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RADWIMPS - Katawaredoki

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Topic Starter
Monstrata
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on May 21, 2017 at 11:29:24 PM

Artist: RADWIMPS
Title: Katawaredoki
Source: 君の名は。
Tags: mitsuha taki your name irohas mugiwarasekai haruto haruto_aizawa kimo no na wa
BPM: 138
Filesize: 30014kb
Play Time: 02:36
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (2.45 stars, 236 notes)
  2. Irouto's Normal (1.64 stars, 202 notes)
  3. Twilight (3.33 stars, 277 notes)
Download: RADWIMPS - Katawaredoki
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Normal - Irohas + Haruto
Hard - Me
Twilight - Me

Keysound - Me
Timing - Me
Dannya
Ver gud map, fix blanket and give me kudos plz
Sonnyc
00:59:862 (1) - 01:07:234 (3) - combo inconsistency.
02:03:345 - 02:07:027 - 02:18:094 - Can I ask why these rhythms were empty? Similar rhythms like 02:10:703 - 02:14:421 - 02:21:804 - were expressed as an object in your map but I'm not really sure what made you such different rhythm choices.
Xinying
I made a fully keysounded map here t/574027 . That map is purely for practice purposes, if you want to use the keysounds just take them
Sarah Katsuki
this is pretty good monstra~ i can't wait for it to be done
UndeadCapulet
not sure how feasible this actually is, but i think it might be nice if the violinsounds were sliderwhistles so you could control volume better

awesome work on this, btw~
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Wops, I think I missed some low notes in the chorus. Like, just 6. Might have to add 6 more custom sets.
Aplefull
Am I the only one who is shocked because of those hitsounds? They are amazing you can literally play the map without music.
Topic Starter
Monstrata
So, here's the problem. I've used up way too much file-space on hitsounds, to the point where I literally cannot upload. I've removed the 6 violin hitsounds at the beginning of the map for now. I might add them back later, but they are the reason the map exceeds 30mb's so I will need to either not hitsound them, or figure out a way to cut the lengths in half (or quarters) and use them as a slider-slide hitsound. No idea how to do the latter though.
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Nevermind, figured it out. Hitsounding is finally done! 29.27mb just enough for one more difficulty, and potentially some more blank slider-slide hitsounds depending on rhythms in the lower diff.
Izzywing
What a great map. Love the way you used the violin as a slider-slide!
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Normal

01:24:302 - This needs to be a circle, otherwise there will be sampleset conflicts that will cause this to go over 30MB.

I like the Normal, but I think we might have to leave it without keysounds... maybe. I'll gather a few opinions first because the keysounding sounds a bit weird on some of the sliders where you skip notes and stuff, and I have no file capacity to assign slider tick hitsounds to the missing piano notes.
Kroytz
how do i mod this, this aint pp D:

Twilight
00:00:752 (1,2) - not really a big deal but this overlap could be nicer so it isn't so.. halved like it is. Changing the rotation of the first slider clockwise a bit should work I think

00:11:699 - volume should start decreasing after here no?

00:23:437 (1) - could get more emphasis if it were on 278;47 or even a bit lower works since previous slider doesn't actually involve movement to this circle currently.

00:38:234 (1) - This could probably get some emphasis too. 00:37:288 (2) - that object is a weaker key but spaced larger but your ending key is stronger and is spaced less so yeah I'm just wondering

01:02:185 (2) - I don't think overlap makes sense with this since that ending key separates itself much from the previous keys. There aren't really any other place it could go to, to establish a structure so I guess what you have it ok? just seems a bit weird since they have a strong contrast but are relative to each other as a stack

01:52:063 (5) - maybe turn this into slider since this would technically be a downbeat. (5) separates itself as bass from the trebles so its kinda weird mixing them both into one pattern. 01:51:107 (1,2,3,4) - are treble pattern and then 01:52:063 (5,6,7) - bass pattern make more sense with two sliders imo

01:59:416 (5,6,7) - this would probably be the same as before. at least if anything (7) should be a slider for consistency but it might make more sense to have 5 as slider and then the 6 after as another slider.

02:08:668 (1,2) - here too you NC it as downbeat but combining circles together is kinda weird idk. i'll stop pointing these out since it's clear you want this but eh, doesn't feel right to only have one clickable bass when the three are shared in the same chord line

02:22:993 (1,2,3,4,5) - why not just make this play as a complete star with (2) at the top and (3) on the bottom left?


