16:57 Electoz: what inspired you into mapping?
16:58 Aximes: My very first map was a death Metal Song. I wanted to make beatmaps for songs I like. I noticed then, that it has multiple BPM and dropped it, but mapping was fun so I kept it on.
16:59 Aximes: Found then some Dubstep & Electrosongs that would be funny to map and so I just started I guess
16:59 Electoz: so
16:59 Electoz: according to your map description
16:59 Aximes: Have seen Pishi and a Mo's Videos, talked to alot of modders etc.
16:59 Electoz: this is an Insane, yes?
17:00 Electoz: oh
17:00 Electoz: who have you talked so far
17:00 Aximes: A lot of Modders in Modhelp but tbh these are 80% Cancer. :D 2 "bigger" modder were Dragoncreeper and Zetera
17:01 Aximes: And yes, this was supposed to be an Insane but SR ducked up somehow. xD
17:01 Aximes: Was aiming for like 4.7* or something like this.
17:02 Aximes: Had to scale everything up, just it became 3.9* and not 3.2* what would be ridiculous because no 3* Player can read this. :D
17:02 Electoz: lmao
17:02 Electoz: ok so
17:02 Electoz: what impression do you have with your map so far
17:02 Electoz: in this current state
17:02 Aximes: Sorry for broken english btw. :x
17:02 Electoz: oh I don't mind
17:03 Aximes: Okay. c:
17:03 Electoz: so, I just asked you a question lol
17:03 Electoz: (what impression do you have with your map so far)
17:04 Electoz: (in this current state)
17:04 Aximes: Impression... Good question... I just started this Song because I thought it was funny to map. Noticed then the "Drop" Part (see kiai) and yeah... it was funny to map and its more technical than I aimed for.
17:04 Aximes: But so far this is my best Map tbh. :D
17:05 Aximes: Its awkward to read sometimes, but fun to play.
17:05 Electoz: haha
17:05 Electoz: I have that feeling too when I was mapping something
17:05 Electoz: I testplayed like almost 100 times
17:05 Electoz: because I felt it's fun
17:05 Aximes: Same. xD
17:05 Electoz: so
17:05 Electoz: you said you watched pishi's video
17:06 Electoz: have you watched *every* of them?
17:06 Aximes: Every Video and multiple times, yes. ^^
17:06 Electoz: holy
17:06 Electoz: big fan
17:06 Aximes: Hehe. ^^
17:06 Aximes: Its hard to keep in mind EVERYTHING but in general, it helps alot.
17:06 Aximes: My biggest Problems is to find patterns, but I think that will come over time.
17:07 Aximes: And I gave up try Sound ephasis... Because it makes perfectly sense to me, but everyone else would describe it as random. xD
17:07 Electoz: emphasis huh
17:08 Electoz: might be a good thing to discuss here
17:08 Aximes: typo. ._.
17:08 Electoz: lol
17:08 Aximes: ^^
17:08 Electoz: so it's applies to this map as well yes? you're trying to emphasize sounds
17:08 Electoz: and people saw your emphasises as random
17:08 Aximes: Hmm... Kinda...
17:08 Aximes: Not in Spacing, but how the notes placed...
17:09 Electoz: alright
17:09 Electoz: then, tell me
17:09 Aximes: Like... where on the beatmap... Up, down etc.
17:09 Electoz: how do you emphasize objects
17:09 Electoz: gimme examples with timestamps
17:09 Electoz: so I can see
17:09 Aximes: Because I tried emphasize sounds on spacing first, but everyone just described it as random
17:09 Aximes: But in some parts I tried here too.
17:09 Aximes: 02:59:417 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) -  This Part for example.
17:10 Aximes: I tried it here somehow. ^^
17:10 Aximes: Maybe not the first Sliders. xD
17:11 Aximes: 01:41:141 (1,2,3) - Also some kind of sound emphasize with slower SV
17:11 Electoz: 02:59:417 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what did you do for emphasis
17:11 Electoz: asking because I want to clearly know what's your intention
17:11 Aximes: 01:22:635 (3,4,1) - Also a try.
17:12 Aximes: Uff... Hard to describe.
17:13 Electoz: the first thing is, you should be able to explain what do you do
17:13 Electoz: explain your own creation
17:13 Electoz: cuz there are times like
17:13 Electoz: you have to convince people
17:13 Electoz: modders
17:13 Aximes: You hear this loud synth and I dont wanted to spam another Stream. So I had the Idea with this 3 Sliders.
