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honkers
So after playing osu for 2 months, I think it might be time to get a new mouse than using this crappy wireless logitech mouse. What mouse is good for osu?
Mathsma
Rio-
I don't know How to tell... But I'd rather to use A Mouse which had Enough dpi to play and comfortable to Play with...
> I use Toshiba U20, and Yeah it's not A Gaming Mouse but It's really comfortable for Me with It :)
raww_old
Which mouse to get depends on your playstyle, are you a claw grip user or a palm grip user?

If you use claw grip, you should get a small mouse. If you use palm grip you should get a big mouse.
Rio-

raww wrote:

If you use claw grip, you should get a small mouse. If you use palm grip you should get a big mouse.
What about the Fingertip grip Player? (Like Mine)...
lolcubes
Oh look it's that picture again.
raww_old

satriobp wrote:

raww wrote:

If you use claw grip, you should get a small mouse. If you use palm grip you should get a big mouse.
What about the Fingertip grip Player? (Like Mine)...
That's like claw grip I'd imagine. Sorry for the late response
RaneFire

raww wrote:

That's like claw grip I'd imagine. Sorry for the late response
Claw grip = base of hand rests against the mouse, fingers arched (most often perpendicular to buttons).
Palm grip = base of hand rests against the mouse, fingers flat or low (just above the surface).
Fingertip grip = base of hand does not touch the mouse, fingers arched or low (just above the surface) which changes as you play from up/down movements.

Also note palm & claw are used by low sensitivity players, who mostly involve arm movements.

ALL high sensitivity players use fingertip grip. I have yet to find an exception since there is a limit to how finely you can control movement with just your arm alone, and often sacrifice speed by doing so since it's not natural.
Yarissa
I feel like that picture is incredibly misleading. Or maybe I'm just used to mice with anglesnapping problems now. Either way I consider my ability to play with mouse above average and I use "shit tier" mice. (I used the salmosa before, now I use a mionix naos 5000)
kriers
5000 and 8200 are really good laser mice but very expensive and with questionable durability.

If you experience angle-snapping problems, it's because you hit the laser and broke it. Happened with me.
hinamizawan
I liked mx580 way better than my current DA 3.5g
Hello Skitty
i use logitech g400 and its really good. but if you intend to play mouse-only i would buy another one, the buttons are too hard
RaneFire

skiter43 wrote:

i use logitech g400 and its really good. but if you intend to play mouse-only i would buy another one, the buttons are too hard
Never thought about it that much, since I got used to it (although I still admit it's a small problem)... but thinking back now, I'd have to agree with you.
My old 1st gen mx518 had much softer buttons, but probably due to excessive use as well.
It's "clickability" really isn't ideal for mouse-only.
Weed
TIL I use a shit tier mouse.
TakuMii
I really don't understand why the CM Storm Spawn is higher rated than my mouse (Roccat Savu) on that chart. They have the same problems (tracking issues on certain mousepads, caused by firmware)... I've never had any issues with "dodgy tracking", although I've seen others encounter the problems.
Espionage724
I'm a fan of Microsoft's wired BlueTrack mice. First mouse was a Comfort Mouse 3000. The middle wheel started malfunctioning, so I just replaced it with a Comfort Mouse 6000.

Is there any feedback of the quality of a BlueTrack sensor?
TakuMii
I used to have a Comfort Mouse 4500, and after using several different mice (DeathAdder, IMO1.1, Savu), I wouldn't go back. BlueTrack sensors have a rather large amount of positive acceleration. You'd be much better off using a good optical mouse.
AmaiHachimitsu
Just buy WMO/Intellimouse 1.1/3.0 and get used to 400dpi. Profit guaranteed. Of course there might be better mice, but those MS are not expensive (esp. WMO) and generally considered very, very good. Many good players (not only osu!) recommend these. This is for palm grip I guess. For Claw grip I recommend CM Storm Spawn

#edit: If you use MS mouse mentioned above, be sure to overclock your usb rate to 1000mhz, it helps a lot in their case, changing great mouse into a fkin monster.
scottyyy

YayMii wrote:

I really don't understand why the CM Storm Spawn is higher rated than my mouse (Roccat Savu) on that chart. They have the same problems (tracking issues on certain mousepads, caused by firmware)... I've never had any issues with "dodgy tracking", although I've seen others encounter the problems.
That's one of the things the image is wrong about imo. The Savu has amazing tracking quality. From what I've read the only real problem is the malfunction speed is a bit low, but that's only really an issue if you use very low sens. I'd say most people can use the mouse just fine without ever hitting the malfunction speed.
TakuMii

scottyyy wrote:

That's one of the things the image is wrong about imo. The Savu has amazing tracking quality. From what I've read the only real problem is the malfunction speed is a bit low, but that's only really an issue if you use very low sens. I'd say most people can use the mouse just fine without ever hitting the malfunction speed.
Even if that was the case, then there shouldn't be any reason why the Intellimouse would be higher-ranked. I used to use an IMO1.1 and I've tested my Savu's malfunction speed to be at least double that of the IMO, even at 400dpi (I use a sens of 30cm 50cm/360 in FPSes if that matters).
AmaiHachimitsu
I've tested my Savu's malfunction speed to be at least double that of the IMO
Just saying, testing your mouse in terms of malf/perf control speed or acceleration using some silly software won't give you any true result.

