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Making SB has worth getting kudosu?
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Making SB has worth getting kudosu?
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Well it could involve more hard work than a mod, so maybe it should
Other.
In my opinion, a complete storyboard is similar to a guest difficulty - it's a person's contribution to the map without actually directly improving the map itself from a technical standpoint. Of course, if you give them a SB and mod the map at the same time, you deserve KD, but that's from the mod.
Kudosu should be explicitly for helping the map from a technical standpoint, rather than a completely aesthetic standpoint. (Making prettier sliders helps gameplay as well as aesthetics, a storyboard is pure aesthetics).
On the other hand, storyboards can affect gameplay, but that's a secondary issue~
In my opinion, a complete storyboard is similar to a guest difficulty - it's a person's contribution to the map without actually directly improving the map itself from a technical standpoint. Of course, if you give them a SB and mod the map at the same time, you deserve KD, but that's from the mod.
Kudosu should be explicitly for helping the map from a technical standpoint, rather than a completely aesthetic standpoint. (Making prettier sliders helps gameplay as well as aesthetics, a storyboard is pure aesthetics).
On the other hand, storyboards can affect gameplay, but that's a secondary issue~
Yes.
If the mapper finds the SB helpful to his map, and it improves the map, why not?
We also give SB to people re-encoding our mp3 files and resizing our backgrounds, so yeah..
If the mapper finds the SB helpful to his map, and it improves the map, why not?
We also give SB to people re-encoding our mp3 files and resizing our backgrounds, so yeah..
No, but for a different reason, kudosu is gvien to mod posts not to graphical aesthetical improvments like SB/Skin, you ae still allowed to mod a SB and get kudosu for it as it's part of the beatmap, otherwise as Shiirn said it's treated more as providing a guest difficulty, and this also includes if you would get kudosu for making fixes to your own difficulty if you indeed make fixes to you own SB.
Providing fixes to another person's SB/Skin (like cropping some white pixels, resizing/fixing to rankable size) can be considered modding and is worth a kudosu.
Quote from kudosu section on profiles
So yeah that's the general view of it, and ill relink the link in the profile too this post which explains clearly what is kudosu given for.
Imma quote a specific part from peppy's post:
Providing fixes to another person's SB/Skin (like cropping some white pixels, resizing/fixing to rankable size) can be considered modding and is worth a kudosu.
Quote from kudosu section on profiles
Based on how much of a contribution the user has made to beatmap moderation.
So yeah that's the general view of it, and ill relink the link in the profile too this post which explains clearly what is kudosu given for.
Imma quote a specific part from peppy's post:
Now i dont think that a skin/sb counts as "constructive criticism" nor "feedback" eh?peppy wrote:
The main thing to think about before rewarding posters: Does this post contain constructive criticism about my map which will help me improve it?. The feedback doesn't necessarily need to be in-depth and technical - as long as you found it helpful, please give the poster kudosu.
Yes because takes time make SBs, like modding, and if helps the mapper in any way then it's ok.
Same as guest diffs, and we shouldn't give kudosu to guest diffs because it's not a mod post...Astom wrote:
Yes because takes time make SBs, like modding, and if helps the mapper in any way then it's ok.
Guest diffs and SBs both improve the map, so I give kudosu for both.
It doesn't make sense not to do so imo.
It doesn't make sense not to do so imo.
I agree with not giving kudos to guest diff, because most of people, I think, don't map songs than they don't want (also diff gives score to players and a couple of other things, is not only realted to "visual" improvement or game play improvement), but not necessarily for SB, for example: warnings, censure or SB has request, I myself made SBs has reqs and not because I want, most of time I just see them just has they are "Request", like mod reqs.Beuchi-chan wrote:
Same as guest diffs, and we shouldn't give kudosu to guest diffs because it's not a mod post...Astom wrote:
Yes because takes time make SBs, like modding, and if helps the mapper in any way then it's ok.
Neither SBs and Guest diffs are feedback or constructive criticism, neither makes sense to be kudosu'd imo
It depends on what you want kudosu to express. Two possibilities:
1. Having Kudosu means "I know how to mod and have shown it". That'd mean kudosu is awarded for purely modding, and thus would mean that 8SP maps are almost always not bad, because the mapper knows what he's doing. This view would discourage people from voluntarily making guest difficulties or skins/storyboards, but it'd make the ranking process more efficient, because MATs won't have to stir through piles of terrible maps, but just take a random >8SP map and be almost guaranteed for it to be at the very least rankable in its essence.