17:13 Electoz: BNs
17:13 Electoz: so on
17:13 Electoz: mmm
17:13 Electoz: let's see
17:14 Aximes: It makes perfectly sense for me somehow because the sound clearly calls for that in my opinion.
17:14 Aximes: Maybe I should have lower the SV in the short Slider in the middle. But I also wanted to keep it aesthetic somehow. xD
17:15 Electoz: 02:59:417 (1,2,3,4,5) - so I assume the reason these were spaced so big
17:15 Electoz: is because symmetry?
17:15 Electoz: is that what are you trying to do
17:16 Aximes: It was to get some Spacing because I map often times just on 1 Point. So I wanted to scale it up a bit... And then I scaled it up alot more to push SR Rating. :D
17:16 Aximes: But that was later.
17:16 Electoz: on 1 point?
17:16 Aximes: Yeah its like
17:16 Aximes: I have this whole Beatmap
17:16 Aximes: And I use like... Just the centre... 25% of the Space I have
17:17 Aximes: Idk why.
17:17 Electoz: you mean spaced provided in the editor?
17:17 Aximes: Im always scared its too hard for people somehow. :D
17:17 Electoz: so you want to map something around the edge
17:17 Aximes: Yeah.
17:17 Electoz: ?
17:17 Electoz: first thing first
17:17 Electoz: don't worry about SR
17:17 Aximes: Yeah... And since this is the kiai Part or the part after the drop, I wanted to make this section intense.
17:17 Electoz: especialyl when you just start mapping
17:18 Electoz: increasing SR is like
17:18 Electoz: making the map harder, yes
17:18 Electoz: but
17:18 Electoz: if you don't do it properly, it ruins other things in the map
17:18 Electoz: for example
17:18 Electoz: 02:59:417 (1,2,3,4,5) - you could increase the spacing as much as you want
17:18 Electoz: SR might bump up higher
17:18 Electoz: but it doesn't really fit the song
17:19 Electoz: because
17:19 Electoz: it makes the gameplay harder and the song doesn't call for it
17:19 Aximes: My Mindset was like "If I start a 3.2* Map... It must be possible to me to pass or even S it on first try..." But since this has long streams and is more technical stuff in general...
17:19 Electoz: normally you want to save harder patterns
17:19 Electoz: for the most intense parts of the song
17:19 Aximes: Idk... I was pushing SR just to give Players a hint "Not that easy how it looks"
17:19 Electoz: and use easier patterns on easier parts
17:20 Electoz: to be honest, SR can't really judge much
17:20 Electoz: in terms of gameplay difficulty
17:20 Electoz: but people don't really care that
17:20 Electoz: cuz
17:20 Aximes: Yeah. ^^
17:20 Electoz: high SR = PP
17:20 Electoz: that's what players care
17:20 Aximes: But it would be stupid to call a 3.2* Map Insane. :D
17:20 Electoz: not really
17:20 Electoz: like
17:21 Electoz: it will bump up once you nail the gimmicks better
17:21 Electoz: there's a lot of things you can do with this map
17:21 Electoz: since the song calls for creativity stuff
17:21 Electoz: I think one of the reasons why SR didn't go up as you expected
17:22 Electoz: is mainly because you tend to have unnecessary rhythm gaps in places
17:22 Electoz: like
17:22 Aximes: Yeah... I just enjoyed this complicated kiai Parts. Like... You can't copy paste enything because the Song is just random. So you have to map everything by your own and have to listen to every note.
17:22 Aximes: I kinda like this.
17:22 Electoz: 01:25:279 (3) - this one has a tail ended on a strong sound
17:22 Electoz: 01:25:624 - actually should be clickable
17:23 Electoz: there's a case where things are like
17:23 Electoz: you have to sacrifice on not making 01:25:968 (1) - clickable
17:23 Electoz: in order to map the downbeat I mentioned, which is more important
17:23 Electoz: OR
17:23 Electoz: you can just use an extended slider
17:23 Electoz: starting from 01:25:624 -
17:23 Electoz: these two are the most common solutions
17:23 Electoz: on filling rhythm gaps
17:24 Electoz: actually this is just similar as the uh
17:24 Electoz: rhythm filler video I think
17:24 Electoz: note that if you decided to use extended sliders
17:24 Electoz: it should be 1/6
17:24 Electoz: not 1/4
17:24 Aximes: I've shortened the slider by 1 purple tick and just placed a circle on the end.