Also - who the fk even reaches the malfunction speed, intellis' sensor's malf speed is about 2 m/s and I think I've never hit it, believe me I played some fast stuff there and I'm low sens player.

I've never had any issues with "dodgy tracking", although I've seen others encounter the problems.
This chart is mostly about perfect tracking abilities of mice with technical limits being less important. This is why your Savu is in the lower tier. I've never seen anyone who would complain about tracking in IE,IMO,WMO. I can even guess that if it wasn't for 400dpi being the only choice + low perfect control speed, Intellimice would be in at least Demigod Tier.

Anyway, Savu is a good mouse though a bit expensive like every Roccat product lol. CptnXn is one of the best mousers atm and is using Savu IIRC.

But on the other side, there is a bunch of MS IE,IMO,WMO users doing excellent job ^^

You must remember that you don't need perfect tracking to play osu! well since you might encounter problems only when you try to play extremely small circles. Just make sure you don't have massive acceleration in your mouse.
TakuMii
I've seen plenty of people complain about the low perfect control speed of the Intellimice, much moreso than my current mouse. I've actually hit it several times; I tend to swipe up to 2.3m/s when I'm playing Quake. The Intellimouse sensor only tracks up to about 1.2m/s, or about 1.9m/s if overclocked. Of course this doesn't really matter in osu!, since you won't be able to reach past 1m/s while you're playing, anyway.
But what I meant by "I've seen others encounter the problems" was that people with different mousepads than mine have been experiencing the malfunction speed being much lower than it should be.

Also, I seem to have miscalculated my sensitivity due to a settings issue in CS:GO >//< I actually run at 50cm/360.
Full Tablet

YayMii wrote:

I've seen plenty of people complain about the low perfect control speed of the Intellimice, much moreso than my current mouse. I've actually hit it several times; I tend to swipe up to 2.3m/s when I'm playing Quake. The Intellimouse sensor only tracks up to about 1.2m/s, or about 1.9m/s if overclocked. Of course this doesn't really matter in osu!, since you won't be able to reach past 1m/s while you're playing, anyway.
But what I meant by "I've seen others encounter the problems" was that people with different mousepads than mine have been experiencing the malfunction speed being much lower than it should be.

Also, I seem to have miscalculated my sensitivity due to a settings issue in CS:GO >//< I actually run at 50cm/360.
When using my tablet (full screen, full tablet area), the tip of the pen reaches up to about 3.5m/s (tested while playing https://osu.ppy.sh/b/257940&m=0), so using low dpi for osu! would be hard with a mouse with low tracking speed.
ZenoDiac
Okay, I play mouse only and I must announce that having a large lift distance on your mouse laser is a goooood thing. I actually embrace it, because it helps A LOT on spinners, where you tend to lift the mouse by a small distance (due to momentum) and not loose tracking (note: tracking, not accuracy).
Seriously Lift was the BEST feature of the Logitech G3 that I had. It was light and accurate. I couldn't spin faster with any other mouse, ever.
Even with my current mouse I struggle because of the lift breaking laser tracking.

Unfortunately the G3 was discontinued and so was the rest of the mice in line that had a noticeable lift distance. I had to get a new mouse because the padding wore off and couldn't be fixed.

I can see that it irritates people wanting to play fps games and losing accuracy when they raise the mouse to put it somewhere else, but when it came to spinners, having lift on your mouse for osu was more a blessing than a curse.
TakuMii

Full Tablet wrote:

When using my tablet (full screen, full tablet area), the tip of the pen reaches up to about 3.5m/s (tested while playing https://osu.ppy.sh/b/257940&m=0), so using low dpi for osu! would be hard with a mouse with low tracking speed.
There's a difference between playing on a tablet compared to playing on a mouse. Your tablet pen will move faster due to the lever-action caused by holding the pen higher than the tip. I've had a discussion about this with a higher-ranked before; even when playing at low sensitivities like 400dpi, you can't possibly reach 2m/s even when playing songs like Airman. You probably won't even reach past 1.7m/s without losing accuracy.
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