Hey guys,

I'm in need of useful advice. Before hand ill tell you what I like to use...

Desktop Res: 1920x1080
Windowed Game Res: 1280x720
Sens 1
Tablet: CTH-461
Bamboo Preferences: Pen Mode/Full-Area Tablet(Proportions Enabled).

Update...

Over the past three days, I have done these things.

1: Moved to Full Area Tablet! Brought resolution down to 1280x720. (Improved my accuracy by a long shot.) idea from "Tom69"
2: Played the latest ranked songs and worked on alternate as well as single finger tapping. (Improved coordination and timing.) idea from "darkmiz"
3: Played new songs I have no played before, to try to learn speed reading, and assuming what notes will be next. (Helped a bit, not much since I read sheet music, and tabs for keyboard.) "winber1"

Conclusion...

If this is your first time reading this post, please take these guys advice! It really helped a lot during my time spent trying to improve.
These tips have surpassed my expectations! I never thought that I could go from playing 3L- Sping of Dreams (Karen) and Tsukasa - Accelerator (Maximum) to t+pazolite - mo-ko-mo-core (Lunatic) and DJ Fresh - Gold Dust (Insane) - Hidden, in such a short period of time.
To all the people to helped, all I can say is thank you very much, I really appreciate it. I understand that there were some miss confusions with some wording put into context. No worries, we all make mistakes, and it is hard to tell personality through text.

My thoughts...

9/10/12
After a week or so, I will be updating this thread consecutively, hoping to broaden many other people, to hope for improvement in their game play.
Please stay update on this thread if you are either new to the game, or have just recently been looking for paths to improving speed/accuracy/timing.

9/15/12
So it's been around five days since the latest update. Things are working out great. I've had a lot of advice from many people, one of which Kyou-Kun. I got some great idea's and beat one of my main focuses, Gold Dust - with ease! I have still have minor problems with single and alternate tapping, but it's coming along. I appreciate all the help! I'll keep you guys updated as to what happens next on Sunday Night! Cya!

Practice.

Lock thread plz~

Zarerion wrote:

Practice.

Lock thread plz~

that was practically useless.

MOR wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

Practice.

Lock thread plz~

that was practically useless.

*sigh*
There is no magic spell that will make you suddenly hit the notes on Big Black perfectly, or make you FC an approved 210 BPM Renard map.

It's like everything in life, e.g. playing a music instrument. It takes weeks and months and years of practice until you can call yourself "good".

The frustration is just because there are a thousand of this thread already. I started a couple, myself.

You obviously didn't get what I ment... I need maps to practice. Not just PRACTICE.

kokou no sousei, 240 bpm.

hard<insane<collab<chaos

the start of the collab diff is great for getting single tap speed and endurance.

We got it. It's just that the request has been made before. I personally used to just play every new map that came out and try to FC them all. With time I got faster by pushing my limits. When I got fast enough, I went back and started FCing the ones I wasn't fast enough for before that. Then I DT'd some that were easy and slow before. These days I practice a lot on Hypercaine, Just Awake, Blue Night, Hades, TU4AR, Gold Dust, Pyramid Head Is The World's Greatest Lover, What I Found, Banned Forever(sometimes), WI-FI Bridge, and more aren't coming to mind right now, but there are some fast maps.

silmarilen wrote:

kokou no sousei, 240 bpm.

lol

No srsly, play the maps and songs you like. If you don't have to force yourself to play the maps, you will - maybe - improve a little faster.
Even tough, I recommend NOT to play Anime TV Size Maps, as they are pretty much free score. (Stuff like Chase the light being the exception)

well the start of collab is almost purely button mashing which is good for getting high speed and acc.

silmarilen wrote:

well the start of collab is almost purely button mashing which is good for getting high speed and acc.

If it's simply about training singletap clickspeed, I'd recommend "Speed" rather than Kokou no Sousei, because Speed doesn't have have 1/4's, high spacing or anything else that could be difficult except for the BPM.

silmarilen wrote:

kokou no sousei, 240 bpm.

hard<insane<collab<chaos

the start of the collab diff is great for getting single tap speed and endurance.

thanks. much appreciated. also.