17:24 Electoz: oh
17:25 Electoz: yeah
17:25 Electoz: you can apply that idea throughout the map
17:25 Electoz: also the big issue here is that
17:26 Electoz: you seem doesn't have a solid idea for your gimmicks yet
17:26 Electoz: so your patterns aren't that complicated compared to ranked mapsets
17:26 Electoz: that's also another reason why SR is still ow
17:26 Electoz: *low
17:26 Electoz: if that's what you care of course
17:26 Aximes: I honestly have no idea for Gimmicks... So I stopped trying. I just mapping the sound tbh.
17:26 Electoz: lol
17:27 Electoz: for example
17:27 Electoz: 01:27:003 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 
17:27 Electoz: so basically you're spamming 1/3 sliders
17:27 Electoz: which
17:27 Electoz: has a pretty obvious idea
17:27 Electoz: I'm not talking about
17:27 Electoz: how it's bad
17:27 Electoz: or good
17:27 Electoz: but
17:27 Electoz: have you ever thought of something like
17:28 Electoz: using different spacing on these 6 sliders?
17:28 Electoz: maybe gradually increase the spacing between 6 sliders?
17:28 Electoz: or maybe use a more uncomfortable angle as the sliders play on?
17:28 Electoz: also this would work better if this slider were splitted as 3-3 lol
17:28 Aximes: Just what I said... I have ideas how to map the sound, but patterns are my weakness. ^^ So Parts like this looks kinda awkward.
17:28 Electoz: 01:27:693 (4,1) - probably swap NC I guess
17:29 Electoz: yeah your rhythms choice are stronger point
17:29 Electoz: but you have to like, think of "what possibilities I can do from this"
17:29 Electoz: there are like lots of things to do with
17:29 Electoz: spacing
17:29 Electoz: angle
17:29 Electoz: rhythm choice
17:29 Electoz: combo
17:29 Electoz: zz
17:29 Electoz: so on
17:30 Electoz: the best way from this is that, ask people to get some ideas
17:30 Electoz: or
17:30 Electoz: look at ranked maps, or the maps that you like
17:30 Electoz: and see if there's any kind of pattern that inspires you
17:30 Electoz: and think why you like it
17:30 Electoz: if you know why you like it, you can implement and execute it on your map
17:30 Aximes: Yeah... But tries like that dont end good. :D
17:31 Aximes: Wait I'll show you.
17:31 Electoz: it doesn't end good for first several tries really
17:31 Electoz: like
17:31 Aximes: This map here
17:31 *Aximes is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1120738 Teminite - Earthquake [Rupture]]
17:31 Electoz: honestly this is not bad at all, for someone who just started mapping for a week
17:31 Electoz: a lot of new mappers are struggling for like
17:31 Electoz: 4-6 months?
17:31 Electoz: to map properly
17:32 Aximes: 01:42:940 (2,1,1,2,1,2) - This Part here.
17:32 Aximes: I like this part and I try to reconstruct it in my map.
17:32 Electoz: which diff
17:32 *Electoz is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1117448 Teminite - Earthquake [Terminate]]
17:32 Electoz: this one, yes?
17:32 Aximes: Yes
17:33 Aximes: And now... Back to my map:
17:33 Aximes: That was my attempt... 02:49:647 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1) -
17:34 Electoz: oh I see
17:34 Electoz: and you think what you did is not quite so good right?
17:34 Electoz: compared to that ranked map
17:34 Aximes: Not really.
17:34 Aximes: In general I like what I've done, but there atleast 10+ Parts that just annoys me. :D
17:35 Aximes: Thats one of them.
17:35 Electoz: why do you feel annoyed?
17:35 Electoz: or do you don't know because it's a feeling?
17:36 Aximes: Because I feel like I could do it better but I don't know how.
17:36 *Electoz is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1117448 Teminite - Earthquake [Terminate]]
17:36 Electoz: 01:43:112 (1,1,1) - use different slider velocities on each slider
17:36 Electoz: you can apply that on your map too
17:37 Electoz: ^just my opinion tho
17:37 Electoz: and each slider starts from slow, to faster
17:37 Electoz: you could try from fast to slow too, if that fits your preference
17:39 Electoz: 02:53:210 (5) - 
17:39 Electoz: this could be sth like https://puu.sh/vzNVI/ed4fecaa40.PNG
17:39 Electoz: 02:53:555 - 02:53:899 - are equally strong as 02:53:210 -
17:39 Electoz: so it would emphasize better to make all of them clickable
17:40 Electoz: 02:58:037 (1,2) - this could be a slider too
17:40 Aximes: One moment pls.