2. Having Kudosu means "I spent time on other maps and thus deserve to have people spend some time on my maps". That'd mean kudosu is awarded for any effort that is done to improve other maps. This view would encourage to help other maps in any way possible, like making guest difficulties or skins or stuff. But, it would definitely not mean that >8SP maps are always good maps and thus make it a bit harder to look for good maps in the giant pile of high priority maps.
Both views have points for them and against them, but as the whole starring system was recently overthrown completely to make sure that >8SP maps don't suck giant dinosaur balls anymore, I think we should focus on view 1 and only award kudosu for helpful mod posts.
Besides, if you already bother to make a guest diff, skin or storyboard for someone else's map, it is definitely NOT a huge effort to swiftly mod that person's map and point out a few points you find bad about the map. 10 more minutes of effort, would you please?
1. Having Kudosu means "I know how to mod and have shown it". That'd mean kudosu is awarded for purely modding, and thus would mean that 8SP maps are almost always not bad, because the mapper knows what he's doing. This view would discourage people from voluntarily making guest difficulties or skins/storyboards, but it'd make the ranking process more efficient, because MATs won't have to stir through piles of terrible maps, but just take a random >8SP map and be almost guaranteed for it to be at the very least rankable in its essence.
2. Having Kudosu means "I spent time on other maps and thus deserve to have people spend some time on my maps". That'd mean kudosu is awarded for any effort that is done to improve other maps. This view would encourage to help other maps in any way possible, like making guest difficulties or skins or stuff. But, it would definitely not mean that >8SP maps are always good maps and thus make it a bit harder to look for good maps in the giant pile of high priority maps.
Both views have points for them and against them, but as the whole starring system was recently overthrown completely to make sure that >8SP maps don't suck giant dinosaur balls anymore, I think we should focus on view 1 and only award kudosu for helpful mod posts.
Besides, if you already bother to make a guest diff, skin or storyboard for someone else's map, it is definitely NOT a huge effort to swiftly mod that person's map and point out a few points you find bad about the map. 10 more minutes of effort, would you please?
Topic Starter
I don't see why kudosu should be allowed to only mod post.
SB, BG and skin are parts of the map. And it can improve map's quality.
Why do you think everything is separated?
Larto said already, there is a fundamental difference between the two points of view.
So it seems there is no middle ground.
Sad.
SB, BG and skin are parts of the map. And it can improve map's quality.
Why do you think everything is separated?
Larto said already, there is a fundamental difference between the two points of view.
So it seems there is no middle ground.
Sad.
I give kudosus on Skis and SBs. Basically due to the effort behind it, it helps improve my mapset, etc etc.
EDIT: Also, the mapper does learn something new with every SB. I learnt how to create my first SBs because I looked at the coding on the Sbs people gave me.
BGs seems not enough effort from my point of view unless it was created by the one who posted it.
EDIT: Also, the mapper does learn something new with every SB. I learnt how to create my first SBs because I looked at the coding on the Sbs people gave me.
BGs seems not enough effort from my point of view unless it was created by the one who posted it.
What larto said is right, make skin, find a BG, remind source or tags takes few time, but these do help mappers improve their map
And making a real "story"board takes long time, 1 week, or more. Not a time problem IMO.
It depends on how many effort and how much time you spend on improving this map, but it's hard to tell, right.
And making a real "story"board takes long time, 1 week, or more. Not a time problem IMO.
It depends on how many effort and how much time you spend on improving this map, but it's hard to tell, right.
Yes.
I think mainly, 2 things need to be considered here, "if the post really help", "if the modder (or SB maker) really puts efforts in it". Following a guideline because it's a guideline is quite weird. The kudosu guideline was born long ago, when SB is really a rare thing at that time, it probably need to be reconsidered.
I'd like to give kudosu to guest diffs too (once i decide to take it).
Larto's last line makes sense, but some mappers/SB makers are not good modders at the same time.
I think mainly, 2 things need to be considered here, "if the post really help", "if the modder (or SB maker) really puts efforts in it". Following a guideline because it's a guideline is quite weird. The kudosu guideline was born long ago, when SB is really a rare thing at that time, it probably need to be reconsidered.