Zarerion. I agree I should be practicing maps I like, thing is that I have already most beaten maps I have. I have around 900+... Obv I haven't beat all of them perfectly, and some no where near close, but I need either more maps, or map names that I should practice like Silmarilen has done here.

Practice songs like Asgard(Vahala) by Lybydose. Intersect thunderbolt by Dief, and that Lon one by Garven. forgot the name. maps like that, if you practice them at least three times a day with no fail on. your tap speed should increase, and ability to read maps. Even the MLP glitch remix.I got a good boost on my clicking, and streaming speed playing those maps, and AR9 slowed down a little for me, and I'm getting way better accuracy.

Zarerion wrote:

Practice.

Lock thread plz~

someone give this guy moderator, he really needs it.

jesus1412 wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

Practice.

Lock thread plz~

someone give this guy moderator, he really needs it.

i know right. every troll should be banned.

Val maps in val(0108) difficulty

Satonaka wrote:

Val maps in val(0108) difficulty

tyvm

Everytime one of these "Advice Please" threads always either posting the exact same things as one in another thread some time ago, or just lists hard maps. Look here, bro, playing nonstop insane songs like big black, or kokou no sensei, or val0108 maps or other hard maps even if you can't do them is not going to help. You will improve, no doubt about it, but you are building skill on no foundation. You'd be surprised at your improvement from just playing songs that you can already get like 95% + accuracy with no mod by just either playing that song every once in a while or playing it with extra mods. Speed and and jumps aren't the only thing you should be thinking about. Accuracy is also hugely important, considering this is a rhythm game. Anyways, it is up to your own discretion whether something will help you or not, but really keep in mind that it's not about the hard maps, and don't rage over not being able to do it and continuously try to beat it. Move on and play a variety of songs.

If you try to go insanity first, you don't build a solid foundation for accurate movements and clicks. You basically are much more likely to start randomly missing, even on easier songs, and end getting frustrated. I admit that atama no taisou is out of my league still, because of those god damn squares. However, I don't sit there all there practicing those squares. Every once in a while I might go back and practice them, and I would realized that I've actually gotten better.

One thing that will probably be helpful is if you don't half-ass patterns. What I mean by this is for example, if you have a square, it's possible to move your cursor in a circular shape and click (somewhat randomly) and still be able to clear that square. This really doesn't help you learn the pattern better. It's much better to move your cursor directly to every note and try not to just "pass" it, but actually to "learn" it.

I agree with Winber. It's fine to go looking for maps, but real improvement will come not from playing maps and map types that you want to be able to be good at, but from playing maps you are already marginally good at. If you're getting less than 90% on a map and are not able to FC it, then probably this is a map you shouldn't be playing a whole lot until your foundations are built up more. It's ok to play them, but don't think that those maps are the ones that are going to help you. It's the map that you can just barely FC with a lot of work and with greater than 90% accuracy, which will help you the most, because it's got something in it that you're on the verge of getting right and your muscles can grasp without being confused.

winber1 wrote:

Everytime one of these "Advice Please" threads always either posting the exact same things as one in another thread some time ago, or just lists hard maps. Look here, bro, playing nonstop insane songs like big black, or kokou no sensei, or val0108 maps or other hard maps even if you can't do them is not going to help. You will improve, no doubt about it, but you are building skill on no foundation. You'd be surprised at your improvement from just playing songs that you can already get like 95% + accuracy with no mod by just either playing that song every once in a while or playing it with extra mods. Speed and and jumps aren't the only thing you should be thinking about. Accuracy is also hugely important, considering this is a rhythm game. Anyways, it is up to your own discretion whether something will help you or not, but really keep in mind that it's not about the hard maps, and don't rage over not being able to do it and continuously try to beat it. Move on and play a variety of songs.

