first time for everything. I'd call it less weird here as more I'm simply not holding back my opinion now (not sure if it got through but one of my rp posts basically said I've been bottling it up over several games). If that paints a giant target on my back then so be it.
Raging Bull

Rantai wrote:

Um, you might want to read that again as to why they are silly, there's a line of explanation if you have the functionality to understand it (to sum it up: they basically take an action or post which usually indicates nothing and try to make a read off it). Let's go as far as this example of "RPing is a scumtell!" - anyone of any alignment can RP during an RVS and it's absolutely grabbing at straws if you think you can draw meaningful conclusions from it.

Let's make another example: I'm a terrorist and I like to dance - those kids over there like to dance too, therefore those kids are terrorists. Meaningful.

In the end though I'm assuming you actually agree with those types of plays so I think I'm wasting my breath here. I wonder if you actually believe I am scum or simply just don't like my opinion on the matter. I'll give you that the obtuse writing (RP stuff) is annoying as hell for both parties, but if you're basing a scum read off that, damn. If only every mafia were so obvious (bracing for the claws on that statement but I had to say it).

I think I've basically said all I've wanted on this topic.

@RB - There's a first time for everything. I'd call it less weird here as more I'm simply not holding back my opinion now (not sure if it got through but one of my rp posts basically said I've been bottling it up over several games). If that paints a giant target on my back then so be it.

forgot to unspoiler it.
Sakura
^
lol
Amianki
Rantai:

CalignoBot wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Apparently a little RP is a scumread.
This is a pretty solid hint as to why.
If this is where you got the RPing thing from, then know that I was talking less about the actual words and more about the intent behind it.
Rantai
Then you made that extremely ambiguous. What intent anyway?
Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.5

Rantai (3) - DakeDekaane, Quotes, CalignoBot
Royston (3) - Sakura, Nyquill, Jinxy
OnosakiHito (1) - Raging Bull
Jinxy (1) - Irreversible
Quotes (1) - Royston
Irrreversible (1) - OnosakiHito

Not voting - Rantai, Royston

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in 44:59.
NoHitter
Alright, let's try this. There are pretty much two main wagons as of now: Rantai's and Royston's.
I don't think Rantai's actions are indicative to scum. I feel his frustration is genuine, though a bit overdone. Null tell for Rantai.

Royston's actions, i.e. voting for Quotes was fine, but there's something about his excuse which bothers me. He said that he voted Quotes as a joke, implying he knew he was confirmed town, but said later that he was "misreading" it into Rantai - saying he thought Rantai was confirmed town. Which makes his earlier justification of voting Quotes a contradiction.

Vote: Royston

And for all of you still RVS voting, please stop already. We're out of RVS.
Amianki

Rantai wrote:

Then you made that extremely ambiguous. What intent anyway?
Yeah, thought I made that clear earlier but apparently I didn't.

The initial post about my vote on you not being random was true, but I was hoping you'd do something that was easy to read. Instead of trying to figure out what I was seeing, you immediately knee jerked and assumed my reason, then tried to discredit it. Then when further pressured, you didn't really do much of anything but try to discredit it further.
Royston
Huh? You realise I misred RB's post earlier and thought he asked why Quotes was confirmed town. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about Rantai being town
NoHitter
Unvote
Nevermind. I thought you meant you misread the mod's confirmation, not RB's question.

Will reread in a bit.
Rantai
Which post did you try to clear it up?

Feels like to let it just run for whatever reason instead of clarifying (well, depends on where you tried to clear it up obviously).
Jinxy
Honestly, I think I'm going to ask for Replacement. I'm just not feeling the drive to actually play and finely comb though a mafia game right now. Rather pass this slot to someone else than be a liability to town.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
searching for replacement for Jinxy

Votecount 1.6

Rantai (3) - DakeDekaane, Quotes, CalignoBot
Royston (3) - Sakura, Nyquill, Jinxy
OnosakiHito (1) - Raging Bull
Jinxy (1) - Irreversible
Quotes (1) - Royston
Irrreversible (1) - OnosakiHito

Not voting - NoHItter, Rantai

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in 35:54.
Quotes_old
Unvote
Vote: NoHitter


I like this more.
OnosakiHito
NoHitter is pretty calm for what is going on here.
Though, he has experience.
DakeDekaane
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot


Quotes, why NH?
Quotes_old

NoHitter wrote:

This game feels really inactive... (I mean some people haven't even posted after confirmation)

Not sure what to think of the reasoning of Caligno's vote. Seems like it was a bit straw-graspy.
Also Rantai's reaction seems pretty defensive for an early game vote.

Unvote
RVS is over.
Adds nothing, straw-graspy. Does nothing to help town.

NoHitter wrote:

Alright, let's try this. There are pretty much two main wagons as of now: Rantai's and Royston's.
I don't think Rantai's actions are indicative to scum. I feel his frustration is genuine, though a bit overdone. Null tell for Rantai.

Royston's actions, i.e. voting for Quotes was fine, but there's something about his excuse which bothers me. He said that he voted Quotes as a joke, implying he knew he was confirmed town, but said later that he was "misreading" it into Rantai - saying he thought Rantai was confirmed town. Which makes his earlier justification of voting Quotes a contradiction.

Vote: Royston

And for all of you still RVS voting, please stop already. We're out of RVS.
Comes after his post asking dake why he was voting for rantai instead of royston without putting his vote where his mouth is.

Immediately unvotes Royston after a quick explanation on why he voted why he did.
Raging Bull
unvote


One can say the same about you, but you are confirmed :o

Maybe the convincing worked little too well for NH but I really think he didn't notice it well. I mean hell I misread a few times on this thread already.


Also

Irreversible wrote:

I'll try to catch things up, my post will come in a few hours for sure, sorry for inactiity
NoHitter

Quotes wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

This game feels really inactive... (I mean some people haven't even posted after confirmation)

Not sure what to think of the reasoning of Caligno's vote. Seems like it was a bit straw-graspy.
Also Rantai's reaction seems pretty defensive for an early game vote.

Unvote
RVS is over.
Adds nothing, straw-graspy. Does nothing to help town.
It's called saying your thoughts. How is giving your opinion not helping town?
And how was it straw-graspy?

Quotes wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

Alright, let's try this. There are pretty much two main wagons as of now: Rantai's and Royston's.
I don't think Rantai's actions are indicative to scum. I feel his frustration is genuine, though a bit overdone. Null tell for Rantai.

Royston's actions, i.e. voting for Quotes was fine, but there's something about his excuse which bothers me. He said that he voted Quotes as a joke, implying he knew he was confirmed town, but said later that he was "misreading" it into Rantai - saying he thought Rantai was confirmed town. Which makes his earlier justification of voting Quotes a contradiction.

Vote: Royston

And for all of you still RVS voting, please stop already. We're out of RVS.
Comes after his post asking dake why he was voting for rantai instead of royston without putting his vote where his mouth is.

Immediately unvotes Royston after a quick explanation on why he voted why he did.
Dake's explanation seemed genuine to me, so I didn't pursue him further along that line, and I did explain why I voted Royston (albeit I failed at reading at that point)
I voted Royston on something that I misread. Or do you consider not unvoting better play?
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