Cool keysounds, I don't think it's very effective to combine keys into each hitsounding effect since if they were to be disabled it'd sound pretty messy. I don't believe you'd want to go through the efforts of mixing them together either but maybe for the future, just know that combining the keys together in say Audacity would do wonders since you can change the volumes of each particular chord to sound closer to the song. :) I like the progression in this diff too btw

Hard
00:49:269 (3,4) - feels weird since the trebles are the same design but the sounds are emphasized differently. I'd probably make 00:48:346 (1) - into two circles and turn 00:48:807 (2,3,4) - into some sort of 120 degree rotate design or maybe keep 00:48:807 (2) - unique apart from (3,4) so that the bass gets their moment to shine too instead of all four being counted as the same.

02:06:787 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - I don't really like this flow.. not sure what solution to help fit your designs but this turns too many times I feel. your other flows ahead feel better

Normal
00:37:764 (3) - stay consistent with 00:22:979 (3,1) - ?

00:41:900 (1,2,3) - nuu this overlap feels too much ;_; visually looking a it seems hard on the eye already idk if newbie player would find this comfortable to play alongside the music since this feels aggressive tbh

01:12:351 (2,3,4) - spacing seems kind of weird here. might be due to the offset bpm changes im not sure but it stands out quite a bit

01:20:645 (5) - maybe space this out too? since this is a very dominant sound should at least get some attention to it similar to how you did 01:22:264 (2,3) -

01:24:302 (3) - violin outta nowhere lol

01:48:363 (1,2,3) - maybe change this to 1/2 slider and 1/2 repeat slider on 01:48:817 - instead?

02:13:283 (2,3,4) - another one of those spacing things that stick out like a sore thumb. im pretty sure its because of timing related stuff but aghh its like right there lol

I'm not really too fond of the keysounds much in the normal because it does skip over some beats and sounds off at times, especially with the violins I feel.
Doormat
m4m, is ticket okay?

[General/Timing]
  1. 00:41:457 - is it just me or does this sound off with the piano? i think offset sounds better if this was on 00:41:427 but you might want to doublecheck
[Irouto]
  1. 00:08:077 (5) - is the begin of a new string phrase, so why not NC this?
  2. 00:44:644 (1,3,1) - i think it's better to remove NCs on 00:44:644 (1) - 00:46:513 (1) - and place NC on 00:45:608 (3) - instead because this is where the start of the new phrase is
  3. 00:48:346 (1,3) - 00:52:027 (1,3) - i think NCs should be swapped here for same reason as above. 00:50:219 (1) - should probably remove this NC too
  4. 01:24:302 (3) - violin keysounding really stands out here cause there's no violin sound here in the actual music until 01:25:277 - lol. even then none of the other violin sounds here are keysounded so this sticks out like a sore thumb
  5. 02:05:875 (1,3) - please learn to structure comboing based on phrasing lol. 02:07:736 (1) - seems unnecessary, 02:14:204 (4,1) - 02:16:969 (1,3) - should also be swapped, etc.
  6. 02:34:094 (2,1) - lol blanket
  7. sorry if this seems really nazi, but you really need to work on the comboing structure, cause it feels really erratic at some points.
[Hard]
  1. 00:00:752 (1,2,3,4,1) - not really a big deal, but i think if you extended these each by 1/2 so that they end on the red tick the held sound for the violin stands out more, since right now the keysounding sounds like it just abruptly ends right before the next note
  2. 00:49:269 (3,4) - i don't think this should be repeating the same pattern as 00:48:346 (1,2) - ; the start of a new phrase in the music begins on 00:49:269 - so i think the map would benefit from having a change in patterning to reflect that
  3. 00:40:979 - to 00:52:980 - just my opinion but i think structuring the NC more like 01:33:615 - 01:46:510 - would be more beneficial, for consistency's sake since these are essentially the same musically
  4. 01:47:425 (1) - this NC doesn't really seem all that necessary imo
  5. 02:18:571 (3,4) - i think you should Ctrl + G the rhythm here so that the circle comes before the 1/2 slider; 02:18:815 - sounds like it has more emphasis compared to 02:19:037 -
[Twilight]
  1. 00:00:752 (1,2,3,4,1) - same suggestion i gave for Hard about extending these by 1/2 to better reflect the held violin notes; purely optional, of course
  2. 01:55:016 (2,3,4) - are you sure about this wide angle in between 2->3->4? it feels really wide in comparison to the rest of the map, so it kind of feels off
  3. 02:18:571 (3,4) - same suggestion i gave for Hard about swapping the rhythm here so that the circle comes first
pretty song, i'd learn this on piano if i had time but i haven't touched a piano in forever lol
Haruto
i love the NC'ing in my normals, that makes me want to cut myself /jk

will edit this post to reply the mods also to send the distance snapping fix.