17:40 Electoz: yeah sure
17:40 Electoz: you don't need to apply all
17:40 Electoz: or rush
17:40 Electoz: I'm just throwing out my ideas
17:41 Electoz: to see if it fits your preference
17:42 Aximes: Sorry... I'm a bit sick atm and just had to sneeze. ^^ But I'm back.
17:42 Electoz: oh
17:42 Electoz: lol
17:43 Aximes: So, I changed that one.
17:43 Aximes: I dont even know, why I placed this repeatslider.
17:43 Aximes: Lack of creativity I guess.
17:43 Electoz: doesn't really lacking?
17:43 Electoz: it's more like
17:44 Electoz: you don't have it yet
17:44 Electoz: creativity isn't something that just fades out lol
17:45 Aximes: Creativity can fade out or be blocked for some time. :D
17:45 Electoz: oo
17:45 Electoz: blocked
17:45 Electoz: yeah I can agree with that
17:46 Aximes: In this case i can probably tell you exactly what happens. :D
17:46 Aximes: happened*
17:46 Electoz: hm?
17:46 Aximes: Map 85% done, I get excited and wanted to finish this map so I can be proud of it. xD
17:47 Aximes: Idk why but at 80% map done I just rush it sometimes... Idk why.
17:47 Electoz: lol
17:48 Electoz: also
17:48 Electoz: 00:55:164 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is not placed correctly
17:48 Electoz: 00:55:164 - should be a circle
17:48 Electoz: 00:55:279 - and your slider pattern should start here instead
17:48 Electoz: this is the exact/correct spot where the rhythm changes
17:48 Electoz: not 00:55:164 -
17:49 Electoz: change 00:56:658 (7) - to circle if you apply what I just said above I guess
17:50 Aximes: Yeah, changed that. :D
17:51 Electoz: 01:22:750 (4) - is not a really correct emphasis
17:51 Electoz: would sound a lot better if the slider starts at 01:22:865 -
17:52 Electoz: 01:21:486 - can put one here too if you apply above
17:52 Electoz: because they're the same sound
17:52 Electoz: so might as well map them in a same way
17:53 Aximes: Ahh...
17:53 Aximes: Now I know whats wrong with this part...
17:53 Electoz: lol
17:54 Electoz: so
17:54 Electoz: 01:27:003 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - 01:28:382 (1,2,3,4) - I assume that
17:54 Electoz: you interpreted these two measures as something that has a same/similar rhythm
17:54 Electoz: yes?
17:55 Aximes: Its the same sound but with this "switch" in it you know?
17:55 Electoz: what do you mean by "switch"
17:55 Electoz: you mean 01:28:382 (1) - ?
17:55 Aximes: Yes
17:57 Electoz: still thinking how should I word my point on this
17:57 Electoz: like
17:57 Electoz: these patterns on these two measures
17:57 Electoz: look as the same in terms of rhythm
17:57 Electoz: in first glance
17:57 Electoz: but actually it's not
17:57 Electoz: because techically you have to do add a circle here 01:28:727 -
17:58 Electoz: and start your sliders at 01:28:842 -
17:58 Electoz: otherwise the sliders between these two measures won't exactly start and end in the same places
17:58 Aximes: But then this slider makes no sense at all because there is not really a difference. 01:28:382 (1) -
17:58 Aximes: :/
17:59 Electoz: what do you mean
17:59 Aximes: I wanted this slider to stand out somehow. If I shorten it and add a circle there, its just another kickslider.
18:00 Electoz: no
18:00 Electoz: I mean
18:00 Electoz: 01:28:727 - adding a circle here
18:00 Electoz: and then start your 1/3 slider stuff at 01:28:842 -
18:00 Electoz: my suggestion has nothing really related to 01:28:382 (1) - 
18:01 Aximes: Then I feel this sound is completely ignored somehow. :/ That part is difficult.
18:01 Electoz: sec
18:02 Electoz: https://puu.sh/vzOAN/7bc9decb10.PNG
18:02 Electoz: do you see the difference
18:02 Electoz: between your slider patterns between these two measures
18:04 Aximes: Hmm.
18:04 Electoz: 01:28:727 (2) - is clickable on the second white tick, after the downbeat
18:04 Aximes: For me it just likes its ignoring this sound you know?