If you try to go insanity first, you don't build a solid foundation for accurate movements and clicks. You basically are much more likely to start randomly missing, even on easier songs, and end getting frustrated. I admit that atama no taisou is out of my league still, because of those god damn squares. However, I don't sit there all there practicing those squares. Every once in a while I might go back and practice them, and I would realized that I've actually gotten better.

One thing that will probably be helpful is if you don't half-ass patterns. What I mean by this is for example, if you have a square, it's possible to move your cursor in a circular shape and click (somewhat randomly) and still be able to clear that square. This really doesn't help you learn the pattern better. It's much better to move your cursor directly to every note and try not to just "pass" it, but actually to "learn" it.

... Did I not state I'm looking for songs to build a foundation? Maybe that wasn't clear. I completely agree with your statement. I'm just wondering what songs I should be playing by giving you a vague idea of what I can play at the moment. If you have some songs that you think I should play daily(as if there is a list I should play a day.), please post them. Thank you. That's all I'm asking. I'm not asking, "What songs do I have to play do be a god?" Not it... Extremely wrong.

Thanks...

I also agree with winber1.
You only played 2 months and 5k play count, don't expect to do Big Black yet.
Just keep playing all kinds of maps. (Use no-fail when training)
Play fast streams. (finger speed)
Play slow streams. (single tap and accuracy)
For training high AR, use Hardrock on all hard-diffs.
Use Hidden on maps you can FC.
Here are some playing tips that might help:
1. Use full-area for tablet.
2. Dimm the backgrounds when playing Hardrock or Hidden.
3. Open edit-mode and test-play those hard parts in a map you have trouble reading.

Edit: Please refer to this post for some good stream training maps: p/1739245

darkmiz wrote:

I also agree with winber1.
You only played 2 months and 5k play count, don't expect to do Big Black yet.
Just keep playing all kinds of maps. (Use no-fail when training)
Play fast streams. (finger speed)
Play slow streams. (single tap and accuracy)
For training high AR, use Hardrock on all hard-diffs.
Use Hidden on maps you can FC.
Here are some playing tips that might help:
1. Use full-area for tablet.
2. Dimm the backgrounds when playing Hardrock or Hidden.
3. Open edit-mode and test-play those hard parts in a map you have trouble reading.

Edit: Please refer to this post for some good stream training maps: p/1739245

Thanks a bunch.
Only thing is that, I would like to know the benefits of switching to Full-area Tablet instead of portion. Also, how long did it take you to be able to beat some very fast BPM and AR songs? Example Freedom dive/Big Black.

MOR wrote:

winber1 wrote:

Everytime one of these "Advice Please" threads always either posting the exact same things as one in another thread some time ago, or just lists hard maps. Look here, bro, playing nonstop insane songs like big black, or kokou no sensei, or val0108 maps or other hard maps even if you can't do them is not going to help. You will improve, no doubt about it, but you are building skill on no foundation. You'd be surprised at your improvement from just playing songs that you can already get like 95% + accuracy with no mod by just either playing that song every once in a while or playing it with extra mods. Speed and and jumps aren't the only thing you should be thinking about. Accuracy is also hugely important, considering this is a rhythm game. Anyways, it is up to your own discretion whether something will help you or not, but really keep in mind that it's not about the hard maps, and don't rage over not being able to do it and continuously try to beat it. Move on and play a variety of songs.

If you try to go insanity first, you don't build a solid foundation for accurate movements and clicks. You basically are much more likely to start randomly missing, even on easier songs, and end getting frustrated. I admit that atama no taisou is out of my league still, because of those god damn squares. However, I don't sit there all there practicing those squares. Every once in a while I might go back and practice them, and I would realized that I've actually gotten better.

One thing that will probably be helpful is if you don't half-ass patterns. What I mean by this is for example, if you have a square, it's possible to move your cursor in a circular shape and click (somewhat randomly) and still be able to clear that square. This really doesn't help you learn the pattern better. It's much better to move your cursor directly to every note and try not to just "pass" it, but actually to "learn" it.

