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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Montag, 11. September 2017 at 20:55:55

Artist: Shimotsuki Haruka, Nakae Mitsuki
Title: mirage
Tags: しちごさん。×ABSOLUTE CASTAWAY 753 Another Flower II 2 Cross bouquet M3-35 日山 尚 Hiyama Nao 戀伊江 梓 幾丹弥吹 Mir Kalibe
BPM: 101
Filesize: 13328kb
Play Time: 04:28
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Download: Shimotsuki Haruka, Nakae Mitsuki - mirage
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added the gds
will probably finish easy tomorrow
done

also reminder to clear up snapping stuff for
01:06:417 (1) - 01:25:427 (1) - 02:41:467 (1) - 03:00:477 (1) - 03:59:882 (1) -
and
01:15:922 (1,2) - 02:50:972 (1,2) -
seems like everyone on the set used different snapping for at least one of them
asking multiple people just tilted me more cause everyone seems to interpret it differently lol
+ set reasonable hp drain on all diffs instead of hp3
done, only mir's diff is still hp3 now

edit: got some more opinions on 01:15:922 (1,2) - 02:50:972 (1,2) - and seems like it should be 1/4, drums are just a bit off
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Shurelia wrote:
nic


i love this song and tried to map it some time ago.
tried.


Illusion
  • i'll have to admit i can't follow how your NC'ing works but maybe switch the NC on 01:19:932 (2) - instead since it has the stronger hitsound and spacing emphasis
  • 01:22:160 (1,2) - switch the nc on (2) since i think you now went back to NC'ing one the last word/syllable of the line and (1) is still part of otogibanashi
  • 01:35:526 (1) - the drop in spacing feels weird even if it didn't have a rly impactful sound. mb either move 01:35:377 (2) - up a bit to where the slider curves or continue the stacking of 01:34:858 (2,1) -


Mir's Extra
  • random nitpicking but why are the pink nc'd triangles in the intro uneven
  • 04:28:100 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - also random nitpicking but do you think there's a better way you can express the bsnap aside from just NCs. i thought it was 1/3 start to end L(
  • and also along with this ^ actually you're the only one using 1/6 on the end and everyone at 1/8


Easy
  • 00:45:625 (1) - remove NC for nc pattern consistency but assuming you're nc'ing this to highlight "mirage" maybe you could nc 02:20:675 (4) - as well

sry for rly short mod :(
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metadata
by the new but haven't launched new rc, there's something about metadata addressed like this:
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Different priority on the artist is adopted depending on the existence of a vocalist for a doujin. Circle name / CD alias overrides the vocalist for songs with vocals while circle name / CD alias overrides the composer for instrumental songs. If one or more staff member(s) for the song does not belong to the same circle, prioritize vocalist and composer instead.

since the album is out with the alias "753.×ABSOLUTE CASTAWAY", it's a collaboration between two artist groups.
imo I think it should be in the artist because they are all credited to every the songs in album.
(it's weird since the name "しちごさん。×ABSOLUTE CASTAWAY" still exists and they don't really specify which one is the correct one. Here)

There might be some reference, but it's been a while ago. I'm not quite sure about that so I'll just leave a comment about that here. You might require a metadata check for artist though.

Also, with the information provided above, please change the tag "753" into "753." (with an extra period.)
it's different because 753. is a group name.


easy
when you use the hitsound copier you just copied all the green lines in your low diffs. there are tons of volume change during one slider. that will possibly make hitsounds fucked up when the player disable the customs, though i don't think people will have their own hitsound with unsilenced sliderslide.wav...
  • 03:31:962 - might be a bit dumb or picky but imo starting a break right after the circle is weird. maybe drag it and make it start later


normal
  • 01:35:526 (1) - I can see the map is basically based on DS with various spacings, but the spacing is weird here. with the sv change the spacing got a little bit smaller, so i'd suggest you to make it larger. It might happen to some other points like 02:13:546 (1) - when the sv changed. It's minor, but somehow it affects the reading quite a bit.


hard
  • 00:06:714 (2,1) - why did you suddenly blast the spacing here when everything before this looks so normal lol
  • 01:16:516 (1) - because this is the first 1/8 repeat slider, it should be better if it has more impact on hitsounds (esp. that repeat arrow). the current one feels a bit inaudible
  • 02:13:249 (1) - though you do have sv change here, I don't think it deserves NC at all. there are tons of NC around here and may lead to misreading.


