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Disable "accelerated/sudden stop" notes in osu! mania?

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Jawing
56 posts
Joined September 2010
Topic Starter
Jawing
Is there a way to disable "accelerated/sudden stop" notes in osu! mania?

It really bugs me as it creates inconsistency on how fast you should react to press these notes with the "accelerated" effect.

Particularly on this beatmap https://osu.ppy.sh/b/391999. Played Zillah's 4k Hard difficulty with 29 mania speed. As you can tell during the drop section of the map, some sections are accelerated.

I understand that it's mainly for the musical aesthetics of the Beatmap/SB and I think it's very cool and won't discredit any Beatmaps that are similar, although it would be nice to have an option to disable these effects. I'm a minimalist after all :)
ReTLoM
183 posts
Joined January 2013
ReTLoM
Thats part of your Skill :) SVs (Speed Variations) are simply a type of skill like Jumps, Chord-Streams, Inverts and so on. Just practice them and feel the rhythm of the song you should be able to play it :)

But im bad at it as well example :( 0:50-1:20
Jawing
56 posts
Joined September 2010
Topic Starter
Jawing
I don't mind universal speed variations (change in bpm).

Although I do not think visual speed variations are included in the calculation of the beatmap difficulty (someone tell me I'm wrong).
So essentially, you should be able to disable them.

I mean, imagine seeing a note a the top (at 40 mania speed) and it instantly goes to the bottom with 1 frame of travel. You'd have to memorize those parts O.O

I guess I'll deal with memorizing or so you call "feel the rhythm" for now :(
Tripletth
96 posts
Joined August 2014
Tripletth
Why not just use the editor to remove SV's?
Jawing
56 posts
Joined September 2010
Topic Starter
Jawing
That's the bruto force way. Of course, I could do that! Although I'd rather have a main menu option to disable it for all beatmaps :P
Caput Mortuum
1,854 posts
Joined March 2016
Caput Mortuum
It isn't calculated, however it is part of the map, and would be unfair to those who play with it. Also, some timing lines are needed for scroll speed normalization if the map has variable bpm. (map mainly in 100 bpm will need a 2x timing point if there is a change to 50 bpm, else it will scroll very slow)
I will agree if the option makes the map unranked.
abraker
Global Moderator
8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
I think this belongs in feature requests
What I could find: t/221859
CommandoBlack
258 posts
Joined September 2015
CommandoBlack
Its the mapper who chooses how the notes are placed & what speed they come down. If you don't like the way the mapper did it mention it as a mod or delete the map. Simple
Yyorshire
212 posts
Joined September 2015
Yyorshire
cmod please
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Yyorshire wrote:

cmod please
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

Jawing wrote:

I don't mind universal speed variations (change in bpm).

Although I do not think visual speed variations are included in the calculation of the beatmap difficulty (someone tell me I'm wrong).
So essentially, you should be able to disable them.

I mean, imagine seeing a note a the top (at 40 mania speed) and it instantly goes to the bottom with 1 frame of travel. You'd have to memorize those parts O.O

I guess I'll deal with memorizing or so you call "feel the rhythm" for now :(
Part of the problem is how do you figure out whether the mapper is using SVs to normalize a song with wandering BPM, vs someone using them purely for effect? It's technically possible but it's extremely difficult. Too difficult to be worth spending any time on.

Also, the map you linked as an example has some of the worst SVs of any ranked map except maybe the couple bad ones in Smooooch, and was ranked in the early days when hardly anyone knew anything about what made good SVs.

I used to hate speed changes when I first started playing rhythm games (I played stepmania and started using C speeds as soon as I discovered them). But when I switched to o2jam, that game only had speed multipliers, so any time the BPM changed, the scroll speed changed, and there was no way to disable that. I learned that there are 2 ways to deal with speed changes. Either learn to play them, or don't play the maps that have them. Now I love SVs, even though I play with FL mod, which makes dealing with SVs even harder.
Full Tablet
2,542 posts
Joined September 2011
Full Tablet
You can remove SVs by changing all green timing points to x1.0, and changing all BPMs in red timing points to the same value (without doing note re-snapping); the only problem is the bar line if you are using it in your skin.

If you don't care about hitsounds/keysounds, you can also just remove all timing points except the first red one to do it faster.

Implementing constant scroll speed as a mod is not hard, just make the client ignore both BPM changes and SV changes in the beatmap. If the player is using BPM scale, use the most common BPM in the map as the base speed.

That mod shouldn't be unranked, instead, when looking at leaderboards, there should be an option to easily filter mods out (already possible if you use a script for seeing the site, though a considerable amount of players don't have those scripts installed). Also, it shouldn't give a pp penalty, since the star rating system doesn't account for SV changes; instead, either the difficulty system gives a bonus to star rating when maps have difficult-to-read SV changes, or make a ranking system where the players are ranked in more than 1 dimension, including SV-reading (like osu!stats or pp+ in osu!standard).
Tripletth
96 posts
Joined August 2014
Tripletth

Full Tablet wrote:

That mod shouldn't be unranked, instead, when looking at leaderboards, there should be an option to easily filter mods out (already possible if you use a script for seeing the site, though a considerable amount of players don't have those scripts installed). Also, it shouldn't give a pp penalty, since the star rating system doesn't account for SV changes; instead, either the difficulty system gives a bonus to star rating when maps have difficult-to-read SV changes, or make a ranking system where the players are ranked in more than 1 dimension, including SV-reading (like osu!stats or pp+ in osu!standard).
This is objectively wrong.
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Just implement Cmod and make it unranked because we all know that the only files worth playing are unranked anyways so it makes 0 difference
johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999
SV is the other half of the map; some maps wouldn't be half as good if there was no SV.
Yyorshire
212 posts
Joined September 2015
Yyorshire
The reason mania needs a cmod isn't because SVs are a bad thing (although some maps could do without them) but it would help players familiarize themselves with the map they want to play, but can't because some SVs are near impossible to read without going into the editor and looking at where the notes are (i.e. Singularity). Cmod would alleviate the nuisance that this is all the while giving the player the experience and muscle memory of the map allowing for better performance when they decide to play with SVs.

And until SVs are incorporated into the SR system (which I doubt they will be), I don't believe the cmod should be ranked, as it's not how the map is intended to be played, although this is just my opinion.

Also unrank DT
Sandy Hoey
3,605 posts
Joined October 2015
Sandy Hoey
Feature request have their own forum, but please keep each post to one request
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Yyorshire wrote:

Also unrank DT
Keep DT ranked so people know how much of a joke the osu mania pp and star rating system is
johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999
Cmod would quickly become a clutch mod, as it so obviously is now. I believe this game is fine without cmod, if you want it that desperately go play stepmania.
Caput Mortuum
1,854 posts
Joined March 2016
Caput Mortuum
There's no need to unrank dt because that's not the main problem, but the whole ranking system in general.
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