... Did I not state I'm looking for songs to build a foundation? Maybe that wasn't clear. I completely agree with your statement. I'm just wondering what songs I should be playing by giving you a vague idea of what I can play at the moment. If you have some songs that you think I should play daily(as if there is a list I should play a day.), please post them. Thank you. That's all I'm asking. I'm not asking, "What songs do I have to play do be a god?" Not it... Extremely wrong.

Thanks...

All people have been giving in this thread are hard songs, and you said "thanks!" That's just slightly hypocritical. You don't need a special song list to play everyday. And secondly, everyone is a little different. Squares/diamonds usually end up being a universal problem for everyone as I see it, but there are many other things people have trouble with that other don't. By playing a wide variety of songs, you just basically end up learning these patterns. Once you get quite pro, then there really aren't much many things where you can just play and improve unless you actually play those insane maps listed.

A foundation doesn't really require special songs to be honest. I didn't really actually explicitly say this, but I was trying to get at the point that you should just play your average everyday songs for improvement. Downloading recently ranked songs could be helpful as they have a decent amount of variety in them.

If you try to go insanity first, you don't build a solid foundation for accurate movements and clicks. You basically are much more likely to start randomly missing, even on easier songs, and end getting frustrated. I admit that atama no taisou is out of my league still, because of those god damn squares. However, I don't sit there all there practicing those squares. Every once in a while I might go back and practice them, and I would realized that I've actually gotten better.

One thing that will probably be helpful is if you don't half-ass patterns. What I mean by this is for example, if you have a square, it's possible to move your cursor in a circular shape and click (somewhat randomly) and still be able to clear that square. This really doesn't help you learn the pattern better. It's much better to move your cursor directly to every note and try not to just "pass" it, but actually to "learn" it.[/quote]

... Did I not state I'm looking for songs to build a foundation? Maybe that wasn't clear. I completely agree with your statement. I'm just wondering what songs I should be playing by giving you a vague idea of what I can play at the moment. If you have some songs that you think I should play daily(as if there is a list I should play a day.), please post them. Thank you. That's all I'm asking. I'm not asking, "What songs do I have to play do be a god?" Not it... Extremely wrong.

Thanks...[/quote]
All people have been giving in this thread are hard songs, and you said "thanks!" That's just slightly hypocritical. You don't need a special song list to play everyday. And secondly, everyone is a little different. Squares/diamonds usually end up being a universal problem for everyone as I see it, but there are many other things people have trouble with that other don't. By playing a wide variety of songs, you just basically end up learning these patterns. Once you get quite pro, then there really aren't much many things where you can just play and improve unless you actually play those insane maps listed.

A foundation doesn't really require special songs to be honest. I didn't really actually explicitly say this, but I was trying to get at the point that you should just play your average everyday songs for improvement. Downloading recently ranked songs could be helpful as they have a decent amount of variety in them.[/quote]

I say "thanks!" because I either add them to my list to play, or add them to my beat but got like 5-25 misses. Some I don't list at all because I don't see a point in them if another song I play has the same exact type of play through. *Hint-I already download the most recent ranked songs.

Also, the longer u play, the more maps u will know, either by finding them randomly, or by playing multi or whatever.

I would consider Songs like " Babylon", or "Aimai Elegy" very good maps to practice, however i don't think ANYONE even knows these maps.
As time goes by, u will get to know ur own favourite maps, that's only natural.
Everything else has already been said by others.

Oh, and btw, I'm no troll~

MOR wrote:

Thanks a bunch.
Only thing is that, I would like to know the benefits of switching to Full-area Tablet instead of portion. Also, how long did it take you to be able to beat some very fast BPM and AR songs? Example Freedom dive/Big Black.

You shouldn't aim for beating Freedom Dive atm... It's difficulty level in terms of streams is astronomicly high. Passing it is a lot harder than passing Big Black. Not even 10 people have passed it yet.