Kroytz wrote:

[Normal]
00:37:764 (3) - stay consistent with 00:22:979 (3,1) - ? sure, fixed

00:41:900 (1,2,3) - nuu this overlap feels too much ;_; visually looking a it seems hard on the eye already idk if newbie player would find this comfortable to play alongside the music since this feels aggressive tbh hmm, i think this is just fine, at least for me. might change it later if monstrata wants me to change it

01:12:351 (2,3,4) - spacing seems kind of weird here. might be due to the offset bpm changes im not sure but it stands out quite a bit ya fixed what monstrata said

01:20:645 (5) - maybe space this out too? since this is a very dominant sound should at least get some attention to it similar to how you did 01:22:264 (2,3) - sure for this one lol

01:24:302 (3) - violin outta nowhere lol lol idk how to fix

I'm not really too fond of the keysounds much in the normal because it does skip over some beats and sounds off at times, especially with the violins I feel.
Agreed, we might remove the keysounds in normal because of that. I'll let monstra to decide it since i am okay if its remove and use whistles instead

Doormat wrote:

[Irouto]
00:08:077 (5) - is the begin of a new string phrase, so why not NC this? fixed
00:44:644 (1,3,1) - i think it's better to remove NCs on 00:44:644 (1) - 00:46:513 (1) - and place NC on 00:45:608 (3) - instead because this is where the start of the new phrase is fixed
00:48:346 (1,3) - 00:52:027 (1,3) - i think NCs should be swapped here for same reason as above. 00:50:219 (1) - should probably remove this NC too fixed
01:24:302 (3) - violin keysounding really stands out here cause there's no violin sound here in the actual music until 01:25:277 - lol. even then none of the other violin sounds here are keysounded so this sticks out like a sore thumb will fix later lol or might ask irohas to fix it for me
sorry if this seems really nazi, but you really need to work on the comboing structure, cause it feels really erratic at some points. Personally, i dont really understand how to do NC'ing with this kind of song. Many red lines makes me feels like i should NC all of them. So yea, i can agree with what you said.
Thanks Kroytz and Doormat!

@Irohas : Please copy the code below to fix stuff from the mods :D

Also Monstra, i made the visual spacing looks consistent now with breaking the DS since thats what you actually want xD
Code
osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 19605
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.5
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 86183
DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16
TimelineZoom: 3.199999

[Metadata]
Title:Katawaredoki
TitleUnicode:かたわれ時
Artist:RADWIMPS
ArtistUnicode:RADWIMPS
Creator:Monstrata
Version:Irouto's Normal
Source:君の名は。
Tags:mitsuhta taki your name irohas mugiwarasekai haruto haruto_aizawa
BeatmapID:1296664
BeatmapSetID:608723

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:3
CircleSize:3.5
OverallDifficulty:3
ApproachRate:4.5
SliderMultiplier:0.7
SliderTickRate:1

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Topic Starter
Monstrata

Kroytz wrote:

how do i mod this, this aint pp D:

Twilight
00:00:752 (1,2) - not really a big deal but this overlap could be nicer so it isn't so.. halved like it is. Changing the rotation of the first slider clockwise a bit should work I think Ahh you're right. Fixed

00:11:699 - volume should start decreasing after here no? yes. Applied to other diffs.

00:23:437 (1) - could get more emphasis if it were on 278;47 or even a bit lower works since previous slider doesn't actually involve movement to this circle currently. I don't want to use visible jumps yet. it's too early, so the jumps here are mainly assuming players will play the sliders.

00:38:234 (1) - This could probably get some emphasis too. 00:37:288 (2) - that object is a weaker key but spaced larger but your ending key is stronger and is spaced less so yeah I'm just wondering Same logic. The jump isn't really necessary here imo. I don't want to respect emphasis yet when the song is so calm.

01:02:185 (2) - I don't think overlap makes sense with this since that ending key separates itself much from the previous keys. There aren't really any other place it could go to, to establish a structure so I guess what you have it ok? just seems a bit weird since they have a strong contrast but are relative to each other as a stack okay yea agree stacking doesn't play as nicely as I thought. Having some movement is better. Fixed

01:52:063 (5) - maybe turn this into slider since this would technically be a downbeat. (5) separates itself as bass from the trebles so its kinda weird mixing them both into one pattern. 01:51:107 (1,2,3,4) - are treble pattern and then 01:52:063 (5,6,7) - bass pattern make more sense with two sliders imo I like the idea of having 7 notes to click there instead of 5 for some rhythm variety.