18:04 Electoz: what sound
18:04 Electoz: timestamp me
18:04 Aximes: 01:28:382 (1) -
18:05 Electoz: uhh it's really hard to word this hmm
18:06 Electoz: whatever I guess
18:06 Electoz: my suggestion is just that
18:06 Electoz: move 01:29:647 (2) - to 01:28:727  and then move 01:28:727 (2,3,4,1) - to 1/3 tick later
18:07 Electoz: 01:28:727 -
18:07 Electoz: so that the slider starts and ends in the same beats with the first measure
18:07 Electoz: if you don't apply it then it's up to you
18:07 Electoz: because it's always your judgement
18:07 Electoz: in the end
18:09 Aximes: This solution seems fine to me. I just dont want to ignore sounds etc because with so dominant sounds, it feel awkward somehow. :D
18:09 Electoz: lol
18:09 Electoz: ok
18:09 Electoz: 01:59:991 (3,5,6) - could be more consistent with slider shapes I guess
18:10 Aximes: Dont even know why this one is curved. xD
18:10 Aximes: Changed.
18:10 Electoz: 01:53:210 - tbh you should come up with something different than 00:24:934 -
18:10 Electoz: yeah I can say that much, it's easier said than done
18:11 Electoz: probably need to think a bit hard
18:11 Electoz: on how to make a variation
18:11 Electoz: 02:23:440 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - woops same as what I said some time before
18:11 Aximes: Hmm. :/
18:12 Aximes: I have honestly no Idea but I kinda like this pattern. :D But have just 2 Sounds in the whole song, where this works. :D
18:12 Electoz: yeah
18:12 Electoz: but the problem isn't the pattern is bad
18:12 Electoz: or good
18:13 Electoz: my point is that
18:13 Electoz: it could be too repetitive
18:13 Electoz: in gameplay
18:13 Electoz: probably need to come up with something else to make things not too repetitive
18:14 Electoz: oh
18:14 Electoz: I forgot to mention
18:15 Electoz: don't use 100% volume pls
18:15 Electoz: especially with normal sampleset
18:15 Electoz: it rips my ears
18:15 Electoz: :sadface:
18:15 Aximes: tbh I always use 75% but somehow its always messed up... idk why
18:15 Electoz: you could like
18:15 Electoz: scale volumes differently
18:15 Electoz: depending on the intensity
18:15 Electoz: of that section
18:16 Electoz: some people use soft sampleset on calmer section
18:16 Electoz: and use normals on more intense ones
18:16 Electoz: that's one way to do it too
18:16 Electoz: 02:48:382 (9,10) - zzzz
18:19 Aximes: Changed
18:19 Electoz: 02:58:037 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - instead of this, https://puu.sh/vzP5u/b06ca1e287.PNG could work too
18:19 Electoz: ^just giving you ideas so if you don't like it you don't have to apply
18:20 Aximes: Yeah, I know. ^^
18:21 Aximes: I don't apply everything. ^^ But you have many good tipps.
18:21 Aximes: But idk what you trying to tell me with this screenshot. :/ I dont get it. :/
18:21 Electoz: oh
18:22 Electoz: I'm suggest another set of rhythm
18:22 Electoz: instead of what you have
18:23 Electoz: I don't have anything else for now
18:23 Electoz: I guess
18:23 Electoz: it's more like I could talk a bit more in depth
18:23 Electoz: but the best for now is to gathering some ideas
18:23 Electoz: from modders
18:23 Electoz: or testplayers, whatever
18:24 Electoz: and then try them out
18:24 Electoz: I'm just one of the modders who give you suggestions/ideas so yeah
18:24 Electoz: in the end it's up to you to implement other's ideas into your own
18:24 Aximes: I changed that part now and Im think Im kinda happy with it... I had my problems with that Part too. :D
18:25 Aximes: Yeah, but its hard to find mods. xD
18:25 Aximes: But anyways... Thank you for that many tipps. c:
18:25 Electoz: oh I agree with that
18:25 Electoz: also
18:25 Electoz: note in mind that
18:26 Electoz: you should watch the rhythm filler video from pishi
18:26 Electoz: ^just saying in case you hadn't
18:26 Electoz: because that could apply a lot to your map
18:26 Aximes: Just what I said. I watched every video. ^^
18:26 Aximes: Multiple times. ^^
18:26 Electoz: like
18:26 Electoz: many beats
18:26 Electoz: where you landed it with sliderend
18:26 Electoz: s
18:26 Electoz: could be clickable
18:26 Electoz: try to take advantage of that
18:27 Electoz: by sacrificing the beat after
18:27 Electoz: or
18:27 Electoz: using an extended slider
18:27 Electoz: which is what I said in the very beginning
18:27 Electoz: yeah I guess that's it from me I think
18:28 Aximes: Okay, thank you. c: I do my best to improve. c:
18:28 Electoz: good luck on that then