insane
  • 01:06:714 (2,1) - compare to the first time you use 1/6 for the song (00:42:952 (5,1) - ), the spacing feels quite out of place. maybe shrink it a bit and use bigger ones later, 01:16:219 (2,1) - like this feels quite good. (or do it in an opposite way, buff the first one more)
  • 03:19:486 (1,2,3,4) - lol what
  • 03:28:694 (6) - im actually expecting NC because it just switched into another circular pattern and the momentum becomes stronger here


kalibe


mir
  • 00:24:239 (1,3) - potential reverse arrow block. might need some more opinions on that.
  • 00:30:774 (5) - from all the patterns before (e.g. 00:27:209 (3,4) - ) it looks like a 1/2. it might not be a problem with the reaction level of players around this stage, but ffs it's not legit at all - it didn't follow any rules which has appeared or ready to appear, just a random stuff.
  • 00:38:496 (1) - 00:40:873 (1) - 00:48:001 (1) - 00:50:377 (1) - can I have some explanation why are the usage of extended sliders so weird? it feels like you're just switching two different properties and doing nothing special with that
  • 00:53:793 (5,6) - what a misleading 1/1 LOL jk
  • 01:16:813 (1,1,1,1) - You just don't need that much ncs when the changes are so minor and no one will notice that, the current ones are so messy with the colors and more stuff. same to all the other patterns like this
  • 01:45:031 - slow part. you can just do something creative like the beginning. symmetry, intuitive repeating, etc.
  • 01:56:912 (1,2) - again.
  • 02:12:952 (4,5,6,7,1) - tbh the curve pattern itself deserves a single nc. it's up to you.
  • 03:12:952 (1,2) - under the auto stack this pattern looks so ruined for some reason. better check the other ones.
  • 03:31:962 - thank god someone finally did this break trick



i might just stop here because my time doesn't allow me to mod the rest one diff
gl
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domSaur wrote:
Shurelia wrote:
nic


i love this song and tried to map it some time ago.
tried.


Illusion
  • i'll have to admit i can't follow how your NC'ing works but maybe switch the NC on 01:19:932 (2) - instead since it has the stronger hitsound and spacing emphasis think current works better with vocals, but I might consider this lol
  • 01:22:160 (1,2) - switch the nc on (2) since i think you now went back to NC'ing one the last word/syllable of the line and (1) is still part of otogibanashi then I'm pretty much forced to make 01:22:308 - a single note combo :/
  • 01:35:526 (1) - the drop in spacing feels weird even if it didn't have a rly impactful sound. mb either move 01:35:377 (2) - up a bit to where the slider curves or continue the stacking of 01:34:858 (2,1) - there is a big drop in intensity here, drums and string stop and it switches to piano



Easy
  • 00:45:625 (1) - remove NC for nc pattern consistency but assuming you're nc'ing this to highlight "mirage" maybe you could nc 02:20:675 (4) - as well fixed, also fixed some other nc inconsistencies

sry for rly short mod :(
g


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m4m. no kd thanks. but I need mod sp and it was helpful :eyes:


metadata
by the new but haven't launched new rc, there's something about metadata addressed like this:
Quote:
Different priority on the artist is adopted depending on the existence of a vocalist for a doujin. Circle name / CD alias overrides the vocalist for songs with vocals while circle name / CD alias overrides the composer for instrumental songs. If one or more staff member(s) for the song does not belong to the same circle, prioritize vocalist and composer instead.

since the album is out with the alias "753.×ABSOLUTE CASTAWAY", it's a collaboration between two artist groups.
imo I think it should be in the artist because they are all credited to every the songs in album.
(it's weird since the name "しちごさん。×ABSOLUTE CASTAWAY" still exists and they don't really specify which one is the correct one. Here)

There might be some reference, but it's been a while ago. I'm not quite sure about that so I'll just leave a comment about that here. You might require a metadata check for artist though.

