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about Chat Control… are you guys concerned?

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Aireunaeus
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Aireunaeus
This is mostly suitable for the EU Countries

Basically Chat Control is the EU Government’s attempt to protect People under the age of consent by scanning every single chat, image or video that you send through chat Platforms with the help of AI, including the ones that are “End-To-End encrypted”. If the AI finds questionable content more like illegal content, it will be reported to the authorities and legal consequences will happen.

Even though i live in Switzerland, it might still count on Non EU countries as App Store, Google Play etc.. have to accept the EU rules by any means.

I personally do find it plausible what they’re trying to do but doing this by invading our privacy is literally 1984…

That also basically leads to false positives, making encryption useless…

Apparently the representatives decide and if i remember correctly it will take place at 12th of September this year
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myangelkonata
204 posts
Joined March 2024
myangelkonata


Lowkey worried this will happen to us...
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- Marco -
Technical Support Team
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Joined December 2011
- Marco -
I'm concerned enought to have sent a mail to my Italian representatives. Why do I have to be privacy invaded and never THEM. This is stupid like some cities in America putting AI cameras and shit like that. I hate the modern world.

Clippy doesn't read your chat without asking first, he simply wants to help you.
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Jangsoodlor
611 posts
Joined December 2020
Jangsoodlor
Massive EU L. Very concerning for me since this might give Thai MPs some funny ideas in the future if this law is here to stay.
Karmine
1,031 posts
Joined November 2015
Karmine
It's very simple, if they say "It's for the children" you should be concerned.
In this case it's probably one of the worst thing they ever came up with so yeah everyone should just stop using the internet if this thing passes.

On the bright side if people actually cared it would incentivise them to meet irl instead. We all know that's not happening though.
iwuvkittens
199 posts
Joined July 2025
iwuvkittens
cant relate
hyperastro
62 posts
Joined May 2023
hyperastro
I emailed all Portuguese representatives none of them replied back (usually at least one of them does). I think the worst part about the law is that politicians are exempt from it??? How is that fair. We have multiple examples [...].
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Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
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Aireunaeus

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Massive EU L. Very concerning for me since this might give Thai MPs some funny ideas in the future if this law is here to stay.
Just gonna hope that the idea wouldn’t be spreading that far. Aparently this idea has been proven unsafe by a lot of security experts. Who knows… maybe this has a potential on not being Added soon..


- Marco - wrote:

I'm concerned enought to have sent a mail to my Italian representatives. Why do I have to be privacy invaded and never THEM. This is stupid like some cities in America putting AI cameras and shit like that. I hate the modern world.

Clippy doesn't read your chat without asking first, he simply wants to help you.

hyperastro wrote:

I emailed all Portuguese representatives none of them replied back (usually at least one of them does). I think the worst part about the law is that politicians are exempt from it??? How is that fair. We have multiple examples [...].
These are good ideas and we should actually do it. Apparently the German representatives are the strongest. If only they would decline, we could actually win this…

Ive seen that video with the clippy quote and that guy was literally foreshadowing it… damn

iwuvkittens wrote:

cant relate

Aireunaeus on the first fucking line i have written in this thread wrote:

This is mostly suitable for the EU Countries
Ik it’s irony but still lol
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Naiad
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Joined May 2019
Naiad
Frankly idk much but it sounds dumb to me, too.
Lyawi
Technical Support Team
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Joined February 2015
Lyawi
I think we have to accept the fact the line between security and control will always be very thin, now what do you want to make out of this. I'm probably not freaking out because I'm seeing more good results in this than bad, but I could be unaware what could potentially hurt me about this
anaxii
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anaxii
- Marco -
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- Marco -

anaxii wrote:

Lyawi
Technical Support Team
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Lyawi
am I too boomer for this to understand?
Dia Nevado
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Joined September 2018
Dia Nevado
I don't see the bad side to this measures? Unless you're actually doing ilegal things, you shouldn't be worried?
Sorry if I'm not getting something I should :o
- Marco -
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Dia Nevado wrote:

I don't see the bad side to this measures? Unless you're actually doing ilegal things, you shouldn't be worried?
Sorry if I'm not getting something I should :o
Try giving a read at https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
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Aireunaeus

Dia Nevado wrote:

I don't see the bad side to this measures? Unless you're actually doing ilegal things, you shouldn't be worried?
Sorry if I'm not getting something I should :o
The only bad thing about it is tat people can still get reported to the authorities even though they did nothing. Again I don’t find that a bad idea protecting people under the age of consent but using ai to scan all of your chats with ai is still not really secure. Ai is still evolving and is not really ready to monitor such things.
TicClick
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TicClick

Lyawi wrote:

I'm probably not freaking out because I'm seeing more good results in this than bad, but I could be unaware what could potentially hurt me about this
government and its affiliates potentially gaining access to your private data, such as photos, chats, medical records, other communications. if asymmetric encryption is weakened (or backdoors are introduced, as governments and three-letter agencies can be very convincing), it would be easier for other parties to get, leak, or use your private data as well, whether you want it or not

Dia Nevado wrote:

I don't see the bad side to this measures? Unless you're actually doing ilegal things, you shouldn't be worried?
Sorry if I'm not getting something I should :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

the short version is that by letting yourself under surveillance you place a huge amount of trust onto a collective that you cannot control and, given its role and motives, should not trust, ever. if it decides to turn on you for any reason it deems good enough (and you may personally not agree with), there will be very little to no chance to walk it back
Naiad
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Joined May 2019
Naiad
I prefer the government to know as little about me as possible, period end of statement.
iwuvkittens
199 posts
Joined July 2025
iwuvkittens
the alphabet bois are after us
burgernfat
22 posts
Joined March 2021
burgernfat
im concerned but there is absolutely nothing anybody in this shitty country can really do about it
niat0004
295 posts
Joined September 2017
niat0004
Used to think Chat Control was fine, but then realised it probably isn't since it might give people grounds to break privacy because an AI's false positives told them to.

Aireunaeus wrote:

Basically Chat Control is the EU Government’s attempt to protect People under the age of consent by scanning every single chat, image or video that you send through chat platforms with the help of AI, [...] If the AI finds questionable content more like illegal content, it will be reported to the authorities and legal consequences will happen.
About this, it will assume the age of consent is 18 and flag anything that breaks this rule, which is a fair assumption until this isn't true, like in many EU countries. The questionable content in question is not unlawful to have if the person in it explicitly permits someone to have it and they are over the age of consent. (For example, in Denmark, §235 III Penal Code specifies this.)
This will lead to the authorities being spammed with reports that might be of an actual offence, but that won't be a large majority of the time. This will waste a significant amount of the police's time.
synthwavesquid
224 posts
Joined February 2021
synthwavesquid

Karmine wrote:

It's very simple, if they say "It's for the children" you should be concerned.
>>

also, ticclick's post
Dia Nevado
6 posts
Joined September 2018
Dia Nevado
Thanks for the clarification, everybody who did <3
Aireunaeus
3,108 posts
Joined December 2021
Topic Starter
Aireunaeus

niat0004 wrote:

Used to think Chat Control was fine, but then realised it probably isn't since it might give people grounds to break privacy because an AI's false positives told them to.

Aireunaeus wrote:

Basically Chat Control is the EU Government’s attempt to protect People under the age of consent by scanning every single chat, image or video that you send through chat platforms with the help of AI, [...] If the AI finds questionable content more like illegal content, it will be reported to the authorities and legal consequences will happen.
About this, it will assume the age of consent is 18 and flag anything that breaks this rule, which is a fair assumption until this isn't true, like in many EU countries. The questionable content in question is not unlawful to have if the person in it explicitly permits someone to have it and they are over the age of consent. (For example, in Denmark, §235 III Penal Code specifies this.)
This will lead to the authorities being spammed with reports that might be of an actual offence, but that won't be a large majority of the time. This will waste a significant amount of the police's time.
that's interesting... either way it should be generally unlawful even from permission from the person after they reached the age of consent.
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niat0004
295 posts
Joined September 2017
niat0004

Aireunaeus wrote:

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niat0004 wrote:

Used to think Chat Control was fine, but then realised it probably isn't since it might give people grounds to break privacy because an AI's false positives told them to.

Aireunaeus wrote:

Basically Chat Control is the EU Government’s attempt to protect People under the age of consent by scanning every single chat, image or video that you send through chat platforms with the help of AI, [...] If the AI finds questionable content more like illegal content, it will be reported to the authorities and legal consequences will happen.
About this, it will assume the age of consent is 18 and flag anything that breaks this rule, which is a fair assumption until this isn't true, like in many EU countries. The questionable content in question is not unlawful to have if the person in it explicitly permits someone to have it and they are over the age of consent. (For example, in Denmark, §235 III Penal Code specifies this.)
This will lead to the authorities being spammed with reports that might be of an actual offence, but that won't be a large majority of the time. This will waste a significant amount of the police's time.
that's interesting... either way it should be generally unlawful even from permission from the person after they reached the age of consent.
I can understand this from a practical point of view in terms of not wanting to generate more material, but I don't agree since this would make the person prosecutable for receiving the material even if they could perform sexual acts with the other person lawfully, which feels morally self-contradictory.

This is a tangent (and a very sensitive subject), however, so if you want to discuss this further, do so in my DMs.
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