01:59:416 (5,6,7) - this would probably be the same as before. at least if anything (7) should be a slider for consistency but it might make more sense to have 5 as slider and then the 6 after as another slider. Same reasoning ^. Having the extra clicks feels more fun to me when the song is very repetitive in its piano treatment.

02:08:668 (1,2) - here too you NC it as downbeat but combining circles together is kinda weird idk. i'll stop pointing these out since it's clear you want this but eh, doesn't feel right to only have one clickable bass when the three are shared in the same chord line The NC'ing corresponds with a shift from mapping predominantly the right hand piano notes to the left hand as the keysounding suggests. It's also a nice way to break the double square apttern into two components based on their flow (counterclockwise to clockwise)

02:22:993 (1,2,3,4,5) - why not just make this play as a complete star with (2) at the top and (3) on the bottom left? Ooo, Actually i like this idea a lot. Fixed.


Cool keysounds, I don't think it's very effective to combine keys into each hitsounding effect since if they were to be disabled it'd sound pretty messy. I don't believe you'd want to go through the efforts of mixing them together either but maybe for the future, just know that combining the keys together in say Audacity would do wonders since you can change the volumes of each particular chord to sound closer to the song. :) I like the progression in this diff too btwThanks. Yea in the future I will probably combine the keys instead of using separate files for each. I don't think it'll contribute to much of a shift in file size though. If anything it'll probably only cut down on the number of whistles and slider-slides I use, but I think i'll still end up using a similar number of claps and finishes. Anyways, something to consider if i ever keysound stuff again (maybe if I time Mitsuha's Theme someday).

Hard
00:49:269 (3,4) - feels weird since the trebles are the same design but the sounds are emphasized differently. I'd probably make 00:48:346 (1) - into two circles and turn 00:48:807 (2,3,4) - into some sort of 120 degree rotate design or maybe keep 00:48:807 (2) - unique apart from (3,4) so that the bass gets their moment to shine too instead of all four being counted as the same. Idk. I kinda get hat you mean, but I think the similar design is fine here. My problem with adding two circles is it causes the rhythm here to be too dense imo. Honestly, if not for the timing lines, I would have used a repeat slider instead, but that's unrankable here due to snapping sadly. If the red lines didn't make mapping so restrictive I'm sure I could have used a repeat so I think your concern isn't wrong, but this is my best option given what I have while maintaining density.

02:06:787 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - I don't really like this flow.. not sure what solution to help fit your designs but this turns too many times I feel. your other flows ahead feel better Ehh I have to disagree, i quite like this flow and the reliance on slider leniency especially in the transitions from 02:06:336 (2,1) - and 02:08:204 (5,1) -
Thanks Kroytz, excellent mod!
Topic Starter
Monstrata

Doormat wrote:

m4m, is ticket okay?