Also, with the information provided above, please change the tag "753" into "753." (with an extra period.)
it's different because 753. is a group name.

yea not sure, but new metadata rc don't apply for now anyways and I really prefer the vocalist stuff which should still be okay. will message kwan about this


easy
when you use the hitsound copier you just copied all the green lines in your low diffs. there are tons of volume change during one slider. that will possibly make hitsounds fucked up when the player disable the customs, though i don't think people will have their own hitsound with unsilenced sliderslide.wav...
easy diffs are aimed at new players, these usually play with default skin and settings which means they will use beatmap hs

also the slide volume only changes when you change sampleset during a slider, which doesn't happen often


  • 03:31:962 - might be a bit dumb or picky but imo starting a break right after the circle is weird. maybe drag it and make it start later the hitsound here is kinda essential to me, I had a delayed break on top diff before but really disliked it


normal
  • 01:35:526 (1) - I can see the map is basically based on DS with various spacings, but the spacing is weird here. with the sv change the spacing got a little bit smaller, so i'd suggest you to make it larger. It might happen to some other points like 02:13:546 (1) - when the sv changed. It's minor, but somehow it affects the reading quite a bit. moved some things. It should be fine to be a bit harder to read cause there is an easy for actual beginners


hard
  • 00:06:714 (2,1) - why did you suddenly blast the spacing here when everything before this looks so normal lol fixed
  • 01:16:516 (1) - because this is the first 1/8 repeat slider, it should be better if it has more impact on hitsounds (esp. that repeat arrow). the current one feels a bit inaudible will think about this but seems okay to me
  • 02:13:249 (1) - though you do have sv change here, I don't think it deserves NC at all. there are tons of NC around here and may lead to misreading.looks really weird to me without it lol


insane
  • 01:06:714 (2,1) - compare to the first time you use 1/6 for the song (00:42:952 (5,1) - ), the spacing feels quite out of place. maybe shrink it a bit and use bigger ones later, 01:16:219 (2,1) - like this feels quite good. (or do it in an opposite way, buff the first one more) increased first a bit,
    but it should be fine cause intensity is so different
  • 03:19:486 (1,2,3,4) - lol what ? it's just a 150bpm stream introduced by a slider
  • 03:28:694 (6) - im actually expecting NC because it just switched into another circular pattern and the momentum becomes stronger here feels like it breaks the whole thing




i might just stop here because my time doesn't allow me to mod the rest one diff
gl


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nice map gl!!


thanks!

waiting for mir and kalibe now
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i love this song and tried to map it some time ago.
tried.

Mir's Extra
  • random nitpicking but why are the pink nc'd triangles in the intro uneven - because im gay
  • 04:28:100 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - also random nitpicking but do you think there's a better way you can express the bsnap aside from just NCs. i thought it was 1/3 start to end L(
  • and also along with this ^ actually you're the only one using 1/6 on the end and everyone at 1/8 - fixed


Nerova Riuz GX wrote:

mir
  • 00:24:239 (1,3) - potential reverse arrow block. might need some more opinions on that. - this is fine, there's enough time to see it
  • 00:30:774 (5) - from all the patterns before (e.g. 00:27:209 (3,4) - ) it looks like a 1/2. it might not be a problem with the reaction level of players around this stage, but ffs it's not legit at all - it didn't follow any rules which has appeared or ready to appear, just a random stuff.
  • 00:38:496 (1) - 00:40:873 (1) - 00:48:001 (1) - 00:50:377 (1) - can I have some explanation why are the usage of extended sliders so weird? it feels like you're just switching two different properties and doing nothing special with that - im just trying to make more of the vocals clickable, I don't find it very weird it plays fine imo since it doesn't skip any beats o.o
  • 00:53:793 (5,6) - what a misleading 1/1 LOL jk
  • 01:16:813 (1,1,1,1) - You just don't need that much ncs when the changes are so minor and no one will notice that, the current ones are so messy with the colors and more stuff. same to all the other patterns like this - kill me but i find the aesthetic nice :x
  • 01:45:031 - slow part. you can just do something creative like the beginning. symmetry, intuitive repeating, etc. - did somethings
  • 01:56:912 (1,2) - again.
  • 02:12:952 (4,5,6,7,1) - tbh the curve pattern itself deserves a single nc. it's up to you.
  • 03:12:952 (1,2) - under the auto stack this pattern looks so ruined for some reason. better check the other ones. - wow ugly, i think this is the only one x.x
  • 03:31:962 - thank god someone finally did this break trick - \o/