Anyways, regarding your questions:

The benefit of full area is your aim getting a lot more accurate. Playing with small HitCircles is nearly impossible with smaller areas and your jumps are way more inaccurate. Another benefit of full area is that following streams becomes way easier.

I managed to pass maps like holy shit it's rainbow dash or airman after about 15k plays which was ~half a year of playing the game for me.

@tom I would never manage that stuff, even if I followed your training patterns from the start

@winber +1

I still can't do Holy Shit it's Rainbow Dash and I got like 40k plays. I know some other players that can't do it with 80k+.

A conclusion I've reached after almost 2 years here, is that you can't say you can read something if you can't do it at all. If you get some random misses you can say that you are able to read it correctly, but if your play is full of misses/shit accuracy, then you are not really doing a good job at reading it. This does not apply to maps like Ascension to Heaven for example, or Mad Machine, since those are pretty much finger-fuck.

Reading a map means:

1- You understand what's going on perfectly. You always know what to hit next.
2- You are able to read each hit individually, instead of looking at the pattern.
3- You can easily figure out how the timing goes, even when you get weird 1/3s or 1/6s.

The Big Black is, in my opinion, hard to read because of it's patterns, and the fact that spacing is too big makes it hard to jump "your sight focus" from one slider to another. If you focus you are able to focus your vision on each hit, even during patterns, you'll realize how better your movements get.

Sounds to me like you have slow wrist/finger speed.

Try playing a whole bunch of maps (doesn't matter which) and pay close attention to the BPM. Everyone has a limit on how high their finger speed is. Mine would be 170bpm, because I can't really do long streams (20+) on faster maps than that. You single clicking speed should be higher than your streaming speed.

Also, since you are so new, you should try experimenting on alternating on every hit. Slvia and White Wolf both play like that and they are really good players. I'm under the impression that always alternating will give you an advantage over other people, even if the very best players (cookiezi) happen to be single clickers.

Purlpo wrote:

Sounds to me like you have slow wrist/finger speed.

Try playing a whole bunch of maps (doesn't matter which) and pay close attention to the BPM. Everyone has a limit on how high their finger speed is. Mine would be 170bpm, because I can't really do long streams (20+) on faster maps than that. You single clicking speed should be higher than your streaming speed.

Also, since you are so new, you should try experimenting on alternating on every hit. Slvia and White Wolf both play like that and they are really good players. I'm under the impression that always alternating will give you an advantage over other people, even if the very best players (cookiezi) happen to be single clickers.

White wolf don't alternate , he does it only in certain case.

MOR wrote:

darkmiz wrote:

I also agree with winber1.
You only played 2 months and 5k play count, don't expect to do Big Black yet.
Just keep playing all kinds of maps. (Use no-fail when training)
Play fast streams. (finger speed)
Play slow streams. (single tap and accuracy)
For training high AR, use Hardrock on all hard-diffs.
Use Hidden on maps you can FC.
Here are some playing tips that might help:
1. Use full-area for tablet.
2. Dimm the backgrounds when playing Hardrock or Hidden.
3. Open edit-mode and test-play those hard parts in a map you have trouble reading.

Edit: Please refer to this post for some good stream training maps: p/1739245

Thanks a bunch.
Only thing is that, I would like to know the benefits of switching to Full-area Tablet instead of portion. Also, how long did it take you to be able to beat some very fast BPM and AR songs? Example Freedom dive/Big Black.

I think it's funny in a sad way that he says "Thanks a bunch" to Darkmiz for giving him the same advice about what maps to play that everyone else gave him and got flamed for. Both Winber and I told you to download maps that you can play with decent accuracy and close to a full combo. Darkmiz adds some ad-hoc minor additions to that and you give him the "Thanks a bunch". Not to mention that when Winber tries to explain the obvious to you "play new ranked maps", you say that you're already doing this... Well that's just fine, then. You're doing all that you can. That doesn't mean you have to give us attitude over it and constantly repeat that you're looking for maps, which won't help you and were already explained to you, but then vacillate over to praising the same advice you put down.