[General/Timing]
  1. 00:41:457 - is it just me or does this sound off with the piano? i think offset sounds better if this was on 00:41:427 but you might want to I'm glad you told me about this in game. I got the exact same offset as you so thats nice. Double checked by confirming it again through looking at the wavelengths, which was how I timed the map to begin with. I probably misread lol.doublecheck
[Hard]
  1. 00:00:752 (1,2,3,4,1) - not really a big deal, but i think if you extended these each by 1/2 so that they end on the red tick the held sound for the violin stands out more, since right now the keysounding sounds like it just abruptly ends right before the next note Explained it in Twilight diff better.
  2. 00:49:269 (3,4) - i don't think this should be repeating the same pattern as 00:48:346 (1,2) - ; the start of a new phrase in the music begins on 00:49:269 - so i think the map would benefit from having a change in patterning to reflect that I kinda get hat you mean, but I think the similar design is fine here. My problem with adding two circles is it causes the rhythm here to be too dense imo. Honestly, if not for the timing lines, I would have used a repeat slider instead, but that's unrankable here due to snapping sadly. If the red lines didn't make mapping so restrictive I'm sure I could have used a repeat so I think your concern isn't wrong, but this is my best option given what I have while maintaining density.
  3. 00:40:979 - to 00:52:980 - just my opinion but i think structuring the NC more like 01:33:615 - 01:46:510 - would be more beneficial, for consistency's sake since these are essentially the same musically Fixed all, yea.
  4. 01:47:425 (1) - this NC doesn't really seem all that necessary imo Sure, removed.
  5. 02:18:571 (3,4) - i think you should Ctrl + G the rhythm here so that the circle comes before the 1/2 slider; 02:18:815 - sounds like it has more emphasis compared to 02:19:037 - Actually I'd prefer to keep the rhythm here to highlight the violin note over the piano. But I made the change on Twilight instead to create a difficulty progression among other things I wrong there.
[Twilight]
  1. 00:00:752 (1,2,3,4,1) - same suggestion i gave for Hard about extending these by 1/2 to better reflect the held violin notes; purely optional, of course They were originally extended like that. I just felt it caused the map to feel too dense for the section. The 1/2 gap between releasing/clicking felt more like a 3/4 hold you'd find elsewhere just from the context of it being such a slow and calm section.
  2. 01:55:016 (2,3,4) - are you sure about this wide angle in between 2->3->4? it feels really wide in comparison to the rest of the map, so it kind of feels off I wanted to do something different from the sharp angles I always use, and this felt like a good enough opportunity to use this before the jumps got too big for wide angles to feel comfortable.
  3. 02:18:571 (3,4) - same suggestion i gave for Hard about swapping the rhythm here so that the circle comes first I really like this idea on this diff actually. I made it two circles instead of ctrl+g'ing to increase density. I'll see if this is also applicable to hard (sry im going highest > lowest so im replying to this before I read Hard lol).
pretty song, i'd learn this on piano if i had time but i haven't touched a piano in forever lol
Thanks for the mod and for checking timing! Yea ticket is fine ^^
Haruto
Replying for Iro since he gave me permission to fix.

Kroytz wrote:

[Normal]
01:48:363 (1,2,3) - maybe change this to 1/2 slider and 1/2 repeat slider on 01:48:817 - instead? I think its fine to put 2 notes here rather using reverse. Though the song on this part is like, "increasing its density" it should be good. So things should be a lil bit denser too. Also, putting reverse there would ruin the snapping btw :p

02:13:283 (2,3,4) - another one of those spacing things that stick out like a sore thumb. im pretty sure its because of timing related stuff but aghh its like right there lol ya fixed

Doormat wrote:

[Irouto]
02:05:875 (1,3) - please learn to structure comboing based on phrasing lol. 02:07:736 (1) - seems unnecessary, 02:14:204 (4,1) - 02:16:969 (1,3) - should also be swapped, etc.
02:34:094 (2,1) - lol blanket fixed all lo
basically, like what i said, we dont really know how to do NCing on this kind of song. I might discuss this with Monstra later on.
Anyways, thanks for the mods both of you!
Irouto, along with my fixes and iro's fixes
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Topic Starter
Monstrata
I can redo the NC'ing for you guys following my NC's for Hard/Insane. Let me know~
Battle
[Normal]
Consider adding more green lines to make the sliders ticks a bit quieter, some instances such as the slider on 02:34:094 - feel rather obnoxious with how loud the ticks are in comparison with the music
00:41:427 (4,1,2,3) - Yeah, I thought monstrata would talk to you about this but this pattern is really hard for beginners to read, considering it's the lowest difficulty, the speed at which 2,3 appear is most likely unreadable due to it being on an object that just disappeared (the slider), readjust this pattern however you feel like

[Hard]
00:28:023 (2,3) - lol blanket
01:55:723 (1,2,3,4) - This is a pretty tricky pattern, are you sure people can get this?
02:12:340 (7) - Is this supposed to be NC'd I don't really get ur NC-ing but you kept NC-ing like the last two notes of each thing
k I guess I don't really get what's going on with the NC for when the music picks up lol

[Twilight]
01:14:203 (2,3) - 01:20:645 (1,2) - I don't really like these two anti-jumps, for the most part they don't really seem to just go along with the general aesthetics of the section and just feel as if it's just a large contradiction to the aesthetics you're going for, like you might as well just stack it imo
02:19:506 (7,1) - This is like the one time you've broken away from having the low piano notes as the big jump so ya
02:23:205 (2,3) - Same, tbh the pentagon doesn't really fit in musically, I mean like 02:23:418 (3,4,5) - is basically like 02:12:340 (1,2,3) - yet they're both expressed so differently, while variety is a nice thing I'm p sure you can figure out a way to make there have variety without completely breaking away from the music like this pentagon here does lol
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