I'd like to give kudosu to guest diffs too (once i decide to take it).
Larto's last line makes sense, but some mappers/SB makers are not good modders at the same time.
Well, creating a storyboard for your own map isn't worth getting any kudosu. So I don't think you should get kudosu when making a storyboard for someone else's map. Kudosu (in my opinion) is supposed to be a measure of one's modding, so I don't think it should be given for a storyboard/skin.
End of opinion!
End of opinion!
Yyyeaaaah, after thinking it over, kudosu! is a good representation of your mod quality, and even though people probably don't make skins and SBs every day, it's not really going to help your modding or anything.
Spend hours making SB for another map. No kudos.
Spend 5 minutes looking at someone else's SB. +2 kudos.
When you make a SB you are improving the map for the people who play osu correctly. You are not submitting a beatmap with your name on it. Your name doesn't even go in tags or anything.
"I think you should move this note here and put another note here, then use this slider. Here's the code."
"I think it would be cool to put a storyboard flash in here. Here's the code."
I could go around and nazi every newbs map spending ~20 minutes modding it and rack up 20 mods a day to get 15-30 kd.
Spend 5 minutes looking at someone else's SB. +2 kudos.
When you make a SB you are improving the map for the people who play osu correctly. You are not submitting a beatmap with your name on it. Your name doesn't even go in tags or anything.
"I think you should move this note here and put another note here, then use this slider. Here's the code."
"I think it would be cool to put a storyboard flash in here. Here's the code."
quality =/= how often you mod.OzzyOzrock wrote:
mod quality.
I could go around and nazi every newbs map spending ~20 minutes modding it and rack up 20 mods a day to get 15-30 kd.
and you can just write "turn epilepcy warning on" (alt tab and writing this text maybe cost around 15sec)ziin wrote:
Spend hours making SB for another map. No kudos.
Spend 5 minutes looking at someone else's SB. +2 kudos.
This is more complicated then I thought
Regardless of how much time you spend on it, if you make a storyboard for someone else's map you are doing something for them, as opposed to giving advice for someone else's storyboard which is helping them do something for themselves. At least, I think that should make sense. In my opinion, kudosu is for helping people instead of doing things for them. Even if you spend lots of time doing hard work, that hard work may not be kudosu-worthy. (Of course, this doesn't mean you should spend no effort in doing modding.)ziin wrote:
Spend hours making SB for another map. No kudos.
Spend 5 minutes looking at someone else's SB. +2 kudos.
I think than modding is "do something for them", because a part of mod is look for errors or mistakes and that is work of mapper too not only modders, do something for someone is HELP them regardless than that help can make them grow as mapper, "helping them to do something for themselves" is explain to them how map a song, for example, or tell them how set their hitsounds (explain it, not point circles to set them), etc. do you want kudos for that?SapphireGhost wrote:
Regardless of how much time you spend on it, if you make a storyboard for someone else's map you are doing something for them, as opposed to giving advice for someone else's storyboard which is helping them do something for themselves. At least, I think that should make sense. In my opinion, kudosu is for helping people instead of doing things for them. Even if you spend lots of time doing hard work, that hard work may not be kudosu-worthy. (Of course, this doesn't mean you should spend no effort in doing modding.)ziin wrote:
Spend hours making SB for another map. No kudos.
Spend 5 minutes looking at someone else's SB. +2 kudos.
Just think a moment about it, you will spend X time modding, pointing things than YOU think need be improved or fixed and that will "help them to do something for themselves"?, I don't think so.
For me a kudo is just a way for say "thx" to someone, nothing more or less, and I give my thx for any "help" or "thing" than someone do for me.
Irony in ziin words, I want kudos to be changed to "thx" because they don't express how helpfull you was to someone. Modding their songs, making SB for them, etc. is just help them in things, I have more than 300 kudos and what? they make me better? they show how good I'm at modding? they only show how many times someone told me "thx".
If you want a way to show how good are you at modding think in another way because kudos aren't the answer and that goes to all the people reading this.
Finally coming back to "Making SB has worth getting kudosu?", yea it's deserves because you need say thx to someone, and a merely "hey thx for your sb" isn't enough, I'm changing my opinion about if a guest diff deserves a kudo to yes it's deserve, because kudos don't express "how" you helped someone, pointing things? explaining to them how map their song? finding bpm or offset for them? etc.