Everyone knows I'm a generally easy going guy, but this kind of attitude that the OP is showing is just disrespectful. If you really want help from pros, and some good advice, manners will take you a long way.

/end

Purlpo wrote:

Sounds to me like you have slow wrist/finger speed.

Try playing a whole bunch of maps (doesn't matter which) and pay close attention to the BPM. Everyone has a limit on how high their finger speed is. Mine would be 170bpm, because I can't really do long streams (20+) on faster maps than that. You single clicking speed should be higher than your streaming speed.

Also, since you are so new, you should try experimenting on alternating on every hit. Slvia and White Wolf both play like that and they are really good players. I'm under the impression that always alternating will give you an advantage over other people, even if the very best players (cookiezi) happen to be single clickers.

Actually its not speed, I've played powermetal keyboard for around 6 years now. No issues there... I go up to speeds of 200-250bpm... It's really just hand eye coordination as well as dexterity. I'm looking for maps that I can play off and on to improve on. That's really my main focus.

PS. I wasn't disrespectful. You told me the obvious. "Play the game, get good!" That doesn't help one bit since I already do that. Please stop posting worthless comments in the forum. It doesn't help.

tom69- Thanks for your help. I enjoy watching your replays. ^^

Purlpo wrote:

Also, since you are so new, you should try experimenting on alternating on every hit. Slvia and White Wolf both play like that and they are really good players. I'm under the impression that always alternating will give you an advantage over other people, even if the very best players (cookiezi) happen to be single clickers.

Yeah, I recommend all new players use Silvia's alternating style. This way you can single-tap as fast as streaming because single-tap = streaming.

darkmiz wrote:

Purlpo wrote:

Also, since you are so new, you should try experimenting on alternating on every hit. Slvia and White Wolf both play like that and they are really good players. I'm under the impression that always alternating will give you an advantage over other people, even if the very best players (cookiezi) happen to be single clickers.

Yeah, I recommend all new players use Silvia's alternating style. This way you can single-tap as fast as streaming because single-tap = streaming.

Could you link me to a post that would teach me about it? Much appreciated.

darkmiz wrote:

Purlpo wrote:

Also, since you are so new, you should try experimenting on alternating on every hit. Slvia and White Wolf both play like that and they are really good players. I'm under the impression that always alternating will give you an advantage over other people, even if the very best players (cookiezi) happen to be single clickers.

Yeah, I recommend all new players use Silvia's alternating style. This way you can single-tap as fast as streaming because single-tap = streaming.

lol you talk like alternating style have no downsides , but that's not true , and in most of the case you can single tap with 1 finger faster as alternating because you can use your wirst

i can single tap about 240/250 1/2, that is equal to 120/125 alternating. i can stream about 180 bpm, that means i can alternate a lot faster than single tap.

Liutprando wrote:

lol you talk like alternating style have no downsides , but that's not true , and in most of the case you can single tap with 1 finger faster as alternating because you can use your wirst

I would really like to know weakness and advantages these playstyles over each other. After switch from full mouse I started altering everything (except some repeating patterns) just because I felt comfortable doing it this way. Should I learn single tap as well or train it to increase my altering speed? Or will it just delay me while trying to chose between two styles?sorry for offtopic.

i say stick with alternating, being fast at singletapping does not automaticly mean you are faster at alternating.

most of the good player don't need to alternate anyway o.o they just do it in really fast consecutive beats or in really fast slider o.o
But like in all the other places it's only a question of what you like the best , you should try both and then see

Pros:
1. Using both fingers is more relaxing than constantly using one finger.
2. You don't need to use your wrist. Just move your fingers like playing a piano.
3. No need to worry about slider breaks on consecutive/connected sliders. You can press one key before releasing the other.
4. You will be alternating or "streaming" every single note. Few people can single-tap above 140 bpm with one finger, and only by trying very hard. But most people can stream over 140 bpm with two fingers.
5. It's more stylish and fun.