LMT wrote:

    mirmir

  • 00:42:358 (7,8) - 3/4 rhythm at a random place like this dilutes the emphasis of 3/4 rhythm on the vocals at downbeats. Consider making this a 1/1
  • 00:48:001 (1) - not sure what happens to the 3/4 rhythm here but then 00:49:486 (6,7) - 3/4 on a somewhat weaker vocal sound.
  • 01:08:348 (1,2) - such a huge jump on pretty weak sounds. Consider other ones too, I know you chose this design consistently throughout the map but I don't think they deserve that much spacing. Even a stack makes more sense to me.
  • 01:16:813 (1,1,1,1) - kinda big jump relative to the intensity of this slow down. Maybe this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8795843 ? adjacent beats are on the same side -> no jumps on slow down. Same thing for other kiais. - I nerfed that one but to me I think they deserve this spacing, it has more effect for the pause after than if it were just a stack, it would feel way too weak
  • 03:19:783 (1) - give this one a nudge to the right lol it's overlapping with the previous circle

nice map gl!!


ok done

https://pastebin.com/raw/fwYmqhxM

thanks guise

@Lasse pls edit my hp to a value that fits for you
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kalibe
  • consistency at the beginning :thinking: 👀
  • 01:06:714 (2,3) - why didn't you NC on 1/6 and do spam them on more 1/4 stuff instead did nc on all 1/6 parts
  • 01:18:001 (1,1) - I know you didn't totally block the arrow but covering 80%+ is so lame uwu changed
  • 01:34:783 (2,3,1) - though you made some consistency by that but what is this triangle for when it just suddenly comes out from nothing ok, fixed uh tho i actually liked it :c
  • 01:44:140 (1,2,3,1) - why did you completely stack the slider after aligning those circles, you didn't even do this at the beginning nice catch
  • 00:37:902 (1,2,3,4) - 02:03:447 (1,2,1,2) - 02:12:952 (1,2,1,2) - I feel like a typical NC error just happened on them yup
  • 02:52:457 (1,2) - unlike 01:17:407 (1,2) - , it doesn't gain much emphasizing on vocal with the same movement and similar spacing. did something in that way, hope it's good now




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    kalibe

  • 00:09:684 (3,1) - should probably have a jump here to emphasise the woosh sound, and it makes sense to do that for the transition to a different section. agree
  • 00:36:566 (3,4) - ctrl+g for vocal rhythm? It also matches the piano line. hm? i don't feel right doing this, also used the same rhythms at 00:27:061 (3,4) -
  • 01:16:962 (1,2,3,1) - these jumps are way too huge for a slow down, as if the other instruments never stopped. Have you tried something like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8795983 . Same thing for other kiais disagree, piano becomes pretty much intense comparing to music in chorus, so i emphasised it with more spacing ):
  • 01:34:783 (2,3,1) - such a strange triple shape in a very clean structure. Same thing for other triples that have this shape. ,
  • 04:27:803 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - this is a lot of spacing and actualy 1/4 beats aren't even clear. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8796056 this rhythm follows the actual beats more precisely. gonna keep it, climax of this song should be mapped in specific way, so i'd like to use stream with bigger ds use


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General
- 00:00:922 - This beat seems to be missing a whistle on every diff with it mapped.

Insane
- 01:15:477 (1) - 02:50:526 (1) - I'd probably say these don't needs NCs just to reduce the spam a little, but it's probably intentional /shrug

Kalibe's Insane
- 00:05:229 (1,1) - I'm not sure what the reason is for switching to sliders here, I'd say you may as well keep these as circles instead of changing the note density half way through the section.
- 04:23:942 - I'd probably aim to make this clickable for the vocal beat, and to transition to the triple a little better. May 04:23:645 could be a slider, or you could replace 04:23:793 (4) with two circles.

Mir's Extra
- 00:24:239 (1,3) - It's probably better to avoid overlapping the reverse arrow.
- 00:37:902 (5) - Might be better if stacked beneath slider 4 so that the 1/2 gap is easier to recognise.
- 00:38:199 (7,8) - Reducing the spacing here also doesn't really make sense to me, it's way too sudden without it really emphasising anything.
- 00:45:996 - May be worth muting this slider end.
- 01:11:764 (1) - Not really a fan of this slider, it kinda looks unbalanced, and seems to be way out of place compared to the rest of the map.
- 01:46:516 (1,2,3) - I'd say these may as well have the same spacing.
- 03:49:041 (2,3) - This stack is noticably off.

Illusion
- 03:41:764 (2,3) - 03:43:472 (3) etc - I can just about hear what these things are mapped to, but I feel they're so quiet and not that noticable that it would be better to use a less dense rhythm for this section to reflect the calmer music better.

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