Cons:
1. It's more difficult to master. Though some people (such as me) likes a challenge.
2. At first you may have worse accuracy than single-tappers. But you will gain more speed and endurance in the long run.

Just check out Silvia's videos and get an idea what you can do by alternating every note.

alternating has it's uses, but honestly, single-tapping really fast has much more progressive uses, at least at higher levels. I have begun to regret a bit that I have been lazy to try and single things that are like 270+. I now try doing that more these days, but meh, when I'm not warmed up, I don't have the motivation to always warm up and I just alternate a lot sometimes.

winber1 wrote:

alternating has it's uses, but honestly, single-tapping really fast has much more progressive uses, at least at higher levels. I have begun to regret a bit that I have been lazy to try and single things that are like 270+. I now try doing that more these days, but meh, when I'm not warmed up, I don't have the motivation to always warm up and I just alternate a lot sometimes.

what's wrong with alternating
it improves your singletap speed too as a side-effect

Aqo wrote:

winber1 wrote:

alternating has it's uses, but honestly, single-tapping really fast has much more progressive uses, at least at higher levels. I have begun to regret a bit that I have been lazy to try and single things that are like 270+. I now try doing that more these days, but meh, when I'm not warmed up, I don't have the motivation to always warm up and I just alternate a lot sometimes.

what's wrong with alternating
it improves your singletap speed too as a side-effect

No it doesn't. Alternating sadly doesn't put much strain on your fingers and as a consequence you don't gain a lot of stamina and speed for streams.
That's the main reasons that most alternaters can't stream fast / long (see silvia).

Tom69 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

what's wrong with alternating
it improves your singletap speed too as a side-effect

No it doesn't. Alternating sadly doesn't put much strain on your fingers and as a consequence you don't gain a lot of stamina and speed for streams.
That's the main reasons that most alternaters can't stream fast / long (see silvia).

While I see the truth in this (I alternate everything and suck at streaming), I do notice an improvement in my singletap speed from just alternating on fast maps. No warmup: singletap about 110~115. After warmup (alternating, without doing any singletap activity) on BPM210-280: singletap 130-135 (with each finger).

If you strain just one finger... won't that leave the other one behind? How does that work... are you supposed to swap the finger you're singletapping with on each break?

Aqo wrote:

If you strain just one finger... won't that leave the other one behind? How does that work... are you supposed to swap the finger you're singletapping with on each break?

Fast singletapping doesn't work with fingers but with your arm. Alternating won't train that at all since you're just moving your fingers.
In the end one finger is left behind though... just try to use your other finger as a main finger and you see it if you don't alternate. That's why I try to swap around quite frequently.

I actually started out single tapping 270 BPM, I always alternated, and I S'd one play maps like Carnival right after I started single tapping. I used to play a lot of 270~300 BPM when alternating though. I'd say it does help you a bit, either that or I was just good at that w/o practicing at all.

getting used for alternate clicking is really a big help

When I first started playing I played through all of the Haru renditions of the Touhou songs.

If you want a good map to practice jumps try: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4845 on James Difficulty (:

Hi! Well, I'm bad in this game, I can't understand how there are too many pros and they play so well... I don't know if this is helping you, but I think Winber1 is right. Don't rush, trying to play "a list of maps" every day and thinking that will make you play better result in having bad acc and no geting any perfomance points, because you can't get any if you don't FC. The only way I could get a better rank since the little time I am playing was using mods in easy/intermediate songs that I can play with full combo, and I practice some hard songs to try to learn streams. But most important, osu should be fun, and if it isn't, why should you play it?
Playing the songs you like is the best way to improve and, at same time, have a nice time. To get a lot of maps, you can download by torrents or just in multiplayer rooms. I recommend not to get angry when somebody tells you this and say that their comments are "worthless" if they don't give you a list of maps. I think that if they say that things, it's because they're trying to help you. But is just an opinion.

Sorry for my bad english! I speak spanish and writing in English is very hard for me.

Evanescense.